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I'd say no. Compare to Ike who explicitly has an Elixir, or Serra who can bring Vulneraries.
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FFDragon posted...

Chrom doesn't have any healing items does he?

Exalted Falchion can self-heal. Otherwise...I think no?
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FFDragon posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

It's hard to be a fanboy of a character whose game you've never played

'oh dear'

Though I am coming in here to ask if Diablo can punch through a booted Damus in time before backup arrives, even with a head start.

My personal take is no cause I mean, take whatever version of Samus you think is strongest (doesn't have to be Corruption Samus if you think Hyperbeam Samus from Super Metroid is better or whatever). How much damage do you see her dishing out to Damus in that timeframe? How powerful does Lightning Breath have to be in comparison to go from whatever Samus can do in five seconds against Damus to killing her outright? It's a lot to ask, TBQH.
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Lopen posted...

Dark Samus fanboy basically then got it

It's hard to be a fanboy of a character whose game you've never played. I just have very good respect for 'only dies to supermode Samus after a protracted slugfest'. I respect surviving getting shot by Corruption Samus for even a minute way more highly than eating an Ultima or three, so yeah.

(Also, there's, y'know, Dizzy here if you don't respect Damus and Raiden and Lightning. Diablo has little in the way of counters to her using her ballin aerial mobility to kite him around.)
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Mewtwo59 posted...

So what's the range on Red Lightning Hose? Because this place is deceptively big. Here's a map of it: https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/2/2f/FE13_Chapter_4.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120705171804

Chrom and Lucina start pretty far away from each other, and if they start at the entrances, they're even further away than that. Is it one of those things that keeps going until it hits something, or does it only have a set range?

Ten meters if I had to guess?

https://youtu.be/XoPMer9HL6A?t=336

It's also pretty short-lasting.
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Bringing this over from the other topic...

Lopen posted...

I don't think saying a merc jobs to one Lightning Hose for 4 seconds is disrespect at all btw. I mean let's put it in Final Fantasy terms. How many casts of say Ultima from a high level mage are any of these clowns gonna tank? Because I think that's what Lightning Hose's damage output should be on the level of in spell terms if you're just standing in it completely immobile.

Like I said the reason Diablo is kinda dubious in a fight is because his stuff can all be dodged really easily. Against stunned opponents he excels tremendously.

Yes, I'd easily take Dark Samus to tank a ton of ultimas. Like...at least a dozen, minimum, and probably higher. Raiden probably less (maybe half of whatever Damus gets?), and Lightning around the same as Raiden. My durability respect for these mercs is very high. Like really high.


ScareChan posted...

Double as in SoB + HotS

This adds up to 7 seconds, though. Not 9. It's literally impossible for Diablo to stun dudes for nine seconds no matter how you slice this one.
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@MajinZidane
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Chrom is as seen in Fire Emblem Awakening, as a level 20 Great Lord. He is equipped with the Exalted Falchion, Noble Rapier, Blessed Lance, and Gradivus and has the skills Dual Strike+, Dual Guard+, Aether, Aegis, and Rightful King.

Diablo is as he appears in Diablo 3 and Heroes of the Storm, with all of his attacks and abilities, although he cannot turn into his shadow form.

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Dark Samus, Raiden, Lightning, Morrigan, Poison and Dizzy have challenged Diablo and Chrom to a fight! Location of the fight: Arena Ferox (Awakening) - Arena Ferox is as it appears in Fire Emblem Awakening, as an open colosseum. The only areas accessible in it are those within the map in-game. Both attackers and defenders will start at diametrically opposed entrances. Night has fallen on the terrain. Dark Samus and Diablo will benefit from a 25% parameter boost.. Which side will win?

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Diablo has unleashed his Apocalypse attack! All enemies except Poison and Dizzy will be damaged and stunned for the first five seconds of battle.

Morrigan is as seen in Dragon Age: Origins and Inquisition (though she has not drank from the Well of Sorrows), with typical endgame equipment and 3 Lyrium Potions. She has mastered all the spells of the Lightning, Cold, Shapeshifter, Enhancement, Hexes, Anti-Magic, Spirit Healer and Healing spell trees, and Mind Blast. She will be incapable of being buffed for the duration of this battle.

Poison is as she appears in Ultra Street Fighter IV and Final Fight Revenge, with access to all her super moves, provided she builds up the meter to use them. She will arrive to battle 30 seconds late along with Dizzy.

Lightning is as she appears in the endgame of Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, with a schemata set-up featuring a balance of her strongest physical, magical and debuffing skills and equipment, and with limited use of Curaga.

Dark Samus is as she appears in her boss fight in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, although she cannot turn invincible, turn incorporeal or heal off of phazon.

Dizzy is as she appears in the Guilty Gear series, at the height of her powers, with access to all her moves other than gameplay mechanics, and she will not self destruct upon defeat. She will refuse to attack anyone unless attacked first. She will follow Poison's lead in battle regardless of her personality, and will arrive to battle 30 seconds late alongside her.

Raiden is as seen in Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance with access to all of his weapons (save the Fox Blade) and upgrades available in that game. He doesn't require Zandatsu to recover. He has access to roughly one full bar of energy for Blade Mode and Ripper Mode. He has no mysterious lightning powers here, either.
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ScareChan posted...

RLH isnt his only option he has that giant meteor thing too

but I personally dont know which does more damage. And my point with double apocalypse is it turns 5 seconds into 7 seconds, or 9 seconds if he doubles up, so that is extra damage andstill getting a RLH/Meteor off

What double apocalypse

Apocalypse can only be used once, Scare. It's an ultimate ability with a long fuckin CD (as is Lightning Breath, but we'll gloss over that one since he can spam it in D3). Moreover, Lightning Breath is a Channeled ability, meaning if Diablo is doing lightning breaths he has to stop doing the move to cast Apocalypse (3 seconds in, because it has about 2 seconds of chargeup time). And Lightning Breath itself has a charge time (about a second). Like...I just don't get this argument. It's a severe amount of durability disrespect on some very very tanky mercs, for real.
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ScareChan posted...

He gets the headsteard and he is boosted,then he has another 25 seconds before reinforcements come. The match is not done in 5 seconds, but in those 5 seconds a ton of shit goes down

By all means, but I think Damus and Raiden ginsu Diablo even if you take out Dizzy. Probably not in 25 seconds because he himself is tanky, but they beat him comfortably nonetheless.
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Lopen posted...

I actually respect Kuja to hold up better than Dark Samus and possibly even Raiden here, given Diablo's heavy hitting stuff is magic based. Lightning may in fact be the best equipped to not get wrecked immediately.

Depending on how you parse it, Diablo's RLH is potentially a physical attack (it dealt Physical damage in D2, for example). It's not that intuitive whether it's magic or not.
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Basically the thing is this: Every mercenary has a certain amount of beef to them - if you shot a random 3/week with a gun they probably die, if you shoot a random 6/week the same way they probably don't fold. My durability respect for Damus is pretty well known, and Raiden isn't that far behind her. Is there a reason I shouldn't be able to say 'you can't sell me on them being squish' if I don't think they are?
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Lopen posted...

Well it's not 5 seconds, it's 5 seconds against helpless opponents, against a dude who excels at moves that are very telegraphed but very high damage. This match isn't very obvious imo.

Yes, but it's against unbelievably tanky helpless opponents. Like if this was against IDK, Revan/Kuja/The President I would probably agree that Diablo wreaks havoc, but these dudes are just too beefy. Under no circumstances do I see Damus and Raiden dying in five seconds, ever.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Frankly, I think it's kinda dumb that the writeup was messed up enough that it should almost be redone, but instead of actually redoing it, the admin just votes against you and says he doesn't care about your arguments.

This mercs has seemed pretty dumpster fire-esque, though, so I'm not surprised.

I have no issues redoing the topic if necessary, but really...when you're trying to sell me on a character soloing in five seconds, against some of the tankiest mercs in the game, my tolerance for humoring arguments is kinda low. There isn't a merc I would take to kill everyone on Boko's team in five seconds (maaaaaybe Weltall Id? Maybe? But probably not even though he'd certainly win). Why should I listen to arguments that completely discount what the enemy team can do? Am I not allowed to think a set of arguments is trash?
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ScareChan posted...

Diablo has his paramter boosts and can stun lock though, he can stack in game apocalypse as well here

If he's using apocalypse he is interrupting red lightning hose...and honestly I just don't care. Let's just remember that Damus tanks getting shot at to the face by Samus for a long-ass fuckin time, that Raiden gets punched like a hundred times by Armstrong and then gets up and beats him, and that Lightning fights and defeats the broken-ass Caius Ballad. There simply isn't enough time, Scare, and anybody who thinks so is severely buying into Diablo overhype to me. Sorry!
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Team Damus. Let's go over the facts.

-Damus is tanky.
-Raiden is tanky.
-Lightning is decently tanky too.

Count to 5. That's how much time Diablo has to inflict damage. Red Lightning Hose is a line. Do you think Damus, Raiden and Lightning die in about one second each? That's the time Diablo has to fry them before they start fighting back, assuming he's trying to dispatch everyone. I give the three of them way more durability respect than that, so yeah...this match isn't close at all to me.
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Ellie solos
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There's no error. Poison only needs her upgrade to control berserked clients. Think Majora's Mask being applied to someone, not Dizzy's passive.
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ScareChan posted...

well then what happens when poison dies out the gate

Dizzy can still participate in battle, she just can't attack until she takes damage.
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Even then the passive is active, its not high teir, the mind control should not override the passive

But it does. So yeah, Dizzy can attack on Poison's orders if needed.
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ScareChan posted...

and moreso if we win within 30 seconds the fight is over anyways

It's not. The fight doesn't end until all enemy combatants are dead.
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Scare is correct. It is currently night inside the terrain. Damus and Diablo will each benefit from a 25% boost to all parameters. Morrigan will also be incapable of being buffed for the duration of today's battle.
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Lopen posted...

@KanzarisKelshen the write-up for Bass has a few errors

1. His params are only at 150% due to the Triforce of Courage (though the double buffs crank it to at least a doubling anyway)
2. He doesn't have his THE STRONGEST buff on.

Missed the latter and I actually just pre-doubled the former due to a brainfart on my part. It should be just 50% at base since people can infer it's doubled from there, yeah.
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Kefka has given Bass and Yu upset stomachs. Whilst they'll start the fight doubled over with gastrointestinal discomfort, it will subside as time goes by.

Yu Narukami (MC) is as he appears in Persona 4. He has the persona Izanagi available, with all default skills from P4 learned in addition to all the moves from Persona 4 Arena, with the exception of his mortal blow or gameplay mechanics (invincibility frames, etc). He also can freely switch to his persona Isis, who only has their natural non-passive skills and elemental affinities.

Bass.EXE is as he appears in the Megaman Battle Network series, with access to all the moves and properties of his Omega, XX, and BX forms (including Bass Omega GS, and both Gregar and Falzar), though if any of his barriers/auras is destroyed, he loses access to all of them for the rest of the fight. He can operate here same as he does on the Net. He has also inhaled Lilith from Borderlands 2, gaining a set of moves fitting her. Whenever Bass.EXE receives a buff any parameters of it (i. e. duration, potency) are doubled. He has also inhaled Link from Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask, gaining a set of moves fitting him. Thanks to the Triforce of Courage, his parameters have been increased by 50%. He may freely switch to his persona Kohryu, as it appears in Persona 4, who only has their natural non-passive skills and elemental affinities. Samarecarm is not available. When he dies, he will become invincible and double his parameters for 15 seconds after death, before dying permanently.

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Eleonora Yumizuru, Agnes Oblige and Kefka have challenged Yu Narukami and Bass.EXE to a fight! Location of the fight: The Undernet - The Undernet is as it appears in Megaman Battle Network 2, with all the regular inhabitants cleared out and everything unlocked. It is a long series of floating walkways and platforms. Access to any other area is not allowed. Attackers will start at the entrance to Area 1, with defenders starting in the depths of Area 7.. Which side will win?

Guidelines

- The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.
- The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of a pre-selected plan of battle.
- "Broken" refers to a lot of things, including insta-death, auto-effects, a variety of status effects (e.g., Imp, Silence, Stop, *not* Poison), and revival. Unless stated otherwise, nobody has them, though do use your own discretion.
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Agnès Oblige is as she appears in Bravely Default, in the White Mage job with access to all of its support skills (even if slots do not permit, though she does not necessarily have to use all of them) and its specialty. She has her best non-broken equipment and the additional skillset of a Time Mage and Performer, though she has no access to Time Slip, Hasten World, Slow World, Teleport, Gravity chain, Stop, Reraise, Arise or Conservation of Life. She may freely Brave and Default in battle, as well as Raise, but may not use Bravely Second.

Ellie is as she appears in the endgame of Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE, equipped with the Pinaka and a Godly Emblem, with all Radiant skills other than Endless Act and Endless Song, and no Extra skills. Virion is an Assassin with the Command skills Grand Tack, Myriad Arrows, Thunder Strike, Inferno Strike, Overload, Power Charge and Stealth, as well as the Passive skills Bow Expertise EX, Elec Expertise, Fire Expertise, Absorb Elec, Shura's Soul, Dodge Feather and Pierce.

Kefka is as he appears in FF6A in the last battle, having access to all attacks and skills from the fight aside from Trine and Heartless Angel. He additionally has all his Brave and HP attacks from Dissidia: Final Fantasy, as well as the Exhilarating Magic skill.
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trdl23 posted...

Where's the freak breach

What Dante said. Upgraded = no breach.
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Chrom is as seen in Fire Emblem Awakening, as a level 20 Great Lord. He is equipped with the Exalted Falchion, Noble Rapier, Blessed Lance, and Gradivus and has the skills Dual Strike+, Dual Guard+, Aether, Aegis, and Rightful King.

Diablo is as he appears in Diablo 3 and Heroes of the Storm, with all of his attacks and abilities, although he cannot turn into his shadow form.

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Dark Samus, Raiden, Lightning, Morrigan, Poison and Dizzy have challenged Diablo and Chrom to a fight! Location of the fight: Arena Ferox (Awakening) - Arena Ferox is as it appears in Fire Emblem Awakening, as an open colosseum. The only areas accessible in it are those within the map in-game. Both attackers and defenders will start at diametrically opposed entrances.. Which side will win?

Guidelines

- The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.
- The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of a pre-selected plan of battle.
- "Broken" refers to a lot of things, including insta-death, auto-effects, a variety of status effects (e.g., Imp, Silence, Stop, *not* Poison), and revival. Unless stated otherwise, nobody has them, though do use your own discretion.
- There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.

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Diablo has unleashed his Apocalypse attack! All enemies except Poison and Dizzy will be damaged and stunned for the first five seconds of battle.

Morrigan is as seen in Dragon Age: Origins and Inquisition (though she has not drank from the Well of Sorrows), with typical endgame equipment and 3 Lyrium Potions. She has mastered all the spells of the Lightning, Cold, Shapeshifter, Enhancement, Hexes, Anti-Magic, Spirit Healer and Healing spell trees, and Mind Blast.

Poison is as she appears in Ultra Street Fighter IV and Final Fight Revenge, with access to all her super moves, provided she builds up the meter to use them. She will arrive to battle 30 seconds late along with Dizzy.

Lightning is as she appears in the endgame of Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, with a schemata set-up featuring a balance of her strongest physical, magical and debuffing skills and equipment, and with limited use of Curaga.

Dark Samus is as she appears in her boss fight in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, although she cannot turn invincible, turn incorporeal or heal off of phazon.

Dizzy is as she appears in the Guilty Gear series, at the height of her powers, with access to all her moves other than gameplay mechanics, and she will not self destruct upon defeat. She will follow Poison's lead in battle regardless of her personality, and will arrive to battle 30 seconds late alongside her.

Raiden is as seen in Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance with access to all of his weapons (save the Fox Blade) and upgrades available in that game. He doesn't require Zandatsu to recover. He has access to roughly one full bar of energy for Blade Mode and Ripper Mode. He has no mysterious lightning powers here, either.
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Johnbobb's argument:

Kirby has invited all of his friends for a party at his home world. They may look mean and scary, but Dreamland brings out the best in everyone. So instead of fighting, Kirby is gathering his enemies to be his bestest best friends, so they can all eat and party together in the clouds. Nobody can hate Kirby, the most lovable being in all of Dreamland. Dante may take a bit of convincing, but in the end, everyone will gather together happily, and have fun, and relax in the happiest place in the universe.

And once everyone is calm and happy and least expecting it, KIRBY SHALL SEND THEM ALL PLUMMETING TO THEIR DEATHS AND SHALL LAUGH HEARTILY AS HE WATCHES THE JOY AND INNOCENCE VANISH FROM THEIR FACES AS THEY ACCEPT THEIR ULTIMATE DEMISE.


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Dante is as he appears in Devil May Cry 4, though he does not have his canon regen. He also has all of his weapons from Devil May Cry 3. He may access Devil Trigger, Quicksilver Style, and Doppelganger Style for up to 10 seconds each, every 5 minutes, and he may overlap their durations. He does not have access to Kalina Ann or Yamato.All of his weapons have been enchanted with divine power.

The Agents are how they appear in Crackdown 2, with maxed out stats. They have all of their weapons from Crackdown 2, and have brought the Agency Tank with them. There are two agents acting together as a team.

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Kirby is as seen in the Kirby Super Star and Smash series. He has full use of his Smash Brothers Moveset along with the moves from his Fire, Ice and Ninja forms. (He has also inhaled Archer, gaining a set of moves fitting him). He cannot inhale enemy fighters nor create helpers from his abilities during the match, but can inhale anything else and will not lose access to his forms due to taking damage. He may use Barrier, as seen on Pokemon X & Y.

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Dante, The Agents, Sorey, Shulk, Eleonora Yumizuru and the Four Seraphim have challenged Kirby to a fight! Location of the fight: Bubbly Clouds - Fighters battle in the sky on thick clouds that are for some reason able to support weight, as seen in Kirby's Dreamland. The clouds are dense enough that jumping from cloud to cloud is reasonable, and many are large enough to hold several fighters per cloud, but missing a jump causes a fall of thousands of feet to the ground. The clouds extend infinitely into the distance, separated by varying distances between each other, and are destructible with a concerted effort. Attackers and defenders will start the fight separated 150 meters from each other.. Which side will win?

Guidelines

- The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.
- The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of a pre-selected plan of battle.
- "Broken" refers to a lot of things, including insta-death, auto-effects, a variety of status effects (e.g., Imp, Silence, Stop, *not* Poison), and revival. Unless stated otherwise, nobody has them, though do use your own discretion.
- There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.

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Ellie is as she appears in the endgame of Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE, equipped with the Pinaka and a Godly Emblem, with all Radiant skills other than Endless Act and Endless Song, and no Extra skills. Virion is an Assassin with the Command skills Grand Tack, Myriad Arrows, Thunder Strike, Inferno Strike, Overload, Power Charge and Stealth, as well as the Passive skills Bow Expertise EX, Elec Expertise, Fire Expertise, Absorb Elec, Shura's Soul, Dodge Feather and Pierce.

Sorey is as he appears in Tales of Zestiria, with all orbs and talismans (though they buff only himself and his seraphim) and an endgame skill build. He enters the battle with 5 Blast Gauges. He does not have access to Siegfried. He will begin the battle armatized with Terra Branford. She was as she appeared in Dissidia and at the end of FF6A, equipped with full Genji armour, Apocalypse, a Hero Ring, and a Gold Hairpin. She had all her natural magic, as well as those gained from Unicorn and Bahamut, including Raise. She did not, however, have Arise, Teleport, Break, Graviga, or Meltdown. She could only enter Trance form at any time for 30 seconds (which also granted her access to EX mode), although it would go on cooldown for 2 minutes upon ending.

Lailah, Mikleo, Edna and Dezel are accompanying Sorey into battle. They are as they appear in Tales of Zestiria, with an endgame skill build. They will enter battle with 5 Blast Gauges, and will be permanently invisible and inaudible to Ellie and the Agents. Only one Seraph may be on the battlefield at a time, with Lailah beginning on the battlefield, and the others dwelling inside him. He may swap between them as seen in the game, and inactive seraphim will heal gradually over time, including from death, but they are considered defeated once Sorey is killed.
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"Please endure for just a little while longer, Lisa. The amusement park is close by. I believe you shall not be lonely there. After all, you visited the place on several occasions with Theresia, did you not?"

And in the sky, another Swastika appears. Trifa's stigmata tear open. Half the necessary work to bring back Mephistopheles...is done. That's it for this chapter.

Chapter 7 — END.

Stopping here for now. I believe this concludes the common route. It's time to properly enter the Kasumi route. Teaser for the next time:

"That day marked quite possibly one of the worst mornings in Kasumi's life."
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"You...you and Lord Heydrich..."

"He does not mind our sort of imprudence. His Excellency the Vice Commander is the same, so please stop measuring them with your own ruler. It is just as foolish as it is meaningless. If it comes to those two, they will declare everything pointless, and that will be the end of it."

"But—"

"Listen to me, Lisa. You do not have to pay heed to Lord Schreiber and Lord Machina. One of them is a slave to his own egotism, and the other is not capable of thought to begin with. The top of the Obsidian Round Table is not exactly carefully ordained. Well, I suppose Lady Samiel alone would be a mite troubling, but fortunately—"

"..."

"Even in the off-chance she were to depart for battle, I have found a good bargaining chip. Though it is likely I will not be needing it, given the way things are proceeding."

A spray of blood. Lisa, makes choked, pained noises, as the Father punches through her chest, grabs her heart, and pierces through her back, all in one fell swoop.

"Wh-why...me...?"

"Consider it a mercy, Lisa. To be honest, it is because you would just get in my way, but that does not change the fact it is an act of mercy. It would be best...that you did not know of the future that is to come."

I fear for Rea now. What does Kristoff have in mind for her? That's the only thing I can see Lisa really opposing him on.

"Valeria...Rea...make sure she..."

"I swear that I will save her."

If there's one thing he can probably trusted on, it's this. I have no idea what kind of game Kristoff Lohengrinn is playing at just yet, but he's not going to sacrifice Rea as a part of it.

"I will not let her use the Ark of the Covenant. And I will ensure t hat both your wisha nd mine I granted, I swear to God."

"It can't be..."

But that's contradictory in Lisa's eyes, impossible. How?

"I can. It is possible. You and I are birds of a feather, but ther eis one definitive aspect we differ in. We deluded, worried, swayed with the tremors, and found ourselves assailed by an intense craving. But in spite of that...I am one to act. Every time I lose, I take it back. But once I get it back, it is taken from me once again. Whether it is unproductive or a paradox, I nonetheless never hesitate.

Lisa...you are a kind person. But when my broken scales could not longer balance between you and Theresia, the one I chose was..."

No more needs be said. Kristoff pulls Lisa's heart out, and crushes it.

"Farewell, Lisa Brenner. Farewell, my beloved compatriot. You may have despised me, but I was quite fond of you. If Theresia is my daughter, then you were my wife and sister. A notion that would only bring you disaste, no doubt, but it is the honest truth of my very soul. Therefore...I shall inherit your legacy.

Oh, I appear to have been correct. Even after she rots away, this one remains."

And indeed, Cain still stands tall, even though Lisa's body's turned to ash and disappeared.

"His performance shall no doubt decrease, but as long we have this in our hands, Cain should still prove quite useful. Besides...I certainly did tell you to use Cain as you saw fit, btu I never even dared to dream that you would do this, Lisa. Do you resent me, ___?"

Oh come on! At least don't redact the name if you're gonna go this far! Cain's as pissed as I am too, as his whole body quakes with rage.

"Return home, Cain. And once you do, seek out malleus. I know not how well she will be able to command you, but I am certain she will manage. In the meantime, I must busy myself with giving Lisa a proper burial."

Still clutching her heart, Kristoff parts ways with Cain, who does as instructed.
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Cut to the bridge. It's the dead of the night, and a heavy rain's falling down on Lisa Brenner's head, including hail. Accompanying her is Tubal Cain. A small, forlorn smile spreads across her face.

"It's like a Catharist whipping, huh?"

She couldn't go back to the ORTs yet. She needed time, time to think, so that's why she's here right now, letting the rain soak her skin. Soon it'll be Christmas...Rea's birthday. She's not sure what to think about that. Such an important day...a day she's simultaneously been awaiting for a long time, yet also hated. All that's left is to sit and wait, and she's sick of it. Her job's done, but there's no relief over it. Only anger and impatience.

Would her wish be granted? Would everything she'd lost come back to her? Or would she end up losing something else in return?

"How pathetic. I've gotten too old..."

Lisa's lived for more than ninety years, and none of that time on earth has brought her any peace of wisdom. All this time, and she still carries many regrets with her. A long time ago, she learned to give up control, and go with the flow, and now, as she has many times before, she realizes she feels weak and used. In some ways, she's no different from Cain. A puppet controlling a puppet.

"So at the very least, I think it would be good if you weren't..."

Angry? Sad? Something of that ilk, at any rate. How must Cain feel about her?

"Would you care to tell me? Cain...or should I say..."

"You will catch a cold, Lisa."

It's Kristoff. Way to cockblock a reveal, dude!

Anyway, the Father is here because to interrupt Lisa - not from revealing spoilers, but from wallowing in her self-loathing. He leads off by thanking her for opening the third swastika, a job well done. This confuses Lisa, because why would he ever need to thank her? It makes her suspicious.

"What are you doing?"

"Ah, nothing of import. I merely felt a somewhat bizarre disturbance with the spirits. It happened shortly before the Swastika was opened, I believe."

Oh? Interesting. Must have been Cain's awakening, probably. The others didn't sense a thing, which is odd - they aren't on his level, I suppose. As he says, 'perhaps it is significant that only I sensed it'. Ignoring Lisa's questions, he begins to inspect Cain. As he does so, it occurs to Lisa that Cain is certainly the best weapon in the ORTs' arsenal - but while Father Trifa isn't the 'strongest', he is the most 'dreaded' amongst the order. And then...

"Do you hesitate at times, Lisa? Now that your work is done, all that is left is to wait. You never have been fond of violence to begin with, so that is fine. I shall not stop you. However...I believe Cain still wishes to move around."

"..."

"How about it?"

"Why? Why do you still want to use him? You're not shorthanded, that's for sure."

"Mmm, all in due time. First, let us discuss your worries. Your worries and hesitation...you need not talk of them for me to understand. I have no wife or children, but I have those who are just like that. They are precious beyond words. Warmth that can never be replaced. Though we may be called demons, we possess human hearts. As such, I understand your suffering — so well, in fact, that it hurts. The source of that conflict is that you must kill the child in order to hold it in your arms. The contradiction is so tremendous it is far too much to handle. So you went with the flow without being able to make a choice. Is it not natural? We are indeed similar beings. I wish for Theresia's happiness just like you do, Lisa."

Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear...
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The choice is between letting the tattoo do its thing or suppressing it. Ren of course opts to suppress the tattoo.

New music! Hyphyyyyyy

Pressing both hands on top of the scorpion, Ren tries to suppress the tattoo. The scorpion whispers maliciously in his ear, telling him to get out of the way, but Ren's having none of that. The scorpion tries to tear Ren's right hand apart with its claws, but Marie's soul holds firm. Once an opportunity presents itself, he focuses and issues a single command.

"Sleep!"

And thus subdued, the scorpion ceases its attacks on Kei. Slowly, her breathing settles down. With that, Ren considers his debt to her to be repaid. There'll probably be a scuffle when she wakes up, but that can wait. For now, he wraps the blankets around them both and goes to sleep. It can wait until morning.

POV switch.
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"Guess this will do. You boys can come on in now."

Inside the VIP room, Kei is sleeping, bandaged up and covered in blankets. She's stable, but she's lost a lot of blood and her body is in danger of experiencing hypothermia because of the lack of heat. Shirou being Shirou, he suggests Ren warm her up. Ellie plays ball, too, because Ren's too fun to tease. As she points out:

"Besides, wouldn't you rather do it yourself instead of leaving it to Shirou?"

(that and he should be close by to stop her considering he's the only one who can do much of anything against her. But that's less important than jokes made at his expense.)

Eventually, Shirou and Ellie bid their adieu. Poor Ren, being too much of a goober to realize sitting (or lying) back to back is enough to provide good heat. He just wraps himself up in the blankets alongside Kei and starts thinking about what happened. This really is just a big ol' mess now, isn't it? Looking down to her face, he wonders how she got tangled up in this whole Nazi plot. It's an interesting question, but not one he can answer as she starts turning in her sleep and muttering.

"I'm sorry...I'm...I'm...just a...child..."

(new art BTW, and I'm p sure it's a one-off - a bandaged up, half-naked Kei is something I don't expect to see a lot more of, not even in her own route.)

"So please...forgive me...I swear that...I will..."

Ren feels a twinge of guilt at seeing this. It's private - much more private than a bit of skin.

"I...will win...I'll never lose...so please wait...a little longer..."

"I'm sure...we'll meet...again...The three of us...will all be...together again..."

"Beatrice..."

That name gets a reaction out of Ren. It seems...familiar. That's what Valkyria, the dead ORT she replaced, was called! She must have meant a lot to Kei. Her teacher maybe? An adoptive older sister? Heck, her mother? All possible...

No time to think about it though, because Kei starts writhing in pain. The stigmata, maybe? Whatever it is, it's so strong it causes her to go still. Concerned, Ren shoves the blankets off her...and discovers the mark Rusalka placed on her. Except it's alive. A scorpion in her flesh, moving all over, searching for a place to land a killing blow. For a moment, Ren hesitates, but he can't just leave her to die like this.

Annnnnd choice time. This one's a no-brainer, really.
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It's time...to read some visual novels.
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Eddv posted...

Just that it came pre-game FFD

There is nothing arbitrary about keeping the properties of an upkeep change in place.

for instance if there were a hypothetical merc out there who caused upkeep to go up by 4 or 5 but that that raise did not effect rostering, Serra swapping probably shouldn't cause that merc to suddenly take up more slots.

Why not? Serra's upkeep swap DOES alter roster slot costs. That's like, a thing it does. Similarly, Monokuma says the upkeep swap does something 'for the purpose of abilities'. If it doesn't affect Serra's ability, then it would be doing nothing, yes? Which contradicts the text. Thus it MUST affect the 'real' upkeep swap.
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Eddv posted...

The first sign about the 'quality' of this games rules interactions.

I'm not sure why you'd pick that out of all things to complain about rules interactions. There isn't really any other interp that doesn't end up making an ability arbitrarily not work.
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Monokuma + Serra upkeep switch

Monokuma is fake but Serra isn't, and Monokuma switch lets Lightning be rostered in low once you factor in Serra
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Diablo and Chrom vs. Damus + Raiden, Lightning + Morrigan, Dizzy + Poison.

Terrains: Arena Ferox (20 GP) vs. Luxerion (1 GP). Match takes place on Arena Ferox.
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Kefka, Ellie and Agnes vs. Bass.EXE and Yu Narukami.

Terrains: Temple of Wind (13 GP) vs. Undernet (Mewtwo Max -2 + 3 GP, or 11 + 3 GP total). Match takes place on the Undernet.

Ellie Braves and uses Final Hour. Bass intercepts it and nullifies it.
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Got busy after food X_x

Hoping to get some playtime done today (as in after sunrise). Fingers crossed!
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No Extend! That's all!
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TRIPLE EXTEND! Brave Brave!
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