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NFUN posted...

Are you trying to say that they closed properly and only didn't let the people who arrived at 6 in? Because that's an actual argument you could make, depending on evidence, and one you should've started out with instead of the absolute nonsense you've been intermittently saying over the last two pages

Well, it'd be hard to make that argument, since there were videos of dozens of people as early as 5 and 10 minutes after 6, suggesting they just up and locked the doors at 6 regardless of people outside of them. It'd be very hard to argue those people all just happened to arrive late together at the exact same time that quickly and get parking spots and walk up to the doors late together.

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I'm fully willing to accept that it was just general incompetence and not actual malice/suppression.

What I have a problem with is that people arriving from 5:00-5:30 couldn't get a parking space and get inside the doors in time due to congestion caused by this decision to limit it to one polling place for 600,000 people, and puns is acting like we're dumb for not agreeing with his stance of "Sucks to be them, the system works!"

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turbopuns3 posted...

Guys you realize after they locked the door people congregated right? Because they couldn't get in? I imagine it wasn't like there was mob of 200 people there and one little old lady working the polls fought them all off with one hand while locking the door with the other. Lol. Probably just people slowly filing into the building with some space in between them.

There was a line of cars in the parking lot/leading up to it of people trying to park and get in to vote, with people having arrived up to an hour before close not getting a space in time. This was not an unrelated traffic jam. This was a traffic jam caused by funneling too many people into one lone polling station. This was a traffic jam they caused. These people would have been inside with plenty of time to spare were it not for this. One of the candidates filed an injunction asking it to be kept open later because of this. This line is not being made up.

How is it the voters' fault?

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Corrik7 posted...

Puns, just stop. Voter suppression is a democrat/left wing talking point and many here are going to harp it no matter the details endlessly because that's a talking point on their side. They are already calling you a troll and shit for not agreeing with them. This is how it starts, buddy!

It's not even about voter suppression at this point. It's about the common decency of letting people vote when the only reason they can't get in the building in time is because of something you caused.

Do you, personally, think it's fair to just tell the voters "You were late" when they were literally in line in the parking lot trying to get in for 30 minutes to an hour, which wouldn't have happened had polling stations been kept open?

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Like, I'd agree with you if this was an unrelated traffic jam further down the road.

It wasn't.

It was a traffic jam literally at the Expo Center/in the parking lot.

A traffic jam they should have expected and accounted for when they decided to take it down to one polling station.

A traffic jam they effectively caused.

A problem they directly caused and then proceeded to decide drag their heels on doing anything about, including keeping the doors locked for 22 minutes despite an injunction being filed.

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So then I was right.

You just want to blame the voters for literally every problem with this situation.

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turbopuns3 posted...

To be clear anyone in this exact situation got to vote since they extended to 6:30.

They didn't make that decision until 6:22, meaning anybody that left because they were turned away and locked out for 22 minutes got screwed over.

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turbopuns3 posted...

In line means in the door, it's not like, an opinion or something where if they like you it's ok.

Were you inside the door at 6pm?

No?

Ok. You were late.

Does your boss consider you not late if there's a traffic jam?

If my boss caused the traffic jam, then probably!

People that are used to being able to leave work at 5 and get to their local polling station with 25-30 minutes to spare should be able to still expect to get to a different polling station with 25-30 minutes to spare and be able to vote. They should be able to expect that whatever decisions the state has made, whether they have 5 polling stations or 5,000, have been properly set up to account for the obvious post work rush of voters. If people show up 25-30 minutes before it closes and it takes them 30 minutes to park because the state decided to eliminate 95% of its polling stations, tunnel everybody into one, and make literally no efforts to make sure that doesn't happen, it's not the voter's fault.

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turbopuns3 posted...

I'm not here to blame anyone for anything but yes if you show up late it's certainly not anyone else's fault.

You keep saying this while ignoring the point that they didn't show up late. They showed up on time, but due to the congestion from there being only one polling station, were unable to get into the building in time through no fault of their own.

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You're right, I shouldn't have used quotes, as you implied it without actually using those words.

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Basically, I'll leave it at this.

They took other measures to make voting easier. Those were good.

But can we agree that, no matter the reason, the idea to close polling stations to the point that you end up with a scenario like Louisville having one polling station for 600,000 people is, at the very best, incredibly misguided/inept, and is still a problem that needs to be answered instead of brushed aside and blamed on the voters?

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Corrik7 posted...

I read in a very quick browse right now before leaving for work the 600k polling station in Louisville has 10 days to vote at it instead of the single day.

While that's true, I'm pretty sure Kentucky's voting leave law only applies to the specific election day/s. And those 10 days were all weekdays.

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Basically, when you have a change from "Only a quarter of polling stations served over 2000 people in 2016" to "One polling station for 600,000 people," the only real answers are either it's been done for nefarious reasons, or those that came up with it are so shockingly inept that it's not much better.

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Corrik7 posted...

That sounds a bit ridiculous of an idea on paper at least.

So you can understand why people would see that and be like "Wait, hold up."

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Corrik7 posted...

The weird part is prior to the election, people were already crying voter suppression.

Would you like to know why?

JeffreyRaze posted...

In 2016, only a quarter of polling stations served more than 2000 people.

Louisville has only one polling station serving more than 600000 people. That's a problem to say the least.

Because that is ridiculous by any stretch

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Corrik7 posted...

Isn't that literally a perfect example of ignorance and irresponsibility?

The after work vote is not a new thing. At all. The average voter should be able to assume that if the state is closing down so many polling places, then they are well equipped/have plans in place to deal with the after work rush properly, instead of finding out... No, no measures were put in place, if you couldn't get a parking space and get in the doors in time, you're just fucked.

EDIT: A voter should not be punished for arriving in time but missing the vote because it took 30 minutes for them to park and get inside the building due to improper planning by the station.

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VintageGin posted...

I've heard that the reasoning for closing the polling stations actually relates to not having enough poll workers due to the pandemic

Which makes a lot of sense when you consider the typical demographic for poll workers is elderly retirees

I heard that as well, but my step-father who lives in Kentucky was told he and many people he knows who typically worked the polls were outright turned down/told they weren't needed.

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turbopuns3 posted...

My previous voting place was a tiny, 12x12 waiting room at a nursing home.

My current location is a college football stadium.

Have you ever heard of the term social distancing?

More locations = less people = easier to actually enforce social distancing during the entire process.

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Corrik7 posted...

Kentucky is a state that lets you go to vote if you work that day.

Kentucky law is that it's unpaid voting leave, and your employer gets to decide when you take it, not you.

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turbopuns3 posted...

or be there on time.

Also, the problem isn't that they weren't there on time.

The problem is that they WERE there on time, but the polling station was not equipped to get them in the doors quickly enough, yet closed on time anyway. And that is not the fault of the voters, no matter how many times you want to call them "lazy" or "morons." It's a DIRECT product of making all of those people have to go to one polling station only.

You are so damn determined to make this "It's the voters' fault, blame the voters" and don't want to accept there's any blame at all on the other side.

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turbopuns3 posted...

You all think I'm not in good faith here but you're defending adults who, given 2 months notice about a deadline, did not take actions to prepare to either mail in or be there on time. Sorry but like no pity party from me there. You're so dead set on this being a cruel evil thing and I don't see it. Guess I just won't see it.

Polls have been 6-6 for my entire life I think.

Because whether they're morons or not, morons still have a legal right to vote, and actively taking steps that impact that right to vote negatively are objectively bad, whether you're capable of empathy, yourself, or not.

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turbopuns3 posted...

Not to worry. Ya got all the time in the world to stop by the clerk's office to vote or just simply drop it in the mail. Takes no time!

So yes, you're trolling.

Okay.

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Does... Does he think those wars happened here?

Does he think people were dodging gunfire running to the polls?

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Like, it's not that hard to see the issue.

3700 polling locations = You show up at 20-25 minutes til and you're gonna still have time to park and get inside, even if cutting it close.

200 polling locations = If you show up at 20-25 minutes til and there's a long line of traffic/parking takes you 30 minutes, you just got screwed over.

And no, the traffic jam/parking issues are not a "It's the voter's fault" scenario.

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turbopuns3 posted...

3700 polling locations = a few people show up too late at every single location and you never see it on the news

200 polling locations = lots of people show up late to the same place and feel they have been wronged somehow

...Okay now I assume you're trolling.

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turbopuns3 posted...

Oh, the reason for closing the polling places was the vast majority of them were tiny cramped spaces which are dangerous with the pandemic. They consolidated to have fewer places that are big open areas with lots more machines per location. I just assumed that part was understood when I said forever ago that the governor came up with this plan in april as a reaction to covid

The solution being "Instead of having small crowds of people at multiple stations, let's have large crowds of people wait in line at one station" doesn't make sense to any logical person.

Closing the polling stations wasn't Beshear's idea. The other parts were. He either went along with closing the stations to get the stuff he wanted, or he's incredibly naive.

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Corrik7 posted...

Not voter suppression that people rushed a polling station as it was closing.

More polling stations being open = less likely to be a line = more likely to get inside in time.

Taking away those stations and then still locking the doors even as people wait in line is suppression.

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turbopuns3 posted...

Like...ugh, I'm really getting worn out and just plain hot so I should stop lol but in all seriousness yes they did have months of advance warning that they could mail in votes if they wanted and that doors would close at 6pm. Lots of parking around the area near deadline? Like...uh, yeah guys? You should have anticipated that haha.

Or

Or

They could have not closed 95% of their polling places to cause those conditions.

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turbopuns3 posted...

I don't think that, please try to focus on the more important points or at least address my questions

turbopuns3 posted...

people who would normally have the means of traveling a mile or two in order to get to their polling place but not like 4 or 5 miles with a 2 week window (help me imagine a reason for this?), and simultaneously refuse to mail in

You clearly do though?

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I don't necessarily think Andy Beshear is racist

I do think Andy Beshear is naive and idealistic and thus potentially blind to the systematic racism of others.

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turbopuns3 posted...

people who don't pay any attention to anything in the world

people who don't feel like voting

people who don't trust the mail or a drop-box

people who would normally have the means of traveling a mile or two in order to get to their polling place but not like 4 or 5 miles with a 2 week window (help me imagine a reason for this?), and simultaneously refuse to mail in

I see you've already made your mind up that you're going to be a "blame the voter" guy, so I don't feel this discussion needs to go any further.

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turbopuns3 posted...

It's people like LeBron tweeting out "systemic racism" is destroying the Kentucky election. And not just him but others, too. When in reality it is just so far from that it's mind blowing to me.

Is it so far from it, though? Who do you think the people most likely to be impacted negatively by this are?

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xp1337 posted...

I still don't even know why kneeling is seen as a disrespectful gesture here. It's seen as a gesture of respect in pretty much every other context. Keapernick chose it precisely in order to honor a request that he show respect!

I think the closest anyone in this topic has ever gotten to trying to answer this for me is, "You're asked to stand!" but I mean the flag isn't asking you to stand. If anything you're disrespecting the PA person by ignoring them.

What it is is different from the norm, which draws attention... which is the goal. It's supposed to make you ask why they're choosing that alternate means which is an opening for them to give you the message.

was raising a fist on the olympic podium disrespectful too?

In the NFL, do you know what the most common response to somebody getting hurt on the field is?

To kneel.

Why is it considered respectful then but somehow super disrespectful during literally another part of the same event?

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SantaRPidgey posted...

Nah, dentists are all like this. It's all about lying and bleeding you dry.

My last dentist intentionally billed an entire crown to my insurance as just a basic dental filling because my insurance wasn't going to cover the crown even though it ended with him getting less money than if he had made me pay payments.

Obviously there are dentists out there that are like that but it tends to be more of an insurance issue than a dentist issue. Dental insurance tends to be pretty terrible and they find loopholes to not cover shit.

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NFUN posted...

If those factors are established in Universe, fine. I assume things are like reality unless it's already established they aren't, so if they aren't, they aren't.

To be fair, they're like, space missiles.

Seriously, though, they just went with "Him being small caused him to be repelled instead." You see him basically be thrown back along the edge of the blast:

https://i.imgur.com/vOXROHL.png

Obviously the real life physics can be debated about whether the blast would actually repel him like that or not, but the whole "Something of that size/mass could be repelled and survive it/the fall/whatever" is based on real science and not just something they completely pulled out of their ass. It probably doesn't truly apply to this kind of explosion, but they decided it does, and so there's internal logic behind "Going small saved his life."

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NFUN posted...

so that's the answer that should be agreed upon and not nonsense

You're trying to mix and match too much. The answer for why shrinking saved him, in the Marvel Universe, is because "Being that small caused the force of the blast to repel him away instead of enveloping him/cooking him, and he survived the fall because he's tiny and *explanation for why tiny things survive falls/etc. here*." That's their answer. They decided the physics of the blast work that way. Trying to apply "Well, no, that wouldn't work in real life" is just met with "It's a superhero movie and they decide what the physics are." The reasoning is based on actual science, it's just obviously blown up to ridiculous comic book standards.

EDIT: The point is there is an actual basis for why shrinking saved him.

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NFUN posted...

how is it repulsing him? either it's radiation pressure, where's he's getting fried, or it's air pressure, which would be at perhaps a million degrees if he's near ground zero, and if he's small enough to not get immediately killed by radiation the air is gonna be inflicting actual damage to him, especially when super-heated and moving very quickly. extreme brownian motion

Because it's a comic book movie and so it takes the physics that apply to things like ants and why they don't die from huge falls and the like and bumps them up to comic book standards for shit like this.

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NFUN posted...

how would that help?

he'd be able to avoid radiation if he got small enough but just make him get torn apart by the insane heat more easily

There's actually a science reason for this. The small size causes the explosion to repulse him away instead of get enveloped by it. You see him get blown away instead of get caught in it if you look hard enough.

EDIT: What's a bit more questionable is how Scott was smart enough to think to do it so quickly, but one could argue "Just shrink" has been his natural reaction to avoid stuff multiple times before.

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How much

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Jakyl25 posted...

Cant read the article because its behind a paywall. What was the outburst?

Also who says the NFL shouldnt be able to discipline anthem kneelers? Clearly they used to want to do that and could, and now they want to act progressive and support it, and both decisions are fully financial and within their rights, just as its our right to criticize them for either decision

During a moment of silence for Floyd, an officer said outloud "Is this for the injustice of having Derek Chauvin locked up?" They put the guy on paid leave basically for his own safety and because other officers felt uncomfortable about it.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

I know Rogan sucks in general, but it's just kind of shocking how stupid he comes off here without even realizing it.

https://twitter.com/hutchinson/status/1274391101953064962?s=19

"'Black Lives Matter?' What does that even mean? 'Defund the police?' They're just so messageless, they don't even know what they're fighting."

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look at you libs i bet you can't even drink water at all lololol cuck snowflakes meanwhile look at our man donald over here drinking like a fish i even thought he became a fish for a moment i was watching him lift the glass and suddenly he disappeared and it was fucking nemo no more like jaws there and i yelled upstairs i said "mom where did trump go" and she said "he's drinking water can you believe it" and i said "holy shit i didn't know that was trump i thought that was jaws" and we both started yelling maga maga maga maga for the next twenty hours

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Yeah, they've already confirmed it's that "halfway shit."

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Maybe next time he has a speech there, they'll just have a Hoveround waiting for him to triumphantly ride down the ramp.

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Trump 2020

Build those stairs! Build those stairs!

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The side that always calls the other side "snowflakes" is now admiring a guy that bitches about having to walk down a ramp and cheering him when he successfully takes a sip of water.

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Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars

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ctesjbuvf posted...

Where'd you see this?

https://twitter.com/abcboy101/status/1274355975760351234?s=19

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Something must have come of the Gallagher accusations, because WWE's first response was basically "Upon arrest, we suspend. Upon conviction, we terminate." But then they just flat out released him like half an hour ago.

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Ngamer64 posted...

Plus the movies get 10 bonus points because when Cap does "that thing" in the final fight scene, I cheered louder than I ever have in a movie theater. It was super special for me because I SWORE I saw him move Mjolnir at that party years earlier, and Thor noticed and almost freaked out, but whenever I mentioned it people told me I was a foolish dummyhead. Take THAT, everyone!

I think the coolest thing about that is they said that in canon, Cap could pick it up all along and realized when he tried it at the party, but he pretended he couldn't to not ruffle feathers, though Thor noticed anyway.

Knowing that in hindsight and then going back to the scene, you can notice it starts to move at first but then Cap stops to apparently adjust his grip and doesn't move it after that, and it suddenly paints that scene in a different light.

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