Poll of the Day > Why are Canadian Truckers mad at Trudeau when BIDEN made it mandatory too???

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Didn't they hear that Biden also imposed foreign truckers who enter the us must be vaccinated in order to cross border travel that happened on Jan 22?

Trudeau's actual rule was if they are unvaccinated and cross border travel then they must be subjected to quarantine and be tested after crossing back..

Biden's rule is an outright ban on them actually travelling over the border unless they are vaccinated

So even if trudeau lifts that restriction on the anti-vaxxers, how are they gonna get across from the americn vaccine rule?

Never let facts stand in the way of a good story.

Thanks, Joe

A reminder that 90% of the trucking industry is vaccinated.

I'm pretty sure Hochul just lifted the mask mandate in NY because someone sat her down and explained how a dozen truckers could pretty much bring Manhattan to it's knees in 3 days and the only voter block in New York that matters to anybody is Manhattan.

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JimBeamMeUp posted...

a dozen truckers could pretty much bring Manhattan to it's knees in 3 days

More like 24 hours, if there isn't a constant stream of goods into NYC, they run out of food and other supplies within 24 hours. But that's assuming the NYPD wouldn't be all over that, and pull an Ottawa Police by allowing them to set up an encampment; gotta do what Toronto Police did and not allow them a foothold of any kind.

Ticket, Tag, Tow.

Saw a grown man weeping because the police seized about a dozen gerry cans with diesel from him and gave him a thousand dollar ticket he could not afford, I bet he booked a vaccination appointment by the end of day.

Ottawa should offer to set up a vaccine clinic specifically for them.

KodyKeir posted...

Ticket, Tag, Tow.

If a big rig locks it's airbrakes, it's not going anywhere. And just like in Canada, the wreckers know that those trucks are their business. You're gonna have a hard time finding rigs that'll have the balls to try it. Admittedly, it would be chaos but if I were Hochul I'd be shitting bricks worrying about a NY Honkening. It would not just fizzle out in a "free speech zone" the way Occupy did.

JimBeamMeUp posted...

If a big rig locks it's airbrakes, it's not going anywhere.

Yes and no, they have to disconnect the driveshaft, which takes about ten minutes, usually less. Tow operators don't like doing it, but they will.

JimBeamMeUp posted...

And just like in Canada, the wreckers know that those trucks are their business.

And that 90% of the industry is vaccinated, and the remaining ten percent have just voluntarily exited it by not getting their shot.

Besides, tow operators want to keep the Police on side, lest they be investigated for their ties to organized crime.

Metalsonic66 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/0/0/AAFUswAAC6KE.jpg

Fucking gold.

JimBeamMeUp posted...

If a big rig locks it's airbrakes, it's not going anywhere.

There are ways to remove vehicles that don't involve towing them. Cutting torches and dump trucks come to mind, in a pinch. Of course, you can't really use them afterwards, but that's why you generally shouldn't build barricades out of objects that your livelihood depends on.

JimBeamMeUp posted...

And just like in Canada, the wreckers know that those trucks are their business.

You're grossly overestimating how much of the industry has sided with these idiots. Most companies have actively distanced themselves from it, including firing any of their employees that are involved. Removing trucks that are involved in literal terrorist attacks generally isn't going to hurt their ability to be hired by anyone except whichever operator owns the truck in question, who should really be in jail for being a terrorist and therefore isn't exactly commercially significant.

Even on the off chance they do end up ever working again, a trucker would have to be exceptionally stupid to refuse a tow that they need just because they're butthurt that the company in question towed their truck before. That would cost them an enormous amount of potential work time, and probably whatever contract they had because of how much company time they're wasting.

There are a couple of people on twitter that are looking up the ownership of the trucks involved and publicly naming and shaming their corporate owners and affiliates. I could see the corporate owners declaring the trucks "stolen" and in need of recovery.

adjl posted...

exceptionally stupid to refuse a tow

Especially since if the police order the truck to be hooked up, it's getting hooked up. Though I think the other user was trying to say that the tow operators should side with the small fringe group that has quit their jobs en-masse because they are afraid of needle with a smaller gauge then the one used to give them their piercings and tattoos.

I would not want to be the tow operator refusing to follow a lawful order to do their job, they will loose their operators license.

KodyKeir posted...

There are a couple of people on twitter that are looking up the ownership of the trucks involved and publicly naming and shaming their corporate owners and affiliates. I could see the corporate owners declaring the trucks "stolen" and in need of recovery.

There's a whole site dedicated to doing so. Most companies have responded with either "The employee responsible has been fired and ordered to return their truck" or "They're an independent owner-operator that's put our logo on their truck, so even though we disagree with them, there's not much we can do." At least one got mad at the site, presumably because it's owned by somebody that agrees with the protests, but that's to be expected.

adjl posted...

literal terrorist attacks

You misspelled "protest" by several words.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1334184644707758080?t=Fd2bAoYWd_UetJ6qcV9urg&s=19

Workers of the world, unite!

Oh no, not like that!

The double standard with the Honkening vs the BLM "mostly peaceful protests" is staggering.

JimBeamMeUp posted...

The double standard with the Honkening vs the BLM "mostly peaceful protests" is staggering.

Self aware wolf.

Compare apples to apples here; the difference between how the police have mollycoddled the white supremacists vs. the response to any first nation exercising their treaty rights:

No pepper spray, no rubber bullets, no beanbag rounds, no water cannons, no snipers, no attack dogs, no billy clubs, no kettling. They have even allowed them to set up an encampment with semi permanent structures, meanwhile they call in the bull dozers if so much as a tent goes up in a public park.

Their literal demand is the overthrow of the government where they take control of the country. And still kiddy gloves.

One of the self proclaimed leaders is a former captain in the Canadian armed forces, and he doesn't seem to understand that he can still face a courts marital and loose the comfy pension that allows him to be a "professional protestor" (read: Putin's Puppet)

Have they actually done anything white supremacist-y? Last I heard, they actively expelled some people who tried it.

Anyways, maybe because they're Canadian? They can't really do much about Biden as they're not US citizens and, even if they could, their own nation would come first logically. Maybe, if they succeed, they'll go after Biden.

Unbridled9 posted...

Have they actually done anything white supremacist-y? Last I heard, they actively expelled some people who tried it.

You mean outside of all the flags and signs?

Jen0125 posted...

You mean outside of all the flags and signs?

What flags and signs are the truckers holding?

At this point I simply don't care anymore regardless. Seems like half the world is 'white supremacist' and about to go goosestepping down the city streets if the media/twitter is to be believed. So I don't really care anymore about the label. Been way to over-applied.

Jen0125 posted...

You mean outside of all the flags and signs?

And that group shouting and proud when asked if there were any?

Unbridled9 posted...

What flags and signs are the truckers holding?

Google is a thing. You can see any number of photos and videos of them with white supremacist imagery.

It's very nice that you have the privilege to ignore white supremacy because you don't want to acknowledge it. It must be nice.

Unbridled9 posted...

What flags and signs are the truckers holding?

At this point I simply don't care anymore regardless. Seems like half the world is 'white supremacist' and about to go goosestepping down the city streets if the media/twitter is to be believed. So I don't really care anymore about the label. Been way to over-applied.

Im on your side, man. Im so tired of people being offended by swastikas and white supremacy. I honestly cant name a single time that those two things hurt anyone. You should always have the freedom to promote the genocide of people and draw Nazi emblems in your nations flag.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/4/3/AALv4zAAC6Sj.jpg

Hopefully you can tell thats sarcasm, but I suspect youre not the genius you think you are since you cant even look up basic shit.

Jen0125 posted...

Google is a thing. You can see any number of photos and videos of them with white supremacist imagery.

It's very nice that you have the privilege to ignore white supremacy because you don't want to acknowledge it. It must be nice.

More like UnbridledNein amirite

Cacciato posted...

More like UnbridledNein amirite

Lmao

Cacciato posted...

More like UnbridledNein amirite

Yea... No. I have no love for the nazi's and outright despise them and everything they stood for. I got nazi bullet holes in my family tree (lost several members to the camps). The moment anyone I meet advocates for it is the moment they get kicked out and I lose a friend. If you persist for even a second longer in this I'm slapping you on ignore without a second thought.

Im on your side, man. Im so tired of people being offended by swastikas and white supremacy. I honestly cant name a single time that those two things hurt anyone. You should always have the freedom to promote the genocide of people and draw Nazi emblems in your nations flag.

Why not? They have freedom of speech and, as disgusting as I find it, they're allowed to say it. I also find cannibalism morally reprehensible and a crime against everything human, yet people still make shows and movies about it (like that Hannibal movie and arguably every vampire movie ever) and I don't think it should be banned. If it were up to 'my morals' I'd be banning stuff like Satanism and what-not, but my belief in freedom of speech and religion is greater than that. As horrific as these things sound, they should be allowed to say them.

However, I just don't care anymore about the label 'white supremacist'. It gets applied to everything even remotely not in favor of the left wing now-a-days. I just don't care anymore.

Unbridled9 posted...

Yea... No. I have no love for the nazi's and outright despise them and everything they stood for. I got nazi bullet holes in my family tree (lost several members to the camps). The moment anyone I meet advocates for it is the moment they get kicked out and I lose a friend. If you persist for even a second longer in this I'm slapping you on ignore without a second thought.

Why not? They have freedom of speech and, as disgusting as I find it, they're allowed to say it. I also find cannibalism morally reprehensible and a crime against everything human, yet people still make shows and movies about it (like that Hannibal movie and arguably every vampire movie ever) and I don't think it should be banned. If it were up to 'my morals' I'd be banning stuff like Satanism and what-not, but my belief in freedom of speech and religion is greater than that. As horrific as these things sound, they should be allowed to say them.

However, I just don't care anymore about the label 'white supremacist'. It gets applied to everything even remotely not in favor of the left wing now-a-days. I just don't care anymore.

Just going to say that the thing that allowed the Nazis to so easily rise to power in Germany was people allowing them to rise unchallenged.

Honestly, its disgusting that you would use dead Holocaust victims to promote you being against Nazis, meanwhile, no reason to stand up to people with shared ideology because freedom of speech. You are spineless and your ancestors would be disgusted by your response.

Unbridled9 posted...

Why not? They have freedom of speech and, as disgusting as I find it, they're allowed to say it.

Nazi's are like dogs with rabies, they will infect and kill others if they are not put down.

But you like your tax cuts, so you'll stick your fingers in your ears and pretend the modern conservative movement is not run by Nationalists and claim it's a "vast left wing conspiracy" to steal your freedoms.

Unbridled9 posted...

I got nazi bullet holes in my family tree (lost several members to the camps)

And that's what makes your hypocrisy so disgusting, you know first hand the evil their ideology leads to.

kangolcone posted...

Just going to say that the thing that allowed the Nazis to so easily rise to power in Germany was people allowing them to rise unchallenged.

Honestly, its disgusting that you would use dead Holocaust victims to promote you being against Nazis, meanwhile, no reason to stand up to people with shared ideology because freedom of speech. You are spineless and your ancestors would be disgusted by your response.

Who says I 'don't stand up to them'? I kick them out of my friend groups and, the moment someone expresses such a belief, I intend to challenge and destroy that heinous ideology. That doesn't mean I think the freedom to speech should be banned.

Also, if you SERIOUSLY are arguing people shouldn't be allowed to speak their views because it MIGHT lead to nazi's, shouldn't we ALSO ban anyone advocating for communism and reading Marx because of the horrors IT lead to as well? It goes both ways after all.

Also, if you REALLY hate what the Nazi's did, are you standing up to, say, China and what it's doing right now with it's minority groups? I am. I've been warning everyone I know about what they've been doing to both ethnic and religious minorities because it's unacceptable and outright horrifying (things like forced organ harvesting).

Finally, I IMMENSELY disagree with what you said, because part of the things the Nazi's did was make it so you COULDN'T speak out against the party. I'd say championing the right to be able to speak out against the government, or speak out in general, is what my family would have wanted. If only so that word of the horrors that the government was inflicting upon them could spread.

kangolcone posted...

Honestly, its disgusting that you would use dead Holocaust victims to promote you being against Nazis, meanwhile, no reason to stand up to people with shared ideology because freedom of speech. You are spineless and your ancestors would be disgusted by your response.

Unbridled9 posted...

Who says I 'don't stand up to them'? I kick them out of my friend groups and, the moment someone expresses such a belief, I intend to challenge and destroy that heinous ideology. That doesn't mean I think the freedom to speech should be banned.

Also, if you SERIOUSLY are arguing people shouldn't be allowed to speak their views because it MIGHT lead to nazi's, shouldn't we ALSO ban anyone advocating for communism and reading Marx because of the horrors IT lead to as well? It goes both ways after all.

Also, if you REALLY hate what the Nazi's did, are you standing up to, say, China and what it's doing right now with it's minority groups? I am. I've been warning everyone I know about what they've been doing to both ethnic and religious minorities because it's unacceptable and outright horrifying (things like forced organ harvesting).

Finally, I IMMENSELY disagree with what you said, because part of the things the Nazi's did was make it so you COULDN'T speak out against the party. I'd say championing the right to be able to speak out against the government, or speak out in general, is what my family would have wanted. If only so that word of the horrors that the government was inflicting upon them could spread.

Except we have already passed the "leading to" stage. These fuckers are Nazis and you are too if you support them.

Arcturusisnow posted...

Except we have already passed the "leading to" stage. These fuckers are Nazis and you are too if you support them.

I support the right to free speech. I would never support a nazi.

So, the convoys are idiots and blah blah blah, but ducky, is it really that hard for you to wrap your nugget around canadians going off on a Canadian politician? I get that US politics is pretty central to the news cycle in just about every country around the world, but people usually do care about their own country's too.

Not that these idiot "truckers" actually care or anything

Unbridled9 posted...

Who says I 'don't stand up to them'?

Unbridled9 posted...

However, I just don't care anymore about the label 'white supremacist'. It gets applied to everything even remotely not in favor of the left wing now-a-days. I just don't care anymore.

Who said it? You did.

Who said it? You did.

I don't care about the label of white supremacy anymore but will stand up to anyone expressing said ideology? I don't see how that conflicts. One is a complaint about over-application of a label on basically anyone who doesn't agree with a very specific left-wing ideology that's also being used to nullify any discussion that can be had on a subject while another is a statement that I will oppose anyone who espouses certain views. I.E. the logical conclusion is that I will oppose anyone who actually espouses said viewpoints but no longer care about a specific label due to over-application of it. Hell, you've got people here accusing ME of being a nazi sympathizer because I value freedom of speech extremely highly. I fully get that people will say disgusting things with it, but I think they should have the right to say it. Especially since the banning of this sort of thing can easily be a slippery slope. Who gets to define what speech is and isn't allowed? What happens when they define something YOU advocate for as 'hate speech'? What even qualifies as it anymore? It feels like I could say 'I like tacos' and get accused of appropriating Mexican culture and white supremacy.

Unbridled9 posted...

I support the right to free speech. I would never support a nazi.

But you give its shared ideology white supremacy a pass because you think its overused. Good stuff.

You didnt once see me attack their right to say what they said, not advocate for government censorship. However, you have routinely in this topic expressed that you are fine with what people who share an ideology and their actions. I dont wait for them to pop up in my friend groups (btw, either you have a friend group that includes multiple Nazis or this is a fictional account). If actual Nazis are on one side, Im against that side and will stand up to them instead of pretending its a free speech issue. They CAN say whatever they want. Doesnt mean you have to defend it and what they are saying.

Unbridled9 posted...

I don't care about the label of white supremacy anymore but will stand up to anyone expressing said ideology? I don't see how that conflicts.

Unbridled9 posted...

What flags and signs are the truckers holding?

Except you don't stand up to them, you actively pretend what you are seeing is not happening and then defend them under the guise of "Free Speech" forgetting you are not free from the consequences of said speech.

If you ally with the modern conservative movement, know this: Former Prime Minister and White Nationalist, Stephen Harper, has spent his decade out of office helping to elect like minded nationalist conservatives across the globe into positions of power as part of his "Unite the Right" movement and the International Democrat Union. Behind the thin veneer of the friendly smile and the robotic politeness, Stephen has forever tied the conservative movement to the insidious hatred of Nazi ideology.

The take away for conservatives who actually despise white nationalist ideology; they are already in the tent with you, you let them in and stand with them, balls in your court on how you want to be viewed.

Full Throttle posted...

Didn't they hear that Biden also imposed foreign truckers who enter the us must be vaccinated in order to cross border travel that happened on Jan 22?

...because one world leader can push for another to make changes?

jfc, Ducky, do you understand what diplomacy is?

BYPASS...

Never let facts stand in the way of a good story.

Never let a lack of understanding get in the way of making a pithy-sounding comment.

adjl posted...

Removing trucks that are involved in literal terrorist attacks generally isn't going to hurt their ability to be hired by anyone except whichever operator owns the truck in question, who should really be in jail for being a terrorist and therefore isn't exactly commercially significant.

jfc, you heard it here, folks -- the guy who calls people burning down buildings (some with cops right in them, who were blocked from getting out) "protestors" calls people parking their trucks in protest "terrorists." I mean, jfc.

Unbridled9 posted...

One is a complaint about over-application of a label on basically anyone who doesn't agree with a very specific left-wing ideology that's also being used to nullify any discussion that can be had on a subject

Yeah, which makes it outrageous that people defend the the overuse of those claims... until you realize those individuals are ALSO doing it with the same malicious intentions as the people misusing it.

JimBeamMeUp posted...

You misspelled "protest" by several words.

No, I did not. This is not an attempt to call attention to an issue and make their voices known. This is an attempt to coerce political change by hurting as many people as they can, including disrupting commerce and logistics (the fundamental basis of the convoy was "we're not going to deliver your food anymore if you don't give us what you want," which didn't come to fruition because this is such a tiny minority of truckers), torturing everyone within earshot, and physically assaulting people that disagree with them. By definition, that is terrorism.

And before you say it, yes, burning down cities to convince police to stop murdering black people is also terrorism. That was not, however, something that the vast majority of BLM protesters participated in, nor was it in any way the core goal of the protests. I won't go so far as to say that none of the people being violent were actually protesting, but those that weren't just troublemakers taking advantage of the chaos of large crowds to cause trouble (or false flags, of which there were several documented instances) were a tiny fringe minority that do not represent the movement as a whole. By contrast, while I'm happy to accept the claim that most of the protesters here are not Nazis (though the organizers are, which calls that into question) and aren't pooping on people's lawns, the fact that the protest is designed to coerce change by engineering a logistical crisis means it is fundamentally terrorism. That means everyone participating in it is a terrorist. That's the key difference between this and BLM.

Unbridled9 posted...

Hell, you've got people here accusing ME of being a nazi sympathizer because I value freedom of speech extremely highly. I fully get that people will say disgusting things with it, but I think they should have the right to say it.

The thing is, there's a ton of middle ground between "it's legal for you to say these things" and "I'm not going to do anything to challenge you if you say these things." There are countless ways to shut down people that are saying disgusting things that don't involve throwing them in jail. Ignoring white supremacists in action and saying things like "everything counts as white supremacy these days" is the opposite of that.

Unbridled9 posted...

Especially since the banning of this sort of thing can easily be a slippery slope. Who gets to define what speech is and isn't allowed?

Most countries that aren't the US (including Canada) have some sort of laws establishing hate speech as an exception to freedom of expression, but as much as Americans love to whine about "slippery slopes," it's pretty rarely a problem. The laws are usually very clearly defined (in Canada's case, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms outlines 14 classes upon which it's illegal to discriminate against people, and something only counts as hate speech if it falls into one of those) and are generally only applied in particularly egregious cases.

Unbridled9 posted...

What happens when they define something YOU advocate for as 'hate speech'?

Then I reconsider why I'm advocating for it, and if I decide that it's something that does need to be said, I advocate for that definition to be reconsidered. If there's an argument to be made, make it. Defend the speech whose freedom is under attack at a personal level, not by falling back on a lazy "you shouldn't attack this because no speech should be attacked."

Unbridled9 posted...

What even qualifies as it anymore? It feels like I could say 'I like tacos' and get accused of appropriating Mexican culture and white supremacy.

Not outside of the most absurd tumblr circles. This kind of hyperbolic persecution complex really isn't doing your point any favours, I'm afraid.

According to adjl you have to have the same political beliefs as him to be a good protester and not a terrorist.

The_Viscount posted...

jfc, you heard it here, folks -- the guy who calls people burning down buildings (some with cops right in them, who were blocked from getting out) "protestors" calls people parking their trucks in protest "terrorists." I mean, jfc.

Why do you insist on claiming that I've said things I have never said? Is your desperate addiction to whataboutism so uncontrollable that you feel the need to make up outright lies to feed it? Because you do this a lot and you have never once been able to rise to my challenge of citing the things you claim I have said.

And as much as you want to dismiss it as "just parking a truck," the context you cherrypicked that quote from involved parking trucks across multiple major roads for the sake of engineering a supply crisis to force political change. Put that context back in, and yes, that is absolutely terrorism. Hell, that's an act of war. It's called a siege, and it's been a pretty common strategy for attacking armies to use for about as long as defensive structures have been a thing.

MartianManchild posted...

According to adjl you have to have the same political beliefs as him to be a good protester and not a terrorist.

adjl posted...

burning down cities to convince police to stop murdering black people is also terrorism.

Not much for reading, are you?

The_Viscount posted...

people parking their trucks in protest "terrorists." I mean, jfc.

Good Lordie

Unbridled9 posted...

If you persist for even a second longer in this I'm slapping you on ignore without a second thought.

I bet your favorite football team is the Forty Neiners, you fuckin Nazi-defending goof.

https://twitter.com/DavidHamer_1951/status/1491741740751114244

My government and security sources do not agree. What's happening in Ottawa, they were clear, is two separate events happening in tandem: there is a broadly non-violent (to date) group of Canadians with assorted COVID-relates gripes, ranging from the somewhat justified to totally frickin' insane. But that larger group, which has knocked Ottawa and too many of our leaders into what my colleague Jen Gerson so perfectly described as "stun-fucked stasis," is now providing a kind of (mostly) unwitting cover for a cadre of seasoned street brawlers whose primary goal is to further erode the legitimacy of the state - not just the city of Ottawa, or Ontario or Canada, but of democracies generally.

Because it needs to be said for the people at the back of the room

KodyKeir posted...

https://twitter.com/DavidHamer_1951/status/1491741740751114244

Because it needs to be said for the people at the back of the room

proof?

KodyKeir posted...

Stephen has forever tied the conservative movement to the insidious hatred of Nazi ideology.

evidence?

Wanded posted...

proof?

In the link. Mr. Gurney is Ottawa area reporter Matt Gurney if you want to ask him directly on his sourcing.

Wanded posted...

evidence?

https://stopracism.ca/content/stephen-harpers-northern-foundation

KodyKeir posted...

In the link. Mr. Gurney is Ottawa area reporter Matt Gurney if you want to ask him directly on his sourcing.

https://stopracism.ca/content/stephen-harpers-northern-foundation

a reporter isn't proof, i asked him on twitter, he isn't answering me.
i read the link you brought, i still don't see evidence for that claim, can you help me out by being a little more specific?

Wanded posted...

a reporter isn't proof

Oh, right. You're the daily wire person.

Also, that sig. Do you fight antisemitism, or do you stand with an apartheid state? Pick a lane.