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WastelandCowboy 07/20/18 9:00:28 PM #1:	https://www.npr.org/2018/07/20/630742928/trump-administration-defends-campus-sexual-assault-rules Trump administration lawyers are defending their new rules on how campuses should handle cases of sexual assault. Education Secretary Betsy DeVos issued the new guidance last fall after scrapping Obama-era rules that she said were forcing schools to violate the due process rights of the accused. Survivors' advocates filed a federal lawsuit shortly after, arguing DeVos' replacement guidelines discriminate against accusers and discourage them from reporting assaults. "The message that is sent is that the administration believes that women who report sexual harassment and violence are liars," says Jennifer Reisch, legal director of Equal Rights Advocates, one of three groups that brought the lawsuit. She spoke to reporters Thursday after a hearing on the lawsuit at the U.S. District Court in San Francisco. DeVos' interim guidelines allow schools to demand a higher standard of evidence that would make it tougher to prove an assault, permit schools to hear appeals only from the accused, and let investigations go on for an indefinite amount of time. None of that was allowed in the Obama era. The prior administration also used to require schools to protect alleged victims during investigations; now that is at schools' discretion. And the old norm of making the accused student stay away from the accuser is now considered unfair. Schools are supposed to be evenhanded prompting some to rely on "no-contact" orders that apply to both students. But Reisch argues that putting the onus on alleged victims unfairly punishes them by restricting where they can go and live. "It is sending a message that you come forward at your peril," she says. Robin Thurston, a senior counsel for the Democracy Forward Foundation and one of the attorneys bringing the lawsuit against the Trump administration's guidance, says, "Survivors are being chilled from coming forward." "The guidance harms women," Thurston says. "And we think there's really significant evidence that the decision-makers at the Department of Education were motivated by a view that women and girls in general make false accusations of sexual assault. And the law is very clear that if the government was motivated by a discriminatory mindset, that's unconstitutional." The lawsuit cites public comments by DeVos that plaintiffs say exaggerate the problem of false accusations. It also points to a comment from the then-acting Assistant Secretary for Civil Rights Candice Jackson, who told The New York Times last summer that she believed "90 percent" of campus sexual assault allegations are really just about drunk sex or morning-after regrets. Jackson later apologized for the "flippant" remark, insisting it poorly characterized her actual beliefs. The lawsuit also cites comments from President Trump, who has dismissed women who've accused him as "phony accusers" who out for "some free fame." "This discriminatory and stereotyped view of women and girls has become formal White House policy," the suit argues, and the "administration's animus toward woman gives license to ... Executive branch decision makers who share the same discriminatory views." Government officials declined to comment on pending litigation, but in court papers, attorneys argue that a "handful of statements" do not prove "sexism" or discriminatory intent. They argue the case should be thrown out on procedural grounds because the plaintiffs haven't sufficiently established that they were harmed by the new guidance and because the guidance is only temporary anyway. Defense attorney Justin Dillon, who represents students accused of sexual assault but is not involved with the case, calls it "completely frivolous." <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:905444352] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote>https://www.npr.org/2018/07/20/630742928/trump-administration-defends-campus-sexual-assault-rules <quote>Trump administration lawyers are defending their new rules on how campuses should handle cases of sexual assault. Education Secretary Betsy DeVos issued the new guidance last fall after scrapping Obama-era rules that she said were forcing schools to violate the due process rights of the accused. Survivors' advocates filed a federal lawsuit shortly after, arguing DeVos' replacement guidelines discriminate against accusers and discourage them from reporting assaults. "The message that is sent is that the administration believes that women who report sexual harassment and violence are liars," says Jennifer Reisch, legal director of Equal Rights Advocates, one of three groups that brought the lawsuit. She spoke to reporters Thursday after a hearing on the lawsuit at the U.S. District Court in San Francisco. DeVos' interim guidelines allow schools to demand a higher standard of evidence that would make it tougher to prove an assault, permit schools to hear appeals only from the accused, and let investigations go on for an indefinite amount of time. None of that was allowed in the Obama era. The prior administration also used to require schools to protect alleged victims during investigations; now that is at schools' discretion. And the old norm of making the accused student stay away from the accuser is now considered unfair. Schools are supposed to be evenhanded prompting some to rely on "no-contact" orders that apply to both students. But Reisch argues that putting the onus on alleged victims unfairly punishes them by restricting where they can go and live. "It is sending a message that you come forward at your peril," she says. Robin Thurston, a senior counsel for the Democracy Forward Foundation and one of the attorneys bringing the lawsuit against the Trump administration's guidance, says, "Survivors are being chilled from coming forward." "The guidance harms women," Thurston says. "And we think there's really significant evidence that the decision-makers at the Department of Education were motivated by a view that women and girls in general make false accusations of sexual assault. And the law is very clear that if the government was motivated by a discriminatory mindset, that's unconstitutional." The lawsuit cites public comments by DeVos that plaintiffs say exaggerate the problem of false accusations. It also points to a comment from the then-acting Assistant Secretary for Civil Rights Candice Jackson, who told The New York Times last summer that she believed "90 percent" of campus sexual assault allegations are really just about drunk sex or morning-after regrets. Jackson later apologized for the "flippant" remark, insisting it poorly characterized her actual beliefs. The lawsuit also cites comments from President Trump, who has dismissed women who've accused him as "phony accusers" who out for "some free fame." "This discriminatory and stereotyped view of women and girls has become formal White House policy," the suit argues, and the "administration's animus toward woman gives license to ... Executive branch decision makers who share the same discriminatory views." Government officials declined to comment on pending litigation, but in court papers, attorneys argue that a "handful of statements" do not prove "sexism" or discriminatory intent. They argue the case should be thrown out on procedural grounds because the plaintiffs haven't sufficiently established that they were harmed by the new guidance and because the guidance is only temporary anyway. Defense attorney Justin Dillon, who represents students accused of sexual assault but is not involved with the case, calls it "completely frivolous."</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 07/20/18 9:01:35 PM #2:	Dillon was the lawyer who sued the Obama administration in 2016, arguing its guidance was unlawful because it didn't go through the proper approval process. But he says that case was different because it specifically named a student and a school harmed by the policy. That lawsuit was withdrawn after the Obama-era guidance was revoked by the Trump administration. Dillon calls DeVos' September 2017 guidance a "good tonal shift, and a good signal to universities that the era of ignoring due process is over." While he says he is disappointed that it hasn't yet sparked more changes in campus policies, he says campuses that are making changes are making things more fair. For example, he says that DeVos' new rules protect students from being "ambushed" without knowing the charges or evidence against them and that interim measures now tend to be less "draconian." And if not, Dillon says, the new guidance makes it easier to assert accused students' due process rights, as happened when a school kicked one of his clients off campus while an investigation was still pending. "I went to them and cited the guidance and said, 'You can't do this, you're interfering with his education,' " he recalls. "And in that case, I was able to persuade them to let him back on campus." For schools, the change has brought some measure of confusion. Most are taking a wait-and-see approach, as DeVos is expected to propose permanent rules this fall. It may take until the end of the school year, or longer, for those rules to be finalized. In the meantime, campuses continue to face lawsuits from alleged victims and increasingly successful legal challenges from accused students. "In a lot of ways, it does feel like you're a bit caught in the middle," says Martha Alexander, executive director of the Office Of Institutional Equity and Equal Opportunity and Title IX coordinator for the University of Kentucky. The university just changed its policy in June. It keeps the standard of evidence low, but Alexander says, "To make it a more balanced policy to make sure all parties had a fair shot," it builds in more due process protections for accused students. Hearing panels now need to be unanimous when finding a student at fault, and only accused students are now allowed to bring appeals. "I think that this policy, and these changes, really is a step towards getting to a more fair system," Alexander says. Many campuses say they welcome what they see as more freedom to set rules as they see fit, with less onerous oversight from the government. Peter McDonough, vice president and general counsel for the American Council on Education, a group that represents college and university presidents, says many college presidents are no longer operating in constant fear of the Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights, which oversees enforcement of Title IX, the federal law that bars gender discrimination in education. Back in the days of the Obama administration, when an individual student complained to the OCR about his or her school, the office would not only investigate that case it would automatically trigger a systemic investigation of the school, checking for anything else that might be amiss, which could take years. Campuses felt investigations would stay open "until something was found," McDonough says, which was viewed as a "gotcha approach." Under the Trump administration, a student complaint to the government is treated more like an isolated incident. McDonough says schools now see the government as more ally than adversary. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:905444400] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><quote>Dillon was the lawyer who sued the Obama administration in 2016, arguing its guidance was unlawful because it didn't go through the proper approval process. But he says that case was different because it specifically named a student and a school harmed by the policy. That lawsuit was withdrawn after the Obama-era guidance was revoked by the Trump administration. Dillon calls DeVos' September 2017 guidance a "good tonal shift, and a good signal to universities that the era of ignoring due process is over." While he says he is disappointed that it hasn't yet sparked more changes in campus policies, he says campuses that are making changes are making things more fair. For example, he says that DeVos' new rules protect students from being "ambushed" without knowing the charges or evidence against them and that interim measures now tend to be less "draconian." And if not, Dillon says, the new guidance makes it easier to assert accused students' due process rights, as happened when a school kicked one of his clients off campus while an investigation was still pending. "I went to them and cited the guidance and said, 'You can't do this, you're interfering with his education,' " he recalls. "And in that case, I was able to persuade them to let him back on campus." For schools, the change has brought some measure of confusion. Most are taking a wait-and-see approach, as DeVos is expected to propose permanent rules this fall. It may take until the end of the school year, or longer, for those rules to be finalized. In the meantime, campuses continue to face lawsuits from alleged victims and increasingly successful legal challenges from accused students. "In a lot of ways, it does feel like you're a bit caught in the middle," says Martha Alexander, executive director of the Office Of Institutional Equity and Equal Opportunity and Title IX coordinator for the University of Kentucky. The university just changed its policy in June. It keeps the standard of evidence low, but Alexander says, "To make it a more balanced policy to make sure all parties had a fair shot," it builds in more due process protections for accused students. Hearing panels now need to be unanimous when finding a student at fault, and only accused students are now allowed to bring appeals. "I think that this policy, and these changes, really is a step towards getting to a more fair system," Alexander says. Many campuses say they welcome what they see as more freedom to set rules as they see fit, with less onerous oversight from the government. Peter McDonough, vice president and general counsel for the American Council on Education, a group that represents college and university presidents, says many college presidents are no longer operating in constant fear of the Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights, which oversees enforcement of Title IX, the federal law that bars gender discrimination in education. Back in the days of the Obama administration, when an individual student complained to the OCR about his or her school, the office would not only investigate that case it would automatically trigger a systemic investigation of the school, checking for anything else that might be amiss, which could take years. Campuses felt investigations would stay open "until something was found," McDonough says, which was viewed as a "gotcha approach." Under the Trump administration, a student complaint to the government is treated more like an isolated incident. McDonough says schools now see the government as more ally than adversary. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 07/20/18 9:01:40 PM #3:	But Catherine Lhamon, assistant secretary for civil rights in the Department of Education during the Obama administration, says the OCR must be more aggressive in trying to uncover whether schools are handling all cases fairly. "If the government only investigates [complaints that a student] thinks to bring to the government, the government's not doing its job," she says. "And I worry every day that [schools are getting] effectively a pass on complying with the law. And that will ruin young lives." But if the Trump administration's approach prompts some schools to ease up on how they handle sexual assault cases, it's also already prompting others schools to double down, according to Andrew Miltenberg, an attorney who has represented hundreds of accused students. "It's driven very much by personal politics ... as opposed to institutional policy," he says. "There has been a very palpable sense of, 'Hell no! Women have rights, and I'm not turning around and changing how we treat rape victims just because we have Donald Trump as a president.' I've heard it too many times to discount." Miltenberg says policy corrections are needed, but they must be consistent and measured. Campuses that flout due process protections are as troubling, he says, as schools that are now meting out probation for offenses that used to get expulsions. I've been abstaining from posting news regarding Trump and his Merry Band of Clowns since it's just getting me riled-up and depressed, but this is just bullshit. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:905444403] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><quote>But Catherine Lhamon, assistant secretary for civil rights in the Department of Education during the Obama administration, says the OCR must be more aggressive in trying to uncover whether schools are handling all cases fairly. "If the government only investigates [complaints that a student] thinks to bring to the government, the government's not doing its job," she says. "And I worry every day that [schools are getting] effectively a pass on complying with the law. And that will ruin young lives." But if the Trump administration's approach prompts some schools to ease up on how they handle sexual assault cases, it's also already prompting others schools to double down, according to Andrew Miltenberg, an attorney who has represented hundreds of accused students. "It's driven very much by personal politics ... as opposed to institutional policy," he says. "There has been a very palpable sense of, 'Hell no! Women have rights, and I'm not turning around and changing how we treat rape victims just because we have Donald Trump as a president.' I've heard it too many times to discount." Miltenberg says policy corrections are needed, but they must be consistent and measured. Campuses that flout due process protections are as troubling, he says, as schools that are now meting out probation for offenses that used to get expulsions.</quote> I've been abstaining from posting news regarding Trump and his Merry Band of Clowns since it's just getting me riled-up and depressed, but this is just bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 07/20/18 9:02:00 PM #4:	Thanks Trump. Ya perv. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:905444413] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote>Thanks Trump. Ya perv.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JazzMasterZero 07/20/18 9:04:55 PM #5:	Honestly Im so sick and tired of people making a mountain out of a mole hill with everything that Trump is even remotely associated with that Im going to vote for him in 2020 even though I dont like him. <cite>JazzMasterZero posted [p:905444542] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote>Honestly Im so sick and tired of people making a mountain out of a mole hill with everything that Trump is even remotely associated with that Im going to vote for him in 2020 even though I dont like him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 07/20/18 9:06:35 PM #6:	JazzMasterZero posted... Honestly Im so sick and tired of people making a mountain out of a mole hill with everything that Trump is even remotely associated with that Im going to vote for him in 2020 even though I dont like him. Or just not vote? <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:905444620] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>JazzMasterZero posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly Im so sick and tired of people making a mountain out of a mole hill with everything that Trump is even remotely associated with that Im going to vote for him in 2020 even though I dont like him.</quote> Or just not vote?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 07/20/18 9:08:57 PM #7:	JazzMasterZero posted... Honestly Im so sick and tired of people making a mountain out of a mole hill with everything that Trump is even remotely associated with that Im going to vote for him in 2020 even though I dont like him. Like sayin your sick of the dentist so ya plan on pullin out all your teeth. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:905444743] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>JazzMasterZero posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly Im so sick and tired of people making a mountain out of a mole hill with everything that Trump is even remotely associated with that Im going to vote for him in 2020 even though I dont like him.</quote> Like sayin your sick of the dentist so ya plan on pullin out all your teeth.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PuddingBoy 07/20/18 9:10:38 PM #8:	JazzMasterZero posted... Honestly Im so sick and tired of people making a mountain out of a mole hill with everything that Trump is even remotely associated with that Im going to vote for him in 2020 even though I dont like him. "I'm so tired of people making mountains out of mole hills that I'm going to do something that will cause them to create more mountains for the next four years." --- 3DS Friend Code: 3308-5843-0863 Town: Virginia <cite>PuddingBoy posted [p:905444814] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>JazzMasterZero posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly Im so sick and tired of people making a mountain out of a mole hill with everything that Trump is even remotely associated with that Im going to vote for him in 2020 even though I dont like him.</quote> "I'm so tired of people making mountains out of mole hills that I'm going to do something that will cause them to create more mountains for the next four years."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ifnsman 07/20/18 9:11:27 PM #9:	JazzMasterZero posted... Honestly Im so sick and tired of people making a mountain out of a mole hill with everything that Trump is even remotely associated with that Im going to vote for him in 2020 even though I dont like him. Wow, that's just pitiful. --- 8/6/2017 ~ 31st Anniversary of the Metroid series! / 3/3/2017 ~ LoZ: BotW is a Switch launch title! <cite>ifnsman posted [p:905444842] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>JazzMasterZero posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly Im so sick and tired of people making a mountain out of a mole hill with everything that Trump is even remotely associated with that Im going to vote for him in 2020 even though I dont like him.</quote> Wow, that's just pitiful.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 07/20/18 9:14:00 PM #10:	WastelandCowboy posted... I've been abstaining from posting news regarding Trump and his Merry Band of Clowns since it's just getting me riled-up and depressed, but this is just bullshit. What's bullshit is that these cases don't go to the cops like they fucking should. Instead you have assclowns with no real qualifications investigating the cases and making determinations with long-term ramifications on the lives of those accused, many of whom -- I might add -- are accused wrongly. And the bad accusations only seem to truly come out when the actual courts (ie, not the college's kangaroo courts) are involved. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:905444951] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote> I've been abstaining from posting news regarding Trump and his Merry Band of Clowns since it's just getting me riled-up and depressed, but this is just bullshit.</quote> What's bullshit is that these cases don't go to the cops like they fucking should. Instead you have assclowns with no real qualifications investigating the cases and making determinations with long-term ramifications on the lives of those accused, many of whom -- I might add -- are accused wrongly. And the bad accusations only seem to truly come out when the actual courts (ie, not the college's kangaroo courts) are involved.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 07/21/18 4:49:45 AM #11:	Zeus posted... WastelandCowboy posted... I've been abstaining from posting news regarding Trump and his Merry Band of Clowns since it's just getting me riled-up and depressed, but this is just bullshit. What's bullshit is that these cases don't go to the cops like they fucking should. Instead you have assclowns with no real qualifications investigating the cases and making determinations with long-term ramifications on the lives of those accused, many of whom -- I might add -- are accused wrongly. And the bad accusations only seem to truly come out when the actual courts (ie, not the college's kangaroo courts) are involved. Amazing ya survive bein a paranoid contrarian. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:905459916] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote> I've been abstaining from posting news regarding Trump and his Merry Band of Clowns since it's just getting me riled-up and depressed, but this is just bullshit.</quote> What's bullshit is that these cases don't go to the cops like they fucking should. Instead you have assclowns with no real qualifications investigating the cases and making determinations with long-term ramifications on the lives of those accused, many of whom -- I might add -- are accused wrongly. And the bad accusations only seem to truly come out when the actual courts (ie, not the college's kangaroo courts) are involved.</quote> Amazing ya survive bein a paranoid contrarian.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FatalAccident 07/21/18 4:57:15 AM #12:	JazzMasterZero posted... Honestly Im so sick and tired of people making a mountain out of a mole hill with everything that Trump is even remotely associated with that Im going to vote for him in 2020 even though I dont like him. Ummm And you Americans wonder why your country is in the toilet --- walks away <cite>FatalAccident posted [p:905460037] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>JazzMasterZero posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly Im so sick and tired of people making a mountain out of a mole hill with everything that Trump is even remotely associated with that Im going to vote for him in 2020 even though I dont like him.</quote> Ummm And you Americans wonder why your country is in the toilet</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 07/21/18 4:59:02 AM #13:	Trump administration requires schools to have evidence beyond hearsay before ruining someone's life...is that a bad thing? The repercussions for false rape claims are almost non-existent, not to mention that there are large amounts of murky "rapes" that really do amount to things like sex between drunk adults or regret cases. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:905460071] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote>Trump administration requires schools to have evidence beyond hearsay before ruining someone's life...is that a bad thing? The repercussions for false rape claims are almost non-existent, not to mention that there are large amounts of murky "rapes" that really do amount to things like sex between drunk adults or regret cases.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 07/21/18 5:16:37 AM #14:	Trump kicking SJW ass? Count on my illegal immigrant vote, Trump! --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:905460406] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote>Trump kicking SJW ass? Count on my illegal immigrant vote, Trump!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 07/21/18 5:18:07 AM #15:	FatalAccident posted... JazzMasterZero posted... Honestly Im so sick and tired of people making a mountain out of a mole hill with everything that Trump is even remotely associated with that Im going to vote for him in 2020 even though I dont like him. Ummm And you Americans wonder why your country is in the toilet Overlooking that it's hardly in the toilet, aren't you from a nation that's already halfway down the drain? And the causes for strife are pretty obvious. We have a growing, increasingly intrusive government that's involved in most facets of our lives which has led to increasingly dichotomous political factions. That inherent conflict is further stoked by a 24-hour media that profits off controversy and politicians seeking to exploit fear/anger for their benefit. It's further exacerbated by a terrible education system, an erratic economy, and so on. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:905460426] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>FatalAccident posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JazzMasterZero posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly Im so sick and tired of people making a mountain out of a mole hill with everything that Trump is even remotely associated with that Im going to vote for him in 2020 even though I dont like him.</quote> Ummm And you Americans wonder why your country is in the toilet</quote> Overlooking that it's hardly in the toilet, aren't you from a nation that's already halfway down the drain? And the causes for strife are pretty obvious. We have a growing, increasingly intrusive government that's involved in most facets of our lives which has led to increasingly dichotomous political factions. That inherent conflict is further stoked by a 24-hour media that profits off controversy and politicians seeking to exploit fear/anger for their benefit. It's further exacerbated by a terrible education system, an erratic economy, and so on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Keebs05 07/21/18 5:22:47 AM #16:	Zeus posted... Overlooking that it's hardly in the toilet Zeus posted... We have a growing, increasingly intrusive government that's involved in most facets of our lives which has led to increasingly dichotomous political factions. That inherent conflict is further stoked by a 24-hour media that profits off controversy and politicians seeking to exploit fear/anger for their benefit. It's further exacerbated by a terrible education system, an erratic economy, and so on. Pick one or the other, Zeus. --- "Old soldiers never die, they just fade away" R.I.P PFC Dusty Seidel <cite>Keebs05 posted [p:905460520] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Overlooking that it's hardly in the toilet</quote> <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>We have a growing, increasingly intrusive government that's involved in most facets of our lives which has led to increasingly dichotomous political factions. That inherent conflict is further stoked by a 24-hour media that profits off controversy and politicians seeking to exploit fear/anger for their benefit. It's further exacerbated by a terrible education system, an erratic economy, and so on.</quote> Pick one or the other, Zeus.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 07/21/18 5:29:42 AM #17:	Keebs05 posted... Zeus posted... Overlooking that it's hardly in the toilet Zeus posted... We have a growing, increasingly intrusive government that's involved in most facets of our lives which has led to increasingly dichotomous political factions. That inherent conflict is further stoked by a 24-hour media that profits off controversy and politicians seeking to exploit fear/anger for their benefit. It's further exacerbated by a terrible education system, an erratic economy, and so on. Pick one or the other, Zeus. Clearly it can be both, because it is. A nation can have problems without being gone and many of our problems are actually pretty tiny compared to what's going on in other countries. Spain has massive unemployment and an entire region looking to secede. Germany is having its own set of immigration issues right now. Japan has a severe population imbalance that fundamentally threatens its entire structure. The UK is still muddling through Brexit, which is potentially a lot larger than anything we've got going on right now. And, if you want to go the developing world, China is in the midst of government crackdowns including a new firewall on its internet, Mexico's lack of stability and corruption is so bad that cities are forming their own governments, and Venezuela may be on the verge of a revolution. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:905460636] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>Keebs05 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Overlooking that it's hardly in the toilet</quote> <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>We have a growing, increasingly intrusive government that's involved in most facets of our lives which has led to increasingly dichotomous political factions. That inherent conflict is further stoked by a 24-hour media that profits off controversy and politicians seeking to exploit fear/anger for their benefit. It's further exacerbated by a terrible education system, an erratic economy, and so on.</quote> Pick one or the other, Zeus.</quote> Clearly it can be both, because it is. A nation can have problems without being gone and many of our problems are actually pretty tiny compared to what's going on in other countries. Spain has massive unemployment and an entire region looking to secede. Germany is having its own set of immigration issues right now. Japan has a severe population imbalance that fundamentally threatens its entire structure. The UK is still muddling through Brexit, which is potentially a lot larger than anything we've got going on right now. And, if you want to go the developing world, China is in the midst of government crackdowns including a new firewall on its internet, Mexico's lack of stability and corruption is so bad that cities are forming their own governments, and Venezuela may be on the verge of a revolution.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bugmeat 07/21/18 5:54:36 AM #18:	Why are schools investigating this sort of shit anyway? Why are they handling appeals and deciding what sort of evidence is required? "Oh you say someone raped you? Ok. Here's the number for the local police department and here are some numbers for therapists who specialize in this sort of trauma" should be the extent of the schools involvement with these sort of claims. Rape investigations are the domain of law enforcement. Not colleges. If and only if the accused is found guilty/plea bargains/ etc. should the school then step in and throw whatever code of conduct punishments they have at the perpetrator. --- John Mellencamp said it best "Life goes on long after the thrill of living is gone." <cite>Bugmeat posted [p:905461008] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote>Why are schools investigating this sort of shit anyway? Why are they handling appeals and deciding what sort of evidence is required? "Oh you say someone raped you? Ok. Here's the number for the local police department and here are some numbers for therapists who specialize in this sort of trauma" should be the extent of the schools involvement with these sort of claims. Rape investigations are the domain of law enforcement. Not colleges. If and only if the accused is found guilty/plea bargains/ etc. should the school then step in and throw whatever code of conduct punishments they have at the perpetrator.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BUMPED2002 07/21/18 6:08:16 AM #19:	This administration is horrible and how anyone can defend this lunacy is beyond me. <cite>BUMPED2002 posted [p:905461223] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote>This administration is horrible and how anyone can defend this lunacy is beyond me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 07/21/18 6:11:18 AM #20:	Zeus posted... The UK is still muddling through Brexit, which is potentially a lot larger than anything we've got going on right now. loldonteven That's unclogging the toilet right there. --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:905461260] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>The UK is still muddling through Brexit, which is potentially a lot larger than anything we've got going on right now.</quote> loldonteven That's unclogging the toilet right there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 07/21/18 6:39:49 AM #21:	what war on women? --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:905461749] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote>what war on women?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KaptainKiro 07/21/18 6:50:22 AM #22:	actual proof of bad acts should be a requirement before dropping the hammer on some poor schmuck how can anyone argue against that? <cite>KaptainKiro posted [p:905461934] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote>actual proof of bad acts should be a requirement before dropping the hammer on some poor schmuck how can anyone argue against that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BUMPED2002 07/21/18 7:02:25 AM #23:	No surprise! Trump himself has been accused by at least 20 women of sexual assault. <cite>BUMPED2002 posted [p:905462163] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote>No surprise! Trump himself has been accused by at least 20 women of sexual assault.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KaptainKiro 07/21/18 7:04:44 AM #24:	BUMPED2002 posted... No surprise! Trump himself has been accused by at least 20 women of sexual assault. and yet 0 have even the slightest shred of proof lol <cite>KaptainKiro posted [p:905462193] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>BUMPED2002 posted...</cite> <quote>No surprise! Trump himself has been accused by at least 20 women of sexual assault.</quote> and yet 0 have even the slightest shred of proof lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/21/18 7:44:33 AM #25:	KaptainKiro posted... BUMPED2002 posted... No surprise! Trump himself has been accused by at least 20 women of sexual assault. and yet 0 have even the slightest shred of proof lol Why were they foolish enough to not film themselves when being assaulted --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:905462885] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>KaptainKiro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BUMPED2002 posted...</cite> <quote>No surprise! Trump himself has been accused by at least 20 women of sexual assault.</quote> and yet 0 have even the slightest shred of proof lol</quote> Why were they foolish enough to not film themselves when being assaulted</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 07/21/18 12:03:22 PM #26:	And this is one of those instances I actually agree w/ Trump for the most part. Campus rules basically circumvented due process completely and had little burden of proof required. You may not go to jail since you were never convicted, but all the social stigma of being a tapist would still follow you for life and cost you your college degree and countless job opportunities and likely alienate friends and family from you. <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:905470565] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote>And this is one of those instances I actually agree w/ Trump for the most part. Campus rules basically circumvented due process completely and had little burden of proof required. You may not go to jail since you were never convicted, but all the social stigma of being a tapist would still follow you for life and cost you your college degree and countless job opportunities and likely alienate friends and family from you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
captainjeff87 07/21/18 12:54:57 PM #27:	It's about time someone has done this. False rape accusations need to stop. They are just as bad if not worse than actual rape. Not only are you ruining someone's life you're giving less credibility to victims of actual rape. All the liberals who are mad at this shouldn't blame Trump, blame the women ruining men's lives because they can. BUMPED2002 posted... No surprise! Trump himself has been accused by at least 20 women of sexual assault. Must be nice being spoonfed everything CNN tells you. --- PSN: CaptainJeff87 (please say Gfaqs in friend request msg) <cite>captainjeff87 posted [p:905472869] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote>It's about time someone has done this. False rape accusations need to stop. They are just as bad if not worse than actual rape. Not only are you ruining someone's life you're giving less credibility to victims of actual rape. All the liberals who are mad at this shouldn't blame Trump, blame the women ruining men's lives because they can. <cite>BUMPED2002 posted...</cite> <quote>No surprise! Trump himself has been accused by at least 20 women of sexual assault.</quote> Must be nice being spoonfed everything CNN tells you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfernalFive 07/21/18 1:31:43 PM #28:	This is actually one of the few issues I agree with Trump on. It's bullshit how someone can get their life completely ruined over a simple accusation. --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyfabsU4xH1qzy531o1_500.jpg https://imgur.com/ggCrHk8 <cite>InfernalFive posted [p:905474406] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote>This is actually one of the few issues I agree with Trump on. It's bullshit how someone can get their life completely ruined over a simple accusation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 07/21/18 1:35:27 PM #29:	didn't read all that but some of them ARE liars. there have been countless cases where guys are kicked out of school with no evidence, sometimes even the cops investigate and come up with nothing but the schools hold their own illegal courts and deem the guy guilty. all because they are too scared to not agree with anything a girl says <cite>Zikten posted [p:905474578] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote>didn't read all that but some of them ARE liars. there have been countless cases where guys are kicked out of school with no evidence, sometimes even the cops investigate and come up with nothing but the schools hold their own illegal courts and deem the guy guilty. all because they are too scared to not agree with anything a girl says</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
McSame_as_Bush 07/21/18 1:39:28 PM #30:	Of course he is. --- I must admit you smell like fruity nuts and good grains. <cite>McSame_as_Bush posted [p:905474739] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote>Of course he is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LOLIAmAnAlt 07/21/18 1:39:41 PM #31:	I read this as, "Trump Administration defends campus sexual assault rifles." Wish it were. --- lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll <cite>LOLIAmAnAlt posted [p:905474750] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote>I read this as, "Trump Administration defends campus sexual assault rifles." Wish it were.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 07/21/18 2:30:32 PM #32:	Mead posted... Why were they foolish enough to not film themselves when being assaulted I get what you're saying, but prosecuting someone without proof would obviously never work and is the only reasonable way to handle that kind of situation. Also, it sure is funny how a billionaire who was world-renowned for decades didn't get accused of these things until he was taking the presidency. Back to the topic at hand though, can anyone explain why this is a bad thing? Is there a single good reason why women should be able to destroy the lives of men with just words and no evidence? --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:905477157] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Why were they foolish enough to not film themselves when being assaulted</quote> I get what you're saying, but prosecuting someone without proof would obviously never work and is the only reasonable way to handle that kind of situation. Also, it sure is funny how a billionaire who was world-renowned for decades didn't get accused of these things until he was taking the presidency. Back to the topic at hand though, can anyone explain why this is a bad thing? Is there a single good reason why women should be able to destroy the lives of men with just words and no evidence?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 07/21/18 2:31:23 PM #33:	Rasmoh posted... Also, it sure is funny how a billionaire who was world-renowned for decades didn't get accused of these things until he was taking the presidency. Um he was accused many times before the presidential run Including being accused of drugging and raping someone 13 or under --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:905477201] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>Also, it sure is funny how a billionaire who was world-renowned for decades didn't get accused of these things until he was taking the presidency.</quote> Um he was accused many times before the presidential run Including being accused of drugging and raping someone 13 or under</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 07/21/18 2:52:12 PM #34:	Doctor Foxx posted... Um he was accused many times before the presidential run You are correct, I apologize. A brief scan of wikipedia didn't immediately pull up that information. Regardless though, not one of these accusations has ever been met with any sort of legal prosecution because of the overwhelming lack of evidence. And again, it's very telling that most of these accusations didn't surface until just before the election. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:905478301] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>Um he was accused many times before the presidential run</quote> You are correct, I apologize. A brief scan of wikipedia didn't immediately pull up that information. Regardless though, not one of these accusations has ever been met with any sort of legal prosecution because of the overwhelming lack of evidence. And again, it's very telling that most of these accusations didn't surface until just before the election.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GanglyKhan 07/21/18 3:08:27 PM #35:	Doctor Foxx posted... Rasmoh posted... Also, it sure is funny how a billionaire who was world-renowned for decades didn't get accused of these things until he was taking the presidency. Um he was accused many times before the presidential run Including being accused of drugging and raping someone 13 or under [citation needed] <cite>GanglyKhan posted [p:905479120] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>Also, it sure is funny how a billionaire who was world-renowned for decades didn't get accused of these things until he was taking the presidency.</quote> Um he was accused many times before the presidential run Including being accused of drugging and raping someone 13 or under</quote> [citation needed]</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 07/21/18 3:46:06 PM #36:	They have got to protect the future republicans. I'm pretty sure sexual assault is considered a right of passage. --- PSN - SunWuKung420 <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:905480914] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote>They have got to protect the future republicans. I'm pretty sure sexual assault is considered a right of passage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 07/21/18 3:53:56 PM #37:	Rasmoh posted... Doctor Foxx posted... Um he was accused many times before the presidential run You are correct, I apologize. A brief scan of wikipedia didn't immediately pull up that information. Regardless though, not one of these accusations has ever been met with any sort of legal prosecution because of the overwhelming lack of evidence. And again, it's very telling that most of these accusations didn't surface until just before the election. False. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations MOST of them predate the campaign by over a decade. And were reported long ago. The only thing that's telling is how hard it is to actually get someone convicted of sex crimes, particularly if they can pay their way out of the legal system GanglyKhan posted... Doctor Foxx posted... Rasmoh posted... Also, it sure is funny how a billionaire who was world-renowned for decades didn't get accused of these things until he was taking the presidency. Um he was accused many times before the presidential run Including being accused of drugging and raping someone 13 or under [citation needed] See the above or this: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/nov/30/donald-trump-sexual-misconduct-allegations-full-list --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:905481229] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>Um he was accused many times before the presidential run</quote> You are correct, I apologize. A brief scan of wikipedia didn't immediately pull up that information. Regardless though, not one of these accusations has ever been met with any sort of legal prosecution because of the overwhelming lack of evidence. And again, it's very telling that most of these accusations didn't surface until just before the election.</quote> False. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations MOST of them predate the campaign by over a decade. And were reported long ago. The only thing that's telling is how hard it is to actually get someone convicted of sex crimes, particularly if they can pay their way out of the legal system <cite>GanglyKhan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>Also, it sure is funny how a billionaire who was world-renowned for decades didn't get accused of these things until he was taking the presidency.</quote> Um he was accused many times before the presidential run Including being accused of drugging and raping someone 13 or under</quote> [citation needed]</quote> See the above or this: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/nov/30/donald-trump-sexual-misconduct-allegations-full-list</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zebatov 07/21/18 4:19:27 PM #38:	WastelandCowboy posted... JazzMasterZero posted... Honestly Im so sick and tired of people making a mountain out of a mole hill with everything that Trump is even remotely associated with that Im going to vote for him in 2020 even though I dont like him. Or just not vote? If everyone did that, that would send the biggest message. Unfortunately that isn't the case, so just vote for whoever. At least then nobody can say "You didn't vote so you don't get an opinion." as if that statement were fact --- lolmodhagomi <cite>zebatov posted [p:905482396] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JazzMasterZero posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly Im so sick and tired of people making a mountain out of a mole hill with everything that Trump is even remotely associated with that Im going to vote for him in 2020 even though I dont like him.</quote> Or just not vote?</quote> If everyone did that, that would send the biggest message. Unfortunately that isn't the case, so just vote for whoever. At least then nobody can say "You didn't vote so you don't get an opinion." as if that statement were fact</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 07/21/18 4:58:07 PM #39:	BUMPED2002 posted... This administration is horrible and how anyone can defend this lunacy is beyond me. Give Zeus time to find a good copy pasta rebuttal on The_Donald. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:905484102] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>BUMPED2002 posted...</cite> <quote>This administration is horrible and how anyone can defend this lunacy is beyond me.</quote> Give Zeus time to find a good copy pasta rebuttal on The_Donald.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/21/18 4:59:50 PM #40:	FrndNhbrHdCEman posted... BUMPED2002 posted... This administration is horrible and how anyone can defend this lunacy is beyond me. Give Zeus time to find a good copy pasta rebuttal on The_Donald. Well to be fair, in all honesty --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:905484174] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BUMPED2002 posted...</cite> <quote>This administration is horrible and how anyone can defend this lunacy is beyond me.</quote> Give Zeus time to find a good copy pasta rebuttal on The_Donald.</quote> Well to be fair, in all honesty</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fundabz 07/21/18 5:35:24 PM #41:	LOLIAmAnAlt posted... I read this as, "Trump Administration defends campus sexual assault rifles." Wish it were. me too --- I'll get my stupid rope. I'll get it. This is a rope right here. GT: KirBeast PSN: KirBeast_ <cite>Fundabz posted [p:905485794] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>LOLIAmAnAlt posted...</cite> <quote>I read this as, "Trump Administration defends campus sexual assault rifles." Wish it were.</quote> me too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ifnsman 07/21/18 5:41:10 PM #42:	captainjeff87 posted... Must be nice being spoonfed everything CNN tells you. You realize that anyone could come in and turn that around on you, replacing CNN with Fox News. Don't walk yourself into that kind of trap, considering Fox News is extreme political bias & twisting of facts disguised as "news". --- 8/6/2017 ~ 31st Anniversary of the Metroid series! / 3/3/2017 ~ LoZ: BotW is a Switch launch title! <cite>ifnsman posted [p:905486074] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>captainjeff87 posted...</cite> <quote>Must be nice being spoonfed everything CNN tells you.</quote> You realize that anyone could come in and turn that around on you, replacing CNN with Fox News. Don't walk yourself into that kind of trap, considering Fox News is extreme political bias & twisting of facts disguised as "news".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 07/21/18 5:47:17 PM #43:	BUMPED2002 posted... This administration is horrible and how anyone can defend this lunacy is beyond me. Says a guy with no fucking clue what's going on here. Kyuubi4269 posted... Zeus posted... The UK is still muddling through Brexit, which is potentially a lot larger than anything we've got going on right now. loldonteven That's unclogging the toilet right there. Whether or not Brexit is the right decision, the handling has been a massive issue that currently threatens its economic prosperity. BUMPED2002 posted... No surprise! Trump himself has been accused by at least 20 women of sexual assault. Why do you bold the text in all of your posts? Making your opinions "louder" doesn't make them any less stupid. Mead posted... Why were they foolish enough to not film themselves when being assaulted Sometimes you have guys like Al Franken who do the filming themselves. However, you don't need film to prove something. Cops can turn up plenty of physical evidence, unlike the college system. Which, you know, is why it should be handled by cops rather than colleges. But that's sooooo controversial! --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:905486353] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>BUMPED2002 posted...</cite> <quote>This administration is horrible and how anyone can defend this lunacy is beyond me.</quote> Says a guy with no fucking clue what's going on here. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>The UK is still muddling through Brexit, which is potentially a lot larger than anything we've got going on right now.</quote> loldonteven That's unclogging the toilet right there.</quote> Whether or not Brexit is the right decision, the handling has been a massive issue that currently threatens its economic prosperity. <cite>BUMPED2002 posted...</cite> <quote>No surprise! Trump himself has been accused by at least 20 women of sexual assault.</quote> Why do you bold the text in all of your posts? Making your opinions "louder" doesn't make them any less stupid. <cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Why were they foolish enough to not film themselves when being assaulted</quote> Sometimes you have guys like Al Franken who do the filming themselves. However, you don't need film to prove something. Cops can turn up plenty of physical evidence, unlike the college system. Which, you know, is why it should be handled by cops rather than colleges. But that's sooooo controversial!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 07/21/18 5:48:11 PM #44:	Mead posted... FrndNhbrHdCEman posted... BUMPED2002 posted... This administration is horrible and how anyone can defend this lunacy is beyond me. Give Zeus time to find a good copy pasta rebuttal on The_Donald. Well to be fair, in all honesty Getting in the habit of reposting alts' shitty attempts at trolling? >_> --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:905486394] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BUMPED2002 posted...</cite> <quote>This administration is horrible and how anyone can defend this lunacy is beyond me.</quote> Give Zeus time to find a good copy pasta rebuttal on The_Donald.</quote> Well to be fair, in all honesty</quote> Getting in the habit of reposting alts' shitty attempts at trolling? >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dioxxys 07/21/18 6:02:34 PM #45:	I thought General procedures for rape accusations is 2 not find any evidence expell the male student and try to get him fired from any job he holds? <cite>dioxxys posted [p:905487073] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote>I thought General procedures for rape accusations is 2 not find any evidence expell the male student and try to get him fired from any job he holds?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 07/21/18 8:58:29 PM #47:	Zeus posted... Mead posted... FrndNhbrHdCEman posted... BUMPED2002 posted... This administration is horrible and how anyone can defend this lunacy is beyond me. Give Zeus time to find a good copy pasta rebuttal on The_Donald. Well to be fair, in all honesty Getting in the habit of reposting alts' shitty attempts at trolling? >_> Do what now? --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:905494899] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BUMPED2002 posted...</cite> <quote>This administration is horrible and how anyone can defend this lunacy is beyond me.</quote> Give Zeus time to find a good copy pasta rebuttal on The_Donald.</quote> Well to be fair, in all honesty</quote> Getting in the habit of reposting alts' shitty attempts at trolling? >_></quote> Do what now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FatalAccident 07/22/18 1:51:49 AM #48:	Wait you people actually think brexit is anywhere near as bad as the bs going on in America rn? Looooool I know were muddling through it about as well as we middle through anything but imagine actually trying to compare brexit with the current state of the US LOL Dont even --- walks away <cite>FatalAccident posted [p:905506563] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote>Wait you people actually think brexit is anywhere near as bad as the bs going on in America rn? Looooool I know were muddling through it about as well as we middle through anything but imagine actually trying to compare brexit with the current state of the US LOL Dont even</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 07/22/18 4:14:27 AM #49:	Doctor Foxx posted... MOST of them predate the campaign by over a decade. And were reported long ago. That very list you gave me only listed one person who came forwarded prior to 2016, and even that person called up Trump's campaign and requested a job. It's all so blatantly a sham. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:905510185] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>MOST of them predate the campaign by over a decade. And were reported long ago.</quote> That very list you gave me only listed one person who came forwarded prior to 2016, and even that person called up Trump's campaign and requested a job. It's all so blatantly a sham.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClarkDuke 07/22/18 4:20:05 AM #50:	Rasmoh posted... Doctor Foxx posted... MOST of them predate the campaign by over a decade. And were reported long ago. That very list you gave me only listed one person who came forwarded prior to 2016, and even that person called up Trump's campaign and requested a job. It's all so blatantly a sham. You're defending a known Russian spy, ok? --- https://imgur.com/qL0DHFI https://imgur.com/JL9rRLt https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ <cite>ClarkDuke posted [p:905510273] in Trump Admi... [t:76826847]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>MOST of them predate the campaign by over a decade. And were reported long ago.</quote> That very list you gave me only listed one person who came forwarded prior to 2016, and even that person called up Trump's campaign and requested a job. It's all so blatantly a sham.</quote> You're defending a known Russian spy, ok?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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