Lurker > Lopen

Enchantress posted...

What's the scum benefit in this line?

To not have to battle me saying you look weird supporting NL and instead I have to look like I am countervoting you

I think if my reads are bad Lea probably buddies up to me and lets me run over town

Most of your scum is probably in some combination of

Lea
Ulti
Ctes
Corrik
Chang

UltimaterializerX posted...

Uh.

She voted first, I believe? How is that her counter voting you?

I voted her yesterday

Enchantress posted...

How exactly did I catch you out of position? As far as I can tell you didn't say you were too busy to post tonight or anything. Odd counter vote tbh

I did say I was busy

And you caught me out of position by feigning afk/goading votes until I thought you were town, then countervoting me

##Vote: Lea

Good with countervoting here

I'm thinking Lea is probably scum who caught me out of position which throws off the calculations on Ctes actually

##Unvote:

I'm too busy to acknowledge. We can battle tomorrow if you want.

This is not a Lea vs FD lynch

Chang x IGCD as theatre works if and only if Corrik is not on their team

Corrik shooting IGCD right off is really the only reason it looks weird

Oh wait yeah

Corrik and Chang can't both be scum I said this earlier

Thanks for keeping me in line pal

Thinking scumteam is Corrik Ulti Chang Ctes atm

Obellisk posted...

I hate all of that. And i wish I had the answer.

The Claw might be all powerful, but it is not all knowing.

Fd - Town with bad stratz
Kirby - Town with bad stratz or scum
Lea - Town trolling
Mzero - scum or stubborn town
Ulti - Probably scum
Corrik - Probably scum
Ben - Hasn't come back yet, think he moves
Itz Knightz - RNG or scum

##Vote: Chang

Choo choo part 2

##Vote: Corrik

Choo choo

I don't really want an Ulti lynch but it's a better lynch than FD (and marginally better than no lynch)

Really think ctes is the only lynch with any support that is likely to hit scum atm

Then again it's Ulti

Frankly whether Corrik and Ctes are scum is irrelevant and that just looks bad in a vacuum with respect to consistency

I'll note Ulti previously announced suspicion of ctes and Corrik and is ignoring an attempt to push the former and is joining a lynch pushed by the latter

htaeD posted...

Lopen do you think Mzero dares to make this move as scum? Start a lynch and then peace out?
My own opinion may be obvious, but still

He could plausibly do so but note I am not voting mzero and am trying to reason with him (since I know as town mzero is super stubborn)

I completely buy the "tax day" excuse for lack of spreadsheets for the record

Mzero do you have any other lynches you'll accept that aren't FD

MZero posted...

I mean using math and stuff to decide the "optimal" and safe course of action instead of actually scumhunting

Isn't this literally what his spreadsheets are

MZero posted...

Either way anyone can say that, someone find proof of him doing it as town

Doing what as town? We had one date game how could we.

htaeD posted...

While I appreciate that Mzero has a drive now, I do want to know what eveven was the suboptimal FD strategy he is referring too.
I am asking as the guy who died night1 and wants to check that game again

I said FD was encouraging a passive date scheme to allow scum to run over town with ease

FD insisted post-game he was doing what he would have done as town and just happened to be scum

Did Mzero tune out of this discussion or is her purposely misrepresenting the situation to get votes on FD

Forceful_Dragon posted...

He could also be overzealous town dayvig, but then he would just be laying low and "see you day 2"ing. It's definitely a different kind of vibe from corrik.

Exactly

Ulit having zero apprehension over a Corrik he opened game suspecting is noted

Forceful_Dragon posted...

But if you're lynching me to try to find scum yourself then you are doing it wrong.

He is scum

Yeah I don't think pushing NL is out of character for FD or Kirby (moreso FD)

Notably to defeat MZero's argument FD vehemently denied he was manipulating town as scum in valentine's mafia and claimed it was a good strategy

I feel like Mzero was paying attention to this discussion too.

Obellisk posted...

poorly assessed how it would be received, can't back out now.

FD had played long enough here to know this isn't NL Country

He's also being active while not actually trying to solve just rationalizing hating NL people

No attempt to find scum just attempts to give him an excuse to path shots

MZero posted...

Corrik was a log last game as scum

He's been a log as both alignments but being active before he absolutely has to is pretty much scum exclusive

Corrik7 posted...

I've been vig one other time. I shot the SK in the first 20 posts of the game. And was very active that game. So, tell me where your nonsense of I would do so and so or whatever you are babbling comes from.

I was the Green Arrow that game.

You're almost never active as town.

You're usually more active as anti-town.

Don't care about vig game specifically unless you had infinite shots

htaeD posted...

I am not sure who this is about but it certainly cant be me

Ctes

I mean I can't be the only one seeing this

Town Corrik
- Doesn't care to post this much if he can just kill things (or in general, really)
- Would actually try to hit scum not "anti-town"

It all just feels like a convenient excuse to railroad his shots the next 3 days and get no suspicions for it

Corrik7 posted...

Then you should be voting me if I am only scum or sk.

I'm more sure ctes is scum than you're either but if it comes down to you vs anything that isn't ctes I'd likely go for it.

MZero posted...

Lea is one of the most active players, so inactivity is cause for concern. I am inactive as either alignment most of the time, so it's nothing out of the oridnary

Lea is significantly more active than this as scum as well

With this level of inactivity it's actually not alignment indicative and I'm not saying you're necessarily scum but you're an easier mislynch than she is

Corrik7 posted...

You have no reason to have that thinking.

Your anti-NL feels like a show to path a bunch of shots and have no accountability for it.

You're also talking way more than I'd expect you to if you could just kill at your leisure.

I don't trust you at all. You're scum at worst SK at best I think.

Ctes is the best lynch though

You don't say "I wanna lynch a lurker" and go at Lea before Mzero without an antitown agenda

I'd sooner vote you than Kirby

I'd also sooner NL than Kirby

Kirby is a hard no from me

Ctes or Death pretty much it atm

changmas posted...

let cooler heads prevail, etc etc

You've been off my lynch list for a while now so welcome to actually playing mafia cohesively, a glorious era awaits us

Obellisk posted...

Lopen, I'd be insulted if I wasn't on an early day one scum team build.

You have been more forward than the others to your credit. I wouldn't lynch you today.

Ctes I would
Death I would
Kirby I actually would consider because "avoidance of mzero is noted"

My "trace Lea suspicion" scumteam has Ctes Death Sbell on it.

I feel like at least two out of three of those are scum. Leaning Ctes + Death as scum. Death was showing suspicion of Ctes a bit then pivoted hard from it.

Avoidance of mzero in favor of Lea and then red is noted. The obvious conclusion is mzero is scum but mzero being an easier mislynch later is also possible.

I have never pushed for a Ctes mislynch in my life aside from that time he watched me and I was insane psychic (and notably I didn't suspect him that game until he contradicted my psychic result)

I dunno what you're selling Kirby. Is it based on anything at all?

Lea is one of the most active players on the board historically, I think she has earned that goodwill.

You also should be out to find scum not punish people for lurking. Vultures clearly circling Lea. Likely town.

htaeD posted...

I will also state that you at least deserve patience more than someone like Lea tbh.

Putting them in the same bucket feels at odds with your previous thoughts on ctes

Going to be busy today. Won't be here to tunnel Ctes all day. I hope someone else will do it.

Sounds like a job for Knightz. Assume Ctes is mafia and find every bit of evidence to drive him into the ground you can do it. (Any volunteers welcome)

Also while you gave a heartfelt rant there I feel this is the worst game to play this defense on.

Activity has been very low. You're saying you're doing the best you can and can't keep up due to timezones.

I'm saying I don't buy it because it's easy to keep up with this game.

Sorry Ctes my vote stays on you and I also veto the Lea lynch (to the extent I can-- I'm not Ulti here). My apologies if you're town I meant no offense calling you "worse than inactive"-- you're one of the best players here.

She's the only lurker you mentioned as a good place to start. Your vote was not placed but it is fairly clear that's where you were going

I can't imagine if your main platform is "lynch an inactive" that Lea is your #1 priority unless you're scum who wants Lea off the board