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Also if Rousey wins the women's rumble that is the worst thing
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Women's rumble main eventing seems like a HORRIBLE idea if the men's winner isn't somebody Philly likes
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Steiner posted...

22 - SEP

I'm feeling it, guys.

#21 is going to clear the ring.

#22 will be Tony Nese, who eliminates #21.

#23-30 will be Nese's abs.

SEP wins.
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Sign
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/verambergen/status/957659180403494912

When Trump suggested firing Mueller, that wasnt meant literally, it was just a New York way of speaking <_<

Really? Well I'm from Utica, and I've never heard anyone use the phrase "fire Bob Mueller"

Hey, look at this guy! We got a real Fire Bob Mueller over here!
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What he obviously meant was that he wanted to fire up the oven to get him a nice slice of 'za to get him really fired up for the Mets game. New Yoooooorrrrrrrk
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I don't mind thrown together tag teams when it makes sense. Bar was thrown together out of nowhere but have become really enjoyable, which is rare. Rusev Day made a bit more sense from the beginning because they didn't just randomly team together or get told to. There was the whole actual Rusev Day celebration thing first.
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Rusev has been presented as a heel that doesn't realize he's a heel for a long time, now. He's got all the usual lovable antics of a home-town hero... Except he's never in his home town. Thus instead of pandering to the crowd, he's actually insulting them. But he doesn't really go out of his way to do so, either, so it's still possible to like him.

It's interesting.

EDIT: Which actually becomes even more interesting when you pair him with Aiden, who is portrayed as very much knowing that Rusev's heel and almost goes out of his way to annoy and antagonize people with that fact.
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That said, before you go to that, are you completely sure he said "107" and not "#.7?"

If you are, then... Yeah. I'd totally look into suing.
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If you were legit measured as having a fever of 107 and the doctor just said "Get antibiotics" and sent you home, that is extreeeeeeeeeeme negligence
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You could pretty much sue over this

And pretty much any lawyer would be jumping at the chance to waive their usual up-front fees for it because it's such a slam dunk
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TheRock1525 posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Owens attacking was surprising but it wasn't really all that interesting because it was immediately "He wants the title."

Uh, did you forget how Owens complained about how Sami was called up first after talking about how they'd do everything together? Owens was practical, but he was also jealous and bitter towards Sami. It most definitely wasn't about just the title.

I mean Sami started challenging him and Owens refused unless the title was on the line
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TheRock1525 posted...

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I definitely disagree on the post-match being less interesting

A complete unexpected heel turn from a guy who was just celebrated with you in the ring seconds earlier.

Vs.

Guy who hates you and is injured still hates you and is still injured.

Like argue Gargano/Almas is better all you want, that's fine but the post-match stuff doesn't even compare.

I think you're confusing "surprising" with "interesting"

Owens attacking was surprising but it wasn't really all that interesting because it was immediately "He wants the title."
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I definitely disagree on the post-match being less interesting

The title isn't the basis of it so it's more personal, and it'll be interesting to see what Gargano does from a "rock bottom" kind of standing. Also Candice.
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TheRock1525 posted...

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TheRock1525 posted...

Oh I should have probably kept watching and saw that Ciampa.

Now I know for sure Zayn/Neville was better because Gargano/Almas just aped their ending!

They're not really much alike, story-wise. >_>

Former best friend attacks guy after match.

Sounds the same to me.

Well yeah if you break it down that generically

Zayn won the title and was celebrating with Owens when Owens turned

Ciampa had already turned on Gargano and he returned to kick the guy when he was already down

Different details, different impact
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TheRock1525 posted...

Oh I should have probably kept watching and saw that Ciampa.

Now I know for sure Zayn/Neville was better because Gargano/Almas just aped their ending!

They're not really much alike, story-wise. >_>
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Best ever, I'd argue
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redrocket_pub posted...

But it was an actual name still. It wasn't a title then, is the point.

Yes, but he basically used it as one.

Like, Neo's saying it's in homage to Augustus just as much, but Augustus himself was basically already going "Caesar means something, I'll just go by that." He used it because it was important moreso than he made it important.
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redrocket_pub posted...

Actually it was legally part of his name since his adoption by Julius.

Right, but what I mean is that the reasoning for dropping/changing his own name and emphasizing "Caesar" was to play up the political power of the name itself.

He kept dropping more and more of the rest to just emphasize "Caesar."
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I mean, the title itself is in homage to Julius, so it's extremely NOT weird.

I dunno that I agree with that! It's at least as much a homage to Augustus, who was the one who actually became emperor of Rome and ruled for decades, pretty much establishing the Roman Empire. It became a title because it was the family name of the first five emperors.

In an alternate reality where Marc Anthony becomes the first emperor of Rome instead, there's no way the name Caesar catches on as a title.

Augustus specifically called himself "Imperator Caesar" because of Julius. It wasn't his own name. >_>
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I pretty much am cool with all of them but base Vegeta/Goku. Not too keen on yet another Goku and yet another Vegeta.

I never expected characters like Jiren yet because it's way too early. They draw most of their inspiration from the manga, where characters like that either aren't in it yet or have barely been in it. I'd expect them if there's enough interest for a "season 2" of DLC.
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Xiahou Shake posted...

Hoping that some of those turn out just to be lobby avatars and the door stays open for more interesting picks like Roshi/Kefla.

Does not compute.
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LapisLazuli posted...

I've never said that before, suck it.

I've seen you say it atleast twice
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I'm sorta eh because most of Vegeta's stuff exists in his other forms already

Though I'd be down if they threw in some Great Ape stuff
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Damnit SEP

It's the Left 4 Dead pier all over again

Sniped, son
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GANON1025 posted...

Hmmm

That's been proved fake already

However, Sergio, an actually known dataminer, found lobby avatars that don't exist in the game for:

-Broly
-Bardock
-Cooler
-Fused Zamasu
-Vegito
-Base Goku
-Base Vegeta
-17(DBS Ver.)
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I would just like whoever runs it to auto-add me into signups please because I always work and/or sleep past the sign-up topic and miss it and am sad
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There's no clear answer what Caesar it is, as coins with Tiberius, Augustus, and Julius would have all been in circulation at the time.
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I would actually very much like to see Cass do the whole "S-A-W-F-T" thing and then Gulak stop him before he can finish to correct him on the spelling

Perfect team let's do this
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Typo? What typo?

Harrich denies the typo ever happened. He doesn't just deny it, he completely denies it.
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Randomly thrown together

Randomly thrown together?!

I'll have you know, sir, that Gran Metallik, Kalisto, and Lince Dorado all wear masks!
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I can't believe my favorite APWT joke almost made me go "Wait, how is Miz a problem?"
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Jakyl25 posted...

Its a discussion about the concept of politics moreso than an actual political discussion though.

My take: Vince is deliberately courting that market, but using language vague enough to not make it seem like its ONLY for them, because thats a nightmare financially

That's basically my take as well, and why he's not going "'MERICA!"
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...This is a really dumb debate that has taken up too many posts, so let's just agree to disagree

I think Vince is specifically trying to take advantage of a Trump crowd/possible Trump endorsement
You basically just think he's an idiot who doesn't actually know what he meant.

Both are possible.
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Lopen posted...

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He's speaking to the audience he's trying to reach.

My whole point is that it's not a calculated decision to reach that audience.

He's trying to reach an audience that is bigger, and failing because of his mindset fundamentally being in that audience. If he was explicitly trying to reach that audience there are more effective ways to market your product imo.

No, because that audience is "no politics = my politics." Not "No politics = no politics."

Let me break this down.

To that audience, "No politics" = "my politics."
To a general audience, "no politics" = "no politics."

If he was speaking to the general audience, then yes, it'd be more effective to not have the anthem, period.

But the fact that he went "They must stand" suggests he's speaking to that audience, not the general audience, because not standing is directly a problem to that audience.

Like, let's say Vince says "There will be pies. We will serve pizza."

To you and me, we may question "Now, hold on. Is he saying no fruit pies, no cream pies...?"

But to New Yorkers, they're more likely to instantly just go "Okay, he means there will be pizza."

And if Vince is somebody who is also of the mind "pie" = "pizza," then it's more likely that he's specifically speaking to New Yorkers instead of just in general deciding to say "pies" and then backtrack to "pizza."

So Vince, as a Trumper, is more likely to be speaking to other Trumpers than to a general audience and just backtracking to a Trumper view.
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Lopen posted...

I'm also saying "no politics" doesn't necessary make you a Trump supporter btw. I think you're way underselling how annoyed people as a whole are by political stuff popping up where they're not interested in talking about it if you think this is entirely a Trump vs not Trump thing.

I never said "No politics" makes you a Trump supporter.

I'm saying to most Trump supporters, "no politics" has a very specific meaning, and it's not the same meaning as it is to you and I.

Thus, my argument is that when Vince, a Trump supporter, is saying "No politics," he's not speaking to you or me... He's speaking to the audience he's trying to reach, who understand it as something different than you or I do.
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Lopen posted...

I think he tried to tap into the "no politics" crowd, didn't fully understand its composition, and and because he's a Trump supporter his natural resolution to the dispute was to force standing for the Anthem. The alternative of just not playing it probably never entered his mind.

Which literally brings us back to the argument that I believe a majority of Trump supporters are "No politics = my politics," whereas you think they aren't.

My argument is that to a majority of Trump supporters, the anthem in general isn't "bringing politics into" anything, only the protests did. To them, the anthem is just something that should and does happen, so it's not political in their minds. Hence "No politics." No politics = no protests.

So there's not really an argument here other than a differing opinion.
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Lopen posted...

Not really. It could just mean he's an idiot that doesn't realize the implications of the two statements "we don't want politics to be involved" and "so we're requiring all players stand for the anthem" being made in the same train of thought.

I mean, that suggests he just came up with "Players should stand for the anthem" with nothing actually influencing the decision at all, which is a pretty big leap. Given that he's a Trump supporter, it's definitely much more logical to assume he intended to tap into that crowd, or at the least get a Trump endorsement.
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Lopen posted...

I'm saying I don't think he is actually going after that crowd

Requiring players to stand for the anthem means he's definitely going after that crowd to some degree, since, like you said, it'd just be easier to not have the anthem at all if he wasn't
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I don't fully get why this argument is even taking place

We both agree it's not a good idea

I'm merely stating he's going after the "my politics" Trumper crowd which seems to make up a majority, while you're trying to... Defend their honor or something? >_>
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Wow, what a baby

Trump needs his safe space
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Lopen posted...

The loud ones on Twitter are more the "my politics" crowd

Not really sure that's the majority though. Think there's probably more people who just get annoyed by politics everywhere.

Eh, I'd disagree with that. When most polls were showing half to a majority of people saying "players should stand" or "players are doing the wrong thing," that makes the "my politics" crowd definitely seem bigger. The only thing that went the other way is "should they be punished."

It's not question a large "my politics" Trump crowd exists.

The question is are they large enough/worth marketing to with football.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

https://twitter.com/AriyaDaivariWWE/status/956636454259691522

It's worth it for that alone
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I mean, a lot of those "no politics" people also were against going back to players being in the lockerroom during the anthem, so

A lot of the "no politics" Trump crowd is definitely "my politics"
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Lopen posted...

He's pitching it in a way that implies he's going for people upset with politics in football. I'm saying his current strategy goes for 'MERICA people. I'm not actually sure that is his intent. You'd think if you were going for those people you'd play that up harder instead of saying "we don't want politics involved during the game" cause if you really don't want politics involved during the game there's a better optimal method to remove that (which is getting rid of the anthem being played entirely, as I said)

You're not thinking like that audience, though

When a Trumper thinks "no politics," they think "no protesting," not... No anthem/etc., period. So to them, "no politics" means "No protesting. Stand like intended."
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Lopen posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

If you're going after that crowd, you publicize it to get them to tune in in the first place.

I think there's more people in the crowd annoyed by anthem stuff than 'MERICA people. A lot of people just don't like that there's political stuff in the football whatsoever. It has nothing to do with whether a dude is kneeling for the anthem or not but rather that it's a point of focus to begin with in a game of football.

I'm not saying it's a good idea, and it's why I questioned how big the audience is in general

I'm merely saying that's specifically the audience he's going for with that: The 'MERICA people.
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Lopen posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Nah, that'd have the opposite effect on those people.

Only if they're actively following these press conferences and are gung ho 'MERICA people

I don't think people will notice the lack of an anthem being played if it's not mentioned on TV or in the media and I'm not sure why it would be

I mean, yeah, that's the point. If you're going after that crowd, you publicize it to get them to tune in in the first place.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

stupid stuff like the anthem in the NFL, then doubling down on that is a very good idea.

On the other hand, how much of that audience is actually going to be a football watching audience

you don't live in the south do you

I do

I don't mean in general, though. I mean... How big is the audience that boycotts the NFL because of the anthem protests and actually watches football vs. just getting mad over it because.
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Lopen posted...

You want to double down on "getting upset over stupid stuff like the anthem" the obvious solution is "we are not playing the national anthem" but I guess that was too extreme for Vince

Nah, that'd have the opposite effect on those people.
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On one hand, if his aim is to try to capture the Trump audience who actually gets upset over stupid stuff like the anthem in the NFL, then doubling down on that is a very good idea.

On the other hand, how much of that audience is actually going to be a football watching audience, and why would you actually want that audience
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