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This topic's probably gonna die before we hit 500, but I do still plan on ranking each chapter, just been real busy the past few days.

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Oh, one random note I really wanna make about V3.

In the Mind Taxi or whatever the fuck it was called class tiral minigame, there's one part of the song(s) that loop where it sounds like the dude is saying "Slap.... Slap.... Slap.... Slap your aunt." And that's what I heard every single time, and I just wanted to share that.

I mean, I didn't mind Miu. But she just didn't really seem to add a ton to the overall cast dynamic. She helped with her inventions here and there, was generally abrassive and brash, but other than that she just didn't really do much for me. I'll admit I didn't develop our in-game friendship much so maybe I missed some cool character building, but she was pretty mid-tier for me overall.

Gundham is such a fun, crazy character. It almost pained me to not give him number 1, but as I said, I think Suichi probably has the best overall character arc in the series, and I had to give credit to where it's due.

I think Zero Escape will be a good change of pace for a bit at least, then I'll probably circle back to Your Turn To Die.

ellis123 posted...

It actually goes a bit harder than you would really realize as someone just getting into the whole thing. A good example of this is how Gundham is your #2 when on the listing he was something like #17 (I don't remember the exact number, just more in the "was just above mid-tier category" is what I recall).

Aw what. But Gundham's so awesome tho.

I do hope they make a 4th game at some point tbh. It's such a fun concept, and for the most part it's executed so well.

I'm already missing playing through them lol.

ellis123 posted...

Kind've wish that the Danganronpa character elimination game was still around as it would be pretty silly for you to see some of the differences between your list and the "board consensus." While I don't remember the whole thing there are quite a few that I can definitely pick out not having lasted nearly as long as they did on your ranking.

Aw man. That sounds like it would've been a lot of fun.

I think I leaned towards the characters that made things more crazy, so a lot of the antagonistic characters like Nagito, Korekiyo, and Kokichi ended up being higher than I would guess a lot of others would rank them.

I could see Angie getting eliminated early, but I liked the cult stuff with her, added a unique variable to everything.

It's not letting me @ everyone for some reason, so here's a link to the new topic for Zero Escape:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80196626

Still plan on ranking all the chapters of Dangonronpa soon, will probably get to that tomorrow. I at least wanna start up Zero Escape tonight to get a feel for the setting and characters and everything.

If anyone cares, I guess here's a ranking of all of the Monokuma-ish characters; They all kinda suck with Monokuma sucking the least tho. >_>

9.Monophanie
8.Monokid
7.Monosuke
6.Monotaro
5.Monami
4.Motherkuma
3.Monodam
2.Monokuma
1.Nanokumas

On second thought, the Nanokumas are actually the best cause they don't talk >_>

At long last, here is my full ranking of every student in the main 3 games. There were a good bit of position changes for characters as far as being ahead or behind others from their own specific games., especially with characters from the first game, thanks to further context and development in the other games.

48.Kazuichi Soda
47.Teruteru Hanamura
46.Mikan Tsumiki
45.Hifumi Yamada
44.Hiyoko Saionji
43.Leon Kuwata
42.Peko Pekoyama
41.Mahiru Koizumi
40.Toko Fukawa
39.Kirumi Tojo
38.Kiyotaka Ishimaru
37.Tsumugi Shirogane
36.Akane Owari
35.Tenko Chabashira
34. Miu Iruma
33.Byakuya Togami Ultimate Imposter
32.Sayaka Maizono
31.K1-B0
30.Ibuki Mioda
29.Mukuro Ikusaba
28.Mondo Owata
27.Rantaro Amami
26.Angie Yonaga
25.Gonta Gokuhara
24.Ryoma Hoshi
23.Kaede Akamatsu
22.Sonia Nevermind
21.Makoto Naegi
20.Celestia Ludenberg
19.Aoi Asahina
18.Byakuya Togami
17.Kaito Momota
16.Korekiyo Shinguji
15.Chihiro Fujisaki
14.Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu
13.Hajime Hinata / Izuru Kamukura
12.Yasuhiro Hagakure
11.Nekomaru Nidai
10.Himiko Yumeno
9.Junko Enoshima
8.Kyoko Kirigiri
7.Chiaki Nanami
6.Kokichi Oma
5.Sakura Ogami
4.Nagito Komaeda
3.Maki Harukawa
2.Gundham Tanaka

1. Shuichi Saihara

The biggest ranking change from V3 was probably Kirumi; while making this giant ranking, I kept forgetting over and over again who she actually was and had to keep looking her up, so she clearly didn't make all that big of an impression on me. So I retract my earlier statement of Tsumugi being the most boring character >_>

This ranking made me realize I didn't like a lot of 2's character all that much. :/ That said though, 2 does have some of my absolute favorites, like Nagito (who jumped up in rankings) and Gundham. (who I was SUPER close to making my #1, but Shuichi is just such a well developed character, and I think really embodies the overall spirit of the entire franchise more than any other character.)

The first game had a lot of its characters end up in the middle-ish.

Smiffwilm posted...

Maybe you'll see solutions others don't lol....

Lmao

Also would ya'll be interested in following along if I made a topic for Zero Escape like I did with Danganronpa?

I had a lot of fun having this topic to write down my thoughts as I went and interacting with ya'll throughout.

Smiffwilm posted...

I'd advise keeping a notepad nearby if you do lol.

This aspect might be hard tho given that I'm uh...

Usually partaking of the Devil's lettuce when I play these kinds of games. >_>

Imma get real lost if some parts are super complicated lmao

Imma go ahead and buy the set with 2. This seems like it'd also be up my alley.

Oh wait, Zero Escape includes that 999 game?

I've heard about 999 for years, always wanted to play it. Shit. Maybe that will be my next series I tackle.

Zero Escape sounds interesting; are they on PS5?

Definitely curious to explore more games of this style, I liked Danganronpa a lot.

I also need to get back to Ace Attorney at some point. I've only played the first game, but I liked it quite a lot.

The_Popo posted...

Thats robophobic!

lmao

The_Popo posted...

Ranking every character is a pretty big undertaking in its own right, but if you wanted some other ideas, you could rank the murders (by the students and Monokuma punishment times),

Oooh, that could be a fun one.

I'm gonna try to get to the franchise character ranking later tonight.

I love all the theories ya'll are posting; a lot of them make a lot of sense tbh. The beauty of making a game that's core concept is lies, is that any information they give you could be just that: a lie. It's a really clever thematic element to play with, and Danganronpa loves toying with it.

kirbymuncher posted...

twitch plays danganronpa

lmao, yeah.

Interesting concept I guess, but I don't think it fully landed with me.

1. Shuichi Saihara
2. Maki Harukawa
3. Kokichi Oma
4. Himiko Yumeno
5. Korekiyo Shinguji
6. Kaito Momota
7. Kaede Akamatsu
8. Ryoma Hoshi
9. Gonta Gokuhara
10. Angie Yonaga
11. Rantaro Amami
12. K1-B0
13. Kirumi Tojo
14. Miu Iruma
15. Tenko Chabashira
16. Tsumugi Shirogane

I will say, this ranking was a LOT harder than past ones, because honestly, I liked ALL of them in one way or another. None of them were bad characters; they all had another layer and were a lot more 3 dimensional than some of the characters in the first 2 games.

My ranking of Tsumugi might seem harsh, but I gotta be honest, the twist that she was actually "Junko" wasn't that surprising. She managed to be the least interesting character yet stayed around till the very end; other games, almost all of the boring characters die early. I expected them to have some kinda twist with her, even if I didn't fully call how it'd play out.

Umbreon posted...

The only okayish Monokub was Monodam.

Because he destroyed two of the other Monokubs, and then himself.

Agreed.

Alright; time for some closing thoughts on V3.

I loved the ending honestly. I hope they make another game at some point, but as BakonBitz said earlier, I'd be satisfied if they decided to just leave it there too. I think that's about as perfect of an ending as something like Danganronpa could possibly have.

I've seen some weird ass meta shit in various media, but I don't know if I've ever seen anything go as far as Dangonronpa goes. LITERALLY everything was a lie? Every decision they made, pre-planned for the sake of entertainment? The fans of the series themselves are, in the context of the game, essentially responsible for all the pain the characters go through? That's fucking awesome.

Adding insult to injury, every single one of the characters volunteered to be a part of the game, and wipe their very personalities for the sake of the game they love? I love the semi-subtle critique of overzealous fans of media, specifically stuff like reality television where they get so obsessed with it that they will do anything to just be a part of it? Danganronpa is so damn clever with its themes, and willing to punch its own audience in the gut just for the sake of its commitment to subversion and its own messages? I love how ballsy the writers of this franchise are, and respect the fuck out of them.

As I said earlier, Suichi is my favorite protagonist of the franchise. He's perfectly written as an obviously imperfect character. He struggles. He fails. He joyfully concedes to just being Kaito's sidekick, not taking credit for his own victories. But as the game continues, he grows stronger and more confident, to the point of fully embracing nihilism to end EVERYTHING if he has to. Like, fuck man. What an amazing character arc.

I also love that they make Kaede's already initially tragic death even MORE tragic with the reveal that she wasn't even the culprit. She was a completely innocent victim. Also, the proof that her trial was tampered with raises questions about EVERY trial in the franchise. Were ANY of them fair or legitimate?

Tsumugi being the mastermind is whatever. She was such a nothing character that I honestly don't care much, despite her being there the entire game.

I also have mixed feelings about K1B0. The bit with him being the audience surrogate, but most of the game we had Suichi's POV? IDK, maybe I missed something but I didn't fully get how he was involved. And most of the game he was honestly... kinda boring IMO. I don't dislike him, but I don't think I love him either.

Fuck the Monokubs. They OCCASIONALLY have entertaining moments, but overall they're just obnoxious, gross, and a waste of time.

I'll be honest, I think Monokuma and his crew are by far my least favorite part of the franchise. I didn't mind Monokuma too much in the first game, but he kept getting worse and worse as the games go on, and Monomi and the Monokubs are even worse than Monokuma is. The weird incest thing with Monophanie was really weird and gross, Monophanie always puking was gross, Monokid was gross...

Yeah... the Monokubs were just gross and unpleasant, and were I think the worst part of the game by far.

If I think of anything else I'll post it later; gonna do a character ranking of V3, but I also plan on doing a full ranking of EVERY student in the franchise. May also change some rankings from past games after having some time to think on each of them. Might not get to that tonight, but I do plan on that, and I also plan on ranking all of the trials in the franchise too.

If there's any other ideas ya'll have for some specific things I can do franchise rankings of, let me know.

markconig posted...

I'm on the love it side and I don't understand peoples complaints when they say they hate it. They seem to think it's a slap in the face to the fans but that's not at all what the ending message was.

Yeah, I don't see how it's a slap in the face. It's just taking the themes and subversions that the series has always done and cranking them to 1000, which V3 had already been doing tonally the entire game. Everything in 3 was bigger and more extreme, so it makes sense that the payoff would do the same thing.

I guess I can see why some people wouldn't like it, but honestly, I feel like it was weirdly the natural progression for the series after 2.

So I stayed up waaaaaay too late last night and finished the game.

I'll post my full thoughts tonight when I get home from work, but God damn.

That was one of the most insane endings I've ever seen. That was fucking incredible.

That was a new level of meta that ended up twisting really nihilistic somehow, like fuck man. There were some truly brutal moments in that trial. Amazing ending.

I'd need to sit down and think about it, but I think V3 is my favorite of the series.

Suichi is def my favorite protagonist of the 3 (4?)

I also love the twist explanation for the game's title. That was fantastic.

Holy fuck; this is a level of meta I dont think I've ever seen before.

Lmao, of course it was Tsumugi the whole time.

I didn't call it, but I'm also not surprised. They had to do something to make the most boring character in the franchise interesting.

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Lol, sorry ya'll.

We're so close, yet so far...

Azardea posted...

Chapter 6 doesn't end. It just keeps going, and going, and going... and going...

...

Wednesday it is then. I'm fully off and have no currently existing plans that day.

Oof. Heard. Might have to wait till Monday or Tuesday then.

Random last minute question:

How much longer do ya'll think I have before beating the game? Like, relatively exact time-wise.

I wanna beat it tonight, but I also open at work in the morning.

BakonBitz posted...

Yeah, time limits I'm sorta okay with if they're racing to a specific point or are action sequences, but investigation is supposed to be a slower, methodical pace so you don't miss anything. Ah well. The rest of the Chapter is fantastic I think.

Everything else has been great. But that random ass time limit definitely put a bit of a damper on things. Needless stress for literally no reason.

Gonna call it for rn, but next time I play, it's time for trial 6.

V3 has def taken a lot longer for me to get through than the first 2, but I've been loving it. There's always a chance I could hate the ending, but as of right now, I'd say I for sure like 3 better than 2. It's pretty neck and neck between 3 and 1 for me tho, I don't think I'll be able to decide till I'm fully done.

I love the implications of Rontaro being a survivor from a previous killing game. Idk yet where they're gonna a conclude with all this, but I love the idea of someone surviving an entire 16 person killing game, getting a survivor perk, and still getting fucking bodied by essentially accident at the very beginning of the new game.

I just got my second one :( I'm so conditioned to investigating everything and anything, this sucks.

Time limits in pretty much any game are dumb, but this is especially egregious and pointless. Really weird misstep this late in the franchise.

Bruh fuck this time limit bull shit. There's literally no reason for this, yuck.

Fuck. That was insane.

Chapter 5 really enjoyed toying with your emotions, and really pulled you around from start to finish. You still didn't know with 100% certainty the actual victim till the very end.

Kokichi is probably the most insane character in this entire series. He makes Nagito look tame in comparison.Suichi literally calls him the living embodiment of lying.

"I... Wasn't boring, right?"

That line weirdly hit me. I think that's probably the most genuine moment I've ever seen Kokichi have, and also sums up his character. He's basically a super evil spoiled brat that just does literally anything for kicks, his own or in general. Definitely a "Ya love to hate them" character.

and fuck dudes. Kaito and Maki's exchange right before he died. This fucking game franchise has now made me tear up 3 different times, wtf. Maki fell in love, and he immediately dies.Fucking brutal.

I kept going back and forth most of the game as to whether I loved or hated Kaito. He seemed way too gung-ho to be genuine, and I def spent most of the game suspecting HIM of being the Mastermind. But fuck, he was 100% legit, and now that he's gone, I really miss him. Really good take on that gung-ho best friend archetype in a lot of anime and such. RIP dude.

I love that his last words were "I'm not gonna die the way you want me to." What a great final note to go out on, in a weird, dark way.

Also now conveniently KEEBO is losing his shit? WTF?

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Chapter 5 has definitely been a wild ride so far.

Idk if anything they throw at me will hurt as much as what happened to Gonta, but who knows, Danganronpa def likes to make you feel despair.

Ayyy, there it is. A murder where you dont even know for sure who the victim is? Hell yeah, let's do it.

Hoping it's Kokichi dead tbh. And so far it honestly seems to be leaning that way in the investigation phase, but I guess we'll see.

Oh man.

They finally found "The truth of the outside world", saw the destroyed Earth, and Kokichi revealed himself as the mastermind, supposedly.

Got real dark there for a sec with everyone, including Suichi, considering suicide.

Something's up, and I feel like there's another twist incoming. I know Dangonronpa likes playing with expectations, but there's no way they'd just leave it there. I'll bet somehow Kikichi isn't the real mastermind, and just somehow stole control over for a sec from whoever the real mastermind is.

Ooh, I'll have to check that out later.

I've done it before, and I'd do it again.

Azardea posted...

I really didn't like how involved the Kubs were in the executions. I think it took the focus away from the actual blackened a bit.

I very much agree.

Finally finished chapter 4.

Hot damn. What a brutal twist.

Gonta being the killer was definitely not something I anticipated, and it's definitely one of the sadder culprit reveals. Second time this series has made me tear up.

It's insane how evil Kokochi is. Like holy shit, how does he fit so much malice into his tiny little body?

Also did they seriously put in the gross incest plot line with the Monokubs just so they could make an incesticide joke at Gonta's punishment? What the fuck.

Gundham
Xanatos
Samantha Carter

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BurmesePenguin posted...

I dont think youre incorrect about 2-3 mostly. It definitely has a lot of issues despite my liking it, but I think youre giving Monokuma too much credit. Despite his lofty claims of being a non-partisan observer he constantly forces peoples hands. Most notably in 1-4, 2-4 and v3-1. Hell, the entirety of the funhouse in 2-4 is badically created for the sole purpose of murdering Nekomaru. The secret of the Funhouse you gain from completing the final deadroom cannot be utilized against any other person.

Idk, I feel like forcing their hands is different than what he did in 2-3. With the other cases you mentioned, sure, he gave them essentially an ultimatum/deadline to encourage a murder, but with the Despair Disease, it pretty much guaranteed that Mikan specifically was going to kill.

All the other cases you mentioned, sure, he pushed forward the motive for some getting killed more aggressively than he usually does, but it didn't guarantee who would be the killer or who would be killed. With 2-3, of course Mikan was going to kill as soon as she got the Remembering Disease.

Forcing their hands is different than essentially taking away their free will, which is prerty much what happened in 2-3

You need to find a new doctor.

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