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| Topic | yoko shimomura > nobuo uematsu |
| MartinFF7 11/03/20 5:25:46 PM #4 | Yasunori Mitsuda > (ok that was my intstant gut reaction until I realized I don't think I've heard any of his stuff in like, 15 years. But the Chrono and Xeno stretch in the 90s and early 00s... so good) |
| Topic | Andy plays Final Fantasy Tactics (Blind Playthrough) |
| MartinFF7 10/31/20 8:17:03 PM #145 | Finished the game just shy of andylt posted... Sidebar, I've unlocked the Calculator class! Multiple people have mentioned this being a great class, so I try it on a random battle and... oh god it's so slow. It's so slow and you can barely move and how does the Math skill even work, it's not really explained. lol!! It can't be TOO good, the speed is the downside. It's best as the secondary ability on a Wizard, yeah... that's why I did my grinding in a single battle to max it out, jacking everyone's Speed up with Yell & Speed Breaking the enemy down to 1. That was my Wednesday night, I think? As tedious as it was, never had to worry about it again. Though Calculators really are so broken... I think if you hit Select it'll explain a bit better what the class entails/how to use it? Otherwise I'm sure one of us can explain it. Also: Nobody's wants you to be King! Another line that made me lol. I mean... when he's right, he's right. |
| Topic | Andy plays Final Fantasy Tactics (Blind Playthrough) |
| MartinFF7 10/31/20 1:47:22 AM #138 | andylt posted... After looking at the local rumours we get access to what appears to be a new side-area, so I'll probably go here before continuing with the plot. If you're referring to Nevelska something-or-other, don't worry about it showing as a red dot but not triggering a battle... more sidequesting needs to be done before you can follow through on that (something I learned myself yesterday & followed through on today). I remembered the game's story beats from the first 3 chapters pretty clearly but wow, I forgot a lot of what happened in Chapter 4, including the fight with Delita joining as a guest. Which was great. Zalmo: hey aren't you Delita Delita: since you saw me, now you must die! I lol'd. I'm almost done swimming in dopamine from my gaming binge here, game file just passed 37 hours when I finished for the day. Also just realized those 37 hours don't include all the times I died... including 3 times against Wiegraf and cheesing to get through 4th. Some things never change. Anyways, from my googling it looks like I did all the (non-WotL) optional stuff except for Looking forward to reading andy's ongoing updates now that I remember what actually happens, hahaha... |
| Topic | Andy plays Final Fantasy Tactics (Blind Playthrough) |
| MartinFF7 10/29/20 2:47:08 AM #113 | I proceeded with my maximum cheese method on Queklain: -gained my Calculator class for the 2 characters I was aiming for just before his fight + needed to level up Mediator to get Bard -Two-Sworded Speed Break (plus a regular Speed Break) getting him to minimum speed ...I may have gone a little too crazy, let's just say I'm starting chapter 3 off with maxed Math Skill as the secondary ability for each of them, and this is also the first time I've used the Bard class, very exciting. Though I kind of regret setting up both my female units down the Calculator path rather than setting one up as a Dancer, eh... probably gonna get started on that for one of them tomorrow. andylt posted... Why don't they let you save after the 1 on 1 oh my god I thought that was the hard part I lol'ed :( ah.... that definitely brings back memories. I do remember relying on Auto-Potion too. A true trial for every first time FFT player - look forward to next update!! |
| Topic | Andy plays Final Fantasy Tactics (Blind Playthrough) |
| MartinFF7 10/28/20 11:00:09 AM #101 | Got home from vacation, played FFT 6 hours. I recently watched a speedrun that took 6 hours to complete and I couldn't even get to Fort Zeakden. Though I spent way too much time on random battles and JP grinding, man it's fun. I'm going for classes I never used before, gonna be fun. Now fueled by a big breakfast (including 2 large coffees), gonna try to fit in a solid 10 to 12 hours today. Vacations are great, lol... Also so busy that I haven't read andy's updates but I will during my breaktime, just caught this: andylt posted... Wiegraf transforms into another Lucavi demon and leaves... Not looking forward to meeting him again, hopefully he keeps some of his old self still... Me to anyone not keeping up with andy's playthrough: https://i.imgur.com/VRBdQU1.gif |
| Topic | Andy plays Final Fantasy Tactics (Blind Playthrough) |
| MartinFF7 10/26/20 8:22:35 PM #81 | The castle gate fight is the one I most clearly remember, but I also remember: -having a certain support ability on everybody which makes it a joke... -getting Blood Sword from Gaff's crystal (I think you can steal it from him too) I forgot the Queklain fight happened right after that one, but I'm pretty sure that was my first lesson in save-to-another-save-file for sure, hahaha... Keep getting those shivers because the save-prompting isn't over yet...! (I'll be playing the game in under 24 hours so I'm very excited...Squall won but Delita leapfrogs him on the game replay list all thanks to andy!) |
| Topic | Andy plays Final Fantasy Tactics (Blind Playthrough) |
| MartinFF7 10/25/20 10:46:54 PM #73 | Gonna have to blitz through the game when I get home to catch up to andy, hahaha... One question for andy or anyone else: does the game utilize the joystick at all or was it just the d-pad? Going to play my greatest hits version on PS3 and I just remembered my PS3 controller had joystick drift so just wondering, but I probably should buy a new one anyways... assuming PS3 controllers are still sold, oh geez. I got a wired backup in any case but once you go wireless... (I also didnt know about permanent stat increases so I'm learning a bunch too, nice!) |
| Topic | Andy plays Final Fantasy Tactics (Blind Playthrough) |
| MartinFF7 10/24/20 5:55:37 PM #52 | andylt posted... I'm very much enjoying the Delita/Ramza relationship. Yeah!! iirc Don't Move is literally, you can perform actions but the impacted unit won't be able to move off of the square they occupy. Stop straight up stops them from referring any actions. I forgot about Don't Move but it definitely neuters enemies who don't have long range attacks, and pretty sure it has a much better chance of landing than Stop does... just another reason Time Mages are great! |
| Topic | Did anyone here watch Under the Dome? |
| MartinFF7 10/24/20 3:59:32 PM #25 | PrivateBiscuit1 posted... Enjoy Season 2! |
| Topic | Andy plays Final Fantasy Tactics (Blind Playthrough) |
| MartinFF7 10/23/20 11:05:48 PM #40 | I remember seriously loving Time Mages, not just for the abilities they can learn but some of their support stuff... go for it imo ...I don't remember Oracles at all but there are a lot of classes I would just never use (gotta use them in my next playthrough!) Edit: I also forgot to mention earlier - Tactics OST is really so good, just absolute bangers all over the place. I never forgot Apoplexy... but yeah, you should pick up the OST too (but maybe not until after you've beaten the game) |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/23/20 9:52:53 PM #490 | Lefty: thanks again for running the contest... the journey is always a good time (even if the wheels start to fall off as we get to the end) Nanis: forget Brahne and get Necron in!! Just give us a chance to destroy the crystal (contest) and reduce all existence to the zero world (our lives before becoming aware of the contest's existence) v_charon posted... So checking the bottom 10 in overall stats: I love Shuyin redemption but Gabranth being in last place if/when it succeeds feels bad. I hope someone noms in Vaan like Genny was planning to this year, just so he does get booted asap. Of course knowing our luck he'll pull a Penelo... |
| Topic | Andy plays Final Fantasy Tactics (Blind Playthrough) |
| MartinFF7 10/22/20 11:49:11 PM #29 | redrocket posted... You can grind if you need to, but be aware it can destroy the challenge of the game if you over do it! Just reminded me of how I rush to get Teleport as fast as possible... Ah this is giving me the urge to replay too, especially now that I know about the JP scroll glitch... on vacation right now but maybe when I get back home... |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/22/20 4:44:05 PM #440 | Quitbanningme posted... If you get people on board, I will back this up, hard. I like to think the Aerith crew would reassemble... Sephiroth is more of a question mark. Thanks for answering my question about Cloud's win btw. Hoovering up future-dated NRs... that sounds nice. |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/22/20 12:11:56 PM #429 | Hbthebattle posted... "pirate leader of Norg" Lion will not go down so easily ( ) Leonhart4 posted... The natural transition for the championship is to go from Leonhart to Lockhart This guy! Now you really do need to come back!!! Team FFWA, lol |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/22/20 10:46:06 AM #418 | Next year, Steiner... a Sephiroth/Aerith dual run would have great meme potential and be the next best thing to a Tifa/Aerith final. Let's make Eddv suffer, lol |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/22/20 10:18:12 AM #414 | We need more Jessie saving tbh. If Suprak and Lea are indeed her mains next year that should put her in a better spot than this year! Maybe can also convince swordz to main Jessie too, instead... |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/22/20 10:10:19 AM #412 | |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/22/20 9:59:24 AM #410 | Arti posted... I'll be sure to keep saving Yuffie instead of other FFVII characters  |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/22/20 8:46:40 AM #407 | Also, Matoya should get in next year after the tiebreaker close calls the past couple of years... VeryInsane posted... oh martin what was your rank Yeah I didn't, but might as well. Tifa Aerith Barret Squall Kefka Garnet Seymour Delita Celes Tidus Cecil Emet-Selch Yuffie Red XIII Edea Clear top 3 FF7, then Squall through Delita is my "characters I like" tier, then Celes through Emet-Selch is my "indifference" tier, then we have the bottom 3. Bonus Martin list: preference ranking the 18 FF7 characters from this contest (subject to whims of change at any moment but I think this is how it presently is...) Tifa Lockhart Jessie Rasberry Aerith Gainsborough Cissnei Sephiroth Cloud Strife Barret Wallace Cid Highwind Vincent Valentine Reno Zack Fair Elena Rufus Shinra Cait Sith Genesis Rhapsodos Dark Nation Red XIII Yuffie Kisaragi Congrats to Red XIII for jumping above Yuffie in my contest-saving opinion. Despite all the mistakes and regrets I had this contest - accidentally saving Cid P instead of Cid H, purposefully saving Penelo instead of Cissnei, not holding on Day 11 where if I did Zidane would've likely been hard booted, having to choose between Tifa and Sephiroth Day 21 and choosing wrong (or just not holding a bit longer to see if one or the other got a save) - my biggest regret is not saving Vincent over Yuffie on Day 17. Rather than choosing the obviously better character, even if he'd probably just be eliminated the very next day, I went with the character that had a "better chance" to go deeper in the contest. And she sure did. But there are so many better FF7 characters that deserve to make deep runs and it's always disappointing that she's the top FF7 character, at least stats-wise. Always the one that endures, "teflon Yuffie". Every round she was hanging around was just that much more frustrating, at a time when Tifa was barely scraping by and Aerith got lawyered, there was Yuffie surviving, again. It was really starting to bother me, at least she didn't make the top 10. I saved her plenty last year but after this year she just dropped like a rock completely for me. I'm sure she'll get right back to the top 20 next year too, at the expense of better characters, and it'll still be disappointing. In any case, lesson learned: don't do the snipe if you can't handle the consequences. |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/22/20 8:23:21 AM #406 | Steiner posted... all of sephiroth, seifer and reno free to nominate, lets go baybee Can Reno get out of boots? Or will he cement his 'soft boot king' status by adding another one to his tally? Exciting times... Nanis23 posted... Hey Martin, I am glad to be a best match with people No worries. Every user's list is compared against every other user's list, and by compared I mean their character ranks are subtracted against one another. So if you have Garnet #1 and I have her #6, we have a difference of 5 for her. This comparison gets done for all 15 characters. Then the "standard deviation" is taken on all 15 of the character difference numbers (as I mentioned before, not even sure this is the right formula to use in this case but whatever, that's how it was done) to arrive at a single number. So when you're the "best match" for a user that means, out of the other 45 participants excluding themself, your list produced the lowest standard deviation when compared against their list, hence, best match. I don't know what it means. i like to think it means you have a good list! |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/21/20 10:22:56 PM #383 | Maniac64 posted... Not surprised by Ark and charon.  Big Squall and Seymour differences but lots of smaller numbers, not as many 0/1/2 with charon and Ark and that makes the difference in the end. |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/21/20 7:49:40 PM #344 | (he's not even the best character in his game, even if he is technically the main) |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/21/20 7:42:54 PM #342 | Xuxon posted... huh, bit surprised Drak didn't end up my least compatible. i know we have opposite opinions on at least 4 characters, but i guess agreeing on Yuffie and Seymour was enough? Mewtwo and i must really disagree about everything other than Kefka and Barret in that top 15. Yankees didn't submit a list. You had some big difference with Drakeryn but you also had 4 differences of 1 placement & 4 differences of 2 placements so that helped temper things. With Mewtwo you had four double-digits, despite being 1 off on Kefka. Just a bit more mismatched. With BetrayedTangy, you had 10 place difference on Tidus and 6 on Seymour but everything else was super low:  3 spots on Squall and Edea 2 on Barret and Yuffie 1 on Kefka, Tifa, Celes, Cecil, Garnet, Emet, Red XIII and Delita (!!!) And exact same on Aerith More than half your lists only 1 place off each other, it really adds up! |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/21/20 7:25:18 PM #334 | VeryInsane posted... Honestly if you have like, 3 FF7 characters in your top five in some order Eddv's probably your worst match Pretty much how the "worst matchup" between Eddv and Snake plays out. Not posting lists but, let's just say they had 5 matches which were a double digit difference, and all but 1 rank had a difference of 4 or more (though that 1 placement was a 0) As for the next-worst matchup, Luis_Sera and Moonroof:  Complete inversion on Emet-Selch, 13 spots on Tidus, 11 spots on Edea, 9 on Celes, Squall and Seymour. Best fits are Aerith and Kefka at 2 spots off but too much difference! |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/21/20 7:14:02 PM #328 | 
No difference greater than 5 and a lot of 0s or 1s is what it takes to be the best! Looking at GMUN and mnkboy: 
More 0s, but more 3s, ends up with the same standard deviation as the Bane/MZero match I guess! |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/21/20 6:53:38 PM #318 | Steiner posted... fuck you Eddv I just literally lol'ed Guess what, I just opened up last year's file and he was your worst match there too. The more things change...! Grimlyn posted... I'm pretty sure mnk was my best match last year Let me see... nope FFDragon was best last year! mnkboy was actually really bad, standard deviation over 7... Gilgamesh, Red Mage, Aerith, Quina, Lightning were all differences of 9 places or more between you two. |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/21/20 6:41:26 PM #311 | Alright, here's the compatibility stats for all 46 participants. First is the username, best match, worst match. In brackets is the standard deviation of the different between your matches and their matches. I don't remember what standard deviation represents, read about it on wikipedia, who knows if it's even applicable in this case but thats how it's done. Note that "best matches" don't always go the same way. So for example my best match was with captaincanadian, but captain's was with Nanis (and Nanis with captain), so they were just... that much more closely aligned! For the "best matches", less than 3 is really terrific, 3 to 3.6 rounds up the upper half, and the rest are lower half. There's a couple of "best matches" below 5 which, well, no really good matches out there...? For "worst matches", a standard deviation of 7.9 is about the halfway point. 7.101 is the least "worst" match, which was my match with Drakeryn, which I think proves I have the best taste by being the least "off" from everyone else...? There are 4 users (2 pairs) who tied for "best match" and I'll be commenting on them separately to this post, later on; also going to comment on the worst & second-worst matches too. Generally speaking, 29 of the 46 participants were someone's "best" match, with Nanis, Great_Paul, Steiner, GMUN and Maniac64 leading the way with being the "best" match for 3 users each. Conversely, 25 of the 46 participants were someone's "worst" match, with Eddv domnating as the "worst" matchup for 8 (!!) different users, with Drakeryn and Luis_Sera following up with 4 each. So here's the stats and I've bolded the 2 pairs of the best and the 2 pairs of the worst: andy | Best Match: MZero (3.645) | Worst Match: mnkboy (7.910) Arti | Best Match: KommunistKoala (3.251) | Worst Match: Eddv (7.221) Bane | Best Match: MZero (2.699) | Worst Match: Luis_Sera89 (7.474) BetrayedTangy | Best Match: pjbasis (3.140) | Worst Match: Drakeryn (7.644) captaincanadiancanadian | Best Match: Nanis (3.381) | Worst Match: Eddv (7.131) Denzokuken | Best Match: Snake5555555555 (2.952) | Worst Match: Eddv (8.185) Drakeryn | Best Match: Janus (5.318) | Worst Match: pjbasis (7.937) ecksgem | Best Match: pjbasis (3.817) | Worst Match: Luis_Sera89 (7.181) Eddv | Best Match: Mewtwo (4.293) | Worst Match: Snake5555555555 (8.668) Fbike | Best Match: Eddv (5.593) | Worst Match: swordz (8.106) FFDragon | Best Match: ecksgem (4.342) | Worst Match: VengefulKaelee (8.124) GMUN | Best Match: mnkboy (2.699) | Worst Match: Maniac64 (7.874) Great_Paul | Best Match: StifledSilence (3.117) | Worst Match: Eddv (7.991) guffguy89 | Best Match: Steiner (3.665) | Worst Match: Luis_Sera89 (7.883) illuminatusbubu | Best Match: guffguy89 (4.309) | Worst Match: andy (7.397) Inviso | Best Match: Nanis (4.359) | Worst Match: Janus (7.531) Janus | Best Match: Maniac64 (3.546) | Worst Match: TotallyNotMI (8.089) KommunistKoala | Best Match: Great_Paul (3.229) | Worst Match: Eddv (7.378) Leanansidhe | Best Match: linkhatesganon (3.780) | Worst Match: PrinceKaro (7.928) linkhatesganon | Best Match: RaidenGarai (3.381) | Worst Match: Drakeryn (7.502) Lopen | Best Match: v_charon (4.309) | Worst Match: tennisboy213 (7.865) Luis_Sera89 | Best Match: tennisboy213 (4.309) | Worst Match: Moonroof (8.384) Maniac64 | Best Match: Janus (3.546) | Worst Match: GMUN (7.874) Martin | Best Match: captaincanadian (3.443) | Worst Match: Drakeryn (7.101) Mewtwo | Best Match: Eddv (4.293) | Worst Match: Steiner (7.700) mnkboy | Best Match: GMUN (2.699) | Worst Match: andy (7.910) Moonroof | Best Match: Steiner (3.566) | Worst Match: Luis_Sera89 (8.384) MZero | Best Match: Bane (2.699) | Worst Match: FFDragon (7.483) Nanis | Best Match: captaincanadiancanadian (3.381) | Worst Match: Lopen (7.387) pjbasis | Best Match: BetrayedTangy (3.140) | Worst Match: Drakeryn (7.937) PrinceKaro | Best Match: yellowwolley (4.123) | Worst Match: TheArkOfTurus (8.098) RaidenGarai | Best Match: linkhatesganon (3.381) | Worst Match: Robazoid (7.300) Robazoid | Best Match: PrinceKaro (4.175) | Worst Match: andy (7.493) Snake5555555555 | Best Match: Steiner (2.726) | Worst Match: Eddv (8.668) Steiner | Best Match: Snake5555555555 (2.726) | Worst Match: Eddv (8.298) StifledSilence | Best Match: Great_Paul (3.117) | Worst Match: Eddv (7.892) swordz | Best Match: Moonroof (3.586) | Worst Match: Fbike (8.106) tennisboy213 | Best Match: GMUN (4.293) | Worst Match: v_charon (8.080) TheArkOfTurus | Best Match: Maniac64 (4.209) | Worst Match: PrinceKaro (8.098) TotallyNotMI | Best Match: GMUN (4.106) | Worst Match: Janus (8.089) v_charon | Best Match: Maniac64 (3.836) | Worst Match: tennisboy213 (8.080) VengefulKaelee | Best Match: Denzokuken (3.546) | Worst Match: FFDragon (8.124) VeryInsane | Best Match: Leanansidhe (4.276) | Worst Match: Inviso (7.329) Xuxon | Best Match: BetrayedTangy (3.485) | Worst Match: Mewtwo (7.270) yellowwolley | Best Match: Great_Paul (4.123) | Worst Match: TheArkOfTurus (7.663) Zigzagoon | Best Match: Nanis (4.472) | Worst Match: Lopen (7.709) |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/21/20 6:10:12 PM #307 | lol I'm supposed to be on vacation today but I'm still working... it'll be coming soon enough Lea, I thought for sure it'd be you and me since you had Tifa and Aerith ranked high, and Yuffie and Red XIII ranked low, like we were almost perfect there.... but we had too large a discrepancy on Tidus. You have a good match imo, someone who was really my bro the past few weeks (uh, except on Day 96). SockoressKnight posted... I'm so happy that my favorite Final Fantasy character won the contest Socko, I gotta ask, and feel free to just ignore me since it's none of my business and I won't push any further, but: what was going on with you towards the end? I thought you were a Squall guy all along but if I'm not mistaken, you missed the last few days entirely? And you never saved once in the finals? I was so confused, just wasn't sure what was going on tbh... |
| Topic | Andy plays Final Fantasy Tactics (Blind Playthrough) |
| MartinFF7 10/21/20 3:32:55 PM #6 | Glorious tag andylt posted... Shoutout to Evillordexdeath for giving me this advice: "whenever the game prompts you to save without returning you to the world map, make sure to save to a separate file". Truly... this is the best advice. |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/21/20 2:33:28 PM #268 | Super happy for you pj!!! No retirement though.  I had always hoped for a Squall win (he was my #4 behind Tifa, Aerith and Barret), and I like when a long-suffering character with past close calls finally gets their win. Lightning last year, Squall this year and - though I wasn't around for it - Cloud in XIX all fit that bill. Maybe next year really could be Kefka's year... |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/21/20 1:04:26 PM #255 | Glad to hear that FFD! You reminded me I have some more preference stats... day-by-day, who was in the "preference" lead after each elimination:  I had been doing pretty good right up until Day 97, alas... And for our three "winners", Janus, VI and FFDragon, here's how their average ratings went along the way, starting with the 8.00 average at 15 characters left before ending up at 2.5 with 2 characters left:  FFD taking a hit with the Kefka elimination while VI and Janus had a bounce-up following Barret's, but they all converged towards the end (Janus suffering one last uptick from the terrible Tifa elimination) Okay now I need to figure out how to get the compatibility stats captured without taking screenshots.... that'll be later today I guess. |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/21/20 12:48:19 AM #226 | Ok, last round of stats for the day on the subject of new entrants & re-entrants, this was the final tally for this year's 25, relative to each of the past two contests. Started badly compared to last year, equalized past the midway point, and then pretty well fell apart after the top 25. Of course it's tough to compete with two straight years of 2nd and 3rd place. New characters did dominate, as Emet-Selch's 12th place did top Goffard's 13th and X-ATM's 41st finishes for best placement of a brand new contest character; Judgemaster Cid and Dark Nation putting 3 newbies in the top 20 and 6 in the top 40, which really puts X-ATM092 to shame... Also can't really do comparisons next year if we have a class of 28 instead of 25... but maybe we will anyways!  And a reminder for next year, in case you want to get those predictive juices flowing: Last year's hard boots: 86. Adelle 87. Snow Villiers 88. Balthier 89. Chocolina 90. Isaaru 91. Wakka 92. Selphie Tilmitt 93. Noctis Lucis Caelum 94. Umaro 95. Yuna 96. Cyan Garamonde 97. Chocobo 98. Cindy Aurum 99. Hope Estheim 100. Fran This year's soft boots: 76. Seifer Almasy 77. Gaius van Baelsar 78. Larsa Ferrinas Solidor 79. Terra Branford 80. Sephiroth 81. Reno 82. Laguna Loire 83. Edward Chris von Muir 84. Vincent Valentine 85. Cidolfus Orlandeau And lastly (and really unrelated to the above but might as well throw this here too), the series dominance stats returned from a previous bonus stats day, now with:
 .... ok all I have left are "Martin's Top 7 Regrets of SMFFFC XXII" and compatibility stats... maybe I'll skip the former and go right to the latter, tomorrow... |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/20/20 11:53:25 PM #220 | Every time GMUN mentions Belle my heart blooms. She really is so great! People should watch FFCCTCBTM!!! btw you should check andy's topic, you might like how the poll is looking, I guess the stuffer got to it, lol. Maybe andy is the missing piece of the puzzle... Xuxon posted... i know Martin wants to push Seph but i don't like him quite enough to support over Kefka. A very unenthusiastic push! Really just hoping there's something I still want to support when he's eliminated, the goal for him is just top 20, though that was the Tifa goal at the outset too... Get the Kefka win next year, then we recreate the Tifa run ;( |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/20/20 11:31:58 PM #204 | Drakeryn posted... >:| Probably for the best for Squall, I meant! Looks at the results, the contest can only handle keeping 1 FF8 character afloat, a Seifer run could've interfered!!! |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/20/20 11:24:24 PM #198 | The dream is still cross-platform Remake boosting the performance. Nanis23 posted... :| Again, everyone is completely disconnected. FF7 can always dominate stats because you have 2 or more people on each character, completely siloed. You can look at any character elimination and see how the backers didn't stay "within the series", there's very few users like that. The best opportunity for consolidation was Aerith, because you could see that literally every one of her backers went to a non-7 character. So....... Justice for Aerith? VeryInsane posted... Remake Boost Seph was this year I still say & believe that Sephiroth was a remake deboost. I feel obligated to main him next year but I'm not feeling too enthused about it. I'll replay Crisis Core beforehand, I guess. I just can't see an FF7 character winning and I don't know how it happened in XIX, MWC you have to explain how you guys pulled that off, considering best 7 placements the past 3 years: 4th, 6th, 4th... definitely can't see Sephiroth winning, though he did get 3rd in recent history? I guess anything's possible. Anyways, this reminds me of something else I wanted to post about in the results topic: what I posted in last year's results topic, when we were talking about our hopes or dreams for next year.  The Squall run worked out, Seifer was a non-entity (probably for the best), we got the deep Garnet run I was hoping for, top 5 Seymour... lots of nice stories this year. Kefka ran into an unfortunate end... Tifa backed up her look with really astounding character development & battle prowess beyond what I ever expected, and was close but no cigar. And yeah, Sephiroth, fuck. Every year I've been here it's been one misfortune after another with him. Maybe next year. Anyone want to make any hot takes for next year so they can claim credit? Now that Squall got a win, can people really coalesce behind Kefka? Are we really going to get a Selphie redemption run? Will YRP actually be a force? Are we ready for "Yes, rich Ramza"? |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/20/20 10:20:07 PM #179 | Nanis23 posted... :( You reminded me of another stat opportunity: average character rankings: Aerith - 5.65 Kefka - 6.09 Tifa - 6.39 Barret - 7.02 Squall - 7.09 Yuffie - 7.54 Red XIII - 7.76 Garnet - 7.93 Celes - 7.96 Tidus - 8.11 Cecil - 8.52 Seymour - 8.59 Delita - 8.91 Emet - 11.09 Edea - 11.35 I was genuinely surprised to see Aerith in 1st place, since Kefka was a far-and-away 1st place in last year's rankings. Tifa in 3rd was also nice to see. Delita being that low was surprising but I guess he suffered a bit like Emet, of people who just haven't played his game (but Tactics is really great and everyone should play it). Going one step further: if we exclusively look at everyone's #1 ranks and everyone's #15 (keeping in mind n=46) NUMBER ONE PREFERRED RANKING Seymour: 5 Tifa: 5 Tidus: 5 Aerith: 4 Kefka: 4 Garnet: 4 Barret: 3 Delita: 3 Red XIII: 3 Emet: 2 Yuffie: 2 Squall: 2 Celes: 2 Cecil: 1 Edea: 1 All 15 characters show up on at least one person's list. Seymour and Tifa crews coming out strong; victorious Squall #1 shared by Janus and pjbasis. NUMBER FIFTEEN PREFERRED RANKING Edea: 16 Tidus: 5 Seymour: 4 Emet: 4 Yuffie: 3 Celes: 3 Kefka: 3 Squall: 2 Delita: 2 Cecil: 2 Tifa: 1 Garnet: 1 Aerith: 0 Barret: 0 Red XIII: 0 -Tidus and Seymour, tying for most #1s, end up 2nd and 3rd on the most #15s lists -No surprise who's tops of this list -***ALERT, ALERT*** GuessMyUserName IS THE USER WITH TIFA RANKED #15, PLEASE MAKE A NOTE OF TERRIBLE OPINIONS FOR FUTURE REFERENCE ***ALERT, ALERT*** -Aerith, Barret and Red XIII have the privilege of no #15 rankings So if we come up with my completely arbitrary "net absolute preference score", the sum of #1 placements minus the sum of #15 placements: Aerith: 4 Tifa: 4 Barret: 3 Garnet: 3 Red XIII: 3 Delita: 1 Kefka: 1 Seymour: 1 Squall: 0 Tidus: 0 Cecil: -1 Celes: -1 Yuffie: -1 Emet: -2 Edea: -15 Aerith and Tifa tied as top #1 minus #15 ranked characters. You love to see it. |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/20/20 10:12:39 PM #177 | Leanansidhe posted... That's a really cool stat, Martin! In a way, I think we can say that I am the true winner of these contests You do have a habit of falling ass-backwards into fortunate finals outcomes, it seems... Get Jessie into the top 15 next year and rank her #6!! Bane_Of_Despair posted... damn so close, should have switched Red XIII and Squall See, that's what you get for ranking with your heart (Red XIII in 1st) instead of... uh... your true heart (like you posted the other day, Squall was always your true #1!) Though I did notice when you said your opinion of Delita changed since the initial ranking, and there was a missed opportunity on my end to solicit updated top 15 rankings from people, but I just didn't have the time, or really the desire after Day 97 (and 98 led right into the finals). Who knows, maybe next year. |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/20/20 9:54:22 PM #165 | Uh, we're over 3 pages down and I haven't posted any stats yet and I have so many, gotta start rolling here. First, I wanted to thank everybody who submitted a top 15 list, now we get the payoff. TOP 15 PREFERENCE RANKING STATS! (n=46) Best finals outcome: tied between Janus, FFDragon and VeryInsane (1 vs. 4) Worst finals outcome: Nanis (13 vs. 15) Widest variance: TheArkOfTurus (1 vs. 14) Narrowest variance: Arti, GMUN, Inviso, Lopen and TotallyNotMI all had Delita and Squall next to each other in their rankings (For comparisons to last year: best was 1 vs. 6 and worst was 12 vs. 15, so a little better and a little worse respectively this year. The widest variance had been 1 vs. 15, and the narrowest was only one user, Lopen; he had 4 other users joining him this year but once again was narrow (albeit a 3 vs. 4 this time instead of 5 vs. 6 last year!) The average preference rating of finals participants, if you would believe it, was exactly 8.00. Keep in mind that the overall average in a 1 through 15 ranking is 8 so we hit the exact average (and an improvement over last year's finals average which was an 8.42, which I considered to be "a little below average" but really was uh, way below). Nicely done, everybody. Janus - 2.5 FFDragon - 2.5 VeryInsane - 2.5 Lopen - 3.5 ecksgem - 4 Lea - 4 Maniac64 - 4.5 illuminatusbubu - 5 GMUN - 5.5 v_charon - 5.5 Eddv - 6 Martin - 6 andy - 6 Mewtwo - 7 Drakeryn - 7 mnkboy - 7 pjbasis - 7 Robazoid - 7 Steiner - 7.5 Mzero - 7.5 Moonroof - 7.5 swordz - 7.5 TheArkOfTurus - 7.5 Bane - 8 RaidenGarai - 8 Zigzagoon - 8 BetrayedTangy - 8.5 Inviso - 8.5 Luis_Sera89 - 9 captaincanadian - 9.5 yellowwolley - 9.5 Snake5555555555 - 10 guffguy89 - 10 Fbike - 10 Xuxon - 10.5 StifledSilence - 10.5 linkhatesganon - 10.5 PrinceKaro - 10.5 Denzokuken - 11 TotallyNotMI - 11.5 KommunistKoala - 11.5 Great_Paul - 11.5 Arti - 12.5 tennisboy213 - 12.5 VengefulKaelee - 12.5 Nanis - 14 How about some BONUS STATS!!! All 25 who participated last year participated again this year, so we can see some YOY stats. In addition to this & last year's average finals ratings, I've provided two sets of numbers: one, the percentage point change in your finals preference average since last year; and secondly, adding together your average from both years to see how people are doing cumulatively. The data is sorted on the last ("sum") column ascending; blue indicates a best score, green a worst score.  So we can see Steiner had a marked improvement over his disastrous finals last year but the real YOY winner was VeryInsane, with his average jumping 9 points to 2.5. MZero is the biggest YOY drop, albeit only 4 percentage points, which makes sense considering he tied for the best average last year. In fact, of the 25 who participated last year, only 8 had a lower average this year than last, and 3 of those 8 were the winners from last year. So, gotta say it was a good year. I should also point out yours truly, Martin"True Neutral"FF7, who stayed pat with a 6 rating last year (1 vs. 11) and a 6 rating this year (4 vs. 8). Can't really complain I guess! The big winner appears to be the wonderful Lea who, somehow, has lucked into preferred finals each of the past two years, with a 1 vs. 6 and a 2 vs. 6. Watch out for whoever her #6 most preferred is at the top 15 next year, I guess! And conversely, the combined worst over the past two years was VengefulKaelee; she didn't have the "least preferred" final in either year but collectively, the score of 23.5 (when the maximum possible worst two-year score is 29) is just... really rough. Of the 4 finalists in the last 2 years, not one of them was ranked outside the double digits. Maybe next year's the year!! Thanks again to everybody who participated, I got even more stats coming including COMPATIBILITY STATS but those are gonna take a huge honkin' amount of space so will hold those for later. |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/20/20 9:50:15 PM #162 | I can't speak for everyone else v_charon, but I'm sitting at my computer with an autorefresher on one screen. You know how stupid I am about this. People like that are just going to be sitting at their computer an extra x hours a day if you expand the start window. You're also wrong because there were very few rounds where it mattered who got in early, you see the same names at the end because they're the ones holding to try and snipe. The vast majority of rounds had final hours lasting more than 3 minutes, more than enough time for the discord ping to get through. Timing matters pre-FoG, it matters where H4's available, it matters in the last few days, and it matters for a few rounds in the midgame - more midgame rounds this year than usual because the activity was so ridiculous. But the names in the end are people holding for snipes, that's really just it. I don't agree with Roba about chaos helping, I agree with 24 hours of rounds because there's consistency, and consistency and reliability is all I ever want. But I most agree with Roba about becoming less invested and forcing obsessive people to put more hours into being on alert doesn't sound fun. Though the other solution is obsessive people becoming less obsessive which I certainly want to be, I don't know if I can be though, we'll find out. But in the meantime, I think making things easier helps relax some of that need for obsession? VeryInsane posted... it would end the curse and make us all free The only thing we ever wanted! |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/20/20 9:31:15 PM #150 | honestly all the talk of making things MORE difficult and MORE painful for participants is really discouraging, but if you do 24 hours of rounds then people like me are going to win so, that's fine. I mean not me next year since I'm hoping to be casual and not super obsessive. I'd rather just make things easier and less painful for everybody involved. Less pain, more fun. There are people who are sacrificing for this, don't make it harder on them. Look at what Nanis has to go through every year despite being in an even worse time zone than the Europeans, lol. Plus, set start times or start windows neuters the pre-ping "early crew" since everyone's on a level playing field. Maybe the tradeoff is more predictable results like v_charon says, but you can still have people missing despite a set start time. If they're in a meeting at work or they have an appointment or something, a situation you can't access your phone. SMFAS's pretty reliable start times were great and I don't feel it diminished that contest at all? Though it also had a great winner (and an even better 3rd place...) |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/20/20 9:01:53 PM #130 | Advent Children Tifa sucks so that's a hard pass. Remake Tifa today, Remake Tifa tomorrow, Remake Tifa forever. Edit: I've seen AC before a bunch of times, just not ACC. Sometime soon! VeryInsane posted... The giga thank yous Hahaha fair enough, I still remember illuminatusbubu would have you maining Seymour if Delita went out... ah, what could have been! Then again if Cecil doesn't get dragged past Kefka, Kefka probably makes the endgame run and then we get the much-desired Squall/Kefka finals...? |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/20/20 8:53:08 PM #118 | I mean, what's the "trigger" when you were doing what you were always doing up to that point. Don't tell me you think the Thank You bounties made a difference... |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results and Discussion |
| MartinFF7 10/20/20 8:48:46 PM #116 | VeryInsane posted... Strong disagree on Aerith, I felt before the lawyer she was the favorite this year to win Aerith gets to final 4 instead of Tifa for sure, but I don't think enough people have played Remake to appreciate the character change, and she runs into the same problem Tifa did: Day 97 and 98 belongs to the obsessives (pre-pingers who are simply auto-refreshing to catch rounds, despite whatever certain users think.) Maybe if there's an overwhelming number of H1 savers who show up in that hour, but otherwise lining up the H2 deals and getting in early is more important than anything and I just don't see it outside me and maybe 1 or 2 other people. Could easily get blocked in 3rd place like Garnet was. Though maybe Aerith's survival causes enough butterfly effects to result in an endgame with enough eliminations lining up those people on her side but I still think she loses vs. Squall and some other finalists, though maybe you're right and she could win. Hey, maybe next year! Inviso posted...
I saw you did 2-eliminations-per-round in the early stages of SMW and think that was a good idea tbh. Keep it to 1 elimination per day in boots but then expand it to 2 a day for a stretch of time thereafter. This actually reminds me of something I threw together one time but never posted, trying to tie together SMFFFC to the catholic liturgical calendar: 100 through 76: Easter -Betrayals -Sacrifices -Fallen characters can rise again in 1 or 2 contests 75 through 21: Ordinary Time -filler space between Easter and Christmas -"ordinary" really refers to the ordinal numbering scheme but this is a pretty ordinary part of the contest, all things considered -Most of the liturgical year (2/3), most of the contest 20 through 1: Christmas -best time of the year -finish line/end of suffering is in sight -sometimes get a great gift but usually end up with a lump of coal in the finals |
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| MartinFF7 10/20/20 7:09:31 PM #17 | https://i.imgur.com/3JBOwNi.gif https://i.imgur.com/Iolk8k4.gif
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| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXII FINAL: Squall vs. Delita 2 |
| MartinFF7 10/20/20 7:05:15 PM #251 | Last year took a few minutes, who knows if lefty's still as snappy. Should be soon. I got a fat stack of stats and other interesting info nuggets that I'll try to keep spaced out in the results topic... preference rankings up first but will give room for lefty to dump his own stats. |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXII FINAL: Squall vs. Delita 2 |
| MartinFF7 10/20/20 7:01:13 PM #246 | Oh I meant to come back and make a Delita save at the end to get a thank you, got distracted by work... but I do recall thanks yours for saves that ddn't count so Delita 1 |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXII FINAL: Squall vs. Delita 2 |
| MartinFF7 10/20/20 6:40:29 PM #229 | Squa11 |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXII FINAL: Squall vs. Delita 2 |
| MartinFF7 10/20/20 5:16:48 PM #210 | Leanansidhe posted... Lmao Is any of us the same person we were on July 5? Truly some hurts that have gone too deep since then, that have taken hold... Days 21, 59, 73, 87... Day 97... |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXII FINAL: Squall vs. Delita 2 |
| MartinFF7 10/20/20 2:44:21 PM #187 | Drakeryn posted... I keep wanting to check the board to see if a new round is up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EhcQCyqwdo |
| Topic | Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXII FINAL: Squall vs. Delita 2 |
| MartinFF7 10/20/20 12:45:15 PM #166 | I knew I should've had done all my saving so fast, ah... Commodore really carrying the Squall vote at this point, lol. @FFDragon was just thinking about you and look forward to your triumphant return (not to mention vicariously living through your gluttonous exploits on November 11). In the meantime feeling like Zell here:  |
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