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YoukaiSlayer
10/27/22 12:35:32 AM
#498
Count_Drachma posted...
Wait, you mean NF doesn't have the whole thing at once? That's so annoying.
Presumably correct, only 7 episodes are out.

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YoukaiSlayer
10/26/22 6:43:09 AM
#496
Count_Drachma posted...
Is that isekai uncle anime any good?
Yeah, it's first episode is kinda weak, but it just gets better and better (once the girl character gets introduced, it's good). It's kind of on hiatus. It was supposed to air last season and did until episode 7, but then it stopped airing cause they got behind schedule enough and now they started airing it this season from the beginning again. I think it's still a few weeks until we get episode 8.

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YoukaiSlayer
10/24/22 10:16:35 PM
#491
Lol. I hope that umineko eventually gets a new full anime adaptation cause it's premise is pretty fun.

The gundam anime is starting to disappoint me. The main issue is that the main character is just too indecisive and shy and virtually every line she speaks is an embarassed quiet stutter for like 4 episodes now. I expected the story would get to war a lot faster than it seems like it's going to so I didn't think it'd be too big of an issue but with this school arc going on, her annoying personality is front and center the whole time.

Even if they want to keep going on with the school thing, that could have been fine if main girl would just get a bit more comfortable and start coming out of her shell a bit but they have taken way too long for that.

They did at least tease some very tense situations back on earth that will presumably lead to a war. The sooner it happens, the better.

Oh, also the second fight which is the only fight that was a real fight felt very stupid. The aerials drone weapons are overpowered and are enough to win easily. Why does she even use anything else? She fought with a blaster for a while and started getting beat and only turned it around when she started using the drone weapon, which immiedately blew up the other guys shield. After that, instead of finishing with the drones, she whips out her sword and does the only thing that could possibly lead to her defeat. She does win anyway, but it just felt like a very dumb fight where she isn't using her best weapon for no plausible reason.

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TopicAnime, Manga, VN, JRPG, Related Things Discussion Topic XCIX
YoukaiSlayer
10/22/22 10:46:52 PM
#488
So like, is this actually the best anime season of all time? It's got action, it's got comedy, it's got ecchi, it's got mecha, it's got whatever the fuck akiba maid war is. I guess for me it's only missing something truly amazing like mushoku tensei or kingdom but I think for most people chainsaw man would fill that role.

Also watched and caught up on bocchi the rock and it's great and has yuri. The most yuri season of all time as well. This show is great though and the animation and how dumb it can make bocchi look are hilarious. Both it and DIY are easy to watch comfort shows with unique and incredibly animation.

I'm watching like 20 shows this season. I think actually just 19 but those a few more I'm considering.

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YoukaiSlayer
10/20/22 8:10:39 PM
#487
Judgmenl posted...
I think everyone here will like Akiba Maid. Yes even you helly.
Every episode is a fever dream and it's great. Even though basically only ranka and manager-san are real characters but thats fine. I still don't know why manager-san doesn't just tell ranka to murder everyone and steal the money and make her escape to hawaii.

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YoukaiSlayer
10/20/22 2:30:48 PM
#485
Renai flops is fuckin weird. I really wish they would have mentioned the one important question. Why the fuck all these girls going along with this?

Second anime this season that takes place in the future with a potential gay/lesbian pairing where they go "bro, it's the future, stop being weird about this, it's normal now". I'm down for that. However, in renai flops I'm like 90% sure the boy is actually a girl given the changing room scene. This show seems like it should have been an uncensored ecchi with how they are willing to be a fair bit more sexual than the average ecchi but oh well. Pink hair girl best girl so far. Teacher being on the ceiling was pretty funny.

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YoukaiSlayer
10/17/22 1:48:37 PM
#482
Oh sweet, we got a yuri kiss (disguised as giving antidote orally) in novice alchemist. I'll take it. Also damn that show went from 0 to 100 real fast. Main girl just carving out livers and plucking out eyeballs with her hands.

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TopicAnime, Manga, VN, JRPG, Related Things Discussion Topic XCIX
YoukaiSlayer
10/13/22 6:19:34 PM
#478
Judgmenl posted...
Unless RaRo made another ASMR anime?
They did.

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YoukaiSlayer
10/13/22 5:09:52 PM
#476
It appears no one is subbing that asmr yuri short series for this season. It was virtually impossible to even find it but apparently it airs on their youtube channel instead of any real platform. It feels like this shouldn't be able to exist. Like some random asmr youtuber got an anime made for them.

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TopicAnime, Manga, VN, JRPG, Related Things Discussion Topic XCIX
YoukaiSlayer
10/12/22 5:03:34 PM
#471
Man, wednesday is anime day this season. It's got mob psycho S3, DIY, immoral guild, eminence in the shadows, sword isekai, and now renai flops.

Eminence kind of reminds me of the reincarnated worlds greatest assassin from a few seasons back. I wonder how long the joke of him making shit up that happens to be true will go for. This show has some pretty solid animation for the fights. Will probably watch it to the end.

Renai flops is a pretty generic ecchi school romcom made by passione who have probably become my favorite ecchi studio ( they've done harem labyrinth and isekai reviewers recently). Main guy gets flashed once and molested by a dog twice in the first episode so thats something. I like generic ecchi highschool romcoms so I'm likely in it until the end. Pretty cool that it's an anime original as well.

Mob psycho has been pretty low key this season so far. Almost boring. Hoping a real arc picks up before long.

Sword isekai is pretty great still. Fran is awesome.

DIY feels like it will be very consistent and pleasant with strong yuri undertones. A very pleasant thing to end the long day of anime with each week.

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TopicAnime, Manga, VN, JRPG, Related Things Discussion Topic XCIX
YoukaiSlayer
10/11/22 2:11:01 PM
#470
Whelp, chainsaw man has started. The action definitely hits better in anime form, IMO. Time for a month of more "fuck makima" posts I guess.

Also watched another episode of that ninja anime and it's still kinda meh and STILL just the setup really. Will take one more episode to see more what it'll actually be like.

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YoukaiSlayer
10/11/22 8:44:23 AM
#469
dragon504 posted...
I really want a "kai" version for Naruto/Bleach/One Piece. Naruto and Bleach would be easy, since they're done and they could do One Piece arc by arc.
There's fan versions of those. Bleach one is literally called bleach kai. One piece has one piece kai for pre time skip and one pace for post time skip. Haven't looked up naruto but I think I heard it mentioned there is one.

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TopicAnime, Manga, VN, JRPG, Related Things Discussion Topic XCIX
YoukaiSlayer
10/10/22 4:36:32 PM
#465
Ok wtf?!? Akiba maid war was not what I expected at all. Holy shit! It's like if every maid was that one killer maid from black lagoon

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TopicAnime, Manga, VN, JRPG, Related Things Discussion Topic XCIX
YoukaiSlayer
10/10/22 3:02:20 PM
#463
hera posted...
bleach had a lot of filler, fortunately it wasn't egregious like Naruto where the majority of it is filler, but
164 of the 366 episodes were filler. That's still pretty bad.

Although honestly I made it through the shitty bount arc and quit during the next story arc. The fighting had become dbz levels of nonsensical. Every shonen I've watched except hunterxhunter has it's best fights at the beginning before the characters actually get strong. I'd be willing to bet one piece is also better later on but I only got like 150 episodes into that as well and it's early fights (in the anime at least) are trash so not a very high bar to overcome.

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TopicAnime, Manga, VN, JRPG, Related Things Discussion Topic XCIX
YoukaiSlayer
10/10/22 11:14:41 AM
#459
This novice alchemist anime is nice. Just watched episode 2. Got some quality yuribait and is a very comfy show. This is the season of yuri.

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YoukaiSlayer
10/10/22 6:32:31 AM
#457
I watched more than married episode 1 and it was ok. The main guy is pretty lame so far but it seems like the kinda thing where he will grow.

Started this season of mob pyscho and it's fine. They haven't really gotten into anything yet.

Watched episode 1 of immoral guild. Definitely not as good as harem labyrinth of last month in either ecchi or fantasy elements but it's watchable ecchi trash so far.

Watched the first episode of legend of mana because kevin penkin did the theme song but it was a pretty trash first episode. The animation and directing felt poor and nothing really grabs you.

Also checked out the first episode of the new bleach thing. I only watched like 120 eps of the original but it's the show that got me to watch subs in the first place (because I ran out of dubbed episodes and had to know what happened next) which opened up tons of anime for me. It seems like a fairly quality production and it also feels like it wouldn't be too hard to watch this despite not having come anywhere near finishing the original series, but I also don't know if I care enough to bother.

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TopicAnime, Manga, VN, JRPG, Related Things Discussion Topic XCIX
YoukaiSlayer
10/06/22 7:50:43 AM
#442
Judgmenl posted...
I am only 9 minutes into the first episode, but Do It Yourself!! is fantastic.
I just finished it and I agree. Better than I expected. Also damn, yuri fans like me eatin good this season. There's at least soft yuri in like 60% of the shows I've checked out. Would never have expected gundam to be the most yuri of them all. What a magical season.

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TopicAnime, Manga, VN, JRPG, Related Things Discussion Topic XCIX
YoukaiSlayer
10/05/22 12:47:28 PM
#438
Sword isekai is pretty good. Second episode is out. Fran is adorable and badass at the same time, all the time. This and gundam are the best new shows for me so far.

I also watched eminence in the shadows and it was ok. Similar to the ninja show yesterday, I feel like this prologue doesn't really show us what the show will actually be like but I'm invested enough to at least watch the next episode. I expect it to be a forgettable 7/10 show but a lot of people hyped the source up so maybe it'll surprise me.

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YoukaiSlayer
10/05/22 1:05:57 AM
#437
Supposedly it was cause of bilibili strict censorship rules or something. Anyway theres already a non censored version out thankfully.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/5/9/AAIKvIAADvwr.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/6/0/AAIKvIAADvws.jpg

Hilarious that they bothered to censor it in the first place. The first episode overall was kinda mediocre. A lot of dumb decisions they just don't want you to question and main guy has no real personality yet. Still will probably give it one more episode because this one was basically just a prologue.

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TopicAnime, Manga, VN, JRPG, Related Things Discussion Topic XCIX
YoukaiSlayer
10/04/22 9:17:22 AM
#429
Wow, that new ninja anime has maybe the worst censorship I've ever seen. A girl in her underwear had the most obnoxiously bright light censoring I've ever seen.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/4/7/AAIKvIAADvnH.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/4/8/AAIKvIAADvnI.jpg
Look at this shit. She isn't even naked, you can see that she is wearing underwear.

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TopicAnime, Manga, VN, JRPG, Related Things Discussion Topic XCIX
YoukaiSlayer
10/03/22 10:13:05 AM
#427
Watched episode 1 of novice alchemist. It feels very heavily inspired by atelier ryza in particular. A fair amount of soft yuribait and an ok setup. I expect it'll be a comfy cute show but nothing special. Will keep watching.

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TopicAnime, Manga, VN, JRPG, Related Things Discussion Topic XCIX
YoukaiSlayer
10/02/22 7:09:06 AM
#422
YURI?!? In my gundam? You love to see it. This is everything I could want in a gundam. The mechs look really cool, the animation is great, the music is great, the corporate war story backdrop is great, and it has space lesbians! Woohoo! This is what gundam would look like if I made it.

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TopicAnime, Manga, VN, JRPG, Related Things Discussion Topic XCIX
YoukaiSlayer
10/02/22 6:36:03 AM
#421
Finished up kingdom S4 and damn, what a show. I expected this season to be weak because it was a regrouping and strength building section of the plot after the insane huge battles of season 3 but they managed to make it great. I kind of wish they would remake at least season 1 if not 2 as well because it's such a shame poor animation in those seasons keeps people away from one of the GOATs.

This season I've started some stuff. Two cat girl fantasy shows already. That's just the type of flavor I like in my generic isekai garbage (even though 1 is just a fantasy). The farmer isekai looks geniunely terrible after the first episode. I can't beleive frame 1 they start with such an atrocious cgi dragon. Shit looked like claymation.

Beast tamer (the 2nd of the cat girl fantasy shows) looked fine and generic. I'll probably keep watching it.

I see the new gundam first episode just went up and I have high hopes after it's episode 0 thing it aired a few weeks ago was amazing.

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TopicIs the Cyberpunk Edgerunners anime any good?
YoukaiSlayer
09/30/22 9:23:14 PM
#10
I know this is a few days late but the series is fantastic. Dub is the way to go IMO since they actually speak a variety of languages in the setting and the dub whereas everyone just speaks japanese in the sub and the setting is night city california. Some amazing action scenes with fantastic art direction. The characters are really well done. Unlike 99% of anime it has a good conclusive ending. Really feels like an ideal blend of western media and anime.

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YoukaiSlayer
09/29/22 10:48:25 PM
#414
agesboy posted...
the ENTIRE FUCKING GAME was building up to the themes you despise. like this is the 7th xeno game and you explicitly hated the previous one, maybe this series just isn't for you
I didn't say the theme had no build up, it was just applied inconsistently. The actual stuff the party does had no build up. The game was building up to liberating aionios from Z, not destroying aionios, something that would have happened eventually anyway.

I also quite liked xenoblade 2, just not the ending or really the last 3rd of the game. Xenoblade 1 was similar but it's jump the shark moment was closer to 50% of the way through (stuff with mumkar or whatever the claw guys name was). After seeing the memes of rex's voice acting I expected to hate him but he was really enjoyable until he gave up for no reason in a situation where giving up means death anyway even though he is acting like he can walk away from it. It was a real "shinji, get in the robot" moment except if that happened 2/3rds of the way through eva after shinji had a ton of time to process everything. Then the very end with one of them trying to stay behind and rex being stopped by a 20 foot chasm despite some of the much larger gaps he has closed in other parts of the game. Then the even undo that pointless sacrifice making it extra stupid to have set it up that way in the first place.

The only xenoblade with a solid ending is X, which is ironic because the majority of it's story is garbage. It's like the reverse xenoblade game where only the ending is any good. Although I did find most of xenoblade X's story inoffensive despite it's poor quality. Felt very campy and silly outside of the opening and ending of the game.

Xenoblade 2 especially felt like the classic anime storyline 3 act structure where the first act is the hero's rise, the 2nd act is the low point where the hero falters, then the 3rd act is where they resolve their failure and grow from it. However, anime/jrpg shoehorns this into a lot of stories where it doesn't work or feels stupid like infinite undiscovery or guilty crown. Xenoblade 2 is one such story. And it's not like they couldn't have rex falter, it's just the way they did it made him seem incredibly uncharacteristically stupid.

To use edgerunners as a positive example, it does the same thing. David rise's to power, david goes too hard on the chrome trying to make enough money to send lucy to the moon and keep his crew alive and rich, david redeems himself and has a heroic sacrifice at the end. It's the same structure, but they did all those aspects in ways that actually make sense and don't require the character to pick up the idiot ball or act completely out of character.

Going into xenoblade 3 and maybe even still, it was my favorite jrpg series and thats one of my favorite genres. I love the xenoblade series. The gameplay, exploration, and world building is second to none. It creates places I want to explore and enemies I want to fight and people I want to get to know better than any other series. And when it sticks to small personal stories like in the side quests, the writing usually hits well. The sidequests in xenoblade 3 are the best side quests in video games. I know the names and personality of like 100 NPCs in xenoblade 3. I understand the dynamics of so many people striving their best to survive in this world and make it liveable and peaceful in a place that had only known war. That's why it feels so shit to just crush all that work and say "actually, you don't need to pick up the pieces and strive to find a way to make things work, we'll just delete it all".

I didn't want to dislike this game, I wanted to love it and I'm crushed by how it turned out, but the damage is done, I'm done talking about it. This is my last post on xenoblade for a while.

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TopicAnime, Manga, VN, JRPG, Related Things Discussion Topic XCIX
YoukaiSlayer
09/29/22 5:53:27 AM
#408
Finished up made in abyss S2. Show is still great and still so uncaringly sad and brutal. Can't wait for season 3 to come out in 50 years.

Also started the new season of anime technically. Not sure why but the sword isekai from next season aired an episode earlier than it said before. Was better than I thought but still not amazing and I feel like they traversed the entire powerscale from start to finish in one episode so I'm not really sure where they will go from here. Season starts in earnest in 2 days.

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TopicAnime, Manga, VN, JRPG, Related Things Discussion Topic XCIX
YoukaiSlayer
09/29/22 12:34:33 AM
#407
I said it's on the level of being just a dream. All of Aionios is undone even if we eventually regain the memories in the new world. That's how a dream works. None of the events besides escaping the dream of are of any real consequence. Unfortunately, those events are 95% of what we do throughout the game.

The theme is inconsistent because they don't fight against the status quo of annihilation. They just accept it as unchangeable fact. They don't fight against being torn apart at the end, they just accept it. There's so much they accept and don't fight to change. The story is simultaneously about coming to terms with your lot in life and also about not coming to terms with it and fighting to change it. And from the perspective of our main cast, that have no idea what's going to happen anyway, it's downright irresponsible to destroy the only world they've ever known with everyone they've ever met in it.

If souls somehow lose no energy reincarnating and acting as origin's power source and creating new souls through birth, thats also a pretty physics defying system that lets energy come from nothing, unless each soul is only fraction of the energy of their parents soul. Then theres origin that can magically harness that energy to mend or break realities in just such a random arbitrary way as to allow for this story. It feels so inconsistently applied. But we just give it a pass for some reason to create this story. Maybe thats the better way to phrase it, it feels incredibly contrived. The entire scenario of the story that is. Why can people get teleported into the final boss fight in origin? Why do physical attacks have any affect against a ball of energy infused with a consciousness? Why can only N and M defeat him? They give surface level hand waving for these things but it feels like they just can have anyone do anything at any point without any prep work, like the writer is working with infinite blank checks. It doesn't feel like they set up consistent rules and then worked within those constraints to do something clever and even reasonable.

Then the characters actions within the story are dumb. Most of the cast doesn't even have any idea what they're actually doing in the final boss fight. Nobody bothered to tell all the lost numbers and colonies that success means losing everything you know. Maybe, one day, you'll reincarnate and get those memories back, but maybe you won't, you have no clue. Clearly nobody understands how origin works well enough to have any degree of certainty as they failed to predict this entirely nonsensical creation aionios in the first place. Instead they have blind faith that reality will go against their own understanding of physics and everything will work out, in incredibly irresponsible message.

If they are really going to go with everything being fine afterwards and the worlds separating and that shit, then don't just introduce the entire goal of the main cast during the final boss fight. They should have been discussing what will happen and how people feel about it and probably have to encounter resistance convincing people that aren't ok with that. That's not something to leave between the lines, not when you expect the player to be the ones carrying it out. Why weren't the characters shocked at the end that they'd be split apart? They just accept it off screen and are shown having come to terms with it perfectly, completely resigning themselves to fate.

People come to different conclusions because it's portrayed terribly and all of this stuff is arbitrary with no build up.

I don't know why I'm bothering to type this up. I'm done with the game, I'd moved on, I'm just getting irritated even thinking about it again.

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YoukaiSlayer
09/28/22 7:12:19 PM
#402
I understand plenty, I just disagree with it. And yes, even if there were zero plotholes, I'd still be pissed with a sad ending to a trilogy of games. The story is basically on the level of "it was all just a dream". All it's missing is an amnesiac protagonist to hit all the worst writing tropes.

Additionally, if I play the game and watch everything and pay attention and still didn't understand a mass marketed AAA game, the game fucked up it's storytelling. I shouldn't need 45 minute breakdowns to understand the story and if you look at other peoples impressions of the story, a lot of people reached very different conclusions on what physically happened. The information was conveyed poorly. The entire last fight section was atrocious interrupting the fight every 2 seconds with a cutscene and magical teleporting in allies and deus ex machina left and right.

Why make the world the way it was? Where it all had to be deleted and the future of the concluded trilogy left uncertain? At best it's a story that didn't need to be told hamfisting an inconsistent message about acceptance while fighting the status quo.

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YoukaiSlayer
09/27/22 9:53:47 PM
#396
The soul IS duplicated in the game. We have 2 mio's and 2 noah's at the same time. The mud puppets contain duplicated souls of the originals which is why they have motes during the offseeing.

That video is way too long to watch for something I'm fairly certain won't convince me for a game I've already put behind me. It will continue to live on in my memory as the worst ending of anything of all time. Something that previously xenoblade 2 had been in contention for.

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TopicAnime, Manga, VN, JRPG, Related Things Discussion Topic XCIX
YoukaiSlayer
09/27/22 9:41:35 AM
#394
Finishing all kinds of shows. Classroom of the elite season 2 was decent, black summoner was watchable but just barely, and medical isekai was fine.

Lycoris I have more to say about because it in some ways paralleled the themes of edgerunners that just aired and really helps illustrate why I like edgerunners so much, because lycoris did similar things the normal anime way that is kinda crap.

The naivety of pacifism in a combat role is once again shown as correct which is nonsense. I'd love to see main girl talk to the families of the cleaners that got murdered by the villain after he escaped because she wouldn't kill him. Spoilers for edgerunners and lycoris ahead. In fact, dozens of people die because of her not using live rounds but the show never addresses it and makes it look like she is in the right and it pisses me off because of how often anime does this. Takina, the voice of reason, willing to actually kill when necessary is portrayed as someone who just can't accept the inevitable loss of a friend.

Her acceptance of death was not setup well like david's was in edgerunners. She had ways out. Good ways out even. In edgerunners, david is pretty much fucked right from episode one. The moment he uses the sandevistan at school, his life is over, but if he didn't he'd probably have died regardless, and theres just nothing he could have done. When he does finally push himself over the edge and rebecca accepts that he's going to die and chooses to go with him and help him out consigning herself to sharing in his fate, it works so well. It's how a tragic situation is supposed to feel.

Shit like the situation they setup in lycoris is not how it's supposed to feel. I shouldn't want to yell at the characters for being dumb as hell and not taking the obvious correct choices to get a better outcome and then by chance things work out for the heroes and they don't even have to live with the consequences of their shit choices.

It's not like the show was all bad though. Lycoris has good animation and action and the characters are generally enjoyable to watch outside of key moments and the main characters pacifism. I do hope it gets another season and theres still plenty unresolved and it performed decently so I think theres a solid shot.

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TopicAnime, Manga, VN, JRPG, Related Things Discussion Topic XCIX
YoukaiSlayer
09/23/22 7:35:12 AM
#393
dragon504 posted...
I do hope that if we get a s2, we get proper introductions and not just have that last rush as their intros.
Agreed. The slow pacing and world building was what made the show good so zooming past all the rest of that to near the end seems pointless.

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YoukaiSlayer
09/23/22 1:15:54 AM
#391
Man they could have cut 95% of this weeks danmachi and nothing would have been lost. Honestly even 100% would be relatively inconsequential. They didn't do anything, everyone just talked about the same thing we already knew from last episode. It's like a recap episode except they only recap the last 1 minute of the previous episode.

This season is ending finally. Finished up harem labyrinth and it ended with a bang (or several bangs if you know what i mean). I hope we get more. It was pretty high up on viewership on the site I use so maybe a decent shot.

Also finished vermeil. A very meh show. Watchable but barely. Main guy is easily the least personality I've seen on a protagonist in some time.

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YoukaiSlayer
09/20/22 6:02:44 AM
#387
Just watched all of cyberpunk edgerunners today which was surprisingly awesome. I'm not generally a fan of studio trigger. I feel they go so over the top that everything loses it's meaning, but this was the right level of grounded with some over the top stuff.

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YoukaiSlayer
09/18/22 3:18:31 PM
#384
Wow, continuing my look at next season they have another high school girls do asmr short series and this time it's also an isekai where the guy reincarnates into the microphone the girls use for ASMR. What a premise.

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09/17/22 5:26:12 PM
#383
Kingdom episode is delayed a week, sad. I decided to look at next season and saw a new gundam. It already has a prologue episode out 2 weeks ago and damn, it got me invested. I hope the whole show keeps up that quality. It's been ages since the last full length gundam series.

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09/10/22 10:00:40 AM
#373
Damn, I was wondering why it was taking so long for isekai uncle to come out and it turns out it's postponed and will start airing again FROM EPISODE 1 in October. So it'll be like 3 months until we are getting a new episode. Feels like this kinda stuff is happening more and more.

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09/09/22 7:34:09 PM
#371
Whew, watched episodes 3-10 of made in abyss S2. Still nothing like this show. Everything feels so uncaringly brutal. The characters all seem like they are incredibly tiny and insignificant to the abyss. No environment has ever felt so dangerous. It's a shame only like 4 chapters release a year. It'll be like 5 more years before theres enough for a 3rd season. I just wanna know whats at the bottom.

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09/09/22 9:13:52 AM
#369
Judgmenl posted...
I could just be stupid. It could be a harem trope or something.
I feel like it's becoming more popular lately. Even this season both vermeil and harem labyrinth have quite a lot of physical intimacy, although I guess only for the main girls so far. Maybe harem labyrinth shouldn't count since it's basically hentai but vermeil is definitely a normal ecchi anime that just so happens to have a lot of making out. Oh wait, engage kiss also has a lot of vigorous making out as well. It's the season of the aggressive kiss I guess.

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YoukaiSlayer
09/08/22 9:46:52 PM
#366
Seems like a fairly low key season in general, but at the very least kaguya S3 was popular when it aired just a season or two ago so I don't think romance anime is dead or anything, I just think the ones we have this season are pretty mediocre.

I think with stepmother's daughter is my ex, people expected it to be more spicy, like domestic girlfriend or something, and lost interest when it was actually fairly wholesome. At least, that's what I remember people saying near the start of the season, I only watched the first episode.

Isekai Ojisan is pretty good, I'm glad it's popular. It does have a fair amount of romcom type stuff in it.

I think this is one of the weaker seasons in recent times, although it's still not bad.

I do not look forward to chainsaw man coming out. I did not like what I read of the manga and it's all anyone is gonna be talking about. Hopefully somehow the anime makes me like it, but it feels very nonsensical and abstract and I dislike that. I watched that recent gigguk video about the writer's previous works and all feels like the polar opposite of the stuff I like. Very much focused on being emotional over being logically consistent.

I am interested to see how well it actually does. I feel that works of that type get a hardcore fanbase (like everything trigger does) but usually don't quite breach the most popular stuff like demon slayer or MHA before it. However, I don't know if any have had this level of hype going in.

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09/08/22 8:20:41 PM
#364
Judgmenl posted...
I know none of you care based upon the literal pages of discussion about a game I hate without knowing anything about
I am happy to talk about anything else at this point. Took me a second to realize what kanokari was (rent a girlfriend in english). I think I dropped the first season a few episodes in. I was surprised to see somehow season 2 has a much lower score than season 1. That's pretty rare in general, since people that don't like the show would have generally not watched a season 2. I wonder what happened, but not enough to watch more of it.

In my anime watching, devil is a part timer finally had a somewhat funny episode. It's been a pretty disappointing season from it which is a pretty big letdown after such a long wait. I still can't figure out why they added a baby and it seems most people also dislike that, but even aside from that, the comedy hasn't really hit as well. It's not awful or anything, just kinda boring.

In danmachi the current arc feels kinda weird. It's so similar to what they just did last arc. There's also a lot of yelling someones name and then not actually fucking saying or doing anything else and it's annoyed me this latest episode. It's something I imagine wasn't really meant to be the case in the source material but I guess I don't know.

Kinda surprised I'm saying this about harem labyrinth, but I wish they'd fuck a little less. It's pretty ok ecchi stuff (borderline hentai, but thus far very vanilla) but I still find the dungeon exploring and fantasy slice of life more interesting. This last episode especially had like 5 sex scenes and it gutted the pacing of what they were doing in the dungeon. Still a very enjoyable show.

Overlord continues my same trend where every time the floor guardians aren't involved, it's great, and every time they are, it's annoying and unpleasant. The joke of them thinking he's so smart and omnipotent but really he's panicking and trying to keep up appearances has worn so thin it's see through at this point. We are 4 seasons in and half the cast is still the same joke they were in episode 1.

Vermeil is still whatever. It's exactly what it looks like and the quality is acceptable. The main character is terminally boring but the rest of the cast is ok. Feels like the author would rather be writing shotacon hentai but it is what it is.

Kingdom is still godlike. The latest episode was fantastic. 2 people sitting in a room talking to each has never been so dramatic and the other half of whats going on was great too. This anime sometimes is a little jojo esque.

I'm behind on a few shows. Of them I'm only sure I'll get back to lycoris and summertime render. Summertime render is at the point where I feel like I'll probably just let it finish before getting back to it so I won't be stuck waiting for the mystery to resolve. I'm begging this show to have a good ending. Please. Even just not a terrible one, thats all I ask.

Oh, I also need to get back to made in abyss. I feel less urgency to watch it knowing they won't get to the bottom layer this season (and still haven't in the source). Another anime I pray has a good ending but I feel fairly low faith that it will. I feel like the bottom of the abyss has been built up as such a mystery that it will be incredibly hard to deliver something that lives up to that.

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09/08/22 9:25:32 AM
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adjl posted...
From the perspective of an immortal god, individuals' deaths and rebirths are pretty meaningless. He just sees that as a means to an end, namely minimizing total suffering (as he defines it) by making sure that everything is as predictable as possible. That's a very human bit of egocentrism.
If he doesn't care about individual deaths, then he wouldn't exist in the first place. Honestly it already makes no sense. Like, the worlds are destroyed, and origin's job is to create a new world for everyone to live on and then create clones of them with their experiences. Instead it creates a new world for them all to live on with their clones except not permanently. If it's as you claim and the power he did this with was the annihilation of the universes, then it's already too late to stall out the endless now for the people of alrest and bionis, so theres literally no point to him doing that. They already died anyway. The only difference in the future when it works correctly is that they will make a planet fhat won't have annihilation events. It's so stupid.

adjl posted...
It's stated that it condenses it, but not how or what that means, so there's some room for interpretation there. It's explicitly stated elsewhere that black fog density doesn't correlate with annihilation risk, so it's not simply a matter of "cram enough fog in here then it'll explode," so it has to depend on something else. Then, once the fog begins the annihilation reaction, the cannon shoots it somewhere else to explode.
I can try and see if anyone has all the discussion topics listed but I'm not talking about the normal scene where taion brings up how it works, but a discussion topic that you can find afterwards (that just awards 100 bonus xp) where.

While the black fog's role in annihilation is unclear it could be something as simple as if it collides directly with matter then it annihilates it but that very rarely happens from it just sitting around. Or it could be totally different. They didn't bother to explain it.

adjl posted...


Even if Aionios weren't destroyed, though, they'd still have died. All that work you put into getting Zeon his potatoes? He's 10th term and will be dead in less than a year. Isurd finally learned to trust his lieutenants enough to not mire them down in bureaucracy? One of them will be taking over his position when he dies next year. Valdi? He's finally free to make new robot friends for a whole four more years.

Sure, you can say that they've left legacies and whatnot, but every single person that was freed from the flame clock will be dead within 10 years, and many of them much sooner than that. Virtually every one of those colonies is going to fall to ruin after being abandoned because there aren't enough people left to maintain them (bearing in mind that the Castle isn't going to be sending replacements) and the survivors gather together in a desperate attempt to make enough babies to avoid extinction (the oldest of which will be around 4-5 when the last of the original adults die, if we assume that nobody reproduces before 14-15). The only chance of passing anything on is to become assimilated by the City, which gives them the opportunity to have a kid, but really not much else, and whatever they achieved as a colony is going to be largely irrelevant in the face of the City having already done it.

Quite simply, there is no future for Aionios without Moebius supplying a steady stream of new people. The paradigm Z established means - probably deliberately - that it's all but impossible to get a self-sustaining population going. It is bleak, so as terrible as it seems to willingly wipe it all out for the sake of recreating a world free of Moebius, that really is the only way people can actually be granted the freedom to live their lives as they want to. Our role throughout the story and side quests is to give people the chance to enjoy a small fraction of that freedom before their rapidly-approaching demise, which primes them to want it enough to overcome the fear that gave rise to Moebius in the first place.
There's no reason to think they wouldn't send new copies of people. They can still do it clearly. It even happens automatically in the lost colonies. Not to mention, they could unravel why the bodies only last 10 years in the first place and find a way around it. That's what I was hoping for, thats what the game implied. Vandahm says we deserve more than 10 years and if we want to survive longer we should go to the city. That's the call to action for our characters. We even see if you interact with the monuments that many of the original ouroboros found a way to live past the 10 year limit. I was expecting that to be the final reveal. After we control origin and manage to merge the world completely and undo the rules Z put in place. Hell they could have kept it as some emotion power bullshit and replaced the despair engine of Z with a hope engine of Noah + Mio or something that generated the energy to survive through positive emotions instead of negative ones. That would have been more in keeping with the games themes. Have it powered by white motes instead of red ones. Ether as an energy source and potential opposite to the black fog is another pointer to this possibility.

adjl posted...


That's understandable. It's a profoundly depressing setting and it doesn't sugarcoat the ending to make it happy enough to offset that.
The problem is, this is a game, not a movie. My success at overcoming gameplay challenges should be rewarded, not punished. They chose to not only ruin the happiness of this game, but retroactively the happiness of the previous 2 games, since the worlds we fought so hard to protect all perish. Like wtf. This reminds me of the original mass effect 3 ending where it just leaves you feeling like "well shit, what was even the point?". IMO theres no greater writing sin then making the journey irrelevant with the ending and this game managed to not only do it for it's own game, but for 2 other games as well.

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09/08/22 9:04:03 AM
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adjl posted...
A new thing that looks exactly like you, has exactly the same memories, personality, beliefs, and experiences, and will behave exactly as you would have, were you still around to do it. Being destroyed and recreated exactly as you were an instant prior is functionally identical to surviving the destructive event. I'd call that a whole lot better than not surviving it.
That's not you though. It's not functionally identical to surviving. Your consciousness turned off and never turned back on again. You died. Same as the teleporter example you mentioned when you brought it up originally. The easy proof of this is what happens if it makes that exact copy and you don't die? Is it that copy you? No, obviously not. You don't suddenly exist in two places as a dual being or something.

adjl posted...
There's a bit of inference involved in guessing that the annihilation issue is based on matter-antimatter interactions, since that's a bit of real-world physics that lines up perfectly with the phenomena described, but that's well within the realm of reading between the lines.
That's not a line that should be left for inference. There's so many people that don't even realize that everybody dies twice in this game, once in alrest/bionis and once at the end of the game. If the vast majority of your audience walks away without understanding what happened, that's pretty bad.


adjl posted...
They made it using pre-existing technology (Origin's data is stored in core crystals, which were already available in Alrest) to manipulate an energy source far, far greater than anything they could ever have created themselves (a universe's worth of E=mc^2). Nothing about that means they have the power nor the knowledge to do everything that energy could possibly be used for.
They presumably still have at least some of pneuma right? We see the picture of pyra and mythra with kids. The fact that something was able to create the conduit at some point means theres clearly a way around the physics of annihilation that some alien civilization found at one point. Work to find it yourselves. It also calls into question why they didn't realize the universes would collide in the first place until suddenly became away of the other universe, somehow. Almost as if wasn't a reasonable thing to think would happen. Nothing about the end of the first 2 games gave any indication that all their work was for nothing and both universes would annihilate.

adjl posted...
Nia's animation of the collision suggests it's quite a bit more than just a couple planets colliding. A spaceship isn't going to be able to cover that kind of distance before the annihilation blast (which would be moving at the speed of light) catches up to them.
All it does is show the two planets collide. In fact, I think they don't even mention the universes colliding, only the planets. The collision we see a bit of is a physical collision with explosions and stuff. I don't think theres any reason to think annihilation effect was even going to happen or if it did, it wouldn't matter because the planets would have already exploded physically. And again, in her post game ascension quest she said the planets never knew of each other until Z created aionios, which goes against everything the games plot was made from, so I think you give them too much credit.

They also managed to somehow send origin to a neutral space, why not send all the people with it? Move them to some 3rd universe. Do something.

adjl posted...
Again, it's not really oblivion if you remember and continue to experience everything that existed before the event. Nobody's past ever really exists. Memories and extrapolations from present observations are all we have by which to define it.
The past exists in the fact that cause and effect is stable. Regardless, memories aren't even what I'm talking about here. An exact copy of you still isn't you. The lights don't just turn back on for you after you've died and a copy is made or else a second light would come on when a copy is made without you dying.


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YoukaiSlayer
09/07/22 5:49:50 PM
#354


adjl posted...
The heavy black fog presence around each castle is mostly *because* of the Annihilator, which inherently attracts black fog (the same way interlinking does, so it probably works on a similar principle). It's loosely implied that black fog is a symptom of an impending annihilation event, rather than the cause. While having lots of black fog around is correlated with a higher risk of an annihilation event, it does not itself seem to create one just by virtue of existing in an area.
Again, no, they explicitly state that's not the case and that the converter absorbs the black fog. As for the 2nd part, the fact that the cannon works is proof enough. They absorb the black fog and shoot it and it causes annihilation. How could it be any different? I'm also pretty sure interlinking was never said to attract black fog but it is a long game so I might have just forgot a conversation.

adjl posted...
You already touched on why it isn't pointless: If the colonies were left alone, Moebius would be reborn as soon as the worlds' collision resumed and we'd have to start all over again. Freeing the colonies was a vital part of helping them all cope with their fear of an unknown future so they could move forward into it.
I don't accept that. I didn't free them so they could come to terms with their own death. That's so fucking sad and shitty. Not to mention, you get the same ending whether you do those sidequests or not, so there is no change in the result. I didn't save Aionios from moebius to just destroy everyone. I feel legit betrayed by the party. They killed a planet full of life. They gave up on the future. Not to mention, it's not an unknown future, it's death. We know it's death because we kill them and ourselves. It's like freeing people from hell by deleting them from existence. Fuck that, I fought hard to free them from hell them an actual decent life. I worried about the long term viability of the colonies because I intended them to keep existing.

Honestly continuing to even think about the game is just depressing me. I'm probably done talking about it. Already got the 100% (and Nia's ascension quests says the palents didn't know about each other accept here on Aionios and thats why we would forget each other afterwards despite them literally showing the planets contacting each other to build origin which is the whole basis of this stupid ass plot to begin with). Xenoblade was my favorite jrpg series but honestly, I'm not so sure it is anymore. I've never had an ending to a game make me hate the game like this one has. The only thing giving me some solace is that it seems like the ending was pretty poorly recieved as a whole, unlike xenoblade 2 which also had a shit ending but people seemed to like, so at least for once I'm not alone in being unsatisfied.

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09/07/22 5:49:45 PM
#353
adjl posted...
It solves the practical issue of "these people are no longer present in the universe," which is better than not solving that issue if we start from fundamentally valuing their presence. There's room to debate the philosophy of what it means to exist as a person, but this is definitely the best available solution to ensure that the worlds don't disappear permanently, considering what would be involved in "solving" unbreakable laws of matter.
But who cares? Like, that isn't you, that isn't anybody you know. You saved nothing, you just created a new thing that you could have done anyway. It's incredibly unsatisfying.

adjl posted...
That applies to a lot of this game. It very much employs a "show, don't tell" approach to much of its storytelling and worldbuilding, with things not necessarily being explicitly explained but making sense if you think about how everything fits together.
Nah, you are straight up saying things the game doesn't say, that characters don't talk about, that nobody brings up. Even IF we assume the stuff you guessed at is true, the characters should be talking about it and it should influence their decisions in ways that it didn't.

adjl posted...
Maybe they don't have the power to access it. They are also mortal (exceptionally long-lived, but most of the reason they're still around now is because they were held in various forms of stasis), so "freeze time for everyone else until we figure out a way to fundamentally rewrite physics" isn't necessarily a safe bet, especially if maintaining time in that frozen state requires additional energy input (such as, from a synthetic world where people's life energy is routinely harvested to keep the system running).
What do you mean don't have the power to access it? They MADE it. Unlike the conduit, this wasn't something they found of exceptional power, this was something they created from the ground up. And why do you bring up fundamentally changing physics? They freeze time, create a new planet from nothing but human willpower, and then rewind time. They haven't been playing by physics rules since the beginning of xenoblade 1. The idea of generating life energy from nothing to harvest in a closed system to begin with goes against the most immutable law of thermodynamics. I'm pretty sure they even mention racing to finish origin because it's all they had time to do before the collision. Extra time is potentially all they needed. Create a big ass spaceship and shuttle all the people off the planet or something. Create a solid barrier preventing you from moving towards the collision site. Force the things off the trajectory they are on. Anything. At least try instead of just giving up and accepting oblivion.

adjl posted...
Into a human-ish form. A central theme of all three Xenoblade games has been to explore the implications of gods being limited by human thinking and weakness.
This is literally his only human trait and from the perspective of an immortal god, the people are dying and being reborn. He says it himself directly. And it should matter to him, it's the core of his being, or rather all of his being.

adjl posted...
And the N that exists as a separate, genocidal maniac has met with the appropriate stabbity death to prevent further maniacal genocide. Anything past that stabbity death is a matter of Noah learning how not to end up following the same path, since they are in fact copies of the same person (with the same personalities, beliefs, and attitudes). The difference is that our Noah ended up meeting the right people to support him through losing Mio (including M sacrificing herself in Mio's stead), allowing him to break the cycle of despair that created and sustained N.

No, he physically shows the fuck back up, memories, clothing, moebius and all, and kills Z.


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YoukaiSlayer
09/06/22 7:54:29 PM
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adjl posted...
Consider those more abstract representations of N and M. Just as Noah and Mio represent the parts of N and M that regretted the way things turned out, N and M represent the parts of Noah and Mio that are afraid of the future and want to keep things the same, which Noah and Mio had to let go of to defeat Z. When Noah incorporated N, that wasn't a matter of forgiving N for the genocide, it was a matter of accepting that N's attitudes and beliefs were a part of him that he had to deal with instead of denying.
I don't care what metaphors there are, N committed genocide and is functionally a clone of Noah, not the same person. You can't just abstract away reality. They physically exist in 2 separate places doing separate things.

adjl posted...
Unfortunately, you can't really design a world in which everyone has the freedom to choose how to live their lives around the fundamental requirement that a handful of people have nuclear artillery that you just have to trust they won't misuse or lose control of. The Annihilator also doesn't really redirect annihilation events that would otherwise happen so much as it induces new, controlled ones, so I don't think it could really solve the issue.
Um, we do that now in the real world. They mention in some info discussions but the black fog converter is used for more than just the cannon and is the reason agnes castle can exist in the black fog area and not be annihilated. Shoot it into space if you have to.

adjl posted...
That's only *because* we give them that freedom, though. It's a recurring theme with every single colony that they want to live differently but can't because filling up the Clock takes all of their time and energy. If the Clocks are a requirement for the world to exist (as they seem to be, since Moebius needs to maintain the world and the Clocks maintain Moebius), then the world prevents people from living their lives freely.
Yeah but ouroboros is just as much a part of Aionios as Moebius. The world continues to exist just fine despite our destroying of the clocks and the world does not immediately destabilize after we beat moebius. It's not until we restart origin that that happens.

However, this brings up maybe the most frustrating thing about the whole setup. Everything we do is pointless. Freeing the colonies doesn't mean anything if we just obliterate them in a few weeks. Helping colony 9 become self sufficient by dealing potatos for 5 hours was a complete waste because colony 9 doesn't exist anymore. Helping the people in the city? Pointless, they don't exist anymore, There's over 150 side quests and all of that is just deleted with the ending of the game. Why the hell would make a game like that? How many of the lost numbers would have helped us in the fight if we told them they and everyone they care about will be destroyed if we succeed? As far as I'm concerned, Z was right, Ouroboros were traitors who did bring ruin to the world, and their reward for doing so is oblivion with everyone else. They are convinced they will meet again in the ending but they won't, because even their originals will die in the collision. What a shit world and a shit story, that wasted 150 hours of my time.

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09/06/22 7:54:22 PM
#344
adjl posted...
In a nutshell, the worlds were going to annihilate into energy upon coming in contact with each other (even if other collisions don't involve annihilation, fully overlapping would cause it). Origin is a sort of Ark (in a game where the protagonist's name is Noah, because Takahashi) that contains a comprehensive record of the worlds and every person living in them that will harness the energy of that apocalyptic annihilation recreate the worlds instantly in the same state they were prior to impact (except presumably more stably to prevent them from having the same problem again). That does mean everybody dies (including the queens) but identical copies (complete with memories) are created instantly after their death, so calling it a practical solution isn't inaccurate. It's like ideas of teleportation that rely on destroying your local self and recreating you elsewhere: It means you die, but nothing about you is actually lost, so it's fine. The alternative is that everyone just dies, so...
I don't think that's any better than just dying in the first place. Definitely not a solution by any means. I also feel like the game doesn't say most of that and it's just you filling in the blanks with headcannon. It's also just the same concept they explored much better in X, despite every other aspect of X's plot being horrendous.

adjl posted...


Aionios exists because Moebius used Origin's power to freeze time, then force the two worlds as close as possible to overlapping before actually annihilating, allowing them to exist without having to fear what might happen if Origin didn't work (which is what coalesced into Moebius in the first place as a consequence of compiling everyone's thoughts and wills inside Origin). When Moebius was defeated and Origin was set back on its original course, they separated and went back to their original states and collision course (and then were recreated by Origin).
Why does origin have the power to freeze time? And if it does, why aren't melia and nia using that function to stall so they have time to come up with a solution that doesn't involve killing everyone anyway? Why does a desire to not die result in a world where everyone constantly dies? That seems antithetical to what Z should be doing.

adjl posted...
Because when your existence consists of eternally repeating the same experiences and actions out of fear of facing unforeseen adversity, you're pretty inevitably going to start trying to come up with ways to have fun with that process.
If you are human maybe, but Z isn't. He is just a coalescence of human fear.

adjl posted...
Given the thermodynamic implications of eternally respawning people, I'm guessing the "life energy" that is harvested is based on their memories and emotions and other such things that don't typically get carried over. That means carrying them over would make the system unsustainable (even more so than it already is), especially given the need to store that information somehow (everyone's birth states are roughly based on how they were stored in Origin when Aionios began). As for the life spans, letting people live out full lives would mean 8-9 times as much life energy would be tied up in the system at any given time, and I could believe that a monster born of the collective unconscious' fear of change would rather limit people's lifespans than choose to leave 85%+ of people out of the new world.
They presumably are leaving way more than 85+% out of he world. There's only like 40 colonies with at most like 100 people (probably closer to 50). There should be way more than 4000 people just from alrest, much less xenoblade 1's world 100+ years into their future.

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YoukaiSlayer
09/06/22 6:03:00 AM
#341
agesboy posted...
Bionis and Alrest and their constituent parts are essentially matter and antimatter. If they collide, they would annihilate each other and nothing would be left. Origin was meant to be a way to allow the worlds to merge or coexist without annihilation. The process failed partway through due to Z's meddling, so the current status quo at the end of the game is a temporary delay measure.
But we see them physically collide and not annihilate. They show us this in a cutscene. So I don't believe this is correct.


agesboy posted...
Uhhh, no? The world as it is was running out of energy very slowly over time and wouldn't ACTUALLY last forever. What do you think annihilation events are? It's "matter and antimatter" colliding. The world is very, very gradually being destroyed. I feel like this is the biggest thing you aren't getting. The "eternal now" is a soft lie.
How much of the world was destroyed over the course of more than 1000 years? Not that much. On top of that, they clearly created an annihilation converter for use with the cannon that sucks up all the black fog. They even mention in one of the discussion topics that it's almost certainly still being used to power the castle and thats why annilation events never take place near the castle despite all the black fog. So basically, they've already solved this problem, and even if they didn't, theres no reason to end things now instead working on a better solution over the next 10k+ years before Aionios fully annihilates anyway. If origin's purpose is to somehow resolves the annihilation to begin with, they could do that from within Aionios instead of basically rewinding time putting them back in the same position which by all rights should just result in another Z anyway.

agesboy posted...
The part of M that she entrusted to Mio was still around. M both merged and swapped at the same time. Soul shenanigans isn't a zero-sum game or Mio would never have been born from M's regret to begin with.
Yeah, thats complete bullshit. Them being physically born of an emotion makes no sense to begin with either and is stupid. M went through all the trouble of basically torturing the main party for a month just to disappear and she didn't even actually disappear making that section of the game even dumber and more pointless than it already was. Doubly so when we explicitly learn that moebius cannot come back and are gone forever when they die.


agesboy posted...
Being content to living on Aionos inherently isn't moving forward. The whole game, they were fighting to dismantle the status quo, which was stillness as provided by Z. The current situation is like sitting on a BSOD until your computer craps out.
It isn't though. I understand that they want staying on Aionios to represent stillness, but it just factually doesn't. There's nothing more still about the life on Aionios than on alrest or the xenoblade 1 world. People are born and live their lives and make choices and move forward constantly. We are a witness to it for the entire damn game. Just because the world will eventually end someday doesn't mean that theres no hope of finding a solution and frankly the message of fuck the consequences, thrust yourself into the unknown and hope is shit advice and theres probably a reason the story can't wrap that into a message that complies with the world they've built up.

agesboy posted...
Ghondor and Monica made some kind of comment about hoping to be reborn in the separated worlds. Their souls were recorded by Origin, so it's definitely possible. Might be part of the final DLC plot, which I'm guessing is going to be a sequel, not a prequel like Torna. Though prequel is entirely possible, covering the City's founding.
Being reborn is what was already happening to the people in Aionios to begin with and unless they keep their memories, it's basically just a clone of what you could have been. Your memories and personality are what you are. I'd be so pissed to be a lost number and find out what we were actually fighting for was to kill me and everyone I love and hope that someday our souls reincarnate. They clearly expect to still exist after defeating moebius. The whole plot is around freeing the people from moebius control, not killing all life on the planet and forcing the planet to cease to be. It's so fucked.

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YoukaiSlayer
09/05/22 5:53:56 PM
#338
Can't edit but also why the fuck do they let you skip the credits but have that also skip the post credit scene? I didn't even realize I'd missed something until reading topics on the ending. Not that the post credit scene helps anything, but still.

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YoukaiSlayer
09/05/22 4:34:07 PM
#337
I finished xenoblade 3 and oh my god that might be the worst ending I've ever seen. I'm actually angry. The surface plot collapsed so hard to make room for the emotional themes of the game, but those themes are not good and the plot making absolutely no sense just makes it feel like those messages don't hold up to reality. Further complaints will be spoilers of course.

I'm still unclear on what origin was originally supposed to do? It sounds like, the two worlds of xenoblade were going to collide and all the people on it die. We see this in a scene of the worlds literally colliding. Origin was supposed to "restart the world" after that. Wtf does that mean? Are they basically allowing all life on both worlds to die but they are content with creating life again afterwards? Thats not even a solution. Everybody dies, no one is saved (except the queens somehow).

Anyway, origin's power is somehow activated coalescing the dying peoples fear of being killed by the planet collision and freezes time right then and somehow creates a 3rd world that is a combination of the two in a frozen instant during collision. Somehow restarting origin just harmlessly splits the worlds back apart? How? If you restart origin shouldn't the two planets just immediately collide killing all life? Are these two worlds the restarted worlds that origin somehow makes with space magic power?

The main theme of the game falls completely flat, because the only bad thing about aionios is the perpetual war. There's parts of Aionios during the game that are totally fine and good like the city and the lost colony. Nothing is inherently wrong with living on Aionios. Restarting origin and defeating moebius are unrelated.

So let's talk about the true villain, Z, Wtf. Firstly, he's not really a being at all, just a physical manifestation of human fear (but then also regret for some reason). So then WHY does he make everyone suffer for his amusement? That makes no sense and is the crux of the entire plot. If his goal was to save humans from fear and let them exist in an endless state of contentment, that might make some sense, but then Aionios would be a paradise. Even IF you need people to die to harvest energy to keep the worlds from colliding, you can do that pretty peacefully. The amount of life energy they harvest has nothing to do with how fast they die, only how many get brought to life, since all of them will eventually die anyway. If you didn't erase their memories, they have eternal life effectively, and just have to swap out bodies every 10 years. There was literally no reason for the world of Aionios to end up in the state it is, other than "lol z was bored".

For extra badness, we get the scene were N and M sacrifice themselves to kill Z because apparently he's literally invincible to us and we can do nothing to hurt him making our involvement pointless and M who already regretted all this could have just killed him at any time apparently. Also, how the fuck is M still around? She escaped the flow with the homecoming, only to still exist because she and Mio are the same person, except they aren't. The fact that Noah is trying to beg N to stay, the same N responsible for committing genocide and torturing many people on this planet and perputating this awful pointless cycle of pain and killing because he was sad, it's fucking pathetic. Why do jrpgs want so badly to forgive genocidal maniacs?

All of that was enough to take me out of the experience, but it wasn't what made me mad. What made me mad is that despite being stupid and nonsensical, they STILL give us a sad ending where the good romance was built up throughout the game, quite well, just has to end up as literal starcrossed lovers and be split up for no reason. It makes extra no sense because both planets still exist in the same universe, they were literally hitting each other. and creating explosions instead of the weird black spherical annihilation. These motherfuckers could have just lived happily together on Aionios and still moved forward, just like they were the whole game.

And wtf happens to Aionios natives like the city folk? Do they just get annihilated out of existence?

I remember I was quite angry at the ending of xenoblade 2 but this far and away takes the cake and at least in xenoblade 2 despite having some atrocious writing and pointless sacrifice, it's magically undone at the end and they get a happy ending so I don't have to keep thinking about it.

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YoukaiSlayer
09/04/22 2:02:49 PM
#333
I'm not too far from being able to join in that spoilery conversation. On chapter 7. Did all hero quests and side stories finally. There are SO many quests in this game. IMO possibly the best quests in a video game. While a lot of stuff is just fetch or kill, theres always story to go with every part and it fleshes out the world and characters so well. I feel like I know 100+ named characters and their personalities. That's wild. Also this game made me sad about a tirkin.

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