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Well I beat the game. Probably no more except for daily missions until Grand Prix opens up or new content is added. Don't see much incentive to rank grind.



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I'd basically say I got here entirely with Dante. Wesker mostly just treaded water in B ranks. Fun deck but not good enough to win reliably. Dante speed deck was really good against Black Dragon in general. They tend to fill their board up so you can clog them by just repeatedly halting the guy opposite your flying resonate stompy guy. This makes it hard for them to have a strong spike launcher cause they can only play so many cards once their creature slots are locked in. Ryu was actually the real speedbump. Feel like I lost like 75% of matches against him and there were a lot. Epic Lady hard counters Dante amusingly. Wesker was also kinda annoying cause a lot of them had the 6 cost removal which is hard to counterspell.

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Not many changes I'd make. I've noticed a lot of people don't actually run normal Dante but I think he's useful just to more reliably have a dude in your opening hand. He's honestly good enough even though you'd prefer Hsien-Ko or Ibuki, especially if you draw Devil Trigger. Vergil has won me the game a few times too. Sometimes just need a bit of extra chip damage and giving him flight is enough. The random generic 1/5 demon would be just better but screw that. (I still hate it's just better than Vergil). I'd probably put the mind control thing in over one of the Dantes if I had it but yeah deck clicks okay.
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Kicks and kicks and kicks

Not in a main event slot or anything but you know, could be a cool undercard gimmick.
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Funniest thing is my instinct was "I'd like to see RVD vs Low Ki more than the match we got with Low Ki" and looking at the draft it looks like you may have had that in your mind at some point too? Or maybe just coincidence.
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I think even if you like James Storm a lot you could slot him as a single or with Beer Money or with AMW and have something solid regardless so yeah I probably wouldn't prioritize securing AMW, though if you're a much bigger fan of James Storm in that incarnation than his others, yeah it makes sense. (As you said yourself when I properly scrolled down damn mobile browsing)
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Well you did pay for RVD. Bobby Roode dropping that far is surprising though thought at least Eddv liked him. Though first couple of rounds aside it looks like people are just drafting their cards.

I like how Steiner dicked over Scarlet twice potentially even forgetting the bucks stuff. RIP MCMG (not sure if scarlet even wanted that though given ME Chris Sabin)

Round 3 Chris Harris blows my mind most of all though! I'm as surprised as you are about Roode that he has fans
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I appreciated it more than most of the town lists in the game, is all I'm saying. At least the effort was there. The "this guy is town" "why" "cuz" in that game was the worst
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Bobby Roode had a pretty good TNA run. Team Canada was the low point. His singles run was good stuff and Beer Money (which you also could have done to an improvement in that slot, though then you can't have your MERICA gimmick match and what value does Chris Harris have otherwise) was significantly better than AMW and Team Canada too

But yeah ultimately I think if you shuffled your card around a bit you arguably had the best roster to build with. I'm confused how that draft went cause it seems like you had relatively low value on a lot of the guys you had who I think are some of the better options for building TNA cards. Though I'm probably thinking with my TNA hat more than some of you so like RVD and Bobby Roode at their TNA peaks are intuitively guys who make sense pushed in high card slots rather than throwaway openers. Like when Scarlet has Okato I'm certainly not thinking Okada. Granted the guy did get a lot better as time went on so maybe that's the "right" way to think about it. *shrug

Course when I'm one of the only people who comments you're gonna get some weird perceptions too. I doubt Icon's card is nearly as cool to most people for instance.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Other sites dont have players on our level and it shows.

Yeah our players like town lists with no justification or notes more it seems
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Dumbest Dante mirror ever

I sit there because he's sitting there. He's ranked like 20 and I'm A3 so he's either up to something or has no units.
I have Ibuki + Dark Hold so I decide I'm gonna just sit there till 12 seconds left, see if Ibuki can chip him for the win.
I play Ibuki with 12 seconds left. He brainwashes her. I Dark Hold her, he plays a negate on it, I play the half life negate (I lose easily if he lets this through) but he gets greedy and plays the half life negate on my negate

So he's left with 15 life and I just devil trigger and ignore the damage from my Ibuki and win at time over with my 30 life to his 15.

Think I'm the only person still playing this but I'm getting champion dammit. At least this Dante out races these black dragon decks most of the time.
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Not necessarily arguing he should have been cut but as far as footnote status goes he's up there
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Wow who is managing these lists. I'm sure Val Venus had more matches on Spike era TNA than Liger.

You know for the month or two he was there.
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You could have went with Val Venus.
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War's card made me laugh enough that it's at worst top 3

Orlando Jordan vs Rob Terry is a legendary feud and you can't go wrong with Disco.

Hidden gem is Brother Devon is the heavyweight champion.
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Scarlet's card, I'm just not feeling main eventer Chris Sabin vs either contender and Bona Fide or Suicide is the only real match on the card I'd want to see. The stupid VKM tag might be number 2 which says it all. Slotting Booker T in a manager role seems like a waste he could still go in TNA.

Steiner's card has a main event I can get behind, and the Full Metal Mayhem might be good. Gore vs Pounce is funny though probably not as good as it sounds on paper. Rest is kind of a mess.

Iceman has a somewhat solid card but feels like an underperformance for the talent pool. Canada vs Extreme feels like a waste of Bobby Roode in particular but RVD and Raven to a lesser extent. AJ Styles vs Low Ki isn't a main event I wanna see very much either. I'll give it the nod over Steiner cause the commentary team is good at least.

Eddv has strong lovable TNA factor between three stages of bro and the dumb women's match and King of the Mountain-- obviously Daffney is free points for me. Probably my favorite X-Division mish mosh too with the mix of styles rather than just nonstop flippidoos, and King of the Mountain would be one of the more interesting multimans for me. Main event is standard, but standard is good enough to be third best ME of the set.

I want to see every match on Icon's card. Literally every one. Including the dumb three way opener (mostly cause the build sounds great) and the match with Judas Mesias. It may be my favorite card top to bottom you guys have made considering talent pools. I feel Liger in the main event slot is cheating since he was so minor in TNA unless I'm forgetting a part of the FSN/pre FSN era or something, but who cares it's just an awesome card that has a nice variety of styles and new feeling matches on it.

Icon >> Eddv > Iceman >= Steiner > Scarlet
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You should commit to being a Full Throttle impersonator full time
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Not sure I get the reaction

Yes it looks stupid

Yes Cats the musical performed with make up does too

If you asked me what I'd expect with a big budget Hollywood production of Cats to look like that'd be about it
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Tom Bombadil posted...

TOWN Target Bomb Gladiator (Puns)

This is the best role
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Finally got to A5. Decided to just get a few upgrades for my Dante deck after I lucked into Devil Trigger. Made 2 Dark Hold and a third Ibuki and am playing him as a scrub damage racer.

Devil Trigger is actually kinda useful. It's won me some games. Ebony and Ivory require too much AP for how the deck plays now so some extra life is nice especially since I've been burning so much of it with the 2 cost pay half your life counterspell.
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Icon's show is probably the only one I'd buy so far. Just a lot of fresh stuff on there. Eddv's has the dubious honor of feeling the most TNA-like of the cards so far.

Mentally as a challenge I'm trying to think of Steiner even has left to work with. Kurt Angle, Bobby Lashley, Alex Shelley, Mickie James jump out. D-Von? Kevin Nash? Ric Flair? Dr. Stevie? Velvet Sky?
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I am disappointed that Black Reign and Suicide will not be seen directly

At least there's a Suicide related stipulation

Also I'm pretty sure Taryn Terrell and at least Mia Yim are from the post Spike era?
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Jenna Morasca vs Awesome Kong for the knockouts title
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Dude

I am not saying Dirge of Cerberus is not a FF game. The "herp it has Final Fantasy in the title" stuff is completely missing the point.

I am saying Vagrant Story is more akin to a hypothetical Dirge of Cerberus that has no FF characters or name than a mainline FF game. It has very little of the FF feel. Bravely Default has the FF feel, and it's more than just the idea that it's turn based RPG combat. It's reuse of FF classes, heavy use of crystals as important, spell names, summons, etc. FFXII and FFT have the FF feel too in that regard.

Like if you wanna say it doesn't that's your opinion but it's a lot more than "turn based RPG" like you're dumbing it down to.
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Was on the fence for other one

In for this one
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greengravy294 posted...

Bravely default and Ashley riot being in but not Dark Nation is a travesty

Dark Nation Nation is crying

I actually agree with this though. DQing Dark Nation was always more dodgy than DQing Bravely characters.
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I think FF2 and FF4 have some support among the fandom for being in the same world cause like Ricard is supposed to be Kain's ancestor or something and some stupid light references in After Years (I thinm?). It's forced though and I disagree with it. I just figured I'd account for a lot of those just in case.

v_charon posted...

... I mean, that's a pretty bad argument there. "Imagine Dirge of Cerberus, but pretend a playable character from VII wasn't the main character".

Even if Vincent, Yuffie, Reeve and Cait Sith weren't in the game (and DoC didn't literally have Final Fantasy in the title of the game), yes it'd be better than BD still.

The point is that token lip service to being in the same world as a game from the series isn't worth much. Most would not argue a hypothetical Dirge that had none of those things and no Final Fantasy in the name was a FF game. Bravely on the other hand has a very similar feel to FF games in the presentation, the recurring themes, etc etc that Vagrant Story doesn't so much.

Keep in mind I'm NOT arguing Dirge is not a FF game as it seems you were running with there.
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I mean say Dirge of Cerberus had no Final Fantasy VII characters or notable references in it but was in the same world as FFVII as it is, would that have a better argument too? I feel like Bravely feels like a FF game more than Vagrant Story does.

That being said the one good Bravely character is booted so I wouldn't exactly mourn its passing at this point!
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v_charon posted...

Vagrant Story at least takes places in an established Final Fantasy world that's been explored by both mainline and spinoff games.

Yeah cause so many Final Fantasy games share their worlds

That's always the argument I've understood least. In 15 mainline Final Fantasies there are over 10 worlds. And I'm probably being very conservative there.
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Bravely Default shares enough tropes with FF that they'd absolutely be eating a lawsuit if it was made by some indie company or something. Particularly with stuff like Red Mage which as far as I know is only really a Final Fantasy 'job class' and not something that exists in your standard dungeons and dragons type stuff.
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Royal Rumble 2017 or 2016 is when I noticed all their big multimans have everyone laying down while the newest guy comes in and does spots with everyone, repeat repeat repeat

Now I can't unsee it. Even in smaller scale stuff like Elimination Chambers.
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Eh plot relevance or irrelevance was never the reason he was kept out though and is kinda slippery slope to start heading down cause I could put an argument for how little relevance Angelo has in FF8 for instance.

That's just generally what gives characters a following. Dark Nation is a unique boss monster in FFVII and it has a following. It'd be like saying Tiamat from FF1 can't be in cause there are generic Tiamat enemies in FFT
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WWE match style is part of it too, not just the booking and presentation

Like even if WWE got like... Okada or something, Okada going through a flowchart of his signature moves is gonna be hamstrung too. Some guys can do it and maybe Okada would be one-- I think AJ Styles has generally been pretty good at making most of his matches not feel like a formula for example, but most wrestlers, even very good ones like Daniel Bryan end up with most of their matches feeling like going through the motions. Doesn't mean they can't have the rare great match but it's much more rare than it should be.
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I used to use it to communicate with some people in Europe and Africa I played an online game with. Haven't in a long time.
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MartinFF7 posted...

Unique character... in the original FF7 game!

If X-ATM092 became a generic enemy in FF16 or something, would that mean it can no longer be in representing his original, unique FF8 appearance? Likewise Dark Nation isn't a generic enemy in FF7, even if a generic one in other games.

(just to be clear, I don't care and would rather greengravy save Elena instead, lol)

I think this is a good argument for including Dark Nation btw

Crisis Core Dark Nations can't even cast protect and shell and stuff
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Princess Bride

Still don't really agree Simpsons is very quotable. Star Wars was robbed

It has jokes people remember by pure number of episodes, but wouldn't call them particularly quotable jokes aside from "dental plan" fad posts.
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Crisis Core dark nations are clones of the real Dark Nation

FFVII loves clones
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Think rares and epics are probably better to craft, but I'd just make do what you have then craft things to buff up a deck that clicks with you.

Thinking black dragon spike launch needs a nerf quick. This is getting worse than Smash Bros Brawl here. My stupid Wesker deck is actually decent against it cause the hp pools are crazy high but yeah, the repetition is bugging me.
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3/4 of the stunners Owens delivered were botched tonight. 2/3 of those botches were by Shane McMahon though so we'll see I guess.
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He was a good dog.

Way better than Interceptor or Angelo.
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Sol is actually really strong too. He does a ton of damage that scales off max HP and his anti-buff thing is nice. But yeah Dizzy is definitely OP. My friend, who told me about the Guilty Gear thing, has been playing the game like 3x as long as me and I'm further in progression because of Dizzy. I mean he's also a bit more casual than I am with stuff like this so that's part of it but yeah.

My other 5*s have been Ravi, 2x Iseria, Aramintha, and Ken so I haven't exactly got a ton either. I also got a Charlotte I used as promotion fodder because I didn't see myself ever using her for anything and I didn't like the character. I actually drew 3 Dizzy though cause I wanted to max her soul merge thing so my luck hasn't been that bad or anything.

Been mostly going through the game with Sol Dizzy Clarissa (best character) and Rin as my healer. They're all 6* except Rin who I haven't upgraded cause I'm hoping to draw a better healer at some point.
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