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1NfamousACE_2 02/26/20 8:49:08 PM #1: |
The vote was 410-4.
The no's were Republicans Thomas Massie (Kentucky) Ted Yoho (Florida) Louie Gohmert (Texas) and Independent Justin Amash (Michigan) 4 people opposed making lynching a federal crime. --- Brady will never receive a HOF vote. He has been blackballed for cheating. - DeadCellReborn ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AFrench2 02/26/20 8:49:53 PM #2: |
For fuck sake, is Louie Gohmert STILL in Congress? God he makes me sad to be a Texan..
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MachineJaipur 02/26/20 8:50:03 PM #3: |
they probably gave some petty bullshit devil's advocate argument of "We shouldn't restrict people's freedom of expression/speech" or some bullshit
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Jeff AKA Snoopy 02/26/20 8:50:19 PM #4: |
Is it possible they supported the idea but not the law as it was written?
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Smashingpmkns 02/26/20 8:50:49 PM #5: |
Pieces of shit
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AlisLandale 02/26/20 8:52:27 PM #6: |
Is it not already?
whats the difference between lynching and murder, in this context? --- It ok Hameru. Rabu. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Odoylerules 02/26/20 8:53:20 PM #7: |
Smashingpmkns posted...
Pieces of shit ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 02/26/20 8:54:35 PM #8: |
How the hell is a senate vote 410-4?
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1NfamousACE_2 02/26/20 8:55:31 PM #9: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
How the hell is a senate vote 410-4? Shit...I fucked up I meant Representatives --- Brady will never receive a HOF vote. He has been blackballed for cheating. - DeadCellReborn ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Ivory_Man 02/26/20 8:56:19 PM #11: |
AlisLandale posted...
Is it not already? This would make it above a murder now, which is handled by the state. Frankly I don't exactly get the purpose of it. --- "Just because someone is killed doesn't mean they died" - Shojikan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BLAKUboy 02/26/20 8:56:30 PM #12: |
Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
Is it possible they supported the idea but not the law as it was written?No, more than likely their "defense" is the classic "WHY DO THEY NEED SPECIAL RIGHTS!!!" --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bishop9800 02/26/20 8:56:50 PM #13: |
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
The no's were Republicans Thomas Massie (Kentucky) Ted Yoho (Florida) Louie Gohmert (Texas) and Independent Justin Amash (Michigan) Seeing what states they are representing, it doesn't surprise me... --- There are enough attention whores on CE as it is. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 02/26/20 8:57:09 PM #14: |
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
Shit...I fucked upSo... who were the 21 representatives who didn't bother. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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1NfamousACE_2 02/26/20 8:57:44 PM #15: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
So... who were the 21 representatives who didn't bother. Haven't been said yet --- Brady will never receive a HOF vote. He has been blackballed for cheating. - DeadCellReborn ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EbonTitanium 02/26/20 9:01:15 PM #16: |
Massie has always been a pos.
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NeoShadowhen 02/26/20 9:03:02 PM #17: |
AlisLandale posted...
Is it not already? It makes lynching a federal crime. I imagine most people are just yeah, sure why not. Bishop9800 posted... Seeing what states they are representing, it doesn't surprise me... Texas is wildly independent so it doesnt surprise me they wouldnt want anything to become federal. The others are probably on a states rights kick. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlisLandale 02/26/20 9:05:16 PM #18: |
NeoShadowhen posted...
It makes lynching a federal crime. I imagine most people are just yeah, sure why not. Yeah, I have no problem with the bill. Was just curious. --- It ok Hameru. Rabu. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Crazyman93 02/26/20 9:07:08 PM #19: |
AlisLandale posted...
Is it not already? Lynching is either a result of mob justice, or else a hate crime. It is almost always by hanging as well. So, it's a specific kind of murder, like matricide is. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lebronwon 02/26/20 9:08:47 PM #20: |
Did the Bill have a lot of pork or something? Bills like this are great for that because you get to add whatever you want to it and if people vote against it you can use it against them.
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Crazyman93 02/26/20 9:09:59 PM #21: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
For what it's worth, when they talk about fillibusters, what they really mean is establishing a quorum, that is to say, make sure everyone is there to vote, this is apparently virtually impossible since most representatives are running around doing other things like subcommitties, so the 21 who didn't vote were probably not even in the room for one reason or another. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TiamatNM 02/26/20 9:12:50 PM #22: |
NeoShadowhen posted...
It makes lynching a federal crime. I imagine most people are just yeah, sure why not. Why bother though? Just to stack more laws on the books? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 02/26/20 9:13:20 PM #23: |
NeoShadowhen posted...
It makes lynching a federal crime. I imagine most people are just yeah, sure why not.The text of the law creates punishment for conspiracy to violate civil rights. Text of bill: (page 7 line 12 is where the actual law part starts) https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20200224/BILLS-116hr35-SUSv2.pdf Referenced parts of USC: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-13 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/3631 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Crazyman93 02/26/20 9:15:53 PM #24: |
TiamatNM posted...
Honestly, "why bother" is a good question, on the basis that if you do it just because the victim was black or hispanic, or gay or whatever, it's a hate crime and I'm 80% sure that those already fall under federal jurisdiction. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarthDemented 02/26/20 9:19:44 PM #25: |
They probably voted no because they couldn't get any money out of it.
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1NfamousACE_2 02/26/20 9:21:43 PM #26: |
Yoho tells @mkraju just now that he opposed it because he believes its an overreach of the federal government and would infringe on states' rights.
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AlisLandale 02/26/20 9:25:26 PM #27: |
Crazyman93 posted...
Honestly, "why bother" is a good question, on the basis that if you do it just because the victim was black or hispanic, or gay or whatever, it's a hate crime and I'm 80% sure that those already fall under federal jurisdiction. After looking it up, it seems a strong motivating factor is as a symbolic gesture. there have been attempts to make lynching a federal crime since 1900. In which case, I certainly have no problem with it. In a best case scenario, it gives the federal government jurisdiction if local governments wont act, and in a worst case scenario, nothing changes and some racists get pissed off. --- It ok Hameru. Rabu. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IShall_Run_Amok 02/26/20 9:26:53 PM #28: |
The appropriate response to this is not a felony.
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Questionmarktarius 02/26/20 9:28:29 PM #29: |
AlisLandale posted...
In which case, I certainly have no problem with it. In a best case scenario, it gives the federal government jurisdiction if local governments wont act, and in a worst case scenario, nothing changes and some racists get pissed off.The text of the bill essentially bans the KKK, and probably also the various "Storm" something or others. Let's go watch south freak out. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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brestugo 02/26/20 9:29:25 PM #30: |
The_Ivory_Man posted...
This would make it above a murder now, which is handled by the state.It simply criminalizes lynching at the federal level. The law is desirable because some states historically weren't exactly eager to pass or enforce anti-lynching legislation and those states may weaken or simply not enforce anti-lynching laws in the future. --- It's not about the size of the dog in the fight, it's about the size of the fight in the dog. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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brestugo 02/26/20 9:31:49 PM #31: |
AlisLandale posted...
After looking it up, it seems a strong motivating factor is as a symbolic gesture. there have been attempts to make lynching a federal crime At least 240 attempts to criminalize lynching federally since 1918. --- It's not about the size of the dog in the fight, it's about the size of the fight in the dog. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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jumi 02/26/20 9:32:05 PM #32: |
Always a Kentucky politician embarassing us Kentuckians.
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realnifty1 02/26/20 9:39:17 PM #33: |
About 100 yeas too late, but it also doesn't exactly do what you might think if I'm reading it right.
So lynching as we most understand it already falls under the statute being amended here as it would qualify as a Hate Crime. The added section labeled as lynching defines itself as conspiracy to violate Civil Rights, commit a hate crime, or infringe on religious beliefs. Ultimately I end with mixed feelings on this as conspiracy to violate Civil Rights could see an awfully broad application. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 02/26/20 9:39:48 PM #34: |
brestugo posted...
It simply criminalizes lynching at the federal level.Read it. It "simply" makes conspiracy to commit a civil rights offense equally punishable as actually committing a civil rights offense. SEC. 3. LYNCHING. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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brestugo 02/26/20 9:44:43 PM #35: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Read it. It "simply" makes conspiracy to commit a civil rights offense equally punishable as actually committing a civil rights offense. No problem. Manson is a murderer not because he personally killed anyone but because he conspired with others to kill. It's an old precedent. --- It's not about the size of the dog in the fight, it's about the size of the fight in the dog. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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antfair 02/26/20 9:45:51 PM #36: |
Congressmen, not senators
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Questionmarktarius 02/26/20 9:47:39 PM #37: |
brestugo posted...
No problem. Manson is a murderer not because he personally killed anyone but because he conspired with others to do kill. It's an old precedent.Okay, that makes way more sense than whatever my Orwell/Rand paranoia was spinning up. Thanks for that. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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1NfamousACE_2 02/26/20 9:56:20 PM #39: |
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1232845324034695170?s=20
Conspiracy IMO is just as bad as the actual crime, so I believe he's wrong. --- Brady will never receive a HOF vote. He has been blackballed for cheating. - DeadCellReborn ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Crazyman93 02/26/20 10:26:15 PM #42: |
Mr Hangman posted...
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1232845319664218112 That's very good reasoning, granted I may be saying this because his logic of "it's already illegal" is in line with my own thinking on the matter. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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