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TheRock1525 posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Like, I get that's inherently sexist a little bit, but no more than really anything else in wrestling, to the point where I don't see why it's getting called out.

I mean, if we acknowledge it's sexist (and I even said it was a tiny bit, not OMG YOU PIG) then I don't feel like it shouldn't be acknowledged, and everyone knows that you're not some raging sexist so I don't know why we shouldn't hold ourselves to a higher standard.

We'd probably hold ourselves to a higher standard when wrestling itself does.

I mean, let's be honest, here. Most of them try/intend to be seen as hot/attractive. So why is that okay, but it's not okay to acknowledge it?
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TheRock1525 posted...

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TheRock1525 posted...

Uh, I think the whole "at least she was hot" thing is kinda where it gets sexist. Like the "oh she can be a shit wrestler as long as I think she's hot" part.

Since when has "This wrestler is hot" being described as a perk turned into some big "Oh no you didn't" sexist thing.

Cause you didn't describe it as a perk.

You described as something that would make you ok with Sasha being a terrible wrestler because "at least she's hot."

Not really? I said she WAS a good wrestler that has basically stagnated to the point where I don't want to see her on TV, and there's no "Atleast she's hot" that changes that opinion any. I'm not really sure there's a difference between that and thinking of it as a perk. It's not like I'm saying "Yeah, man, Eva Marie was a great contribution!"

Like, I get that's inherently sexist a little bit, but no more than really anything else in wrestling, to the point where I don't see why it's getting called out.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Uh, I think the whole "at least she was hot" thing is kinda where it gets sexist. Like the "oh she can be a shit wrestler as long as I think she's hot" part.

Since when has "This wrestler is hot" being described as a perk turned into some big "Oh no you didn't" sexist thing.

I didn't say "As long as she's hot nothing else matters."
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TheRock1525 posted...

I feel like criticisms moving from "I don't like her ring work" to "I don't think she's hot anymore" feels a tiny bit sexist.

Well, if I don't like her ring work anymore, why else would I want to see her on TV? It's not really sexist... It's wrestling.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Right but at least I know I'll get good matches out of Sasha.

Bliss... not so much.

Sasha forgot how to put on good matches a long time ago. Now her matches consist of four overly contrived spots, one of which is needlessly dangerous and looks like shit, anyway, so why does she even do it.

When the least offensive thing you do is a poorly executed move dedicated to a dead guy, you've gone too far in trying to "steal the show."

I used to think "Atleast she's hot," but now it looks like she literally sweats hair dye and foundation. I can't even remember what her natural hair color is. Hell, I'm not sure I even know what color she is anymore, since the mat always looks like somebody had a bad time with a birthday cake after her matches.

I guess you could say I'm over her just a little
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Sasha as champion isn't even 10x more appealing than clipping my toenails

"I'm the boss"

There I just saved you from watching 28 Raws worth of Sasha development.
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Between Sasha and Lesnar, Raw is just so unappealing right now
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TheRock1525 posted...

I'd actually say Roman winning would be a better result than this, because I'm guessing we won't get Lesnar defending again until Survivor Series?

And like where do these guys go? Maybe you pair Joe and Reigns off and that's ok I guess, but what about Strowman?

This is why it's even worse than Reigns winning. Lesnar will disappear for awhile again, and the other three have to basically... Keep fighting each other?
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I mean, the match itself was great.

But the part timer retaining is horrible.
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davidponte posted...

Acceptable result

No. This is literally the worst result.
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Braun should win everything

Universal
WWE
US
Intercontinental
Both tags, by himself
Go to NXT and take those
Hell, put on a dress, call himself Braunetta, and win the womens titles.
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I remember sorta breaking my role in one of them

My role was a janitor. So I wanted to see how successfully I could clean up blood. So I took my mop apart and used the sharper end to cut myself, then let it dry and cleaned up the blood. ...But then I found out that I was actually an assassin, which was only to be revealed if I drew blood with my mop.

So I assume I was supposed to find that out by attacking somebody with my mop. But instead I just used it on myself in something completely different.

Sadly, I never got to take advantage of the knowledge since things went insane immediately after.
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Strife2 posted...

No Japanese commentary? Way to be unfair.

Spoke too soon!
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Strife2 posted...

THEY DON'T WANT NONE!

Also, Owens pulled Shane into the 450, he was just very subtle about it, like the stumble into the ropes. He deserved to lose.

Oh, I know that

I just meant that his intention was to land across Owens's body

Instead, he landed across Shane's body

But sold it like Owens got the legs up, or he landed on a chair, or something

It just was amusing to me
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...That was an odd sell

"Oh no, I hit a person instead of a person with my 450!"
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Jakyl25 posted...

One of the weirdest wrestling tropes to me

"We've had questionable officiating in this feud. The only way to settle this is with a less experienced referee!"

How did they actually set this one up?

'Cuz it could sorta make sense as far as, with Shane, it's kinda like "Even if I screw up, who are you going to appeal to? Me?"
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I told myself that if Sasha wins and Brock retains I'd be soooo upset

We're 1/2 so far!
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Oh god Sasha go away already
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...So Sasha is one of those spitting dinosaurs?
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That was great
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Jakyl25 posted...

All the smarks pretending to like Elias are dumb

What if I actually do like Elias
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Strife2 posted...

The less Bayleys and Ascensions we have, the better.

Pfft. Ascension are the best they've ever been!
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Uglyface2 posted...

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Uglyface2 posted...

The First Amendment is still in place, which means people with terrible ideas are still allowed to express them publicly. It doesn't protect violence.

Nazi rhetoric is violence. It goes above and beyond general racism and into being an actionable threat just by its mere public utterance

No, it's not, and I hate you for making me defend Nazis. Until somebody starts making specific threats like, "We need to bomb the XYZ Building," or, "We need to kill Jane Smith," it doesn't reach the level of actionable.

But let's take your argument and pretend you're right. Does that call for vigilante tactics? Shouldn't these counter-protesters call for the police? And if not, then why are they the only movement that's allowed to be violent?

This is just dangerous. The guy that ran people over with his car did it BECAUSE of those words.

Just sweeping them under the rug and referring to people like that as "crazies" is not helping anything.

And even the people that ARE crazy... Them being able to hear that rhetoric over and over is more likely to move them to action. Look at the guy that shot up that pizza joint because of Pizzagate. Do you think he would have done that if "Pizzagate" wasn't being spread around as if it was fact? Now consider that Nazis are spreading far, far worse.
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This isn't Broken Dreams!
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That definitely looks like just an NPC, yeah

But the trailer has something that looks very much like Surge's gym

So gyms probably returning

Unless KANTO happens
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Not_an_Owl posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/riotwomennn/status/898373115708878849

I think we can ALL agree that this is great counter-protesting

Ride of the Valkyries was perhaps not the best choice, as Richard Wagner was actually really antisemitic (to the point that a) when Hitler and the Nazis took over Germany he was on the list of approved, properly German composers whose music it was okay to perform, and b) for a long time you couldn't perform his music in Israel).

I think we're reaching the "Too far" point of what we're deeming acceptable, now.
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Oh god, whining about people hating somebody they've never met is just hilarious.
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LtMplusCATS posted...

The idea that all that will happen if these people are left tonl their own devices is that they'll dissapear into meme hell is.....dead ass wrong. That's a dangerous mindset. I'm surprised to see it coming from Biscuit.

To be fair, when Spencer had his gym membership revoked after that lady confronted him for being a white supremacist, Biscuit's take was "Poor Spencer for having his workout interrupted," so I really don't think he thinks these rallies actually do result in anything but memes.
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DeepsPraw posted...

I like blue sphere, but having it at every single lamp post is overkill

Well, it's mostly how you unlock stuff, so it'd suck if it wasn't
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He looks younger than 64 and she looks a lot older than 24
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(Last post on this, promise)

Now, to be fair, that isn't to say these people couldn't actually be convicted of these felonies. It's just to say that the prosecutor didn't go "Yep, this is absolutely a felony" when the charges were made, because they wouldn't have actually even gone over the evidence by that point, yet.
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Like, this isn't a challenging concept at all.

If a prosecutor knows they can prove Charge A, and knows they can prove Charge B, but isn't sure they can 100% prove Charge C (but it's not impossible, given the jury/judge/etc), they will go with all three charges, A, B, and C, so that they can plead down to A and B to make it look like the defendant is getting something out of it.
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Corrik posted...

(Many surefire cases are plead down).

Any "surefire case" that pleads down only pleads down because they aimed too high with the charges to begin with.

Hence... What we've all been saying. Prosecutors always leave themselves room to plead down by aiming high.
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I wonder if Corrik realizes that plea deals typically don't happen if it's 100% sure the crime happened, so the very existence of a plea deal suggests the prosecutor thought they may not win the case on that specific charge.

Prosecutors only plead down to the highest thing they know they can undoubtedly prove.
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Corrik posted...

Peace___Frog posted...

Speak to a prosecutor some time.

It's also apparent that you didn't read the thread that spawned all this. But that's fine.

Assistant DA of Washington County who I mentioned beforehand in these topics (turn up ypur topic search to confirm) is an acquaintance of mine. And would laugh your political spin out of here (and she is a democrat).

Really? Cool. I'll shoot her an e-mail and see what she says.
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I mean, you're not even getting your knowledge from good TV shows, apparently.

Did you get all your law knowledge from Franklin & Bash or something.
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Corrik posted...

Aim for the highest crime they think is provable. They do not add crimes for giggles.

Watch less TV.

...Are you basing your law knowledge on TV shows? Seriously?

They name the charges before they even go over all the evidence. Sometimes lack of evidence knocks charges down, sometimes pleas do, and so on.

This is not some new concept.
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Corrik posted...

Like, the prosecutor doesn't just add charges that have no bearing to a case just because. You have to have reliable thought of having violated said law to charge it.

This is 150% false. Absolutely.

They aim for the highest crime and as many crimes as they possibly can, even if they know it won't fly in court, so that if they do choose to plea, they can start higher. Or if it gets knocked down by the judge, etc.
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Corrik is literally the stereotypical bleach blonde bimbo that argues with the teacher for 30 minutes because they don't get something that the entire rest of the class got long ago.
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Did Corrik just fully believe that Dictionary.com definitions are the same thing as legal definitions

THAT of all things should prove it's not worth arguing with him. That's just a level of being uneducated that he's not even trying to fix.
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Corrik posted...

Just saying that a person couldn't have been a huge history buff who liked Robert E Lee and drove from say South Dakota for the rally and upon getting there saw racist buffoons and were like "well this sucks but I came all the way here to support Robert E Lee so I am gonna just march for that and Ill ignore them guys" is a possible scenario.

Acting like its not existent or such is silly to me.

The rally was advertised as a white supremacist rally by white supremacists

So anybody coming from out of state for it knew what it was
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Why is it so hard to get that "Maybe don't celebrate this person" =/= "ERASE THEM FROM HISTORY"
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But it was a Cena distraction, and we all know how powerful that is!
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SgtSphynx posted...

I realize the discussion has moved on, but I just want to point out, again, that Smuffin was making the same argument as an actual white supremacist to justify racist views.

Smuffin being racist isn't surprising, though
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Was red sox the one that insisted most people learn about history only from seeing statues and then going home and researching them
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Jakyl25 posted...

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Jakyl25 posted...

It is demonization, and it sets up a society in which people believe the other political faction is out to get them. Then there is a war, and then, horrors.

Uh, during the Civil War, the other side WAS out to get them

Not me not me!

Fixed! Sorry!
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red sox 777 posted...

It is demonization, and it sets up a society in which people believe the other political faction is out to get them. Then there is a war, and then, horrors.

Uh, during the Civil War, the other side WAS out to get them

EDIT: Sorry it attributed the quote to Jakyl
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Lopen posted...

WWE has trained you into thinking being an utter moron and getting distracted doesn't make you look bad.

This is incorrect

It looks bad, but you're saying stuff like "He lost to a lackeyless Jinder" when stuff like the whole "lackeyless" thing doesn't even matter or come into play because of what actually happened.
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If they still wanted to push Corbin, they could probably do it by having him beat Cena, and then basically go "I have something better than MitB. I beat John Cena at Summerslam."
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Lopen posted...

Like at least Sandow beat the hell out of JOHN CENA before losing after a long match.

This guy lost his mitb cash in quicker than most guys win theirs. To a lackeyless Jinder. Just a total joke.

You're acting like they had an actual match. He got rolled up when distracted.
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