Lurker > joe40001

Lil_Bit83 posted...

Well said. This broadbrushing is getting a bit ridiculous.

Though you can't get too upset at the responses since you started the topic.

I started the topic with hopes of thoughtful answers. Don't fault me for my hopes :P

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MacadamianNut3 posted...

What the fuck does that graph in the op have to do with the topic title

It shows the extent that millennials are struggling financially. The cause of which is the topic of discussion.

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Shablagoo posted...

I wasnt really prescribing it to him as some sort of penal action, I meant it in the sense that if a friend came to me saying he was troubled by violent fantasies Id suggest that he see a professional.

In your question about the "would be rapist" you didn't suggest the person was troubled by it. Or reaching out for help. So the "could do with some therapy" seemed prescriptive and not something they chose. IMO this is a different scenario than what you described with a friend here.

Shablagoo posted...

The same way Id be disturbed if someone told me they wouldnt date a woman whos slept with a black guy, as in the example of that link I posted.

In this part you are changing it from them being disturbed and seeking help to you being disturbed. Sincere question, if somebody had a policy where they wouldnt date a woman whos slept with a black guy, what would be appropriate to happen to such a person with such a policy?

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Questionmarktarius posted...

https://www.bls.gov/lpc/faqs.htm

Thanks for the link. It's still kinda unclear for me... I wish they had an example.Like "if it takes 10 bananas to make 10 oranges and oranges are worth twice as much as bananas then the productivity is 200% because the input to output is doubling in value".

But that gets really weird when human man hours are factored in because their productivity would seemingly be defined by what they are paid per hour, which then couldn't be made as a separate variable in graphs.

:/

Well if anybody here has a super intuitive understanding of how productivity is measured and can sum it up in an example I'd value that, if not I'll just be quiet about that part.

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Shablagoo posted...

Correct me if Im wrong, but it feels like at least part of you wishes we had ways to punish trans people for not wearing an I.D. badge that lets the world know theyre trans.

I really didnt think saying dont date racists was so controversial that youd accuse me of wanting to police thoughts.

You are wrong. No part of wishes for that.

I was being sincere with my question. You delved into a hypothetical that took place entirely in a "would be rapist's" mind. You had something prescriptive for him based on his thoughts, so I was legitimately curious if part of you wishes we could penalize some people with sufficiently awful thoughts.

I didn't mean it as the attack you seemed to take it as.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_economic_miracle#Steady_increasing_stage_(1973%E2%80%931992%29

1973 is about the time the rest of the world crawled out of the smoldering crater left by WW2.

Yeah I feel like it's mostly stuff like this that's to blame.

Do you know how productivity is measured? I am curious about this

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JustMyOpinion posted...

It could be suggestive of many things based on the graph alone.

That's close enough to what I was saying that I'm good leaving it there

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JustMyOpinion posted...

The graph doesn't bear out institutional bias either in a meaningful way. Just stop. Such bias seems likely, but not based on a graph showing wealth by age by generation. You're leaping to conclusions based on crap data.

I didn't ever say the graph proved anything, but I think it's false to claim evidence of profound wealth gaps is not suggestive of institutional bias.

Also just stop with the just stop. Either you are truly above talking with a lowly commoner who you assume isn't as statistically educated as your greatness or you are not. Pick one and own it.

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JebronLames posted...

you dudes think that most of the homeless do have mental health issues?

Most of the ones that are harder to help do

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JustMyOpinion posted...

I explained to you how your original post how nothing to do with your topic title. Get over it.

You didn't "explain" anything. You just insisted.

I actually took the time to articulate my point, you just kept doing the same pithy "lol I bet u didn't take the same math classes I dun took"

Really simple

1. The chart gives data relevant to institutionalized bias
2. If institutionalized bias is the explanation for the wealth gap then laziness cannot be an explanation for the wealth gap
3. So insofar as the chart is relevant to institutionalized bias it is relevant to laziness as an explanation to the wealth gap.

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JustMyOpinion posted...

Hey, I'm trying to answer your original question. And my original assertion that the graph in no way points to anything helpful with conclusions regarding laziness is no less true. Not my fault you have no idea how a regression works. Maybe stop speaking on things you know nothing about.

And to bring it back around, the answer isn't laziness. Now please stop taking us off topic with your shitposting.

"I started a tangent, then threw shade, now quit your 'shitposting' of explaining the ways the claim I made in my tangent is wrong"

lol k

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JustMyOpinion posted...

You really should take that stats class. Btw, the answer isn't laziness.

Not that I'd be any less right if I didn't, but I have,

You should take a losing an internet argument with dignity class. I just got done very clearly articulating the thing you challenged me on and your only response is to go back to throwing shade.

Ok

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I think Seashore War is my favorite from him from this generation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Boqy0Q-4c_M

I still think there are probably like 5 OG songs better than it though.


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Garreyn posted...

I always love topics like this, which instantly expose people who have likely never spoken to a single homeless person in their life and lives behind their computer monitor.

Giving homeless people "affordable homes", "free mental health programs", etc is not the solution. These people will destroy the homes for junkyard pennies, and will only show up to the mental programs for however long they have to to get whatever benefits they provide.

Some people are just too far gone for help. It's a sad reality, but not all of them will change for the better.

"Miserable mentally ill people don't get better overnight, therefore they are lost causes all of them"

Look, dealing with certain people is going to be rough, but that far from proof they are lost causes. I've never been homeless (technically I was for like 3 days but I had a car so that doesn't count) but I have been profoundly depressed for like 10 years, and I know mental illness.

If you get warped beliefs of reality you have to work hard over time to change them. It's like deprogramming somebody from a cult. A homeless person who thinks the world is against them (or any other delusion) is not going to be quickly liberated from that mindset, but that doesn't mean they are incapable.

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Shablagoo posted...

What about would-be rapists? Even if its just their fantasy, and they never act on it, surely someone who gleefully imagines raping people could do with some therapy, no?

Pretty wild strawman but I'll answer in good faith.

They aren't "would-be" rapists if they never and will never act on their fantasies. If a person has thoughts I don't personally like, but never acts in a bad way. Then I don't get to tell them what to think, nor should I want to.

"Could do with some therapy" is a different question. it is a question of "do I think such thoughts are not conductive to a healthy mind and thus they might be happier/healthier if they sought therapy"? Perhaps, but again that's not my place to say because it's not my life or my thoughts.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it feels like at least part of you wishes we had ways to punish people for thought crimes.

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JustMyOpinion posted...

It's not like that at all unless you can show me where exactly in that graph laziness is. All I see from that graph is that laziness maybe possibly is one of many possible answers, but the graph is inconclusive on laziness.

Like I said, a 1/1000 disparity would logically suggest institutionalized bias as a reason for the economic disparity, as 1/1000 disparity in work ethic is improbable.

It is up to people reading the graph if they think the 1/4 disparity is in keeping with the comparative work ethic.

The graph is relevant though because it informs the "institutionalized bias" vs "laziness" debate. The graph does not show laziness, but it can reflect "institutionalized bias" which we established is an explanation for the economic struggle that would suggest against laziness as the reason.

Put simply if 100% of the reason was laziness, then 0% of the reason could be institutionalized bias, and if 100% of the reason was institutionalized bias then 0% of the reason could be laziness. Since the chart is provides data relevant to the likelihood of institutionalized bias then it also provides data relevant to the likelihood of laziness as the primary explanation.

Also I don't know why you are busting my balls over this, because even if the chart was 0% relevant to the likelihood of institutionalized bias, it would still be relevant to the overall discussion of the wealth gap because it demonstrates the wealth gap.And so at very worst my topic is "Is bad work ethic the reason for millennial wealth gap?" and OP is data that shows the gap.

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Spooking posted...

I remember LA country being given around 500 million dollars for housing the homeless and most of that money went to administrative cost.

And that is horrible, people behind that waste need to be fired if not arrested.

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Pet peeve of mine:

Person 1: How do we fix problem X?
Person 2: Solution Y
Person 3: Solution Y is imperfect because of A, B, and C so it shouldn't be done

We have to remember we don't need the perfect answer to make things better, and waiting for the perfect answer is likely to make things worse. Like most things in life you try a strategy, keep the parts that worked iterate on the parts that didn't.

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JustMyOpinion posted...

They have less wealth and somethig fishy is going on has no relevance by itself to laziness or not having laziness. You'd benefit from a basic statistics class.

???

We are discussion an economic gap controlling for age. One of the most common responses to why millennial are struggling is "they are lazy".

If there is something fishy going on (aka institutional shenanigans that bias the rules against millennial and younger generations) then by definition some if not all of the economic gap will be explained by this. If it is explained by this then it is not explained by laziness.

I really can't wrap my head around your logic. It's like you are saying "finding Bob was the person who did the murder has nothing to do with whether we think Alex did the murder".

Yes it obviously does.

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Shablagoo posted...

Yeah we also dont get to decide in the case of this womans boyfriend who would never date a girl that had previously had sex with a black man

https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/eb9u1t/my_boyfriend_said_he_would_never_date_a_girl_that/

but it still makes her (hopefully EX-) boyfriend a garbage ass racist who shouldnt be dated by anyone.

Regardless of the reasons, we don't get to dictate other's sexual preferences, and we really shouldn't want to.

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runuts27 posted...

https://thinkprogress.org/it-would-actually-be-very-simple-to-end-homelessness-forever-d6f15852b2ec/

A commission formed by the Bipartisan Policy Center put forward one solution for the whole homeless population. It recommended giving rental assistance to everyone whose income is at or below 30 percent of area median income (AMI), or between $13,650 for a single person to $19,500 for a family of four, through a reformed voucher program. At a cost of $22.5 billion, the report notes, It could, in effect, end homelessness for the vast majority of those experiencing it, given that nearly all homeless households fall into the category of earning at or below 30 percent of AMI. Roman, who served on the commission, noted, It would basically solve homelessness.

Cool thanks

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JustMyOpinion posted...

Bro, nothing I said about the graph was false and nothing you said about the graph would help anyone even come close to pinpointing or not pinpointing laziness.

The graph demonstrates the gulf of economic position. It's up to people to respond where they think that comes from. Though I would think the bigger the gulf the more likely there is some gatekeeping shenanigans are at play.

Let's say a 30 yo millennial had 1/1000th the wealth a 30yo boomer did, I think that would be enough of evidence that something fishy is going on.

With the seeming 4x it is right now, it's up to people to discuss in this topic, but it is relevant data to the discussion for sure.

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Romulox28 posted...

isnt the issue that millennials arent buying houses, investments, high value assets etc & not that they dont have high salaries?

Do they have good salaries?

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Loud_Pipes posted...

Look at how long the other generations have been gathering wealth. Once they start dying due to old age, millennials will become by far the wealthiest generation to ever have existed.

Millennials are off to a slow start due to 2009 but it's picking up. And yes, they could be further along if they were more conscious with their money and spending decisions.

The fact at 35 boomers had 20% of the total wealth, whereas at 35 Gen X seemed to have like 8% certainly doesn't bode well for millennials (some of which are about 35)

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JustMyOpinion posted...

It shows that 30 year olds are less wealthy than 50 and 60 year olds, which I find not shocking and there are a multitude of reasons why that could be, making it impossible based on just a graph to pinpoint laziness.

Bro do you even read graphs?

It shows that controlling for age each generation is getting less and less of the economy than the previous one. A 30yo millenial has half as much wealth as a 30yo Gen Xr did, which looks to be about 40% of as much wealth as a 30yo Boomer would.

The graph shows that at 30 a millenial would make about 1/4th as much as boomers did when they were 30, so are boomers really 4 times as good of workers/people?

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

So he's NOT gonna be removed from office?

Republicans would have to vote based on reality and not party affiliation.

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JustMyOpinion posted...

I don't know why you even bothered with the graph as it's entirely irrelevant to the question you posed.

The graph shows how extremely they are struggling, so it is quite relevant. Compared to other generations millennials are really struggling to share in the economy. So the question is "is it laziness as many people claim?"

To me that graph seems to imply some systematic unfairness. Unless we millenials are truly shit tier people and boomers are god tier perfect workers.

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ROBANN_88 posted...

So what does impeachment do then?

Impeachment basically means "officially investigating/voting on if they should be removed from office"

Though the word is often used by some to mean "removed from office too", but that's not really what it means.

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Anteaterking posted...

If you "can't tell", then why does it matter?

Because it matters to some people. You don't get to decide what matters to people.

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Trans people should at least make sure that their partner is interested in trans people romantically very very early. There certainly shouldn't be a situation where somebody feels "tricked".

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runuts27 posted...

It would cost approx $20 billion to end homelessness in the U.S that's chump change for the federal gov't.

Where do you get that number?

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First of all, aren't most people here millennial? I don't know why people are talking about them as an external group.

Secondly considering the graph, don't you think there is more of an effect than ever of older wealthy people gatekeeping the young out?

Some young people are entitled, but I hardly think the previous 2 generations were paragons of perfect employees. Am I wrong?

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The phrase is "slap on the wrist"

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https://i.imgur.com/2G9xeJh.png

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Smallville posted...

which one?

In the swimming pool

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UBI would help a lot

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Southernfatman posted...

ROTJ gets shit on too much. Say what you want about the Ewoks or whatever, but the space battle and Luke/Vader/Palpatine well make up for them and they weren't that bad to begin with.

Agreed. SW movies are largely about fun and that movie is arguably the most fun.

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lilJoe457 posted...

I disagree. I think Rogue one and revenge of the sith are good. The others are definitely below average and return of the Jedi is very campy.

Pretty much this
IMO RotJ > RotS though and both are campy, but they are campy fun

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_____Cait posted...

The consequences wont happen in their lifetime

Some will, and some major ones definitely will in their kid's lifetime.

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Wewillrocku posted...

what can a rich person do about it joe? they can just donate money or something. they're not scientists who might know what to do or policymakers who can enforce it (although policymakers also happen to be rich).

They will do what rich people always do when they want stuff done, hire a zillion lobbyists to make policy changes. We can't pretend money can buy bad political action without acknowledging it can also buy good political action.

And "What to do" is pretty simple, just make earth carbon negative for a while then carbon neutral.

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_____Cait posted...

Rich corporations usually include things like burning fossil fuels, dumping into oceans, mass air pollution, etc. They would lose money trying to change all that, so they lie and deny any of this is happening.

But like a habitable earth is worth more than X amount of dollars, even to rich people.

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Like I get why I, a poor person, can't stop climate change, but why isn't every rich person with a brain not like using all they can to stop this?

Hell I'd be down with Jeff Bezos going full bond villain and pointing lazers at major cities until everybody found a way to be carbon negative.


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Purely posted...

30 rack of Miller High Life

What I'd do if its a chill party.

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Thanks OP, i just bought it after finding out about the sale

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Far Cry 5 definitely.

It's a good game.

Fallout 76 is either a social experiment of broken bugs, or a producers-esque scheme to try to make a game that fails to get away with tax fraud or something.

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How classy is it?

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What's hot is that the girl in black seems at most bi-curious, so there is a lot of discomfort/sexual tension

It's hot when a girl is "not sure about doing things with other girls"

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MARKINGRAM22 posted...

She was talking about a director in his 40s or 50s that drugged and had sex with a 13 year old. That is fucking rape rape. Shut the fuck up next time before you embarrass yourself.

She was talking about statutory rape vs "rape-rape", whether she had all her facts straight before talking (which it seems like she did not) that is a different discussion.

Assuming she was talking accurately about what happened (which in her mind I'm sure she thought she was) then she was talking about the distinction between consensual but unlawful sex with a minor (statutory rape) and forcible sex with a minor ("rape-rape").

Both of these are horrible but the latter is more horrible. In sensitive topics such as these respect needs to be used, and one way to show respect is to be precise and nuanced with our words. People painted her as a monster rape apologist. I didn't see it that way, she was making an important (if possibly factually inaccurate) distinction for the sake of the details of the story. It very much looks like she had her facts wrong, and that was her mistake. Had she not had her facts wrong I think the distinction in the context of an accurate respectful discussion can be an important one to make, and so her intentions I don't think make her a monster who should be exiled for all time.

Just one final point of clarity, obviously this is a sensitive subject and I mean no offense to anybody.

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Shablagoo posted...

But even if you are averse to feasting, theres still one ass youd rather feast on over the other.

Yes, but even so it is a different question than the TT, and it is wrong to conflate the questions.

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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

Ah yes the "it's not rape rape" woman

There is a relevant distinction between kinds of rape, it reflects more poorly on you for not understanding that and reducing her to just that one soundbite than on her not being handholdy in her description of her meaning.

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