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JuanCarlos1 posted...

This is kinda silly. There should be space for both realistic and more stylistic characters. Imagine chun li without her iconic thunder thighs or Marcus Fenix without a big body and muscles. Fiction would be freaking boring if it tried to imitate real life all the time. MS can get fucked with this.

Literally nothing here says you cant have that and that there isnt space for both.

honest question: can anyone here read? Do you guys actually comprehend things, or do you just sort of glance at them and then somehow convince yourself you know what was said?

WalkingPlague posted...

why are you so emotional? are you incapable of having a conversation without cussing?

Im emotional because sexism and misogyny is a bad thing that hurts people, and I care about combating it. I think that actually, treating half of the world like shit is a bad thing people should have feelings about. I also am personally annoyed by people who say stupid shit and use disingenuous arguments. Hope that helps. Being emotional doesnt prevent you from making valid arguments.

I choose to specifically combat the idea of respectability politics and that people on the left have to be constantly emotionless and polite while all you fuckers get to endlessly throw tantrums about the tiniest fucking things and throw insults around like youre upset on the playground.

Yes. I am incapable of having a conversation without cussing. Go fuck yourself.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I think that shit is lame as fuck bro.

lol. But it never happens, no one ever says that thing you just said!

gamers: god why wont feminists shut the fuck up about toxic masculinity, what does that even mean? Stupid feminists

also gamers: why dont feminists ever care about unrealistic body standards for men, and expecting them to never show feelings or cry, and expecting them to be strong all the time!? Why wont anyone think of the men!?

Guys. Come on. Connect the fucking dots.

Lonestar2000 posted...

Don't bother responding to Neon, dude is about as mature as a fifth grader.

Ill be honest, I cant be bothered to remember which people I should or shouldnt engage with (really its all of them that I shouldnt) so I just treat them all the same. I.e badly

xlr_big-coop posted...

And even then they're a minority in the hobby yet the industry bends over backwards for them. I remember them trying to pass mobile games like candy crush as the same thing as else ring just to boost their numbers. Bullshit.

a minority in the hobby

46 percent of gamers are women, according to the gaming industry itself doing research on this. Thats only technically a minority, kind of like how you technically should shut the fuck up but wont.

do you guys ever just like, listen to yourselves? Almost every woman I know plays videogames. My current partner is a huge nerd and so were most of the others. Youre LITERALLY just saying girls dont play games, girls are for boys, neener neener. Using slightly bigger words for the same concept doesnt make you sound any less ridiculous. Grow the fuck up.

even if women werent damn near half of the hobby, which they are, you should WANT THEM TO BE. More gamers is a good thing for the industry and our hobby, you gatekeeping fucker.

Vyrulisse posted...

Nobody ever complains about male characters being above 6ft tall gigachads more often than not but if a woman is a buxom beauty suddenly there are entire thinkpieces written about why it's wrong. So tired of the nonsense. Women are allowed to be sexy in videogames, they are not real life.

This conversation is so fucking tired and played out I don't even want to go into details as to why there is a concentrated attack on femininity from these mega corporations and their minions. Anyone who denies it's happening is either intentionally dishonest or naive.

Lord its so annoying that you people keep parroting the exact same untrue thing over and over again. Guess Im nobody, because I complain about both things all the time.

Similarly, as Ive already said and will have to say eight million more times because you people are NPCs with one line of dialogue, no one is saying women cant be sexy in videogames. Just that we dont need every single one of them to be sexy and in the same ways over and over again.

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

Normal women like seeing attractive men and women in games, only a small minority are asking for butch, ugly women yet they never complain about 6 pack abs handsome men.

Nobody is asking for exclusively butch, ugly women, and many of the people who want more diversity in games absolutely talk about unrealistic male body standards. I am in fact doing it right now, and earlier in the topic. the millions of overmuscled perfect dudes are a problem also. In fact I was happy to see a fat blacksmith in FF7 Rebirth a couple days back that wasnt a joke, its just how he was.

crazy how your never so swiftly becomes a lie, just like the part where you pretend people are asking for something they arent.

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

This stupidity is why they will lose money and deservingly so. Stop pandering to people who were never going to buy your product and pissing off the people who actually do buy your product.

Its always telling that you people think youre the only ones who buy the product. Its literally unironically girls dont play videogames and you have no shame saying it.

dave_is_slick posted...

Then they can say that. As it stands, they blatantly said a real woman is unrealistic. To use an extreme example, this is like Trump saying some fuck shit and his cultists swoop in saying what he "really" meant.

No, its really not. Its pretty clear to me that was the intention.

UAZaqwert posted...

Anyone being honest with themselves has certainly noticed this trend of western devs making the female characters in video games unattractive on purpose. The make them more mannish looking, less feminine, etc.

It's crazy how what the customer actually wants is never fractured into ANY of these missions statements. You are selling a product, isn't it smart to actually do things your customers like? Nobody likes ugo-female characters in games except ugo-female activists who don't even play games.

You find yourself confused because youre making insane assumptions based on nothing.

dave_is_slick posted...

...You can't be serious.

It wasnt put the best way, but I believe what they mean is it is not realistic to expect or pressure all women to look that way, or to portray all women in games that way.

Shadowblade posted...

Of the last video game you played. Where you must live and survive a new life. What's the first thing you would do/seek out?

For me it was Genshi Impact and I would seek out my main and ask for guidance.

Persona 3. Chances are, Im fine, especially given I dont live in Japan. The real issue would be making a new life in a world where I dont have a birth certificate or any job history or a credit score. So actually, Im fucked.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Fat men don't really have a problem getting representation in the first place. That's why you never see that complaint.

Literally the most famous video game character of all time is fat

meanwhile every single famous and beloved female videogame character (you know, all 6 of them) is conventionally attractive and thin, usually with large breasts. The only exceptions to that last bit I can think of are like.. Peach and Aerith. (They play into the women must be pure and innocent side of the stereotypes.)

NihonOctopus posted...

So you're only pretending to like butts?

No, the joke is pretending to take it seriously and say my opinion is correct

that said, my opinion is correct

Sufferedphoenix posted...

As said it was only brought up in this case as a counter argument. I never see it brought up as the main point. Even if it does happen it's far less often by a long shot.

Never once in my life seen a fat man say he wished fat men where more represented in media. Not saying it's never happened but it's so much a rare thing it's not really worth bringing it up in these conversations

Its brought up as the main point all the time. Just, again, not in the circles you apparently pay attention to. Maybe the reason you only see it as a counter argument is because you hang out in too many spaces full of people whining about feminism and saying but what about the men.

also, fat men have to say that way less because fat men have always been represented in the media. Unrealistic body standards and general fat shaming still need to be addressed though.

ellis123 posted...

There was a study from a couple decades ago that found that the reason that humans have developed large breasts in the first place is because of butt + hip size increasing over time. Thus without big butts there would have never been big breasts.

Understanding that you are actively calling breasts mediocre.

gottem

Prestoff posted...

Let them fight, this topic was already a dumpster fire so might as well let boobs and butts clash with each other while the rest of us watch and laugh.

Youre taking this too seriously lol, I was only joking around. Cant speak for the other guy though

kage_53 posted...

I kind of agree. I remember when I first played soul caliber 2 when it came out and I was smh at Taki and Ivy.

A butt takes effort to look good. Boobs are genetic.

some butts are genetic, but yes. A good butt is something that can be aspired to, achieved. Also, a good butt can be on anyone of any sex and any gender. Butts are egalitarian. All hail butts.

NihonOctopus posted...

Your idea isnt correct tho. Prove to us that butts are better

Im not going to prove shit because this isnt a serious argument

NihonOctopus posted...

You're on the losing side

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/738fa4cc.jpg

Correct ideas always have to struggle against the wrong ones at the start.

:p

Sufferedphoenix posted...

Thing is men dont cry about it. I've never liked when people get offended on someone else's behalf when that group isn't even bothered by it.

And that's even giving the benefit of the doubt cause I only see it brought up as a counter argument to this.

Men were literally JUST crying about it. (Which is fine, men are allowed to cry.)
men: nobody cares about unrealistic male body standards!
evil woke feminists: we do actually
you: nobody asked

bro.

as for your point that you only see it brought up as a counter argument, uh. How often do you listen to actual feminists and have conversations with them about things like this? Because breaking down toxic masculinity is sort of their whole thing and it helps men too.

UnfairRepresent posted...

What's the betting that all the men all look like male models while rocking brickhouse abs and biceps the size of their head?

But a woman with large tits is harmful to body identity.

That first things also harmful to body identity. Welcome to feminism 101. Turns out we care about men and harmful stereotypes about them, too.

NihonOctopus posted...

Most people do tho >_> That's like saying "Not everyone's idea of a good desert is chocolate cake"

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8cfc5b1e.jpg

My ex hated chocolate. And personally, Im more of a butt/hips/thighs/face person. You dont need big boobs to be attractive.

streamofthesky posted...

Get fucked Microsoft. I'm so glad your gaming division is utterly tanking. Normally more competition is a good thing, but you've been a cancer on console gaming for two decades now, always the tip of the spear on nearly every horrible change to console gaming.

Also gotta love how no one ever complains about all the dudes who could only look so insanely jacked as they do in games if they were downing tons of steroids daily, but a regular healthy woman w/ nice T&A is "unrealistic" and gets a legion of critics.

You realize the main group concerned with getting rid of unhealthy body standards for men is feminists. Right? People complain about that all the time bud, you just dont listen to them.

action52 posted...

It's so hard to have discussions on things like this because so many gamers see all these things in absolute terms.

If you say we should try to have more female characters that aren't sexualized people go "Oh, so female game characters can NEVER be SEXY?"

If you say it's unrealistic to have games filled with female characters who all have tiny waists and giant boobs so maybe let's more variety of body types people go "Oh so if a REAL LIFE WOMAN has big boobs that means SHE'S NOT REALISTIC?"

If you say we should avoid female characters with no agency who serve only as damsels in distress for the male protagonist to save, people say "Oh so NO MAN can ever help ANY WOMAN or it's sexist?"

No one is expecting all games to follow all of the "rules" 100%. No one is saying games will be forced to follow them. There are no negative consequences for not following them. Are they even rules? More like suggestions. Seems to me like they're saying, hey, here are a bunch of guidelines, and maybe when you're making your games try to move a little bit in this direction? Thanks, we appreciate it.

It's like people are intentionally missing the point and reducing everything to the stupidest terms possible just so we can't have real discussions. It's exhausting.

They have the same ulterior motive as every person who has ever stood in the way of social progress. They probably dont even know it and its all unconscious, but theyre threatened by the removal of privilege.

Now I get to see a bunch of dudes freak out because I said the P word.

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I agree with you partially, but it seemed pretty clear this statement wasnt actually meant to mean every single man ever to exist and was just an off the cuff comment about some dudes. The hair trigger the mods are on is strange. I blame Fandom. That said, I was mostly explaining to him why he got modded, with a decent amount of griping added in.

It is gratifying to hear someone else agree it was unfair though, lol.

Gurifisu posted...

I stand by my original statement. The moderation only validates my claim. Fuck misogynists.

You were moderated because you said its just a dude thing and the mods took that to mean you were making a sweeping statement about all men. They dont like when you say a bad thing about any particular group. I got moderated for calling an unnamed political party in some country I cant be specific about, a negative thing I cant be specific about thats about disliking other groups of people, because they havent stopped siding with unnamed bad guys I cant say, because if I use any identifying factors whatsoever Ill probably get moderated for suggesting Im hinting at implying a bad thing about a group.

IM
haarlem1982 posted...

Well, yeah, throwing 500k a year at various charities/medical research things is a drop in an ocean, sure.

But, what if that 500k could partially be invested into something that tuirns it into more than 500k and use the rest to fund or set up an organisation that works on actual solutions for existing problems instead of fighting the sypthoms of said problems?

Not saying i have all the solutions, because I don't, but I'd rather try to help create a better world for all than saving what, 200 people from bad things while billions continue to suffer without hope of improvement

I think you might be underestimating the difficulty and cost of these things, but yes, probably you could help more than 3 people a year.

haarlem1982 posted...

Quite an interesting topic this one.

I see a lot of people choosing the beans to be able to help their loved ones.
While this is at its core a noble approach, 3 senzu beans a year means saving 3 people a year.

Think about what could be done with 500k a year to make the lives of EVERYBODY on the planet better when invested properly

Not much? How much money do you think 500k is?

You could definitely save more lives in general, but everybody on the planet? Not quite.

These are also lives that could be saved by many many other people, and the senzu beans are basically able to save lives that cant be saved. Plus, personally Id only be using most of them for other people. The value to myself is worth so much more than the money.

texanfan27 posted...

Ill take the money, afraid of the after bathroom use of eating the senzu. If it keeps you full for 7 days, I dont want to know how that plays when time to use the bathroom.

also money is better in this case

I know youre trying to be funny, but that doesnt make any sense bud. You know how the digestive system works right? Do you thinkk the magic bean is like expanding in your stomach or creating a mass of food?

silly billy.

Sonic_Cannon posted...

Probably the beans

I'm assuming they can't indefinitely prolong life though. It wouldn't make sense for 3 beans a year to provide immortality and reverse all aspects of aging.

What do you mean wouldnt make sense, theyre magic lol

deoxxys posted...

I mean you can cure three people's cancer a year? It doesn't solve cancer

. AND?

youve still cured cancer for three people a year

deoxxys posted...

Doesn't work or else they would have cured Goku's sickness with it

Edit: Oh TC is talking about a special senzu bean that can do this?

Well you can't sell them so what's the point

curing cancer?

This topic is ironically making me more concerned about people on gamefaqs than most.

LonelyStoner posted...

Im not fighting any world ending threat, so the money

I too would give up the cure for cancer and heart disease because Im not fighting a world ending threat.

wait

itachi15243 posted...

Money.

As much as I want the beans, I could live comfortably forever with that money. And if someone found out about the beans, that could make life hard.

if by forever you mean until you die because you dont have senzu beans, then sure.

Bass posted...

Money. Can't say I've ever been in bad enough shape to need a senzu.

You will be though. Welcome to aging.

KI_Simpson posted...

You're lying about what I said and then blaming me for responding to it. I never told you to explain anything, you also explained something on your own, then went on to mock the person you explained it to instead of just fucking saying that you didn't want to explain it. You proved my point that you would respond with extreme hostility if someone implied you had done something wrong, and I am starting to feel physically sick because of this stupid "did I word this in a way that no one could possibly misinterpret?" game you're using against me, no more engagement.

I explained things to them despite the fact I dont have to, because they kept acting like I had to. Again, did you even read it all? Your response doesnt really take into account basically anything I said, now or earlier. You seem fixated on one specific thing where you think Im referring to you when Im referring to the earlier poster you decided to run in and defend.

This literally has nothing to do with you wording it the wrong way, or misinterpreting. Unless youre somehow just saying the exact opposite of what you mean and thats what you mean by wording.

I also dont think you know what extreme hostility is. You implied I did something wrong. I have explained to you that I didnt. Literally no clue what your problem is at this point, if Im being honest. You seem to be having an argument with some totally different person that isnt me.

KI_Simpson posted...

You are still going out of your way to ignore what I said the potential problem was. I didn't say... why the fucking hell am I giving myself nausea trying to word things in a perfect way you won't (quite possibly intentionally) misunderstand!? Knowing what information about being antiracist is accurate can be difficult if you're neurodivergent (and no, you don't get to speak for every neurodivergent person who can type GameFAQs messages), and you are a massive hypocrite for demanding I explain every detail of it because you are pretending I said literally typing the question into Google was the issue.

Literally typing it into Google is how you find the information. I dont know what else to tell you. It isnt difficult to figure out whats accurate any more than it is any other thing ever. pretending like being neurodivergent somehow makes it too hard, and that telling people to google it rather than teaching them is ableist, is fucking ridiculous. That is literally your point: how dare you not explain things to people at length and tell them to Google it, thats ableist. No, no it fucking isnt. Not my job. If they cant Google it, or cant tell whats accurate on their own, seek other routes of education, get friends to help you, whatever. Still isnt my fucking problem, still their responsibility.

I am not asking you to explain anything at this point. Youre doing that all on your own, for some reason. My only real question was why dont you explain what your problem is. After that, rhetorical questions only. Theres no hypocrisy here, and I dont need or want you to spell out your bizarre reasoning. Maybe youd feel better if you didnt assume everyone speaking to you is purposely misunderstanding you.

KI_Simpson posted...

Yeah, you're clearly just trolling at this point. I said knowing what was accurate information on a concept like being antiracist in everyday life was something it might be hard to figure out, and you fucking jumped to "you said neurodivergent people can't use Google!!!" And vomiting up "neurodivergence isn't an excuse!" because I dared suggest it might make anything more difficult is something I'm willing to call ableist, fuck that catchphrase. So go look up why I fucking hate that phrase so much.

You can literally just google it. This isnt some arcane info thats hard to find. Thats why its so silly to expect every random person to explain it to you if they so much as mention that privilege exists and everyone has racism taught to them, which is the thing that actually happened. If its hard for you to figure out, thats still *not the problem of POC.* neurodivergent or not.

again, Im literally disabled and neurodivergent. I did not say neurodivergence isnt an excuse because you said it might make things more difficult. I said its not an excuse to be an asshole. I never refuted it could make things more difficult. You still have to do it.

I jumped to Google because that is the route by which it is easy to learn these things. Not sure why that isnt clear to you. There are plenty of neurodivergent people and disabled people that may have difficulty learning these things on Google. But Im pretty sure theyre not regularly posting on gamefaqs whining about not having systemic racism explained to them.

KI_Simpson posted...

Yes, it is hostile to tell someone they're wrong (and include no reasons) while ending with a sarcastic "bud." I didn't ask you to explain anything, I said mocking people for asking what you wanted them to do when you had already been engaged in conversation about the topic wasn't fair. If I called you ableist for the first post of yours I responded to, drew out explaining why I had called you that, and then when I finally did explain* shamed you for making me explain it instead of looking it up on your own, would you say I was being completely reasonable?

*In case you're curious, assuming you know what someone picked up from being immersed in society and saying it's easy to accurately educate yourself on a social issue like race just by looking it up online does not hold true for neurodivergent people. I wouldn't necessarily go to calling someone ableist for not taking that into account immediately, but assuming how neurotypical people respond to things is how everyone does it is a symptom of a systemic discrimination issue.

Bro what the fuck are you talking about? Drew out? Did you actually read this whole topic or just read the last couple things and make assumptions? Im not going to explain how conversations work to you.

Im neurodivergent. Im not assuming shit. If youre here posting on gamefaqs theres literally no excuse. Being neurodivergent doesnt absolve you from doing research, and for most people it doesnt prevent researching things. Neurodivergence is never an excuse for being an asshole, a sentiment that the many neurodivergent people in my life all agree with.

What are you even trying to say here? You are stretching extremely hard. Yes, if you told me I was being ableist and I didnt understand and you said its not my job to explain this to you, Id go damn, you right, I better go look it up instead of acting like a little fucking baby about it.

Luckily Im pretty well versed on ableism as well, and youre not making any actual points here. Other than the weird assumption that a neurodivergent person posting on gamefaqs cant use Google. What kind of weird point is that? Its ableist to assume a person can use Google if theyre on gamefaqs. No. Shut up.

KI_Simpson posted...

It is what I saw happen to the best of my recollection, and vague, hostile answers don't convince me I misinterpreted it.

lmao. Hostile.

Why dont you explain exactly what the problem you have is? That Im not explaining allyship to every white person in the entire world? Little confused as to what youre actually expecting here.

KI_Simpson posted...

If you're drawing out conversations where you tell someone they're racist for a reason you are being vague about, you lose the basis for saying you aren't obligated to get involved. Especially with a question as basic as "what do you want me to do?"

That sure isnt what happened, bud.

Error1355 posted...

How the hell did a copy/pasta turn into 400+ posts?

I'm not going to read this whole thread to figure out what happened.

people ignored the copy/pasta and just talked about moderating and then woodenrook started doing their thing

WoodenRook posted...

I'm going back to your other post, but in the meantime...

Why would you want a doctor that doesn't want to treat you to provide that level of care?

Bud, literally no one, absolutely not anyone, is talking about doctors not wanting to treat people. Hasnt been brought up once in this topic.

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I am fairly certain bigot is moddable. Literally was told in this topic by a mod that you cant call a racist a racist even if they are a racist. I dont see why bigot would be different.

I dont know WHY you cant call a racist a racist, but thats another issue.

WoodenRook posted...

You didn't answer the question. Why would insults not be deleted?

I actually agree with this one. if something is bad enough to be moderated, meaning its against the rules to post it, and presumably its against the rules because its harmful to post.. why would it not be deleted?

if its harmless enough to leave up, why is it against the rules? Ive never understood NWD.

WoodenRook posted...

^ This is how it happens.

And yet you absolutely will not be moderated for any of this.

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pretty much yeah.

FortuneCookie posted...

I think if you're going to judge white people collectively as privileged bigots, yes, you could do the courtesy of explaining what they might do to not raise your ire.

Its not a judgement, its an unfortunate fact about society and systemic racism. Thats why its.. systemic. Because people are born into a racist system and taught racism, and theyre born into privilege. That isnt a judgement. Its reality.

bigotry comes when you refuse to acknowledge that reality and unlearn taught racism.

It really isnt my job to explain anything to you. Im saying what I am already out of the goodness of my heart. There is an entire internet full of useful information on this exact subject. It is very easy to educate yourself. Better than I could, even.

WoodenRook posted...

I didn't say for you. I'm claiming that you're trying to set up a moderation for me.

shockthemonkey is a different person. And them claiming you said something isnt going to get you moderated unless you ACTUALLY SAID IT.