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Lara got a reduction.
Samus got a reduction.
Tifa got a reduction.
There is a pattern here.
You can say I'm a loser, but you can't deny what is happening. It's not a conspiracy. It's not internet nerds preemptively being outraged. We said it would happen and it did. We knew it would because it's happened already. Because it's a clear and continuous pattern.
I don't care. I'm a fucking nerd. Whatever.
No, I don't need big breasts on a female character to find her interesting as a character. You don't need profanity and gratuitous bloodshed to have a good time at the movies. But if there's a PG-13 sequel or remake to an R-rated movie, people flip a table because they're being denied something they used to have. It's the same thing here.
If you go to favorite place to eat and find one day that they've stopped serving alcohol, you'd be within your rights to go someplace else even if the food is just as good as it always was.
Even if you don't care about fictional breasts (or real breasts on women playing fictional characters). Even if you're not into women period, it's still a bad thing to remove all buxom women from the media. You are saying that there is a certain type of person who you do not want to be featured in the media and it's through no fault of their own. This is like taking every story which had a Jewish character in it and replacing them with non-Jewish characters. You would be selectively removing a group of people from having any media presence or representation.
It's not just censorship. It's discrimination. How are women with large breasts supposed to feel in real life when they're not good enough to make it into movies? What does it say to them that body types and personality types are treated one and the same and that busty types are the "bimbo" types that we don't want? I suppose they can go out and get reductions if they want to be treated fairly.

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itachi15243 posted...

Were almost at 500, I'm just gonna say how I feel about this.

It's stupid that we can't transfer saves.

This is a remake of one game collectively, so it's obvious why people think it should be a thing.

The idea that these all just sequels and not part of 1 full game sounds like a marketing statement, or something similarly stupid.

It should be easy to figure out how to make this work.

They should have figured it out in advance.

They should have actually done it.

There's no reason not too. Everyone who didn't play the first one could have easily started with some sort of standard save with appropriatelevel and gear. It would probably be pretty easy.

Very well said. You are correct.

Gwynevere posted...

I'm not sure what's sadder; SE making a mangled mess out of FF7 remake, or somehow getting people to shill "actually it's not a multi part remake, it's a set of full games and sequels" marketing nonsense

The latter is.

DKBananaSlamma posted...

I never understood what was going on with her outfit. It looked like she was in a cast and brace on her left side in the PS1 version >_>

Think it was an attempt to make her have some sort of ninja-gear.

Zonbei posted...

No, the implication there was that I was jokingly pretending you were calling yourself delusional. Silly.

So I am not delusional or he is not wrong?

SwayM posted...

I defended the game being in multiple parts but this is indefensible. Just a really poor choice.

Based.

LeCh0nk posted...

The one on the left is the new one? Guess she finally has some range of motion in her elbow, instead of that full arm cast.

Yes. She also lost the hose-net on her left leg.

Zonbei posted...

I applaud your ability to be so introspective and admit this about yourself.

So you would agree that he is correct and not "You are delusional, lol." ?

Robot2600 posted...

the simping is so hard in here

obviously SE implied all of the games would be connected, like the .Hack. I'm pretty sure they even literally said that at one point, only to have an "Aes Sedai" interpretation of "We only ever said that the first game would effect the second, and LOOK, a summon..."

Squeenix is bad. they are totally clueless.

I wonder if the simping came about because of how much backlash XIII got and those wanting to defend it had to cross a mental line of no return.

I am gonna level Vincent this way.

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masterpug53 posted...

People looking at FFRemake - a single story Hobbit'ed into multiple games by bean counters - making the blunder of not carrying over progress and thinking 'wHen HaVE SeQUEls EvER caRRIeD OvER DAta' is a legitimate defense is just peak CE.

Well said

Zonbei posted...

You are delusional, lol.

Not him

ssk9716757 posted...

The Hobbit gets split into 3 parts: This is unnecessary and bogs down the storytelling.

FFVII gets split into 3 parts: They have to do this. The original game is too big for one game.

lol

lol

Punished_Blinx posted...

We don't even know if the side content in Rebirth is good or bad.

Why would you believe it different than FF15, FF16 or FF7 Re fetchquests? Could they create and flesh out a brand new awesome story within those 100 hours that did not exist in the original FF7? Maybe. But that is putting way too much faith into them and thinking they are better than actual standalone games as well as the game that came before.
Why would you for example not expect quests where a chocobo ran away and you gotta run all across the map to find them?

Zonbei posted...

well I have to, so youre the a****** for suggesting I dont!

Wow you actually didn't understand the meme.

Zonbei posted...

That isnt.. good lord dude. You responded to someone saying dont play the sidequests. Now youve somehow twisted yourself into a pretzel trying to say well it makes sense because I bought the game so clearly Im forced into all of this.

You were never going to get it non-piecemeal. The fucking meme doesnt apply here dude. Nobody and nothing made you do anything in any way. Just take the L.

Their response was, to me proving it was padded, by showing an example. I didn't take an L you guys did. You tried to argue with me this and that and that, and then I show the padding and the random guy who wasn't even with you guys comes in an goes "SO WHAT! JUST DON'T DO IT THEN!"
That is beside the point and proves it is padding. But I cannot decide to not buy the padding as a fan who wanted the game remade.

Zonbei posted...

but you have a choice to not play the sidequests. So it isnt applicable

I swear to god youre just trying to bait me into insulting you at this point.

Whether I do them or not I paid for them in the price of the game or it wouldn't have been sold to me piece-meal.
So yes, how curious, I participate in society.

Yes Zonbei, I participate in society.

Lukey_Bug posted...

I don't want you to not do them I want you to shut up about "padding" Just cause early nes/snes/PS1 Rpgs didnt have a lot that was only because of storage limitations. You can bet your ass if FF7 released on PS2 or later it would've had all kinds of pointless sidequests.

Also wtf does "I participate in society" even fucking mean? You keep saying it but it makes no sense in this discussion.

Fetchquests in those old RPGs would not be called padding because they were not purposely taking content that was only 4 hours long and trying their hardest to make it last 50 hours so they could claim it was a full standalone game.

Participate in society is when someone criticizes something and someone goes "Yet you partake of the thing you are critical of!" because in order to live in society they have no other choice. Here the point is as an FF7 fan who longed for a remake I can criticize it and still play the game. And no me boycotting it won't change it as another smart aleck said vote with your wallet.

Zonbei posted...

You are not using that meme correctly. Which at this point isnt very surprising.

So you don't understand it. Gotcha.

VirtuousWrath posted...

Paying $180 to do the same fetch quests 3 times

Part 1: $60 Dlc: $20 Part 2: $70 Dlc2: $30 Part 3: $80 Dlc3: $40 Part 4: ??

Lukey_Bug posted...

Okay...not sure what Im supposed to take away from that but you do you buddy. Have fun

Your response wasn't "that is not padding!" but instead "don't do them then!"
So they are padding but you want me to not do them. Yes I participate in society.

Lukey_Bug posted...

Then don't do them? They're entirely optional. You know like every other sidequest in every other rpg.

I participate in society. How curious!
Glad you supported my argument.

But here, this is padding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHr9YUoDlQE

It is a fetch quest that exists for one thing only, to pad how long they can say part 1 is. It could not exist and they wouldn't have had to waste time to develop it and used that time to get the Remake remade quicker.
And this how a 4 hour segment in OG FF7 became a "50 hour game". Like I would be ok with that part getting a bit longer, but doing that through forgettable fetch quests, that is objectively padding. And it is just one of many.

PowerOats posted...

What padding?

This can't be a serious question. Let me ask, did you grow up playing OG FF7?

You know this just reminded me of something. Way back in 2015 or 2016 when we first got info on the parts, many people though part 1 was going to be a short game like an episode of a Telltale game. People though this was great and was so Square could sell it for like $20 and get their money fast for developing say Midgar.
Later on the whole "each part is a full game!" was told. Then of course people shifted their mindsets to defend the why.

Zonbei posted...

Development and funding are inextricable from each other. Many development choices are due to funding.

There is difference between "they did it this way because shareholders said 1 full game wouldn't make enough money!" and "it is too hard to make 3D environments like ps1 had!"

hockeybub89 posted...

Well when you've already made up your mind like this, I don't think any kind of expanded content would be acceptable to you.

I have long accepted that is the direction they chose and how the games will be. All I am arguing with these guys is that the game would be done already in 2024 if a lot of the padding was removed and those resources were put on just completing the parts that were in the original.
They are upset because it is hard to argue against this now when Rebirth has all these zones translated to modern 3D up to what we believe to be the northern crater but boasts of 100 hours of gameplay which we know did not exist in OG disc 2.
But for some reason they argue against that and want to defend the piece-meal approach as being something necessary development-wise instead of because of funding or just someone wanting change for the sake of it and such other things.

BakonBitz posted...

This is not about what Square said back then, it's a fact.

And Elden Ring does not have the same kind of presentation as other AAA games these days are you kidding me? It doesn't even have the same storytelling as lower-budget jRPGs.

Lol, look at that. Another person when confronted with the truth pivots from the "detailed world" to story. FF7 story was done so why are you even bringing it up? Not like they had to write anything for it. But Elden Ring world is detailed and beautiful and expansive. It is just like you imagine a ps1 era world map to be in 3D.

Punished_Blinx posted...

That open world games with barely any story sell ridiculously well?

Ah now you pivot from detailed world to story. Ironic in that all the padding doesn't enhance FF7 story it messes it up. Not to mention no dev ever cited the story as being an issue cause it never was.

PowerOats posted...

So the original still has padding

The original is one game. The point of bringing up padding is to justify there being 3 games coming out of one game.

BakonBitz posted...

I don't think you're getting the point I'm making. It has nothing to do about how people played old jRPGs, it's about how game development has changed and gotten more complicated.

That is just a line Square corporate fed to people back in the XIII days. This has been dis-proven many times over since then. Look at Elden Ring for an easy example.

PowerOats posted...

I guess snowboarding, chobobo breeding, the Gold Saucer, and Super bosses are padding too

Those existed in the OG and it still with part 1, 2 and 3 rarely got you to 100 hours. There is no way to make that claim without padding.

pegusus123456 posted...

No, I'm talking about the padding. You said the game is full of it and the only way you'd know that is if you'd played it

Why would I need to play it to know this? I have played OG FF7 and part 1 and they just threw the 100 hours line there.

BakonBitz posted...

That's why the added content is there. They want the player to be able to experience all these areas longer than for just a few minutes because it makes more sense from a development standpoint.

No that is you trying to find a justification and forgetting how people played old jrpgs.

pegusus123456 posted...

Oh, shit, you got an early copy? How does it play? Is Cait Sith fun to use?

You believe that Rebirth will not have all the areas in 3D?
So literally the thing people argued is what necessitated the piece-meal approach didn't accomplish the goal?

Zonbei posted...

Personally I hate when my favorite game gets a metric fuckton of new content fleshing out the characters and world in a way the original never could due to technical and financial restraints. Fucking monsters.

Yet you did not disprove what I just said.

BakonBitz posted...

I'm willing to argue that creating fully 3D areas and making them look beautiful and hi-res is a lot more work than them being pre-rendered backdrops. And considering a lot of areas in the original FFVII are only a few screens long, there's tons of areas, and a huge visual variety on them all, that it would be considered a waste to design areas that the player is only gonna be in for a couple minutes, like the Mithril Mines. So rather than cut anything out, the devs are rather expanding these short areas in an attempt at making them grander, more epic, and allowing players to spend more time in those areas.

All to say, in short, AAA game development now is a lot harder and time-consuming than it used to be, so might as well make the most out of the assets you create.

They already did it. We have the fully 3D areas already up to Northern Crater at least in Rebirth. But alongside it we have content claimed to make the game "100 hours long". That is a LOT of padding cause not even the entire original game really had 100 hours unless you did something like trying to get to level 100. Take all the work needed to make this padding and the game would been done.

thronedfire2 posted...

but it's not "filler". it's a whole new game.

You literally called them filler NPCs. Yet they are the content that makes it a 40-50 hour game.

Zonbei posted...

Of course I can acknowledge that they could have made a completely different, smaller, less ambitious game before making these three. Silly.

That is more than many users could acknowledge. Mainly because back 7 years ago some guy at Square said they couldn't do it and they had to defend those words.

Punished_Blinx posted...

If they scaled back on the scope and did an overworld instead of a proper open world I guess they would be done but Gamers would also piss and moan about that and it would be a completely different game anyway.

If you wanna play a better looking version of the original you can mod the PC port and move on with your life.

They wouldn't even need to do that. Just cut stuff like Roche and a lot of the fluff we got in Part 1 and the fluff I expect we will get in part 2.

Zonbei posted...

We can agree that if they just did the bare minimum and 1:1 remade FF7, they could totally have made the full game by now.

I would say more a 1:1.5, but I am glad you can acknowledge this.

Zonbei posted...

lmao. Yep. Thats how it works!

So now you are saying it didn't take long or much dev resources to make Rebirth a 100 hour game now?

Zonbei posted...

Its weird that your proof is a thing you made up. Theyre not basically done with it now lol.

Because all that new content to make it 100 hours right? Even with all that, this part 2 will end about northern crater. If we cut all this filler then they would 100% be done.

thronedfire2 posted...

where did I say I didn't remember them? those are important characters, not random filler NPCs

which new major characters were in the remake that weren't in the original? I admit it's been a year+ since I played so I may have forgotten. although all you nerds getting so angry makes me want to replay the remake on hard mode so I can enjoy all the expanded content again

And if you gonna just call everyone filler NPCs how you gonna argue that the sidequests are not filler?

BakonBitz posted...

What is this argument about again? Sorry to butt in, I'm just confused.

Originally I argued that had they cut most of the padding they would have had the whole game done as a one and done complete game by 2024. The proof is that they are basically done with it now but with all the padding of "over 100 hours of gameplay contained to disk 2!!!" and all that.

thronedfire2 posted...

you called the first two "Tifa's landlord" and "cowboy dude" and I immediately stopped taking your post seriously because you didn't even know the names of the characters you were crying about.

You didn't remember them so why do I need to remember their names?

thronedfire2 posted...

well I guess they spent enough dev time to make side characters so memorable that nerds would cry about it over a year later

unless you(most likely) googled all that shit

Or they didn't cause you, a person who said you are glad they split the game into parts, don't remember any of them. Yes I googled them.