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HornedLion
01/23/22 10:37:05 AM
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Is this person a racist?


Lets pretend I know guy. And he loves all people. Judges everyone by their character but not the color of their skin. But lets say he manages a sales team, and every single time his team has to deal with a certain group of people they waste their time. Constantly trying to haggle the prices, which are set by corporate, down to an obscene price. Theyll also spend HOURS trying to get you to waive a fee, which everyone pays and theres no way around it. The fee isnt even expensive, especially when you compare it to the amount of time theyre spending trying to not pay it.

So anyway, pretend that youre this guy and you dont hate them just rather not do business with them. If he saw one choking hed rush over and perform the Heimlich. If he saw them drowning, hed swim over and rescue them. But when it comes to money he really rather stay the fuck away from them.

Not just when hes the one selling stuff either. This guy loves their food. Its exotic and spices are used well. But when he orders their chicken dish he gets only 6 small ass pieces of chicken that are the same size as casino dice. And the dish is $20. 6 dice of chicken and some rice for $20!? Wtf.

Its so bad that hes done research on the matter and it turns out that this way of being is seen as cunning in their culture and is actually praised. But this is Merica!

Anyway, is this guy a racist?

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faramir77
01/23/22 10:58:31 AM
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smol penor

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IronBornCorps
01/23/22 11:11:29 AM
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Does this guy also hate when he calls tech support and it's the same accent of this group of people?

Yes, it's racism, but it's not overt. It's difficult to be regularly exposed to a situation where there is a clash in culture involving trade and not develop some sort of bias. Especially is the clash is the primary exposure to the other culture. Still it should be recognized for what it is.
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HornedLion
01/23/22 11:31:47 AM
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IronBornCorps posted...
Does this guy also hate when he calls tech support and it's the same accent of this group of people?

Yes, it's racism, but it's not overt. It's difficult to be regularly exposed to a situation where there is a clash in culture involving trade and not develop some sort of bias. Especially is the clash is the primary exposure to the other culture. Still it should be recognized for what it is.

You are either A) Familiar with this person or B) You are well acquainted being served 6 sad little cubes of chicken.

But I asked them, and they said their hatred doesnt activate on tech support calls. Only in situations where he is at risk of having his time or money wasted.


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Dikitain
01/23/22 11:38:20 AM
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I think this is a good example of "everyone is racist whether they want to admit it or not". The difference being that you have to distinguish between bad racism and just inherit racism that you can't really change.

For example, I work with a lot of people from India (given I am in tech). Obviously due to the fact that language is not their first language we both have to struggle a bit to understand each other. I can't talk in my usual fast, mumbling tone that I would normally talk in. I also have to listen closely to what they are saying and fully understand it compared to if I am talking to someone who speaks English as a first language. Does that make me like talking to them less then someone who I don't have to do those things with? Sure. Is that racist? Absolutely.

The difference is that I understand that it is fully something that I just have to work through and I can't change my behavior because of it. I can't give them less opportunities, I can't avoid talking to them, and I certainly can't get mad at them for it. I can't change my feelings on the situation, I can only not let it be a problem for either of us. Hell, I will even admit that the culture and food is way better then my native one.


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IronBornCorps
01/23/22 11:49:53 AM
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It's C) I have parents and family of said culture, but grew up in the USA and am really only fluent in English.

I think the two have more in common that a lot of people realize, and could learn a lot from each other.

Also, technically there are more people of this other culture in the world, and they could easily make broad generalizations about Americans based on conspiracy theorist and McDonalds.
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HornedLion
01/23/22 12:01:05 PM
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IronBornCorps posted...
It's C) I have parents and family of said culture, but grew up in the USA and am really only fluent in English.

I think the two have more in common that a lot of people realize, and could learn a lot from each other.

Also, technically there are more people of this other culture in the world, and they could easily make broad generalizations about Americans based on conspiracy theorist and McDonalds.

My boy is from there, and he made the greatest spicy dish for me for free and he didnt skimp out on the chicken.

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adjl
01/23/22 2:04:38 PM
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Categorically refusing to do business (or resenting doing so) with that race would be racist. Taking a hardline stance against that cultural norm on an individual basis (that is, saying "this price is firm and I'm going to hang up on you if you waste my time any further" whenever they try haggling) would not. Categorically refusing to patronize any restaurants of that ethnicity would be racist. Avoiding individual restaurants because they routinely overprice their dishes would not, even though it can be described as being intolerant of a cultural norm.

The key difference is whether or not you generalize your experiences into prejudices. Disliking certain cultural norms is fine, but presuming any given individual will embody those norms based on their race is prejudicial, and you should try to avoid letting such presumptions colour your interactions with them. With something like restaurants, you can justify being skeptical about trying out a new one because of your prior experiences with portion sizes at similar restaurants (cultural norms dictate a lot of culinary practices, after all), but you should be open-minded enough to at least look for reviews before assuming they'll be disappointing.

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Revelation34
01/23/22 2:08:21 PM
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adjl posted...
Categorically refusing to patronize any restaurants of that ethnicity would be racist


So if a person doesn't like say Mexican food that means they're racist if they don't eat at a Mexican restaurant?

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adjl
01/23/22 2:15:08 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
So if a person doesn't like say Mexican food that means they're racist if they don't eat at a Mexican restaurant?

No, that's just a matter of not liking the food. What TC is talking about is more a matter of not liking how people prepare it, which is subtly different from that. I went into more detail on that in the second paragraph.

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Muscles
01/23/22 3:39:43 PM
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Racism is thinking 1 race is inherently superior/inferior to others, so no

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wpot
01/23/22 4:14:55 PM
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adjl posted...
Categorically refusing to do business (or resenting doing so) with that race would be racist. Taking a hardline stance against that cultural norm on an individual basis (that is, saying "this price is firm and I'm going to hang up on you if you waste my time any further" whenever they try haggling) would not. Categorically refusing to patronize any restaurants of that ethnicity would be racist. Avoiding individual restaurants because they routinely overprice their dishes would not, even though it can be described as being intolerant of a cultural norm.

The key difference is whether or not you generalize your experiences into prejudices. Disliking certain cultural norms is fine, but presuming any given individual will embody those norms based on their race is prejudicial, and you should try to avoid letting such presumptions colour your interactions with them.
This. Differences exist, and you may notice and even dislike common aspects of different cultures without being racist. You just have to give each individual you come across a fair shot and not automatically assume they're the same...while being prepared for it if a norm does pop up.

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wwinterj25
01/23/22 6:12:32 PM
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I'd say no this person is not racist.

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Unbridled9
01/24/22 12:56:49 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
So if a person doesn't like say Mexican food that means they're racist if they don't eat at a Mexican restaurant?

Hmmm... I'd say no since if they dislike Mexican food for whatever reason for something universal enough for them to associate it with the culture instead of a specific food category it would be reasonable for them to assume that any Mexican restaurant would only serve a small portion of food that they'd want to actually EAT.

No one wants to go out to eat but then be confined to a tiny section of the menu unless they specifically came for a specific item.

I do have my own question.

Let's say a person lives in a town with three Mexican restaurants. The rest of the food places, especially the ones selling themselves based on their culture (Greek, Indian, Chinese, etc), are of good or at least varied quality, however these three Mexican places are just terrible. Their staff is lazy and rude, their place is frequently dirty and poorly maintained, and their food is terrible. All three are of relatively similar quality overall while, say, the Indian places at least vary in regards to quality with bad places and good places.

Now, this hypothetical person tries eating at all three places and comes to realize that the Mexican places are all terrible. Not only do all three have lazy staff and dirty places but their food is bad. Since other places focusing on culture foods are at least varied, would it be unreasonable for him to assume that the reason these places sucked was because they were Mexican? Likewise, if he went to a different town but then refused to eat at a Mexican restaurant because his past experiences have taught him to expect rude staff, dirty establishments, and food that's bad, would he be racist for doing so?

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BUMPED2002
01/24/22 1:02:42 PM
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Perceiving other groups as being inferior to you and your group. Labeling people of another group as animals and hoodlums etc.

Thinking people are intellectually inferior to you and your group.

Not wanting to associate with other people from other groups other than your own based on preconceived ideas and/or notions.

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MICHALECOLE
01/24/22 1:04:35 PM
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All racism is born from penis size and fear of others having better sex with your wife than you do
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kangolcone
01/24/22 1:08:35 PM
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Muscles posted...
Racism is thinking 1 race is inherently superior/inferior to others, so no

This is how a child conceptualizes racism.

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RoboXgp89
01/24/22 1:14:18 PM
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if you judge a person about where they're from or what they look like it's racism
even if you don't curse you can be fired for that
which is really stupid because all the best curse words are racist
if you call someone genatalia or a hygene product it's cool

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SilentSeph
01/24/22 1:32:22 PM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
All racism is born from penis size and fear of others having better sex with your wife than you do
Dickscrimination

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MICHALECOLE
01/24/22 1:46:17 PM
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SilentSeph posted...
Dickscrimination
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wpot
01/24/22 2:33:02 PM
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Unbridled9 posted...
Likewise, if he went to a different town but then refused to eat at a Mexican restaurant because his past experiences have taught him to expect rude staff, dirty establishments, and food that's bad, would he be racist for doing so?
Well, you can't be racist against food, even if ethnic. Small-minded, maybe, but that's different.

The better hypothetical is: what if every Swedish person you ever met stole your wallet? Would you be racist for disliking Swedish people? The answer is technically, yes, you would be racist. However, that's where there's a disconnect between hypotheticals and reality. Outside of a few extreme examples, you are never going to run into a group of people (or restaurants) who are bad through and through. Most people are decent if you meet them in the right context...and the same is even more true of most groups of people.

So: to go back to the OP, s/he would be a racist if they refused to sell to the ethnic group...yes. If the person felt themselves superior to the ethnic group, even if their actions didn't change, they would be a racist. If s/he agreed to sell but was prepared for the problematic behavior, they wouldn't be racist - even if annoyed by it - so long as they truly didn't hold any global dislike in their heart and didn't take actions to harm the member of the group. However, in the latter scenario they could be PERCEIVED as racist if the people in the group noticed the person was prepared for the behavior (i.e. someone who keeps their hand on their wallet when meeting Swedish people). Perceptions of racism are problematic for both parties even if no racism actually exists.

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adjl
01/24/22 3:19:57 PM
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Unbridled9 posted...
Now, this hypothetical person tries eating at all three places and comes to realize that the Mexican places are all terrible. Not only do all three have lazy staff and dirty places but their food is bad. Since other places focusing on culture foods are at least varied, would it be unreasonable for him to assume that the reason these places sucked was because they were Mexican?

Generally, yes. Especially so in the modern world, where online reviews and opportunities to discuss restaurant experiences with others outside of your immediate area are so abundant that there's no reason to restrict your opinion to what you can generalize from your personal opinion.

Unbridled9 posted...
Likewise, if he went to a different town but then refused to eat at a Mexican restaurant because his past experiences have taught him to expect rude staff, dirty establishments, and food that's bad, would he be racist for doing so?

That's going to depend on the nature of the refusal. If he refuses to accept his friends' claims that a given restaurant is good simply because it's Mexican, that's being racist (or the culinary equivalent, if he's not making it about the people, though what you're describing is a matter of making assumptions about the people running the restaurants). If he's picking out a place himself and just ignores the Mexican options because he's so used to not considering them whenever he goes out to eat and/or thinks he's not a fan of Mexican food, less so, since that's more of a passive bias than something deliberate.

Obviously, there are some grey areas here, and varying degrees to which this can manifest. The amount of actual harm done can also be pretty variable, including being totally harmless in many cases. Like many things, the key point is to try to keep an open mind and not generalize inappropriately, especially when it comes to assumptions about people.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
01/24/22 5:38:04 PM
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HornedLion posted...
Judges everyone by their character
Everything you described relates to actions and character of the people he doesn't like dealing with at work. I'm going to infer that it's a cultural group as you mentioned a type of food they're known to make. It might be bigoted to assume everyone of that cultural group shares those traits but race is not the same as culture.

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wolfy42
01/24/22 6:26:37 PM
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The desire to race of course.

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Metalsonic66
01/24/22 7:19:27 PM
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HornedLion
01/24/22 8:37:06 PM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/8/6/AAFUswAAC2E6.jpg

We all know who the fastest is

The black hedgehog. Whats his name?


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Metalsonic66
01/24/22 9:50:18 PM
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Blackie the Edgehog

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Unbridled9
01/24/22 10:08:36 PM
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Shadow the Edgehog.

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Metalsonic66
01/24/22 10:12:41 PM
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Nathan Explosion the Hedgehog

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The_tall_midget
01/25/22 2:21:31 AM
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Kai Leng the Hedgehog.

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Revelation34
01/25/22 10:33:03 AM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
All racism is born from penis size and fear of others having better sex with your wife than you do


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wpot posted...
The better hypothetical is: what if every Swedish person you ever met stole your wallet? Would you be racist for disliking Swedish people? The answer is technically, yes, you would be racist.


No you wouldn't since Swedish isn't a race.

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adjl
01/25/22 11:57:34 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
No you wouldn't since Swedish isn't a race.

"Racism" is collquially used as a blanket term for prejudicial discrimination on the basis of ethnicity, culture, or religion, in addition to race. There's room to argue that that's inaccurate, but that's generally just being pedantic for no reason, since the fundamental attitudes and potential harms are virtually identical across all of those bases for discrimination, and lumping them all under "racism" as a blanket term saves a buttload of syllables.

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MICHALECOLE
01/25/22 4:08:00 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
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No you wouldn't since Swedish isn't a race.
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SKARDAVNELNATE
01/25/22 5:24:43 PM
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adjl posted...
that's generally just being pedantic for no reason
No, there's a reason. It helps other people to understand what you mean. If the discrimination isn't on the basis of race then it's a form of bigotry other than racism. If you continue to call it the wrong name no one will take you seriously because that has nothing to do with the discuission and you look you have no idea what you're talking about.

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Revelation34
01/26/22 12:14:16 AM
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MICHALECOLE posted...

No it wasnt


It's a joke. If I actually said what I wanted to I would have been warned most likely.

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GGuirao13
02/05/22 3:16:11 AM
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No, but he could tell the other person that things are done differently in the U. S. without sounding superior.

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Unbridled9
02/05/22 5:06:59 PM
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Well, you can't be racist against food, even if ethnic. Small-minded, maybe, but that's different.

The better hypothetical is: what if every Swedish person you ever met stole your wallet? Would you be racist for disliking Swedish people? The answer is technically, yes, you would be racist. However, that's where there's a disconnect between hypotheticals and reality. Outside of a few extreme examples, you are never going to run into a group of people (or restaurants) who are bad through and through. Most people are decent if you meet them in the right context...and the same is even more true of most groups of people.

Well, let's take a more obvious example here. The N**i's (yea. I'm sick of this example being brought up.) were taught, more or less, that every Jew was a horrible person. Yet a lot of them had never, at least knowingly, met a Jewish person. This then begs the question of if every N**i was actually a racist or not, especially if what few examples they saw were propogandistic. I mean, if you get told in your school, your culture is based heavily around the hatred of, and just everything ELSE, would it be unreasonable for a person to just assume that was the case if only because that's what their culture said it was? Or would they simply be going along with what was the norm? I know an easy way to tell would be to simply look at how they acted/reacted following the war as the people who weren't actually racist would have little, if any, problem with changing their views, but not only can actual racists have their views changed (which would mean you couldn't SOLELY look at if they had changed their viewpoint or not), but it begs the question of if they were racist DURING that time in which they were in the N**i culture.

I guess what I'm questioning here is where does the line between, at least a semi-reasonable prejudice or acceptance of a culture, and and actual racism get drawn? Especially if we can't judge someone based entirely on their external beliefs (since a non-racist could, presumably, be raised in a racist society as well as an actual one have their viewpoints change).

While the best answer would probably be something along the lines of 'we have to judge each case individually' I sort of feel the difference comes about from how a person attempts to defend such a belief if challenged on it. I.E. if a person with constant bad experiences with Mexican restaurants gets presented with an actually decent one, do they continue the assumption that all are bad, or maintain the belief that they are and that one was an 'exception'? Or if someone points out that all Swedes are not pickpockets, if the person takes a reasonable precaution (holding their wallet or not taking it along) or assume automatically that the BEST precaution is to assume that they are pickpockets and avoid them entirely, especially if they were to meet one who wasn't a pickpocket and actively tried to arrest them. Are they 'one of the good ones' or do they accept that their prejudice, while founded in past experience, is discriminatory? Does a former N**i reject the culture once they were defeated and, even if it takes a bit of un-brainwashing, accept that Jewish people are not evil, or do they hold on to the belief despite active evidence to the contrary?

I'm certainly not going to challenge someone if a better answer comes along, cause I sure as HELL don't have a proper answer myself. But I do believe it's important to distinguish between someone who is operating off of past experience and/or 'legitimate' (in quotes as I don't want to sound like I'm validating such an opinion) concerns and someone who outright believes and accepts that they are actively evil/smart/stupid/etc.

Especially since, here's both a modern and actually important distinction. In China the CCP is basically everywhere and controlling everything. This includes Chinese people who come to America. Especially since a lot of them are, at the least, encouraged to spy and steal from the west to support the CCP. So would it be reasonable to assume any Chinese person who came from China was a potential CCP spy and keep a watchful eye on them (and potentially be effectively accusing every Chinese (country, not race... If you can call it a race), or would you avoid doing so but, in doing so, risk letting legit CCP spies potentially steal, say, company programming code which would be both a massive security breach and potentially extremely harmful to your company?

Once again, I want to make this clear to anyone who might attempt to mod and said associated moderator, I'm NOT trying to validate racism! I am trying to question where the line between a reasonable assumption and brainwashing/actual racism is so it could be better defined and legitimate discussion can be had. Racism is disgusting in all forms and needs to be shunned, opposed, and hopefully shut down.

Edit: Here's a personal example. I used to hate tea. The only time I had it was when I was sick and it was always, in my opinion, disgusting. However I recently had trouble sleeping and got suggested chamomile tea as a sleep-aid. As I was desperate to not have a four hour sleep cycle I decided to try it and was extremely pleased to find I actually ENJOYED the taste. What I found out was that mom had always served me LICORICE tea, which I profusely despised. But now I'm an extremely active tea drinker (it having entirely replaced soda and challenging fruit drinks) and have been trying out new teas profusely. But this begs the question of if my earlier experience was a pesudo-equiv of drink-racism. Since everything I had before tasted wretched to me and was medicinal, at best, in nature, was my assumption effectively discrimination, or was it a reasonable assumption based on prior experience? Considering I fully changed my belief once I actually tried a different tea, I would assume the latter, but I can't deny the former is also a possibility.

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wpot
02/05/22 5:54:49 PM
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I should know better than to discuss racism on an internet message board, but what the heck...

I think the overarching answer to your question is that racism is not...binary. It's not either "you're a disgusting, unredeemable racist" or "you're not racist" with nothing in-between. Everyone has thoughts that are prejudiced at times. Anyone who says they don't is being dishonest and (frankly) unhelpful.

Soo...in your examples you asked if you would be racist if you came to an conclusion that was reasonable based on your experiences but prejudiced against a race. The answer is that that would be a prejudiced thought, yes. However, again, everyone of all races comes to thoughts and conclusions that are prejudiced at times: What matters is how you act on those thoughts and conclusions.

You would be capital R "Racist" as a personal trait if you didn't occasionally search yourself for prejudices and/or didn't allow an individual to prove your prejudices inaccurate before making significant judgments about them IMO. If you avoid doing that you would still have occasional prejudiced thoughts but (through logic, compassion, training, or other techniques) you would have learned to appropriately control them.

If you aren't self-critical and willing to change you're at a much higher risk of being Racist.

Finally, it is possible to have a prejudiced thought that is also true. I won't use an example for obvious reasons, but let's just says that all races probably have tendencies that could legitimately bother people from other races. Observing in and of itself isn't wrong. How you react to it is what's important.

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Unbridled9
02/05/22 6:06:22 PM
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wpot posted...
I should know better than to discuss racism on an internet message board, but what the heck...

I think the overarching answer to your question is that racism is not...binary. It's not either "you're a disgusting, unredeemable racist" or "you're not racist" with nothing in-between. Everyone has thoughts that are prejudiced at times. Anyone who says they don't is being dishonest and (frankly) unhelpful.

Soo...in your examples you asked if you would be racist if you came to an conclusion that was reasonable based on your experiences but prejudiced against a race. The answer is that that would be a prejudiced thought, yes. However, again, everyone of all races comes to thoughts and conclusions that are prejudiced at times: What matters is how you act on those thoughts and conclusions.

You would be capital R "Racist" as a personal trait if you didn't occasionally search yourself for prejudices and/or didn't allow an individual to prove your prejudices inaccurate before making significant judgments about them IMO. If you avoid doing that you would still have occasional prejudiced thoughts but (through logic, compassion, training, or other techniques) you would have learned to appropriately control them.

If you aren't self-critical and willing to change you're at a much higher risk of being Racist.

Finally, it is possible to have a prejudiced thought that is also true. I won't use an example for obvious reasons, but let's just says that all races probably have tendencies that could legitimately bother people from other races. Observing in and of itself isn't wrong. How you react to it is what's important.

A fair enough assessment.

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wpot
02/05/22 7:00:15 PM
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I suppose it could also be said that it's more than just actions and if a person truly believes themself superior to a different race then they would be racist regardless of their actions...but that's something a person can only judge in themself.

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IronBornCorps
02/06/22 11:11:16 AM
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We really need to stop framing discussions of racism around a single person hating a certain group. Racism is much bigger than that.

For example, in the US, people with darker skin are far more likely to experience failures of the criminal justice system, lower bank loan approval rates with smaller loans when they are approved, less access to higher education and even healthy food options. All while hearing rhetoric like "Well, we set the slaves free, what more do they want?". Of course this is in the context of the US. I would ask however, where can a light skin person go in the world and be treated like this? Do you think the US is really the only country with these issues?

I know this is a tangent, but too many takes on racism are overly simplified as "if you hate a person for being part of a certain group...". That's prejudice sure, but racism needs to be corrected on a systemic level, and the fact it's so rarely mentioned in discussions should convey how deeply ingrained it is in some of our minds.
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HornedLion
02/06/22 11:13:20 AM
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IronBornCorps posted...
We really need to stop framing discussions of racism around a single person hating a certain group. Racism is much bigger than that.

For example, in the US, people with darker skin are far more likely to experience failures of the criminal justice system, lower bank loan approval rates with smaller loans when they are approved, less access to higher education and even healthy food options. All while hearing rhetoric like "Well, we set the slaves free, what more do they want?". Of course this is in the context of the US. I would ask however, where can a light skin person go in the world and be treated like this? Do you think the US is really the only country with these issues?

I know this is a tangent, but too many takes on racism are overly simplified as "if you hate a person for being part of a certain group...". That's prejudice sure, but racism needs to be corrected on a systemic level, and the fact it's so rarely mentioned in discussions should convey how deeply ingrained it is in some of our minds.

Well said.

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IronBornCorps
02/06/22 11:32:51 AM
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Thank you,

In terms of skimpy chicken in your dish. I think it's far more likely due to rising food cost combined with wage stagnation. Probably some bad luck as well. Indian food is actually really expensive to make since all the spices need to be imported, and are usually only found in speciality grocers. Usually restaurants have to make deals with smaller grocery distributors, which has more expensive overhead than someone using a larger one that have enough volume to support lower prices.

That's just from years in restaurants myself >.>
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BUMPED2002
02/06/22 1:17:25 PM
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Racism is like an invasive species. As a mindset and expression of larger cultural attitudes, it tries to overwhelm its competitors wherever it sets seed. Defining victory as someone elses oppression, racism causes imbalance and conflict in societies in which multiple races or ethnicities of people live and work. It promotes hostility within a culture, and ultimately leads to hatred and violence.

There are many causes of racism; not all apply in all situations. Additionally, the primary victims of racism change over time. However, in the United States, racism is primarily rooted in the relative dominance of light-skinned individuals, called White people, over darker-skinned individuals called "Black" historically.

Now, in America, White people are the dominant race in the social pecking order, as evidenced by their access to the lions share of wealth, education and status, and their relative insulation from racialized discrimination, stereotypes and hateful assumptions; crime, police brutality, incarceration and injustice in the criminal justice system; crumbling infrastructure, housing discrimination, environmental toxins; low-wage work, unemployment, poverty, and more.

This doesnt mean every single White person succeeds, while every single person of color fails. Yet on the whole, White dominance is a clear and persistent trend. This pecking order means Whites enjoy greater access and success on average compared to people of color whether they realize it or not. Such benefits are known as White Privilege.


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HornedLion
02/06/22 5:01:32 PM
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Unbridled9
02/06/22 5:35:42 PM
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IronBornCorps posted...
We really need to stop framing discussions of racism around a single person hating a certain group. Racism is much bigger than that.

For example, in the US, people with darker skin are far more likely to experience failures of the criminal justice system, lower bank loan approval rates with smaller loans when they are approved, less access to higher education and even healthy food options. All while hearing rhetoric like "Well, we set the slaves free, what more do they want?". Of course this is in the context of the US. I would ask however, where can a light skin person go in the world and be treated like this? Do you think the US is really the only country with these issues?

I know this is a tangent, but too many takes on racism are overly simplified as "if you hate a person for being part of a certain group...". That's prejudice sure, but racism needs to be corrected on a systemic level, and the fact it's so rarely mentioned in discussions should convey how deeply ingrained it is in some of our minds.

Off the top of my head a lot of asian countries tend to fit foreigners in a variety of racist ways. Though, TBF, that applies to pretty much every race. Like remember that ad a while back where that Chinese woman threw a black man into her washing machine and a handsome chinese man came out with the implication that the detergent did that? I also seem to recall a Japanese ad in which an airline company had one man ask another if he had gone overseas only for said man to turn to him with an extremely long nose which was a stereotype of white people in Japan or something (I'm not really all that knowledgeable about these things. I haven't exactly LOOKED for 'how do other cultures treat other races in regards to stereotypes and racism outside of America.) I also recall an incident in Africa in which white farmers were outright forced to give up their farms to native africans, which backfired horribly as a lot of them didn't know how to farm, but that's neither here nor there. I ALSO recall some book that had taken a lot of effort for historic accuracy in which the Chinese characters constantly referred to non-Chinese as 'foreign devils' or 'dwarfs' or something for the Japanese. Not to mention the notion of 'pet white guy' in Chinese companies in which a company would hire a white guy just so it would appear like they had international businesses involved. Plus some stereotype about Americans always drinking soda. Like I said, I don't exactly look for this stuff. This is just what I've passively, and mostly randomly, heard.

But I guess what I'm saying is that NO ONE is immune to racism, not even white people. Just because they don't get the worst of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

As for the bank loans thing and what-not... I feel it's a much more complex issue than that and something that is best discussed more in halls of knowledge and research as opposed to an internet forum.

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IronBornCorps
02/06/22 6:05:01 PM
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I did focus on racism in the US for a reason. Who is making white people move to China to be pets? White farmers exist in Africa how?
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Unbridled9
02/07/22 1:53:42 AM
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I'm curious as to what reason that is since I would think the statement of 'I would ask however, where can a light skin person go in the world and be treated like this?' would factor in, ya know, the whole world.

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