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Rasmoh posted...

Got warned for being racist, unreal.

Critiquing minorities in any way is now racist. Guess that shouldn't surprise me.
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Got warned for pointing out toxic parts of a culture, unreal.
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darkknight109 posted...

Racist horseshit like this does not merit a serious response.

It's not racism. Numerous studies have indicated that ethnically homogeneous societies have higher levels of trust, lower levels of crime, higher social cohesion, and an increased willingness to help people. This is largely because societal progress has rapidly outpaced human evolution. We are still tribal creatures on an instinctual level, despite how much we like to pretend that isn't so. This translates into people being more willing to do things like try and rehabilitate criminals. Never mind things like population issues and bordering countries that make comparing the US to Norway increasingly absurd.

And again, it's not racism to point out the largely toxic mindset pushed in modern black American culture and to a lesser extent, Hispanic culture. It's not only considered acceptable, but encouraged, in many black communities to drop out of school, sell drugs, rob people, and do drive-bys on people for wearing the wrong colored shirt. It's considered "acting white" to obey the law and do honest work to improve your life. This is coupled with the fact that there's a huge push in media and academia towards denying that blacks are culpable in any way. The utter lack of introspection destroys black communities across the country because change starts from within.
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darkknight109 posted...

You're moving the goalposts because you're no longer talking about illegal immigrants - now you're just talking about legal citizens.

Regardless, I'm interested in seeing a source on this "staggering" burden, because I've never come across any such analysis.

It's not moving the goalposts when you play the Statistical Omission game to masquerade the negative effects of illegal immigration. If these illegals weren't here, their "legal" children wouldn't be chomping up public resources paid for by law-abiding citizens.

Here's a source: https://cis.org/sites/default/files/camarota-welfare-illegals_1.pdf

You know what the fuck I meant by that - don't be obtuse, you're smarter than this.

I'm not being obtuse, you're adding a moronic qualifier to make a bogus statement seem credible. "If you exclude the crime they're committing, they don't commit as much crime!"

Wrong. While the children of illegal immigrants do have higher crime rates than their parents, they are not higher than the national average. It typically takes between one and two generations for crime rates to "normalize"; at no point are the rates for immigrants and their children, including illegal immigrants, higher than the general population.

Illegal immigrants commit more crimes by default, so there's one part down. I can't find any statistics on crimes committed by the children of illegals, sadly. There are numerous potential reasons why this is the case of course, such as lack of reporting because victims are often illegals who fear punishment or family members who don't want to get the law involved. Not to mention the fact that most law enforcement agencies don't track this information. Regardless, considering that they shouldn't be here in the first place, any amount is too much.

And yet, in areas where immigrants (legal or otherwise) are removed from industries (whether that be through ICE raids or political actions like Brexit), the market fails to self-correct.

Gee golly jeepers, you mean to tell me that decades of slave labor resulting in suppressed wages and shit working conditions isn't something that corrects itself quickly? It's a no-brainer, especially when you consider the ripple effect it has in driving people into other industries, thus expanding labor pools in more or less every field. Considering that illegal immigration is still widely used to import slave labor, we're not going to see the market self-correct because the issue still hasn't been resolved nor has enough time passed to fix the employment issues caused by illegals.

If you want to understand why wages are stagnant

There are a multitude of reasons why wages are stagnant, huge amounts of available labor being just one of the larger reasons. Technological innovations, jobs becoming obsolete, outsourcing, etc. Unions also tend to be rife with corruption with a large focus on appeasing senior members of the the unions. And again, huge amounts of workers being available means that unions have even less bargaining power.

Meanwhile, in Norway,

Norway is not comparable to the US in any way. Not only is it overwhelmingly more ethnically homogeneous, it also is overwhelmingly smaller. A segment of our population that totals more than 7 times the total population of Norway revels in a culture that glorifies crime and treats it like a goal to aspire to. We have an unsecured border with a cartel-ran narco-state. Being the largest consumer nation in the world, we also have much more opportunity for people to be career criminals, especially since most crimes are met with slaps on the wrist (though we do have a lot of crimes that shouldn't be crimes, primarily drug possession).
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darkknight109 posted...

Illegal immigrants are net payers into the social welfare system. They pay things like sales tax and payroll tax, just like everyone else, and thereby help to pay for programs that they are ineligible to take advantage of, such as Social Security and Medicare. In other words, if, tomorrow, every illegal immigrant in America decided to self-deport, the government would suffer a net loss of about $7 billion a year.

That's the dictionary definition of a manipulated statistic and you know it. Illegal immigrants may pay in more than they consume as a stand-alone statistic, but their 5 children who are "legal" courtesy of 14th amendment loophole bullshit demolish that gap thanks to food stamps, medicaid, welfare housing, translation services, etc. Not to mention they jack up prices in non-tax related situations in areas such as emergency rooms and housing markets. If illegals and their "legal" children all self-deported, the relief on pretty much every system we have would be staggering.

The relationship between illegal immigration and crime has been extensively studied and an overwhelming majority of analyses indicate that illegal immigrants commit crime at markedly lower rates than native-born citizens.

Literally impossible because 100% of illegal immigrants are criminals. And again, their children drive up these crime rates but get lumped into the native-born citizen category to further the disparity. Each and every one of these farcical "studies" would crumble to the fucking ground if they didn't manipulate these statistics, after all.

The idea that immigrants suppress wages is the only one of the points you brought up that is at least debatable. Studies have shown mixed results, but the general trend is that wage suppression as a result of illegal immigration is either extremely minor or non-existent. In addition, illegal immigrants tend to do work in areas that native-born citizens refuse to work in (such as agriculture), either because of low pay, the brutal nature of the job, or both.

Illegals have made shitloads of industries unworkable for normal citizens because they're willing to be modern day slaves, which drives down wages and work conditions. Of course, leftists love slave labor so this isn't a problem for them. And again, their children increase competition in the overall labor pool, which suppresses wages across all industries because of a surplus of labor.

You can deport someone without being a heartless asshole to them, as pretty much every prior administration has managed to prove.

The problem is that not being quick and callous against criminals results in a horrifically bloated system that ends up rewarding criminal behavior. Literally every system of criminal punishment that doesn't quickly punish and remove criminals is bloated to the point of nigh-ineffectiveness. The modern phenomena of jerking off criminals and making excuses for their behavior is careening us down a path of collapse because we're literally not going to have the resources to punish people for extremely heinous crimes. It's already happening in justice departments across the country. We're killing ourselves with misplaced kindness.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

It can be decided objectively.

How do you plan to "objectively" decide how much money that belongs to someone else should get taken from them?

That explains all billionaires, it's also why wealth is better off in more hands.

Billionaires are to blame for many people being poor, but their actual money has little to do with that.

Nightengale posted...

Okay you're not someone who can be debated with clearly.

He's not wrong though, working in a warehouse is something that pretty much anyone is capable of doing.
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2.
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OhhhJa posted...

How petty and bored do you have to be to keep this lame ass argument going as long as yall have?

Still less petty than TC's friend.
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Oregon is ghetto and full of fires though. And Portland doesn't have plastic bags.
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The Office >= Parks and Rec > 30 Rock = Community

All good shows though.
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DeathMagnetic80 posted...

Most gansta rappers do rap about the realities of their neighborhood... but they rarely do any of that shit. It's an act.

So? If the realities are that bad, why make a living of glorifying that lifestyle? And how do you know they don't do exactly what they rap about? And as some people have insinuated, it's possible that this was staged to give this guy more "street cred".

The kicker is that if this incident really happened, it will do nothing to change this guys tone. He'll still go on dropping tracks about how shooting and robbing people.
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EclairReturns posted...

It's almost like karma!

To call it karma is even a stretch. It's essentially just the logical outcome of what he promotes.

The best part is that he still cried to the police despite being a typical "fuck the police" style rapper.
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OhhhJa posted...

Because gangsta rappers promote that exact lifestyle

This, for real. How can you sympathize with someone experiencing the lifestyle that he makes millions of dollars promoting?
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From the other topic:

I think it's silly to fire people for tweets, but if Roseanne can get fired for a quasi-racist tweet, why shouldn't the same happen to this guy?
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I think it's silly to fire people for tweets, but if Roseanne can get fired for a quasi-racist tweet, why shouldn't the same happen to this guy?
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Doctor Foxx posted...

MOST of them predate the campaign by over a decade. And were reported long ago.

That very list you gave me only listed one person who came forwarded prior to 2016, and even that person called up Trump's campaign and requested a job.

It's all so blatantly a sham.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Um he was accused many times before the presidential run

You are correct, I apologize. A brief scan of wikipedia didn't immediately pull up that information.

Regardless though, not one of these accusations has ever been met with any sort of legal prosecution because of the overwhelming lack of evidence.

And again, it's very telling that most of these accusations didn't surface until just before the election.
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Mead posted...

Why were they foolish enough to not film themselves when being assaulted

I get what you're saying, but prosecuting someone without proof would obviously never work and is the only reasonable way to handle that kind of situation.

Also, it sure is funny how a billionaire who was world-renowned for decades didn't get accused of these things until he was taking the presidency.

Back to the topic at hand though, can anyone explain why this is a bad thing? Is there a single good reason why women should be able to destroy the lives of men with just words and no evidence?
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Trump administration requires schools to have evidence beyond hearsay before ruining someone's life...is that a bad thing?

The repercussions for false rape claims are almost non-existent, not to mention that there are large amounts of murky "rapes" that really do amount to things like sex between drunk adults or regret cases.
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Your friend sounds very insecure and immature. Mouthing off to a mother and her children is some real "little man syndrome" shit. It literally does nothing but make him seem like a wanna-be tough guy.
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Halo
GTA 3
Warcraft 3
World of Warcraft
Super Smash Bros Melee
Morrowind

I think Halo and GTA 3 are great picks because they really did usher in a new era of gaming. I say that despite the fact that I never really cared for Halo. WoW both popularized and destroyed the MMO genre, so it definitely belongs there. I am also of the opinion that WoW is the largest contributor to gaming going from a niche nerd hobby to becoming acceptable in the mainstream.

The other picks I feel are a bit more dicey. WC3 was kind of the king of RTS games in it's time and it birthed DotA, which is extremely notable.

I picked Melee because I think it was the only Nintendo game that had mainstream appeal. I also don't know if it's because of where I live, but it's the only fighting game that I ever seemed to hear people talk about. Melee was instrumental in turning SSB into a system-selling series as well.

Morrowind began the popularization of massive open-world RPGs. I don't know what else to say beyond that unfortunately, so perhaps that's the weakest fit.

I think the common theme among 2000s games though is the shift from niche hobby to mainstream.
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At least 10.

Also, do chocolate chips count? What about french fries?
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Jen0125 posted...

We're able to easily. It's not some giant burden. Christ on a cracker.

Importing shitloads of uneducated foreigners isn't a burden? Are you really this fucking delusional?

Oh gosh, and why is that? Is it possibly because the wealthy don't pull their weight in our society? And whose fault is that??

Is it on the wealthy to pay for shitloads of foreigners to come here and get free shit?

Also, I'd be willing to wager that the "wealthy that don't pull their weight" contribute far more to society than the people entering illegally.

And whose fault is it that the middle class and lower class constantly have to pay higher taxes while their rich and corporate buddies get massive tax breaks??

Funny how you blame the rich for not having more of their income taken from them, but don't blame the rich for being the ones with the incentive to import shitloads of cheap labor.

I also like how you ignored all the other negatives of illegal immigration that almost exclusively affect the lower and middle classes.

my taxes already pay for resources for the homeless if they want to make use of them.

So because of a scant amount of your taxes go to helping the homeless, you're good? You can always be helping more, just as you seem to expect everyone else to do, even to their detriment. You are quite the hypocrite.
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FatalAccident posted...

are you Americans only capable of seeing the world in two dimensions ie liberal/conservative? Looks like youll follow one or the other to the ends of the earth regardless of actual merit

Are you so blind as to assume that anyone really sees it that way? Liberals are just the primary group of people who shit their pants any time Trump acts in a way that doesn't line up with what they want. Or if he does do what they want.
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Jen0125 posted...

Man, I can't imagine being so callous towards human beings just because of an imaginary divide created over a map. Get some perspective.

FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

A fucking men.

Uh oh, it's the "You're So Heartless!" Brigade, coming to gloss over criminal behavior with cries of emotion!

How is it not equally callous to force our own citizens to bear the burden of unchecked illegal immigration? You do realize that lower and middle class people are the ones who have to deal with the plethora of negatives associated with people illegally entering our country, right? Is it not callous tell someone that they have to deal with increased taxes, even more thinly stretched social programs, increased crime, suppressed wages, etc or they're evil?

Also, assuming you don't invite every homeless person that you see to come live with you, you are equally as callous as I am.
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Delusional libs turning it up to an 11, I see.
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Doesn't matter, 2020 is a throwaway election.

Also, mega lol @ anyone who thinks Bernie would have beaten Trump.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

Dunno. Cause they're children?

Oh shit, children are sad! Fuck having borders and law and shit now!
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I keep seeing this posted everywhere. How the fuck could Kylie Jenner ever be considered "self-made"?
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Mead posted...

Conservatives dont care about that though cause those people are criminals that were born in the wrong place

They are criminals that committed crimes. Being born in a poor area doesn't give you the right to intrude into a wealthier area.
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Sahuagin posted...

there's an interesting ethical question about starting to enforce a law that was never enforced before.

It's not really that interesting. All it really does is shit on people who try to enforce the rules.

Shit like this though is why birthright citizenship needs to be reworked. Pregnancy Tourism and Immigration are absolute bullshit. I'm fully in support of deporting people though, regardless of whatever humdrum sob story they've cooked up to make the rules not apply to them.
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Zeus posted...

All things considered, Michael Scott is a poor man's David Brent.

Michael Scott and David Brent are almost nothing alike though.
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I hated Michael on my first viewing of The Office. Now though, he's hands down my favorite character. The show just isn't the same without him.
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Jen0125 posted...

The gate to my patio isn't flush with the wall so she'd be able to escape to the outside world and I don't want her to. She's mine forever.

I understand that. It's a tough choice as a cat owner whether or not to let them out. I moved to a house recently where I let my cats out and they are much happier than my previous place where they had to be inside only, but I also find that I am far more often worried for their safety. You win some, you lose some, I guess.
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That is a very cute cat.

Any reason you can't let it out?
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Really stunning that the cop didn't do anything. Shameful.
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Only when discussing why your pizza sales are down.
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Henry Weinhard.

Most are good though, except for Barq's.
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darkknight109 posted...

I like to call speeding tickets "idiot taxes"

I like this term because it's so true, especially when you factor in that speeding is almost always a useless thing to do. Unless you are speeding at an insane level or driving a pretty long distance, speeding almost always only saves minuscule amounts of time and can be completely negated by something like a red light or emergency vehicle.
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Mead posted...

Crossing the border is more of a civil violation than a crime.

No, it's trespassing on a federal level.

Anyone defending that has a lot less merit as a human being than most of the folks coming to the US legally or otherwise

Nope. These people choose to commit crimes with their children in tow. They should count themselves lucky that a brief separation is all they have to endure.

What's really sad is that so many people fall for blatant emotional manipulation.
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Imagine ranting and raving this much over something that is your own damn fault. 10/10 comedy topic.
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Mead posted...

when the document was written

Not sure this is the argument you want to use. At the time, if shitloads of nonwhite foreign nationals stormed the country and demanded the government take care of them, they'd either be shot on sight or sold into slavery.
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OhhhJa posted...

Cops are largely inept morons who chose the job as a last resort because they have no real skills. All they do is write traffic tickets, respond to domestic disputes, write up paperwork for crimes after the fact and often fuck up any more serious scenarios they encounter.

This is amazing, you really believe all of this, don't you? I can only assume that you are an aeronautics engineer for SpaceX or something similar.

Also, did you seriously call me a baby boomer earlier? I'm 29 years old.
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OhhhJa posted...

But hey... keep sticking up for police state revenue gathering if that's your thing. Cops are capable of being wrong/lying. They're people too. As a matter of fact, they're often fucking dumb as rocks

You sound like a mad teenager. I guess I can keep sticking up for the "police state revenue gathering" because I'm a good enough driver to avoid that.

streamofthesky posted...

You mean like when they shoot unarmed (usually black) people and claim they felt in fear for their life?

Probably because they're in head-to-head confrontations with the most dangerous people society has to offer and don't have the gift of hindsight to protect themselves.
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OhhhJa posted...

4 to 6 inches away and I would have hit the fucking mirror. Get your heads out of your asses

Bad driver is mad driver. Learn to drive and you won't get hammered by tickets.
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Mead posted...

Bigotry, hate, and fear will not prevail.

Neither will blind altruism. Enforcing the rule of law is going to result in someone somewhere suffering, no matter what mindless mantras you have to chant to make yourself feel better.
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adjl posted...

That said, if you don't want a traffic fine, drive better. It's really not hard to avoid tickets. A ticket shouldn't destroy one's life, but that doesn't mean it's okay to get it in the first place.

Never thought I would so wholeheartedly agree with adjl, but this is true. I've never gotten a ticket and it's been nearly a decade since I've even been pulled over. Same goes for my wife. It's insanely easy to not get a ticket.
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OhhhJa posted...

Maybe they have too many fucking cops on their payroll because that is fucking outrageous if they need to extort that kind of cash to function

Maybe you're just a shitty driver? It's like Driving 101 to get over for emergency vehicles.

Speeding tickets are my favorite though, it's as though no one realizes how truly futile speeding really is.
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Shouldn't blame be on the owners for not locking up their animals on the 4th? I made sure all of my cats were inside...
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Fam_Fam posted...

whether or not you think that's a problem is one issue, but how one cannot see the difference is beyond me.

Fundamentally, there isn't really a difference until more information can be given to us. All that exists thus far is extremely vague definitions of interference that are akin to someone like John Oliver saying that Americans can't let Trump become president.
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