Poll of the Day > Goddamn the cost for traffic violations has gotten completely out of control

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Cacciato posted...

Jen0125 posted...

BADoglick posted...

Taxation is theft
Fines are extortion

Our income is stolen from us via taxes, in order to pay for police officers to spend their time finding ways to extort revenue from the populace.

Stop paying your taxes and don't use the roads all together then.

Pretty much this. He's already thrown his hissy fit on law enforcement before and didnt respond when I gave my opinion, so I doubt he will now either.

To Jen: you know less than 5% of all taxes go towards roads and infrastructure, right? Also, you know that 55000 bridges in the US are considered structurally deficient. So your taxes aren't going to the roads.

To cop: so, quotas aren't a thing? Or I'm sorry, 'performance metrics' is what we're calling them now. Civil asset forfeiture doesn't exist? Police and prison guard unions aren't actively lobbying to keep nonviolent 'crimes' such as cannabis use illegal so that they can maintain revenue streams? While yes, the police do some good, you're clearly being willfully ignorant. I get it, it's your career. But if your career involves you regularly taking money and property from citizens, don't be surprised when some of those citizens have criticisms for how their tax dollars are being spent.
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BADoglick posted...

so, quotas aren't a thing? Or I'm sorry, 'performance metrics' is what we're calling them now.

It depends on the context. We were never subjected to quotas. I talked to Washington State Troopers about it and they told me that they only had a 'contact' quota, not a 'ticket' quota. And believe it or not, most cops fucking hate paperwork so they dont like to write tickets.

BADoglick posted...

Civil asset forfeiture doesn't exist?

Of course it does, and again, it depends on the context. You act like law enforcement officers dont recognize the bullshit that comes down from the upper administration. Some dude gets pulled over with life savings in cash because he's moving and then watches it get yanked away from him because he cant prove it's origin? Of course that's terrible. And in certain situations it's abused. But to what extent do you think your average patrol officer is responsible?

BADoglick posted...

Police and prison guard unions aren't actively lobbying to keep nonviolent 'crimes' such as cannabis use illegal so that they can maintain revenue streams?

I have no idea, because it's not something that's concerned me. But based off your previous history I'm sure you have strong feelings about it because I've seen how much you talk about liking weed. Spoiler alert: I've smoked it since I've been out. I think it should be legalized. But again, you seem to be criticizing guys doing their job for no other reason than the fact they're doing their job.

BADoglick posted...

While yes, the police do some good, you're clearly being willfully ignorant. I get it, it's your career.

I'd argue most police are doing good. You clearly havent seen the topics where I criticize law enforcement for fucking up. I've had to testify in court after some jackass on bath salts tried to stab me in the leg with a steak knife when we showed up just to do a simple welfare check. So when a cop shoots a guy in his car for reaching for his DL after he was told to retrieve his DL you better believe I have a problem with it. I'm not being ignorant about anything, police officers dont have the liberty to fuck up, especially in today's environment. And it wasn't a career for me, it was a job.
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The move over one sounds a bit out there...but speeding tickets are fairest of the nexts. Don't want a ticket? Don't go over the speed limit. Derpy dooooo.
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OhhhJa posted...

Cops are largely inept morons who chose the job as a last resort because they have no real skills. All they do is write traffic tickets, respond to domestic disputes, write up paperwork for crimes after the fact and often fuck up any more serious scenarios they encounter.

This is amazing, you really believe all of this, don't you? I can only assume that you are an aeronautics engineer for SpaceX or something similar.

Also, did you seriously call me a baby boomer earlier? I'm 29 years old.
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TC, and some others ITT, the kinda drivers to drive right up to your ass from out of sight when you're already doing 10 over
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BADoglick posted...

To Jen: you know less than 5% of all taxes go towards roads and infrastructure, right? Also, you know that 55000 bridges in the US are considered structurally deficient. So your taxes aren't going to the roads.

so what? it doesn't matter what percentage it is. stop using them.

you can't say less than 5% go to roads in one sentence then say my taxes aren't going to roads in the same paragraph.

bridges aren't roads. don't strawman.
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Jen0125 posted...

BADoglick posted...

To Jen: you know less than 5% of all taxes go towards roads and infrastructure, right? Also, you know that 55000 bridges in the US are considered structurally deficient. So your taxes aren't going to the roads.

so what? it doesn't matter what percentage it is. stop using them.

you can't say less than 5% go to roads in one sentence then say my taxes aren't going to roads in the same paragraph.

bridges aren't roads. don't strawman.

He also ignores the fact that things like the gas tax, which hasnt been increased since the early 90s, goes to a fund that is cannibalized for reasons other than infrastructure usage. Something that, again, has nothing to do with law enforcement.
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i wish more of my taxes would go to bridges and roads because they're SHIT
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Jen0125 posted...

i wish more of my taxes would go to bridges and roads because they're SHIT

"Hi, I'm President Trump. I'm gonna increase tariffs on steel to support the domestic industry despite the fact that our infrastructure has been shit for years and we honestly could've encouraged the industry due to domestic necessity alone."
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are you also one of those idiots who thinks speed traps are entrapment?
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Cacciato posted...

"Hi, I'm President Trump. I'm gonna increase tariffs on steel to support the domestic industry despite the fact that our infrastructure has been shit for years and we honestly could've encouraged the industry due to domestic necessity alone."

infrastructure has been shit since long before trump became president

KaptainKiro posted...

Cacciato posted...

"Hi, I'm President Trump. I'm gonna increase tariffs on steel to support the domestic industry despite the fact that our infrastructure has been shit for years and we honestly could've encouraged the industry due to domestic necessity alone."

infrastructure has been shit since long before trump became president

Its been shit for decades. I have no argument there.
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OhhhJa posted...

4 to 6 inches away and I would have hit the fucking mirror. Get your heads out of your asses

Unless you were 4-6 inches away from the mirror. You don't know how they measured it. And again, in the dark, with lights flashing, I'm more inclined to believe you misjudged the distance than that she willfully lied about how close you were, especially where you should be subject to a fine anyway for failing to pull over.

Teeth posted...

they're so high in an attempt to dissuade anyone from fucking doing illegal shit again

Also that. If these violations still occur on a regular basis, then the fines are failing to discourage them and could probably actually stand to be higher (though again, scaled to be proportional to income so you don't get the disproportionate impact). Don't like how high fines are getting? Then stop being part of the problem, and encourage everyone you know to do the same.

That said, more consistent enforcement would help a lot more with that than higher fines would. The biggest reason people get so uppity about tickets is that they're typically being ticketed for something they do all the time without getting caught (especially in the case of speeding), and that they know thousands of other people are doing without getting caught. Hitting most violators with a moderate fine would yield better compliance than hitting a tiny minority of violators with an extreme one.

The problem with that is that better enforcement means spending more money on cops (and the ensuing "wah police state waaah" from entitled speeders), likely without a commensurate increase in ticket revenue. That means jacking up fines, though less effective, is the more cost-effective option.
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Jen0125 posted...

i wish more of my taxes would go to bridges and roads because they're SHIT

That's the point.

I claim taxation is theft. You claim muh roads. I claim that less than 5% of all taxes go to roads. You state that you wish more of your taxes went to roads. That's the whole point.

If you give someone 20 dollars to buy a case of beer, and they come back with a six pack and said they had to use the rest to buy themselves McDonald's and a pack of smokes, is that not theft? Would you want to give them money again?

Now, let's say every April, that same person makes you to enter that same arrangement via threat of force? Is that not extortion?

Our roads are crumbling, our schools fail to educate, our military hasn't really won a war in 80 years, we receive no universal health coverage.... yet 30% of our income goes towards taxes, and then there's sales, property, estate, gift, sin, and every other type of tax. So where is this money going? Are you getting your money's worth?

I guess when you are brainwashed into thinking taxes pay for muh roads, it's hard to accept the statement that taxation is theft. Maybe the libertarian party should adopt Cardi B's quote as their motto: 'I want receipts for my ****ing money'
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I said I wish more taxes would go to roads. I'm not reading the rest of your stupid shit. Taxation isn't theft. Taxes go to a lot of beneficial programs. If you don't want to be part of a society buy a house boat and go live in the middle of the ocean. Just because taxes are mismanaged doesn't mean they're bad. People are bad. Politicians are bad.
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adjl posted...

In which case you can just miss your exit. You could also pull over to the side of the road yourself to wait for the cop to finish so you can safely take the exit. Both solutions are inconvenient, sure, but their safety is more important than your convenience.

That's assuming it was unsafe. Also, I would rather not get lost, tbh...

adjl posted...

Remember that she's going to have dashcam footage that was credible enough to issue the ticket in the first place. You, on the other hand, have admitted that it was dark, and coupled with the flashing lights of the car I would be far more inclined to believe that you misjudged the distance than that she lied on the ticket.

Or it might show she lied...adjl posted...

Actually, I am strongly in favour of the idea of having traffic (and similar) fines being based on income instead of being a flat rate for everybody. As it stands, they're absolutely devastating for poor people (often resulting in a license revocation due to unpaid fines, and therefore impairment of their ability to work), while being a joke for rich people, which means they aren't working as they should be (that is, to discourage unsafe driving). Implementing such a system would get tricky, and would likely end up putting much of the burden on the middle class, as happens with taxes (the poor wouldn't contribute much, the rich would find loopholes to avoid having their income counted), but it'd be better than what's currently there.That said, if you don't want a traffic fine, drive better. It's really not hard to avoid tickets. A ticket shouldn't destroy one's life, but that doesn't mean it's okay to get it in the first place.

Income is way to tricky to actually implement. Well, if you want to avoid ruining people's lives, anyway. Just basing it on income doesn't mean it won't ruin your life if you were already barely scraping by...

streamofthesky posted...

Seriously. Especially on a high way. Everyone is going at least 10-15 mi over, usually I'm going 15-20 over the speed limit and getting passed by tons of people going much faster.

This is true. I see it on my way to the airport everytime...
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Jen0125 posted...

I said I wish more taxes would go to roads. I'm not reading the rest of your stupid shit. Taxation isn't theft. Taxes go to a lot of beneficial programs. If you don't want to be part of a society buy a house boat and go live in the middle of the ocean. Just because taxes are mismanaged doesn't mean they're bad. People are bad. Politicians are bad.

'Argumentum ergo decedo' is essentially the crux of your response.

Also boats require sales tax to purchase, as well as property taxes that are paid, although those are typically initially paid for by the docking marina and then passed onto the customer via docking fees. So your response is merely a pile of stupid shit.
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BADoglick posted...

Jen0125 posted...

I said I wish more taxes would go to roads. I'm not reading the rest of your stupid shit. Taxation isn't theft. Taxes go to a lot of beneficial programs. If you don't want to be part of a society buy a house boat and go live in the middle of the ocean. Just because taxes are mismanaged doesn't mean they're bad. People are bad. Politicians are bad.

'Argumentum ergo decedo' is essentially the crux of your response.

Also boats require sales tax to purchase, as well as property taxes that are paid, although those are typically initially paid for by the docking marina and then passed onto the customer via docking fees. So your response is merely a pile of stupid shit.

Then go buy a boat in a state with no sales tax.

Then float out in the middle of nowhere and dont pay your propert tax.

Dont respond with a pile of stupid shit and call their post a pile of stupid shit.

Im guessing your ass doesnt work anyway so this argument is probably pointless.
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BADoglick posted...

That's the point.

I claim taxation is theft. You claim muh roads. I claim that less than 5% of all taxes go to roads. You state that you wish more of your taxes went to roads. That's the whole point.

If you give someone 20 dollars to buy a case of beer, and they come back with a six pack and said they had to use the rest to buy themselves McDonald's and a pack of smokes, is that not theft? Would you want to give them money again?

Now, let's say every April, that same person makes you to enter that same arrangement via threat of force? Is that not extortion?

Our roads are crumbling, our schools fail to educate, our military hasn't really won a war in 80 years, we receive no universal health coverage.... yet 30% of our income goes towards taxes, and then there's sales, property, estate, gift, sin, and every other type of tax. So where is this money going? Are you getting your money's worth?

I guess when you are brainwashed into thinking taxes pay for muh roads, it's hard to accept the statement that taxation is theft. Maybe the libertarian party should adopt Cardi B's quote as their motto: 'I want receipts for my ****ing money'

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/theft

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/steal
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You don't need to pay for marina docking fees to use a boat launch.
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Jen0125 posted...

You don't need to pay for marina docking fees to use a boat launch.

He can't use any publicly funded, I mean stolen, boat launches though because of principle.
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I once got a speeding ticket for going 44 in a 40 zone. Sure the ticket was only like 80 bucks but it greatly increased my insurance premiums for 3 years. I tried to contest it in court, and the judge just got pissy with me
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CarefreeDude posted...

I once got a speeding ticket for going 44 in a 40 zone. Sure the ticket was only like 80 bucks but it greatly increased my insurance premiums for 3 years. I tried to contest it in court, and the judge just got pissy with me

Yeah that's the thing too. The fine isn't all your paying. Your insurance can easily increase 20 or 30 a month for the next three years. So you're basically looking at in between 600 and 1000 dollars on top of your fine. Of course you cant blame the police for insurance companies but it is pretty fucked that even a minor traffic violation can basically cost you 1500 bucks in the long run

adjl posted...

Unless you were 4-6 inches away from the mirror. You don't know how they measured it. And again, in the dark, with lights flashing, I'm more inclined to believe you misjudged the distance than that she willfully lied about how close you were, especially where you should be subject to a fine anyway for failing to pull over.

I've been driving for years. I know how far away I was and it was several fucking feet. I'm more inclined to believe they misjudged the distance because they were preoccupied with some asshole they likely had pulled over for DUI since it was two cop cars for one guy and then proceeded to right some bullshit on the citation to discourage me from fighting it in court

Krazy_Kirby posted...

are you also one of those idiots who thinks speed traps are entrapment?

If you think deliberate speed traps are ok then you're a bootlicking sycophant

Its everyones fault but mine!!

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OhhhJa posted...

CarefreeDude posted...

I once got a speeding ticket for going 44 in a 40 zone. Sure the ticket was only like 80 bucks but it greatly increased my insurance premiums for 3 years. I tried to contest it in court, and the judge just got pissy with me

Yeah that's the thing too. The fine isn't all your paying. Your insurance can easily increase 20 or 30 a month for the next three years. So you're basically looking at in between 600 and 1000 dollars on top of your fine. Of course you cant blame the police for insurance companies but it is pretty fucked that even a minor traffic violation can basically cost you 1500 bucks in the long run

Breaking the law shows your insurance company that its more dangerous to insure you because you participate in dangerous driving. They have every right to increase your premiums
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OhhhJa posted...

Its everyones fault but mine!!

The most dangerous drivers aren't the ones who are speeding, but the ones driving a different speed from everyone else, whether faster or slower. If you're driving the speed limit, but everyone else is driving faster, the biggest danger on the road is you.
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OhhhJa posted...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

are you also one of those idiots who thinks speed traps are entrapment?

If you think deliberate speed traps are ok then you're a bootlicking sycophant

they aren't forcing you to speed.
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adjl posted...

Actually, I am strongly in favour of the idea of having traffic (and similar) fines being based on income instead of being a flat rate for everybody.

The only actual beneficiary of such a policy would be uber, as cops wonder why speeders picked up in the utter blockade of speed traps in gated communities only seem to have an income around $15k.

Meanwhile, kids end up splatted in the "poor" parts of town, because municipalities have no financial interest in speed enforcement there.

Also you can't get a traffic lawyer anymore, since they're all making buckets of money turning $10000 rolling stop tickets into parking violations somehow.

Yeah? You think that's bad? Try losing your license for drinking in BC.

You're looking at a $500 reinstatement fee. $700 30-day impound plus tow. Interlock system installed in any vehicle you drive (including for work - explain that to your boss) which costs hundreds of dollars each month for any period they want to put you through it (usually six months). A safe-driving course that costs $900. And if you can't afford the impound fees, they apply to have your vehicle crushed, sue you for the amount owing, and then apply for you to never be able to get insurance on any vehicle or your license back again, nation-wide. Ever. Over a fucking towing company not getting their $600+ impound fees from you. Try doing all that while on disability. You're fucked. The punishment should fit the crime and monetary penalties need to be removed, otherwise the police may as well start carrying debit machines.

Yeah, there's something not right about that.

The only way I've thought of to get out of all of that is to renounce your citizenship and then come back into the country like everyone else. At which point you'd be issued a new SIN and a new record because you'd be a new citizen that just so happens to have the same details as someone who lived there before.
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Uh...yeah.

Unlike driving the same speed as the rest of the traffic, drinking and driving actually is dangerous, and entirely unnecessary.

streamofthesky posted...

Uh...yeah.

Unlike driving the same speed as the rest of the traffic, drinking and driving actually is dangerous, and entirely unnecessary.

Everyone has different limits and I'll bet you'd be quite surprised to find the actual statistics behind the percentage of people who drink and drive, and who make it home safe while doing so, but yeah.

Also, there's a huge difference between a town of 1,000 people all from this country and a giant city of 3,000,000 with a shit-mix of people all from different driving and walking backgrounds, but yet the punishment remains the same.

And actually it isn't any less dangerous. Speeding is probably worse.
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zebatov posted...

streamofthesky posted...

Uh...yeah.

Unlike driving the same speed as the rest of the traffic, drinking and driving actually is dangerous, and entirely unnecessary.

Everyone has different limits and I'll bet you'd be quite surprised to find the actual statistics behind the percentage of people who drink and drive, and who make it home safe while doing so, but yeah.

Also, there's a huge difference between a town of 1,000 people all from this country and a giant city of 3,000,000 with a shit-mix of people all from different driving and walking backgrounds, but yet the punishment remains the same.

And actually it isn't any less dangerous. Speeding is probably worse.

OhhhJa posted...

JixHedgehog posted...

It was $500+ for my wifes niece who did 67 in a 40 (California)

What's a move over violation?

Not moving over a lane when a cop has someone pulled over

This isn't a thing here. You just need to slow to 60 (in the immediate lane). I had a cop run out right in front of my truck three lanes over (meaning I don't have to slow down) so I honked and told him to fuck off while flipping him the bird.

Drunk drivers tend to speed.
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zebatov posted...

You think that's bad? Try losing your license for drinking in BC.

I'd rather not, because that would entail being a complete and utter idiot, and the only way I see myself ever doing something that stupid is if I lobotomize myself with a rake.

LinkPizza posted...

That's assuming it was unsafe.

Being pulled over on the side of a highway is always unsafe. You really don't have to look hard to find stories of cops or other people being killed by drivers that didn't give them a wide berth while they were pulled over. Hence laws exist to mitigate that danger. If anyone (cop or otherwise) is pulled over on the side of the road, slow down and give them some extra room. It's just a good idea.

LinkPizza posted...

Income is way to tricky to actually implement. Well, if you want to avoid ruining people's lives, anyway. Just basing it on income doesn't mean it won't ruin your life if you were already barely scraping by...

There'd need to be some degree of nuance, including a community service option in lieu of a monetary fine. Defining a poverty line as is done with taxes would also cut down on the "barely scraping by" issue. The exact details, I don't have, because this isn't my job. All I can say for sure is that having a flat fine means there are many people for whom a ticket is absolutely devastating, and many more for whom the fines are going to be negligible. Ideally, fines should be a significant enough deterrent to change behaviour for everyone receiving it, but not enough to ruin any lives (at least not for occasional violators), and that means it has to scale based on the violator's means.

Questionmarktarius posted...

The only actual beneficiary of such a policy would be uber, as cops wonder why speeders picked up in the utter blockade of speed traps in gated communities only seem to have an income around $15k.

Meanwhile, kids end up splatted in the "poor" parts of town, because municipalities have no financial interest in speed enforcement there.

Also you can't get a traffic lawyer anymore, since they're all making buckets of money turning $10000 rolling stop tickets into parking violations somehow.

Again, some nuance is needed. You can come up with policies that ensure the region is uniformly covered. Enforcing those policies is another story, since the ones who would be enforcing them are the ones who need to follow them, but this is not an insurmountable issue.
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zebatov posted...

Yeah? You think that's bad? Try losing your license for drinking in BC.

try not drinking and driving. i hear that helps.
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Revelation34 posted...

Drunk drivers tend to speed.

I've always heard the opposite. Like a lot of them sometimes go slow to avoid getting pulled over for speeding. And then being found out that they were drunk...

adjl posted...

Being pulled over on the side of a highway is always unsafe. You really don't have to look hard to find stories of cops or other people being killed by drivers that didn't give them a wide berth while they were pulled over. Hence laws exist to mitigate that danger. If anyone (cop or otherwise) is pulled over on the side of the road, slow down and give them some extra room. It's just a good idea.

Yeah. I know it can be unsafe. But it's still case by case. I think it's unsafe when people are speeding by them and are too close. But I'm not sure how fast he was going. Or how close he actually was...

adjl posted...

There'd need to be some degree of nuance, including a community service option in lieu of a monetary fine. Defining a poverty line as is done with taxes would also cut down on the "barely scraping by" issue. The exact details, I don't have, because this isn't my job. All I can say for sure is that having a flat fine means there are many people for whom a ticket is absolutely devastating, and many more for whom the fines are going to be negligible. Ideally, fines should be a significant enough deterrent to change behaviour for everyone receiving it, but not enough to ruin any lives (at least not for occasional violators), and that means it has to scale based on the violator's means.

I agree that having a flat rate isn't good for everybody since, like you said, it could ruin some people's lives, while it's pocket change for others. I was just saying it's always hard to know how much it takes to ruin a life. I do agree that something has to be done as a deterrent, though...
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Revelation34 posted...

Drunk drivers tend to speed.

Nobody I know. Speed = stopped = worse. Do everything by the book = not speeding/always signal = not caught. Again, people who can handle their shiz shouldn't be bothered. Small-town pigs have nothing better to do with themselves. Focus their attention on people who make it home safe over patrolling high-crime areas = waste of tax dollars that are already being wasted on other things = compounded waste.

Jen0125 posted...

try not drinking and driving. i hear that helps.

Try fighting bullshit legislation instead of asking "How high?"

LinkPizza posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Drunk drivers tend to speed.

I've always heard the opposite. Like a lot of them sometimes go slow to avoid getting pulled over for speeding. And then being found out that they were drunk...

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SkynyrdRocker posted...

Cacciato posted...

OhhhJa posted...

A buddy of mine had a speeding ticket for like 21 over and it was 600 plus.

good

Jen0125 posted...

Well maybe try not driving like an asshole. That might help you not get tickets.

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I got caught making a rolling stop through a stop sign and it was like $300, plus my insurance went up by $20. Before that, I got hit with an $80 fine for a red light violation.
There was no 'No Turn On Red' sign and the road was clear so I just went. Very few lights near me have cameras and I didn't think that was one of them...oops. All of this was just a few months after I got my license. :(
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SilentSeph posted...

I got caught making a rolling stop through a stop sign and it was like $300, plus my insurance went up by $20. Before that, I got hit with an $80 fine for a red light violation.
There was no 'No Turn On Red' sign and the road was clear so I just went. Very few lights near me have cameras and I didn't think that was one of them...oops. All of this was just a few months after I got my license. :(

I once got a warning at a stop sign. The cop said I did stop, but not for a full three seconds. That's the only cop that ever did that...
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zebatov posted...

Try fighting bullshit legislation instead of asking "How high?"

or try not trying to justify your shitty behavior by not drinking and driving.
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LinkPizza posted...

SilentSeph posted...

I got caught making a rolling stop through a stop sign and it was like $300, plus my insurance went up by $20. Before that, I got hit with an $80 fine for a red light violation.
There was no 'No Turn On Red' sign and the road was clear so I just went. Very few lights near me have cameras and I didn't think that was one of them...oops. All of this was just a few months after I got my license. :(

I once got a warning at a stop sign. The cop said I did stop, but not for a full three seconds. That's the only cop that ever did that...

Wow that cop must have been incredibly bored haha
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

are you also one of those idiots who thinks speed traps are entrapment?

If you think deliberate speed traps are ok then you're a bootlicking sycophant

they aren't forcing you to speed.

You obviously are completely oblivious to blatant revenue gathering. It does happen in a lot of places. The town I mentioned that got written up in the news had drastically varying speed limits that lasted for very short durations and signs that were strategically hidden behind shrubs and trees where most people wouldn't notice the drop. Coincidentally they posted up right after the hidden drop which lasted for (I shit you not) 1.2 miles.

But hey, I'm sure you'd be happy to smile and lick their balls for them. You should be driving 25 always no matter what right? 6 lanes highways totally call for surprise 35 mph spots at random with no rhyme or reason

Goddamn you're super upset about that lol
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PuddingBoy posted...

Its everyones fault but mine!!

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OhhhJa posted...

CarefreeDude posted...

I once got a speeding ticket for going 44 in a 40 zone. Sure the ticket was only like 80 bucks but it greatly increased my insurance premiums for 3 years. I tried to contest it in court, and the judge just got pissy with me

Yeah that's the thing too. The fine isn't all your paying. Your insurance can easily increase 20 or 30 a month for the next three years. So you're basically looking at in between 600 and 1000 dollars on top of your fine. Of course you cant blame the police for insurance companies but it is pretty fucked that even a minor traffic violation can basically cost you 1500 bucks in the long run

Breaking the law shows your insurance company that its more dangerous to insure you because you participate in dangerous driving. They have every right to increase your premiums

Its at least a great excuse for them to charge me nearly as much as my entire car payment. They're definitely making a fucking killing thats for sure. And its required by law so they definitely have you by the balls

SilentSeph posted...

LinkPizza posted...

SilentSeph posted...

I got caught making a rolling stop through a stop sign and it was like $300, plus my insurance went up by $20. Before that, I got hit with an $80 fine for a red light violation.
There was no 'No Turn On Red' sign and the road was clear so I just went. Very few lights near me have cameras and I didn't think that was one of them...oops. All of this was just a few months after I got my license. :(

I once got a warning at a stop sign. The cop said I did stop, but not for a full three seconds. That's the only cop that ever did that...

Wow that cop must have been incredibly bored haha

That's what I'm thinking. It does seem that there isn't much to do on base, though...
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Cacciato posted...

Goddamn you're super upset about that lol

Well its blatant bullshit. At least most bullshit is thinly veiled my dude

Imagine ranting and raving this much over something that is your own damn fault. 10/10 comedy topic.
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so many cop hating idiots in the world
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