Current Events > Progress not carrying over from Remake to Rebirth is really stupid

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We don't even know if the side content in Rebirth is good or bad. Either way it sounds like you've made up your mind.

If people aren't interested in this approach it won't sell well. If it does then they are. I guess we'll see. Not really sure what the big deal is. We've known for half a decade now that it isn't going to be the one game and it's pretty obvious to me that Square-Enix wants VII to be its own franchise.

Zonbei posted...

well I have to, so youre the a****** for suggesting I dont!

Wow you actually didn't understand the meme.

darkphoenix181 posted...

Wow you actually didn't understand the meme.

That is LITERALLY what the meme is about. The person in the meme going yet you participate in society is the asshole implying someone shouldnt be doing something they have no choice but to do while criticizing it. Using the meme means youre saying someone is that asshole.

As I pointed out, you confusingly used the meme as if you were the guy saying that, which means you were calling yourself the asshole, so clearly youre very confused here.

tl:dr What are you fucking talking about lmao.

Punished_Blinx posted...

We don't even know if the side content in Rebirth is good or bad.

Why would you believe it different than FF15, FF16 or FF7 Re fetchquests? Could they create and flesh out a brand new awesome story within those 100 hours that did not exist in the original FF7? Maybe. But that is putting way too much faith into them and thinking they are better than actual standalone games as well as the game that came before.
Why would you for example not expect quests where a chocobo ran away and you gotta run all across the map to find them?

darkphoenix181 posted...

Why would you believe it different than FF15, FF16 or FF7 Re fetchquests? Could they create and flesh out a brand new awesome story within those 100 hours that did not exist in the original FF7? Maybe. But that is putting way too much faith into them and thinking they are better than actual standalone games as well as the game that came before.
Why would you for example not expect quests where a chocobo ran away and you gotta run all across the map to find them?

The recent trailer looked to have some pretty decent variety with what you get to do.

Punished_Blinx posted...

The recent trailer looked to have some pretty decent variety with what you get to do.

Yeah, but how many minutes long is the trailer juxtaposed with the hundred hours theyre claiming the game is? It makes sense theyd put their best foot forward as it were.

PraetorXyn posted...

Yeah, but how many minutes long is the trailer juxtaposed with the hundred hours theyre claiming the game is? It makes sense theyd put their nest foot forward as it were.

I dunno.

I liked FFVII Remake so I'm sure it'll be fine. I don't care if I don't play it for 100 hours.

I've actually started the Yuffie DLC today and I'mma be honest, the Fort Condor minigame is all I've done so far and I ain't mad about that.

So uheveryones still gonna buy it, right?

Kurt_Russel posted...

So uheveryones still gonna buy it, right?

Eventually. Not until its at least 50% off on Steam probably by the time I get around to playing 7R and buying that one.

Kurt_Russel posted...

So uheveryones still gonna buy it, right?

Probably wasn't asked to me, but I loved Remake so I'll definitely be getting this.

VirtuousWrath posted...

Why simp so hard for bad game design?

Zonbei has 291 active posts and it's all arguing inane points aggressively

Because it couldn't possibly be a justifiable reason for the game to be criticized. The thread was solved within the first 5 pages, Zonbei instead moved the goalposts along with the other people arguing his side so it could go on this long. At first it was "you're not a game developer you can't criticize it from your position."

Someone dropped by & illustrated how easy it would be to carry over the save data. Then the goalposts moved to how "well GoW 2018 is just the first game before Ragnarok so why didn't that carry over."
People illustrated the differences between a game with RPG mechanics that carries over things within the story of one game. FF7 Remake & Rebirth are the same game, split up into several parts, & how many other series like Dragon Age, Tales of, & Mass Effect in addition to .hack did this sort of thing as well with carrying over data you progressed for.

Then they said those are exceptions & not the rule & don't count.

Then there was a ton of inane arguing about FF16 ruining SE, not all the other blunders they did of course. This was the only example Zonbei didn't argue for, but that didn't stop the several other people from distracting the topic again, & it spiraled for 20+ pages from there.

Either way, SE isn't cutting checks for anyone on a message board so I don't understand the desire to carry water for them.

What do people mean by 'save data' carrying over.

I don't recall God of War Ragnarok carrying over anything of consequence from a save.

Neither Dragon Age or Mass Effect imported your level or gear. Their save imports were intended to carry over choices you made in the story and you got some minor bonuses.

Can't speak for the other games.

What's the exact expectation people want? The counter examples that I have played make no sense and make me suspect someone has just googled Save Import without actually caring about how those games handled it.

I'm not even sure what sidequests carrying over means either. Nothing stopping Rebirth from having returning characters and sequels to sidequests.

darkphoenix181 posted...

Why would you believe it different than FF15, FF16 or FF7 Re fetchquests? Could they create and flesh out a brand new awesome story within those 100 hours that did not exist in the original FF7? Maybe. But that is putting way too much faith into them and thinking they are better than actual standalone games as well as the game that came before.
Why would you for example not expect quests where a chocobo ran away and you gotta run all across the map to find them?

Remake and 16 had plenty of good quests. There was some filler, but that's true of every RPG that's more than like 10 hours long

Punished_Blinx posted...

What's the exact expectation people want? The counter examples that I have played make no sense and make me suspect someone has just googled Save Import without actually caring about how those games handled it.

They seem to want something like dot hack, that actually did carry over your stats and equipment from game to game. That kind of data carryover seems to be pretty rare though.

The reality is no AAA developer is going to release any game for $60-$70 and expect people to have played the first game and to still have that save still available to use.

This is why progress never carries over. It's not worth the extra hassle.

Dragon Age is listed but is anyone going to bring up that Inquisition handled this by giving you an optional survey so it specifically didn't have to figure out how to handle everyone's situation.

Yeah, when you get right down to it, this was never really going to happen the way people ITT seem to want it to. At best, you'd get something like a few materia leveled up and you'd start at level fifty which is actually just level five in practical terms.

Which, aside from dot hack apparently, is about the only thing I've ever seen carried over from game to game.

I've explained myself like 5 times now, I'm tired of repeating it over & over again for free. Go CTRL+F or whatever & look at what me & others have mentioned for what gets carried over from game to game, whether it's Mass Effect 2>3, or .hack infection through quarantine, or .hack G.U., or Dragon Age, or Witcher 1 to 2, etc etc.

SE is not a small developer, the task mentioned is not beyond their capabilities, but unfortunately blowing money on mobile games & NFTs & shit games like Babylons Fall, Balan Wonderland, Avengers, blah blah blah. What we ask ain't much

hereforemnant posted...

I've explained myself like 5 times now, I'm tired of repeating it over & over again for free. Go CTRL+F or whatever & look at what me & others have mentioned for what gets carried over from game to game, whether it's Mass Effect 2>3, or .hack infection through quarantine, or .hack G.U., or Dragon Age, or Witcher 1 to 2, etc etc.

SE is not a small developer, the task mentioned is not beyond their capabilities, but unfortunately blowing money on mobile games & NFTs & shit games like Babylons Fall, Balan Wonderland, Avengers, blah blah blah. What we ask ain't much

I have played Mass Effect, Dragon Age and all three Witcher games. All of them imported story decisions which there are none in Final Fantasy VII Remake. None of them imported levels and abilities. Some have bonus gear and starting at a slightly higher level but you always start at a low level again.

That's how those games worked. You're upset because you don't start at level 5 and get a single weapon and armor set with an imported save?

hereforemnant posted...

Witcher 1 to 2, etc etc.

I don't know about the others, but I know for a goddamn fact that nothing worthwhile gets ported over from Witcher 1 to Witcher 2. You get a few references to the choices you made in the first game, some swords and armor that are almost immediately outclassed, and a grand total of 1% of the money you had.

So like I said:

pegusus123456 posted...

At best, you'd get something like a few materia leveled up and you'd start at level fifty which is actually just level five in practical terms.

Zonbei posted...

And he split it into three stories. Because hes a writer and that can be done by people who are actually capable. And the movies are definitely three stories.

Weirdly, this is just like how it would be insane to have all three parts be one game, because it would be one big chonker.

What is this? The original game was 3 big chonks in 1 game.

I think sometimes gamers get this weird expectation on what a game should be based on their fantasies instead of actually considering how it works functionally.

FFVII Remake obviously didn't cap out Cloud and the party to save stuff for later. That alone should make it rather obvious what the intent was going to be.

By the time I play this it'll be 3-4 years since I played the first game. I don't fucking remember everything about the mechanics or how I played. It would be a ridiculous expectation to have on players. Assuming I still play it on PlayStation anyway. What about new players who have no idea what any of these endgame terms mean?

Then you've got the typical loop of an RPG is earning new spells and weapons. If you want to start off the game with all of the top tier spells and weapons where does it go from there? Do we start a whole new tier where random forest creatures now shrug off Firaga and you need to earn Firagalama to kill them one hit? Some bandit is now more powerful than Sephiroth in the first game?

It's like one of those things people want and ask for but don't actually think about how it would work.

Funnily enough it came flooding back to me that this was also a complaint for Mass Effect 2 back in the day because Bioware said your Shepard will carry across the trilogy.

hereforemnant posted...

I've explained myself like 5 times now, I'm tired of repeating it over & over again for free. Go CTRL+F or whatever & look at what me & others have mentioned for what gets carried over from game to game, whether it's Mass Effect 2>3, or .hack infection through quarantine, or .hack G.U., or Dragon Age, or Witcher 1 to 2, etc etc.

SE is not a small developer, the task mentioned is not beyond their capabilities, but unfortunately blowing money on mobile games & NFTs & shit games like Babylons Fall, Balan Wonderland, Avengers, blah blah blah. What we ask ain't much

Youve explained yourself 5 times and every time youre wrong about the basic premise, which is why nothing is changing.

Ragtag28 posted...

What is this? The original game was 3 big chonks in 1 game.

Yes, and the original game was a PS1 game. I dont know why people dont get that its harder (read, more expensive and time consuming) to make games now, among other reasons for doing it this way.

Punished_Blinx posted...

I think sometimes gamers get this weird expectation on what a game should be based on their fantasies instead of actually considering how it works functionally.

FFVII Remake obviously didn't cap out Cloud and the party to save stuff for later. That alone should make it rather obvious what the intent was going to be.

By the time I play this it'll be 3-4 years since I played the first game. I don't fucking remember everything about the mechanics or how I played. It would be a ridiculous expectation to have on players. Assuming I still play it on PlayStation anyway. What about new players who have no idea what any of these endgame terms mean?

Then you've got the typical loop of an RPG is earning new spells and weapons. If you want to start off the game with all of the top tier spells and weapons where does it go from there? Do we start a whole new tier where random forest creatures now shrug off Firaga and you need to earn Firagalama to kill them one hit? Some bandit is now more powerful than Sephiroth in the first game?

It's like one of those things people want and ask for but don't actually think about how it would work.

Funnily enough it came flooding back to me that this was also a complaint for Mass Effect 2 back in the day because Bioware said your Shepard will carry across the trilogy.

Heavy agree, its sort of ridiculous. people dont even really know what theyre asking for.

Punished_Blinx posted...

I have played Mass Effect, Dragon Age and all three Witcher games. All of them imported story decisions which there are none in Final Fantasy VII Remake. None of them imported levels and abilities. Some have bonus gear and starting at a slightly higher level but you always start at a low level again.

That's how those games worked. You're upset because you don't start at level 5 and get a single weapon and armor set with an imported save?

The sad thing is you literally get two free summons for importing a save, which is basically as much as you got in most of the games listed.

AceMos posted...

once again god of war told a complete story

7 remake does not

and once again the dot hack games solved this exact problem back on the PS2

Why does that matter? The video game mechanics dont always have to have 1 to 1 representations in the reality of the game world. Its like how you can hear the score of a movie that the characters in the movie cant. Some aspects of a game serve the story, some serve the game. The point of an RPG is that you start off weak and get stronger as you gain better loot and experience. Why does it have to have anything to do with the story at all?

Out of all the side quests, That chocobo finding quest is one you would consider padding

Not the cat collecting one, or the main quest for that very chapter the chocobo one is in.

But since you seem to think that optional side quests = padding, especially ones that provide new materia and unique monsters to fight, I can't help you.

I haven't played 16 but apparently there are a lot of lackluster side quests, but is it really padding if it not mandatory

Shit is dumb

The Hobbit gets split into 3 parts: This is unnecessary and bogs down the storytelling.

FFVII gets split into 3 parts: They have to do this. The original game is too big for one game.

lol

I stopped reading at whatever post where Marth claimed to be a video game developer and said it would be easy to carry progress over. They must love the smell of their own farts so much. The delusion was wild there lol.

Seeing this topic almost reach 500 with a few people arguing the progress should be carried over is pretty sad considering its a dumb topic to begin with.

MobileProphet posted...

I stopped reading at whatever post where Marth claimed to be a video game developer and said it would be easy to carry progress over. They must love the smell of their own farts so much. The delusion was wild there lol.

Seeing this topic almost reach 500 with a few people arguing the progress should be carried over is pretty sad considering its a dumb topic to begin with.

It is an extremely dumb topic. Im fairly sure some of the same folks here would complain even if theyre equipment and stats carried over from the previous game. Some people just like to whine.

Ironically enough, I think gamedev has never been easier. Studios crunch because they just wanna pad games with filler like ff7r

These are completely different games.

the game no one ever wanted

ssk9716757 posted...

The Hobbit gets split into 3 parts: This is unnecessary and bogs down the storytelling.

FFVII gets split into 3 parts: They have to do this. The original game is too big for one game.

lol

lol

At this point, wait for the PC port and wait until someone mods in a item checklist to recreate all your items from Remake to Rebirth

PowerOats posted...

At this point, wait for the PC port and wait until someone mods in a item checklist to recreate all your items from Remake to Rebirth

Ill be getting it on Steam, and it did occur to me someone might make a mod for this.

VirtuousWrath posted...

Ironically enough, I think gamedev has never been easier. Studios crunch because they just wanna pad games with filler like ff7r

You are delusional, lol.

hereforemnant posted...

I've explained myself like 5 times now, I'm tired of repeating it over & over again for free. Go CTRL+F or whatever & look at what me & others have mentioned for what gets carried over from game to game, whether it's Mass Effect 2>3, or .hack infection through quarantine, or .hack G.U., or Dragon Age, or Witcher 1 to 2, etc etc.

SE is not a small developer, the task mentioned is not beyond their capabilities, but unfortunately blowing money on mobile games & NFTs & shit games like Babylons Fall, Balan Wonderland, Avengers, blah blah blah. What we ask ain't much

None of those games have full level and inventory carry over, just some little plot decisions.

Which maybe you've never played FFVII, or those games you listed as you clearly have no clue what you're talking about, but there are no choices to make in that game for plot.

PurestProdigy posted...

acknowledgement of completed sidequests

The premise of the topic was this. Not just sidequests alone per se. But the gist.
It should had ended at that.
Minor rewards. Keep some items/whatever, "Hey I saved this dude back in Disc 1", this thing changed, etc.
Congrats on your 500 topic Marth.

People looking at FFRemake - a single story Hobbit'ed into multiple games by bean counters - making the blunder of not carrying over progress and thinking 'wHen HaVE SeQUEls EvER caRRIeD OvER DAta' is a legitimate defense is just peak CE.

masterpug53 posted...

People looking at FFRemake - a single story Hobbit'ed into multiple games by bean counters - making the blunder of not carrying over progress and thinking 'wHen HaVE SeQUEls EvER caRRIeD OvER DAta' is a legitimate defense is just peak CE.

God, the lack of self awareness here is just.. incredible.

This entire message is peak CE. The willful denial of reality being used to mock others, the stupid alternating letter thing. Perfect.

Zonbei posted...

You are delusional, lol.

Not him

masterpug53 posted...

People looking at FFRemake - a single story Hobbit'ed into multiple games by bean counters - making the blunder of not carrying over progress and thinking 'wHen HaVE SeQUEls EvER caRRIeD OvER DAta' is a legitimate defense is just peak CE.

Well said

masterpug53 posted...

People looking at FFRemake - a single story Hobbit'ed into multiple games by bean counters - making the blunder of not carrying over progress and thinking 'wHen HaVE SeQUEls EvER caRRIeD OvER DAta' is a legitimate defense is just peak CE.

Pretty much.

Granted, nobody really expected 1:1 carryover. Most sequels with carryover dont have 1:1 carryover, but they at least acknowledge decisions and choices (which 7R doesnt have), sidequest completion (.e.g., if you did an NPCs quest, when you meet them in the next one there will be a dialogue line acknowledging it), and have some sort of token carryover in terms of stats and equipment, like getting 5 free level ups and notable equipment being there but being outclassed quickly.

The root problem is that just resetting the party mid experience is jarring and immersion breaking, and people were always going to feel that way because they Hobbit Movie-ed a single game.

the simping is so hard in here

obviously SE implied all of the games would be connected, like the .Hack. I'm pretty sure they even literally said that at one point, only to have an "Aes Sedai" interpretation of "We only ever said that the first game would effect the second, and LOOK, a summon..."

Squeenix is bad. they are totally clueless.

darkphoenix181 posted...

Not him

I applaud your ability to be so introspective and admit this about yourself.

Zonbei posted...

I applaud your ability to be so introspective and admit this about yourself.

So you would agree that he is correct and not "You are delusional, lol." ?

Robot2600 posted...

the simping is so hard in here

obviously SE implied all of the games would be connected, like the .Hack. I'm pretty sure they even literally said that at one point, only to have an "Aes Sedai" interpretation of "We only ever said that the first game would effect the second, and LOOK, a summon..."

Squeenix is bad. they are totally clueless.

I wonder if the simping came about because of how much backlash XIII got and those wanting to defend it had to cross a mental line of no return.

Robot2600 posted...

the simping is so hard in here

obviously SE implied all of the games would be connected, like the .Hack. I'm pretty sure they even literally said that at one point, only to have an "Aes Sedai" interpretation of "We only ever said that the first game would effect the second, and LOOK, a summon..."

Squeenix is bad. they are totally clueless.

Kudos for the Wheel of Time reference. I hope youve read the books, because theyre fantastic and that show is awful.