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TopicAssassin's Creed Valhalla gameplay. Will be taken down soon.
antfair
07/05/20 9:37:13 PM
#72
Hexenherz posted...
The FOV seems wider in Odyssey too.
Yeah, that might be the bigger change.

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TopicAssassin's Creed Valhalla gameplay. Will be taken down soon.
antfair
07/05/20 9:32:30 PM
#68
For comparison



You can see Kassandra's feet, and she takes up a smaller chunk of the screen than Jacob (Syndicate)

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TopicThe President, on [unclear]
antfair
07/02/20 7:07:59 PM
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TopicYesterday was my one year anniversary of getting a Switch
antfair
06/16/20 10:43:19 PM
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I'm really glad I got it, I've played it even more than I expected at the time. It's been nice revisiting Nintendo series that I enjoyed in my childhood but hadn't played in over a decade.

Ask me stuff, I guess.

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TopicThe President, on history
antfair
06/11/20 10:27:12 AM
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TopicLive PD has been cancelled aswell
antfair
06/11/20 10:24:22 AM
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A&E of course has a history when it comes to copaganda

https://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/2013/06/ae_the_first_48_producer_who_f.html

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TopicDorks' favorite politician offers his two cents
antfair
06/07/20 9:54:39 PM
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TopicHow many Cops live in the actual neighborhoods they are working in?
antfair
06/05/20 7:35:43 PM
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TopicHonestly these other countries protesting have way more racism than America
antfair
06/03/20 8:48:48 AM
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Eric Garner lived in New York City

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TopicI got a feeling 21 is gonna be a good year.
antfair
06/02/20 10:00:05 PM
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I have no reason to be over-optimistic

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TopicFBI has no intel of Antifa involvement in Sunday violence
antfair
06/02/20 9:58:58 PM
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https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/fbi-has-no-intelligence-antifa-was-involved-in-sundays-violence-at-dc-protests-report/amp/
Attorney General Bill Barr and President Donald Trump have tried to blame Antifa or anti-fascists for violence in the protests against police injustice. But the public data has backed up their case, and even their on intel disputes the argument.
The FBIs Washington Field Office has no intelligence indicating Antifa involvement/presence in the violence that occurred on May 31, according to an internal FBI situation report obtained exclusively by The Nation. That same day, President Donald Trump announced on Twitter that he would designate Antifa a terrorist organization, even though the government has no existing authority to declare a domestic group a terrorist organization, Ken Klippenstein reported for the magazine.

The FBI report, however, states, based on CHS [Confidential Human Source] canvassing, open source/social media partner engagement, and liaison, FBI WFO has no intelligence indicating Antifa involvement/presence. The statement followed a list of violent acts like bricks being thrown at police and a backpack containing explosive materials, which were flagged by the FBI under a Key Updates section of the report, The Nation reported. The report did warn that individuals from a far-right social media group had called for far-right provocateurs to attack federal agents, use automatic weapons against protesters.

The Nation article is behind an annoying paywall, or I would've linked it directly

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TopicThe MPLS police union chief, on shootings and more
antfair
06/02/20 6:14:23 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
Do you post so many topics that you have to use alts
Yes.

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TopicThe MPLS police union chief, on shootings and more
antfair
06/02/20 6:13:14 PM
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https://theintercept.com/2020/06/02/minneapolis-police-union-bob-kroll-shootings/

IN AN INTERVIEW in April, Lt. Bob Kroll, head of Minneapoliss police union, said that he and a majority of the Minneapolis Police Officers Federations board have been involved in police shootings. Kroll said that he and the officers on the unions board were not bothered by the shootings, comparing themselves favorably to other officers.

Theres been a big influx of PTSD, Kroll said. But Ive been involved in three shootings myself, and not one of them has bothered me. Maybe Im different.

His comments underscore the rampant nature of police violence in the United States. The number of times police officers fire their weapons swamps the level of violence in most other countries, where authorities rely on nonlethal methods of coercion, persuasion, or control. Many police officers live with post-traumatic stress disorder induced by the violence associated with policing.

But not Krolls crew, he said. Out of the 10 board members, over half of them have been involved in armed encounters, and several of us multiple. We dont seem to have problems, he said. Certainly getting shot at and shooting people takes a different toll, but if youre in this job and youve seen too much blood and gore and dead people then youve signed up for the wrong job.

Kroll has been a central figure in the unfolding protests and riots following the killing of George Floyd by Minnesota police officer Derek Chauvin. In a letter to union members on Monday, Kroll called Floyd a violent criminal and described the ongoing protests as a terrorist movement that was years in the making, starting with a minimized police force. He railed against the citys politicians, namely Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey and state Gov. Tim Waltz, for not authorizing greater force to stop the uprising. The politicians are to blame and you are the scapegoats, he wrote.

On Tuesday afternoon, the Minnesota AFL-CIO called for Krolls resignation, blaming him for his role in [enabling] violence and brutality to grow within police ranks. Police forces across the country have been escalating violence against demonstrators; driving vehicles into crowds; firing rubber bullets, tear gas, and flash grenades at largely peaceful gatherings; and even killing a man in Louisville, Kentucky.

THE CONVERSATION, The Nothing Sacred Interview Lieutenant Bob Kroll, was posted to YouTube and Facebook on April 29, but has gone largely overlooked. Kroll, in the interview with STIM Radio host Maxwell Thomas Silverhammer, also discusses efforts by the mayor and city council to pressure the police and other unionized workers to forgo raises in order to help the city mitigate the budgetary crisis brought about the coronavirus pandemic.

The first thing we said was OK, lets see the budget, lets see the city budget. And guys theyre pissing away, millions and millions of dollars to projects, he said. Like, you know, theyre giving $15,000 a year to the transgender coordinator of the city.

Kroll said that he asked for an assessment of how much the city would save by postponing raises for the officers and said he was told that it would come to $410,000. That was an unacceptable sum, he said, because the city had been spending similar amounts settling claims of wrongful death by police officers. Krolls curious logic argued that the police should be held blameless for the costly settlements because the true blame rested with city attorneys, who didnt properly defend police officers when they were sued after fatal shootings.

They just paid a former Minnesota Viking $385,000 in an out-of-court settlement because he was tased when he wouldnt leave a bar, Kroll said, apparently not considering the possibility that the police could have declined to tase him. The cops tased him, Kroll said.

Youre giving away money left and right in lawsuits, and you want us to take a bath? So forget it, Kroll said, adding that the settlement with the family of Terrance Franklin particularly bothered him. Franklin, a burglary suspect, unarmed and 173 pounds, was found hiding in a basement by five officers who unleashed a dog on him. His familys attorneys say an officers semiautomatic weapon accidentally went off, hitting two officers in the legs, and police responded by shooting and killing Franklin in anger. Police claimed that Franklin attacked an officer and took control of the gun, a charge the familys attorneys said was absurd and contradicted by evidence. The city eventually agreed to a $795,000 settlement. Kroll said that a good friend of his had killed Franklin: stepped up and shot him in the head at close range.

The Franklin one was near and dear to my heart because he shot two friends of mine, and a very good friend of mine was the one who shot and killed him in the confrontation, Kroll said.

Krolls politics are not incidental to what is effectively a police riot underway in Minnesota and across the country. Hes one of Minnesotas more outspoken supporters of President Donald Trump and took the stage with him at a 2019 campaign rally to praise the administration for letting the cops do their jobs.

According to a 2015 Star Tribune report, Kroll clocked at least 20 internal affairs complaints during his three decades in the Minneapolis Police Department, all but three of which were closed without discipline. There have also been several lawsuits against Kroll, detailing a long history of allegations of bigoted comments, including one that accused him of using excessive force against an elderly couple during a no-knock raid and another that accused him of beating, choking, and kicking a biracial 15-year-old boy while spewing racial slurs.

The big buzzword they had was deescalation, Kroll said of police reform efforts. Youre supposed to, you know, even if youre lawful in using force, it could look bad and give a bad public perception.

Being trained not to use force is whats causing officers stress, Kroll said. Certainly cops, its not in their nature. So youre training them to back away, he said. And its just not a natural thats where a lot of the stress does come from with the cops is not [having] the ability to grab somebody and say, no, step back or youre going to jail and if need be, by force.

Kroll also mocked the concept of procedural justice, an institutional reform meant to reduce police use of force through diversity and anti-bias training, saying that its an opportunity for people of color to get back at white men. He said that in his early days of training, the rule was to ask them nicely to do something the first time, then give them a direct, lawful order to do so, and if they refuse you make them with force, thats how you get compliance.

Those days are over, he said. Now, it is ask them, love them, call, you know, give them their space and give them their voice. And this is what theyre training new officers. Our cops went through that and theyre going, Oh my God. Yeah, procedural justice. And the theory behind it being that, you know, the white men have oppressed everyone else for 200 years. So its their opportunity to get back.
Union chief is an elected position (by the cops)

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Topic30 days of video game music, day 1: Title screen songs
antfair
06/01/20 4:28:37 PM
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Let's do this
https://youtu.be/o78T9-I4OGA


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TopicI give up. I fucking give up
antfair
06/01/20 7:59:14 AM
#58
ThisGuyAreSick posted...
So maybe the protests will convince the DNC to grow a pair and let Bernie unsuspend his campaign?
That ain't happening

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TopicI give up. I fucking give up
antfair
06/01/20 7:57:52 AM
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You can't vote the cop's knee off your neck.

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TopicMinneapolis cops rendered 44 people unconscious with neck restraints since 2015
antfair
06/01/20 7:55:28 AM
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minneapolis-police-rendered-44-people-unconscious-neck-restraints-five-years-n1220416

Since the beginning of 2015, officers from the Minneapolis Police Department have rendered people unconscious with neck restraints 44 times, according to an NBC News analysis of police records. Several police experts said that number appears to be unusually high.

Minneapolis police used neck restraints at least 237 times during that span, and in 16 percent of the incidents the suspects and other individuals lost consciousness, the department's use-of-force records show. A lack of publicly available use-of-force data from other departments makes it difficult to compare Minneapolis to other cities of the same or any size.

Police define neck restraints as when an officer uses an arm or leg to compress someone's neck without directly pressuring the airway. On May 25, Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin was captured on video kneeling on the neck of a prone and handcuffed George Floyd for eight minutes including nearly three minutes after he had stopped breathing.

Chauvin was charged Friday with 3rd degree murder and manslaughter for Floyd's death.

More than a dozen police officials and law enforcement experts told NBC News that the particular tactic Chauvin used kneeling on a suspect's neck is neither taught nor sanctioned by any police agency.

A Minneapolis city official told NBC News Chauvin's tactic is not permitted by the Minneapolis police department. For most major police departments, variations of neck restraints, known as chokeholds, are highly restricted if not banned outright

The version of the Minneapolis Police Department's policy manual that is available on-line, however, does permit the use of neck restraints that can render suspects unconscious, and the protocol for their use appears not to have been updated for more than eight years.

Minneapolis police data shows that in the bulk of use-of-force cases involving neck restraints when an individual lost consciousness, the restraint was used after a suspect fled on foot or tensed up as they were being taken into custody. Almost half of the people who lost consciousness were injured, according to the reports, which do not spell out the severity of those injuries.

Five of the cases involved assaults on officers, while several others involved domestic abuse or domestic assault cases. In most cases, there was no apparent underlying violent offense.

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TopicLA mayor shuts down covid testing sites in response to protests
antfair
06/01/20 12:03:37 AM
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TopicLet's check in on police unions
antfair
05/31/20 11:50:08 PM
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Topicterry moran asks if biden wearing a mask is a good or bad look
antfair
05/26/20 10:20:45 AM
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TopicPost your MP3 players from back in the day
antfair
05/19/20 5:04:36 PM
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Look at god

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TopicI get addicted to creating teams in sports video games
antfair
05/19/20 4:53:28 PM
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Which logo should I go with?


Specifically, the Super Mega Baseball series has a pretty robust logo editor. In the week since 3 came out I've made a whole league of 12 fictional teams, loosely themed as though they were designed in the 90s.

I've gotten to the point where I have two separate versions of the Los Angeles team. Which do you prefer?
A: This logo is of course based on a California highway sign; the color scheme evokes that signage but also LA's Mexican population and, with some yellow, the city flag.

B: my original idea, working around a purple, black, and silver color scheme. Took a while to get something I was satisfied with; the game's only car graphic doesn't seem to fit all that well into a logo.

I'm happy to show other teams upon request

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TopicFiraxis announces monthly updates for Civ VI, including new civs and game modes
antfair
05/11/20 3:34:24 PM
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So 8 new civs in all, plus a lot of new content

There's also this

Two of Civilization VI's leaders are transformed with a new look and new abilities when you lead America and France! Rough Rider Teddy excels at keeping the peace on his home continent, and Magnificence Catherine can use Luxuries to overwhelm the world with Culture and Tourism. Each Persona Pack contains a brand-new take on a favorite leader, with a new leader model and background, new gameplay bonuses, and an updated agenda that reflect the changes to the leaders personality. The Persona Packs are available exclusively to owners of the New Frontier Pass and will be delivered with the second add-on pack.

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TopicIs anyone else worried about over-leveraged landlords during this?
antfair
04/04/20 1:16:41 PM
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TopicCoronavirus 10: Two Weeks Notice
antfair
03/23/20 3:14:28 PM
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This is perverse

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Topic4 Senators voted no to the Emmett Till Anti-Lynching Act
antfair
02/26/20 9:45:51 PM
#36
Congressmen, not senators

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TopicDemocratic Primary General Topic 3-0
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02/25/20 9:53:43 PM
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TopicHillary Clinton campaigns for Bernie Sanders
antfair
01/31/20 10:59:16 PM
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/us/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders.html
<quote>Hillary Clinton said on Friday in a podcast interview that Senator Bernie Sanders and his supporters did not do enough to unify the Democratic Party after the prolonged 2016 primary, calling the behavior of his supporters distressing and saying it affected the general election.

All the way up until the end, a lot of people highly identified with his campaign were urging people to vote third party, urging people not to vote, Mrs. Clinton said in an interview with Emily Tisch Sussman for her podcast Your Primary Playlist. It had an impact.

Mrs. Clinton also drew a sharp distinction between her efforts in 2008 to bring the party together after her bruising primary battle with Barack Obama and the efforts by Mr. Sanders in 2016: Night and day, she said.

And she warned against party disunity when facing off against an incumbent President Trump in 2020.

That cannot happen again, she said. I dont care who the nominee is. I dont care. As long as its somebody who can win, and as long as its somebody who understands politics is the art of addition, not subtraction.

Mrs. Clinton already caused a stir last week when footage from an upcoming documentary revealed her saying of Mr. Sanders, Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done. When promoting the film, she initially declined to tell The Hollywood Reporter whether she would endorse or campaign for Mr. Sanders if he were the nominee; hours later, she clarified on Twitter that I will do whatever I can to support our nominee.

In Fridays podcast, Mrs. Clinton minimized her earlier remarks about Mr. Sanders as 15 seconds in a four-hour documentary. At the same time, she went on to speak about Mr. Sanders at length.

In the half-hour podcast interview with Ms. Tisch Sussman, Mrs. Clinton also sounded off on the Iowa caucuses which will be held on Monday and which Mr. Sanders leads in some polls as undemocratic, because the voting is limited to a single winter evening making them hard to attend for people with night shifts at work, like nurses, or parents who need child care. <i>[Antifar's note: when she's right, she's right]</i>

It is a very undemocratic way of picking a nominee, she said, adding, it just makes no sense.

Mrs. Clinton lost Iowa in 2008 to Mr. Obama but won the caucuses narrowly over Mr. Sanders in 2016. Ill be happy to see the primaries start rolling around because thats a much easier way for people to participate and for the outcomes to be much clearer, she said.

Some of her most notable remarks in the podcast interview were about the aftermath of the 2016 primary. At one point, Ms. Tisch Sussman asked Mrs. Clinton of Mr. Sanders, What do you think that he can do whether hes the nominee or not the nominee to help get to that point of unifying people against Trump?

Well, he can do it, for one, Mrs. Clinton said with a big laugh. Thats not our experience from 2016.

She said that she had very honest, very open conversations with Mr. Obama in 2008 and that she fully embraced his bid for the White House.

So fast forward. I mean, you had, unfortunately, a very different outcome in the 2016 primary, where I won by four million votes. I won overwhelmingly in delegates, Mrs. Clinton said. There was no question about who was going to be the nominee. But unfortunately, you know, his campaign and his principal supporters were just very difficult and really, constantly not just attacking me, but my supporters.

We get to the convention, she continued. Theyre booing Michelle Obama, John Lewis. It was very distressing and such a contrast between what we did to unite in 08.

Still, she was looking ahead to the 2020 race and drawing on her 2016 experience about the challenge ahead.

I think people need to have to really think hard about who can beat Trump. And its not the popular vote, as I learned to my own grave disappointment, she said. Noting the key Electoral College battlegrounds, she added, Those are going to be tough states to win. So I just want us to be really focused on winning. Thats all I care about.</quote>

Please, keep talking, I'm begging you

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TopicWhat position do you sleep in?
antfair
01/20/20 10:51:35 AM
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I'm a 2

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TopicI hate this stupid sport
antfair
01/18/20 9:25:24 AM
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Getting mad before 10 AM on a Saturday.

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TopicToday in misleading graphs
antfair
01/16/20 11:17:45 AM
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Lmao. This comes from Breitbart, which is why I'm not linking to the article.

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TopicUkrainian plane with 180 on board crashes in Iran
antfair
01/07/20 10:41:20 PM
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TopicIllinois schools to start teaching LGBTQ history in 2020
antfair
01/05/20 7:43:53 PM
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Shadilay posted...
Will they teach how Tim Cook ruined Apple products with bad decisions that lowered the quality, usefulness, accessibility, longevity, and overall appeal of the brand all the while increasing the cost to the point where a fucking monitor stand costs 1000 dollars.

The legacy of Steve Jobs, one of the greatest Syrian Buddhist visionary, is in shambles thanks to Tim Cook.
What

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TopicTrump threatens sanctions on Iraq
antfair
01/05/20 7:42:39 PM
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https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1213979646615834624

All that blood spent to build a democracy, but God help you if you vote the wrong way.

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TopicIllinois schools to start teaching LGBTQ history in 2020
antfair
01/05/20 6:03:09 PM
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God bless

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TopicUtah paying public employees to go to Mexico for prescriptions
antfair
01/05/20 5:59:43 PM
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https://www.sltrib.com/mexico-pharmacy-tourism/
<quote>Hospital Angeles towers over a neighborhood that, but for the palm trees and signs in Spanish, could be in Salt Lake City.

TGI Fridays and Sams Club are around the corner. U2 plays on the speakers at a coffee shop across the street. At the end of Paseo de los Hroes, the main street through Tijuanas medical district, looms a massive statue of Abraham Lincoln.

This is where some Utahns fill their most expensive prescriptions under a cost-saving measure that made national headlines when it was announced. In the first year since the states Rx Tourism program for public employees launched, 10 Utahns have traveled over the Mexican border to pick up specialty medications at about half the price charged in the United States. In return, the state covers airfares for the patient and a companion, and offers a $500 cash incentive for each trip.

It was a no-brainer, said Ann Lovell, who has made four trips to Hospital Angeles in the past year to pick up Enbrel for rheumatoid arthritis. In addition to the cash payment, Lovell avoids the hefty copay shed have to cover in the U.S. under her plan through PEHP, the insurer that covers 160,000 Utah public employees and family members.

Its kind of like $1,000 in my pocket, Lovell said.

Medical tourism long has been a workaround for Americans seeking procedures that often are not covered by their insurance, and the streets of Tijuanas medical district are lined with clinics for everything from bariatric surgery to dental care and optometry.

Yet pharma tourism for specialty drugs is a relatively new phenomenon here and it's different from the buyer-beware market for medical treatments and procedures.

At the end of the day," said Chet Loftis, director of PEHP, were talking about the same drug.

But the cost is vastly different typically 40% to 60% of the list price in the United States.

In total, the state has saved $225,000 on drugs bought in Mexico by patients who require any of the dozen or so specialty drugs mostly treatments for multiple sclerosis and other autoimmune disorders that PEHP identified as having the most potential for savings.

Legislators and PEHP administrators had anticipated more people would participate, said Travis Tolley, clinical operations director for PEHP; Rep. Norm Thurston, R-Provo, said in an interview with National Public Radio last year that he hoped for savings of at least $1 million.

But every client who has made the trip to Tijuana has opted to return, Tolley said, and now PEHP is expanding its travel incentive to Vancouver, Canada, where a clinic is right inside the airport.

In the meantime, state officials have been inundated with requests for information from business and government leaders desperate for solutions to escalating prices for specialty drugs. Though they make up only about 2% of all drugs prescribed, they accounted for about half the money spent on prescription medications in the United States in 2018, according to the health research firm IQVIA.

Flying from Salt Lake City to San Diego International Airport takes about two hours. At the base of the baggage claim escalator in San Diego, Javier Ojeda greets first-time patients with a name placard and a driver.

We never leave [patients'] side, said Ojeda, general manager of Provide Rx, the pharmacy that works with Hospital Angeles to obtain and dispense specialty drugs for U.S. patients. Provide Rx also makes all travel arrangements, including a motor service staffed by bilingual drivers, who escort patients out of the airport and into a van for the short drive south.

If you blink, you might miss the Mexican border, about 20 minutes from the airport. Southbound travelers arent screened, and the van crosses into Tijuana without stopping. Its another 15 minutes or so to the hospital, via freeways and major thoroughfares.

At 1.6 million people, Tijuana is a sprawling metropolis, but most of the medical services are concentrated in the northern part of the city, not far from the border. Small clinics and large hospital campuses alike stand adjacent to clusters of loft apartment buildings and trendy restaurants in this cosmopolitan neighborhood; there are about a dozen sushi places within a mile of Hospital Angeles.

Pretty much everyone whos a little uncomfortable gets here and says, Oh, this is nothing like the def con 5 situation I thought, said Joe Willix, chief experience officer for Medical Travel Option. The Texas company matches U.S. employers to international health care providers to reduce the costs of employees health care.

At the hospital, patients are whisked past manicured tropical plants and through an airy lobby to a doctors office. Patients submit medical records to Provide Rx from their U.S. doctors when the trip is booked, but a Mexican physician must meet with each patient and sign off on the prescription for the pharmacy to fill it, Ojeda said.

The doctors visit may amount to a quick exchange of papers or a more thorough physical, depending on the patients condition. Then Ojeda provides the pre-ordered medication, and the patient is ready to return to San Diego.

From the jetway in Salt Lake City to the exit of Hospital Angeles, getting a prescription can take as little as three or four hours.

Nearly all of the PEHP clients who have visited Tijuana reacted most strongly to the same thing, Tolley said: "The ease of the trip."

Getting back to San Diego can be a bit trickier. U.S. border officials have created a medical lane at the San Ysidro crossing to streamline reentry, and Provide Rx briefs patients on the usual script: Always declare your medicine as personal use.

Ojeda said the wait at the border rarely exceeds 90 minutes and usually is much shorter. The Salt Lake Tribune contacted eight PEHP clients who have made the trip, and they reported wait times from 10 to 90 minutes.

But San Ysidro is still the busiest border crossing in the Western Hemisphere, funneling about 90,000 travelers into the United States each day. Patients flights back to Salt Lake City tend to be scheduled late in the day, Lovell said, to provide a cushion of time in case of border delays.

Its a long, long day, said Lovell, 62, who works as a teacher for deaf students. During a trip in February, for example, she left her home at 5:30 a.m. and didnt return until midnight, she said.</quote>

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