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teep_
10/10/22 2:42:37 PM
#353:


Umbreon posted...
That ending is the very definition of "Love it or hate it".


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BakonBitz
10/10/22 2:46:31 PM
#354:


Same. At first I didn't know what to think about it, but I gave myself some time to think about it and I really love the ending. I do have my theory on what happened in case they decide to continue with the series, but I'd be perfectly happy if they didn't, that's how well executed the ending was for me. Probably my most favorite of the series.

And yeah the twist that V was actually a Roman numeral had my mind blown. What a clever twist.

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Umbreon
10/10/22 2:47:40 PM
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(Now play/watch Despair Girls)

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JKwaffle
10/10/22 5:01:00 PM
#356:


markconig posted...
I'm on the love it side and I don't understand peoples complaints when they say they hate it. They seem to think it's a slap in the face to the fans but that's not at all what the ending message was.
Yeah, I don't see how it's a slap in the face. It's just taking the themes and subversions that the series has always done and cranking them to 1000, which V3 had already been doing tonally the entire game. Everything in 3 was bigger and more extreme, so it makes sense that the payoff would do the same thing.

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Smiffwilm
10/10/22 5:09:12 PM
#357:


And with the game's theme of "Lies", for all you know, all that meta stuff itself might also just be a lie.

Rewatch the beginning section to see if you can spot a lie you were told during all the "What really happened" section of Trial 6 regarding same beginning part.

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Powdered_Toast
10/10/22 5:12:24 PM
#358:


markconig posted...
I'm on the love it side and I don't understand peoples complaints when they say they hate it. They seem to think it's a slap in the face to the fans but that's not at all what the ending message was.
I think it comes from people that are just massive Junko fans and love to see horrible things happen to the cast and feel called out, as well as some people whose entire take away from V3 is "what the heck, 1 and 2 were fake?" Personally, I loved it. I caught the foreshadowing pretty early on but the reveals were still fun.

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Umbreon
10/10/22 5:19:00 PM
#359:


The moral of the story is: It's a lot easier to get away with murder if you use a simple method. Someone got hit in the back of the head and it took forever for that to get figured out. Well, at least if no one is allowed forensic equipment.

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JKwaffle
10/11/22 12:33:07 AM
#360:


Alright; time for some closing thoughts on V3.

I loved the ending honestly. I hope they make another game at some point, but as BakonBitz said earlier, I'd be satisfied if they decided to just leave it there too. I think that's about as perfect of an ending as something like Danganronpa could possibly have.

I've seen some weird ass meta shit in various media, but I don't know if I've ever seen anything go as far as Dangonronpa goes. LITERALLY everything was a lie? Every decision they made, pre-planned for the sake of entertainment? The fans of the series themselves are, in the context of the game, essentially responsible for all the pain the characters go through? That's fucking awesome.

Adding insult to injury, every single one of the characters volunteered to be a part of the game, and wipe their very personalities for the sake of the game they love? I love the semi-subtle critique of overzealous fans of media, specifically stuff like reality television where they get so obsessed with it that they will do anything to just be a part of it? Danganronpa is so damn clever with its themes, and willing to punch its own audience in the gut just for the sake of its commitment to subversion and its own messages? I love how ballsy the writers of this franchise are, and respect the fuck out of them.

As I said earlier, Suichi is my favorite protagonist of the franchise. He's perfectly written as an obviously imperfect character. He struggles. He fails. He joyfully concedes to just being Kaito's sidekick, not taking credit for his own victories. But as the game continues, he grows stronger and more confident, to the point of fully embracing nihilism to end EVERYTHING if he has to. Like, fuck man. What an amazing character arc.

I also love that they make Kaede's already initially tragic death even MORE tragic with the reveal that she wasn't even the culprit. She was a completely innocent victim. Also, the proof that her trial was tampered with raises questions about EVERY trial in the franchise. Were ANY of them fair or legitimate?

Tsumugi being the mastermind is whatever. She was such a nothing character that I honestly don't care much, despite her being there the entire game.

I also have mixed feelings about K1B0. The bit with him being the audience surrogate, but most of the game we had Suichi's POV? IDK, maybe I missed something but I didn't fully get how he was involved. And most of the game he was honestly... kinda boring IMO. I don't dislike him, but I don't think I love him either.

Fuck the Monokubs. They OCCASIONALLY have entertaining moments, but overall they're just obnoxious, gross, and a waste of time.

I'll be honest, I think Monokuma and his crew are by far my least favorite part of the franchise. I didn't mind Monokuma too much in the first game, but he kept getting worse and worse as the games go on, and Monomi and the Monokubs are even worse than Monokuma is. The weird incest thing with Monophanie was really weird and gross, Monophanie always puking was gross, Monokid was gross...

Yeah... the Monokubs were just gross and unpleasant, and were I think the worst part of the game by far.

If I think of anything else I'll post it later; gonna do a character ranking of V3, but I also plan on doing a full ranking of EVERY student in the franchise. May also change some rankings from past games after having some time to think on each of them. Might not get to that tonight, but I do plan on that, and I also plan on ranking all of the trials in the franchise too.

If there's any other ideas ya'll have for some specific things I can do franchise rankings of, let me know.

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Umbreon
10/11/22 12:46:56 AM
#361:


The only okayish Monokub was Monodam.

Because he destroyed two of the other Monokubs, and then himself.

Also when you get the chance, check out the love hotel thing for Tsumugi. It will... explain some things.

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JKwaffle
10/11/22 12:48:40 AM
#362:


Umbreon posted...
The only okayish Monokub was Monodam.

Because he destroyed two of the other Monokubs, and then himself.
Agreed.

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The_Popo
10/11/22 12:58:54 AM
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I never tagged this topic I would always just stumble upon it every week or so, then catch up on it. Glad you enjoyed the games! I tried Danganronpa 1 back in 2016 after hearing it was comparable to the Ace Attorney games, and it just might be an all time top 10 series for me. I went on to platinum all 4 games (absolutely not recommended for V3 ugh) and watch the Danganronpa 3 anime (also not recommended). Fantastic series as a whole!

Also, since I havent seen any one from this side comment on it yet regarding the ending of V3, Im clearly on the I hate it side. Or at least I hated it in the moment as I was playing it. I think Ive settled down and simply dislike it now. I can completely understand why people would love it, too. It just wasnt for me. I guess my rationale is that I enjoyed the story from 1, 2 & UDG a lot, and the ending of V3 just changes it to none of this happened. I just wasnt a fan of that. It was definitely an interesting twist, Ill give it that. And even though I disliked it, it didnt make me dislike V3. Still a great game.

Also, I think Im in the minority for ranking the 1st game as the best, but Id put them as 1 > 2 > V3 > UDG. I just really liked the cast in the original game.

JKwaffle posted...
I also have mixed feelings about K1B0. The bit with him being the audience surrogate, but most of the game we had Suichi's POV? IDK, maybe I missed something but I didn't fully get how he was involved. And most of the game he was honestly... kinda boring IMO. I don't dislike him, but I don't think I love him either.

Thats robophobic!

JKwaffle posted...
If there's any other ideas ya'll have for some specific things I can do franchise rankings of, let me know.

Ranking every character is a pretty big undertaking in its own right, but if you wanted some other ideas, you could rank the murders (by the students and Monokuma punishment times),

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JKwaffle
10/11/22 1:06:55 AM
#364:


  1. Shuichi Saihara
  2. Maki Harukawa
  3. Kokichi Oma
  4. Himiko Yumeno
  5. Korekiyo Shinguji
  6. Kaito Momota
  7. Kaede Akamatsu
  8. Ryoma Hoshi
  9. Gonta Gokuhara
  10. Angie Yonaga
  11. Rantaro Amami
  12. K1-B0
  13. Kirumi Tojo
  14. Miu Iruma
  15. Tenko Chabashira
  16. Tsumugi Shirogane


I will say, this ranking was a LOT harder than past ones, because honestly, I liked ALL of them in one way or another. None of them were bad characters; they all had another layer and were a lot more 3 dimensional than some of the characters in the first 2 games.

My ranking of Tsumugi might seem harsh, but I gotta be honest, the twist that she was actually "Junko" wasn't that surprising. She managed to be the least interesting character yet stayed around till the very end; other games, almost all of the boring characters die early. I expected them to have some kinda twist with her, even if I didn't fully call how it'd play out.


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kirbymuncher
10/11/22 1:07:21 AM
#365:


JKwaffle posted...
I also have mixed feelings about K1B0.

twitch plays danganronpa

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JKwaffle
10/11/22 1:15:06 AM
#366:


kirbymuncher posted...
twitch plays danganronpa
lmao, yeah.

Interesting concept I guess, but I don't think it fully landed with me.

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Smiffwilm
10/11/22 2:21:55 AM
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They were also very skillful with using the VA's/Character lines themselves in little ways.

Like, Shuichi and Tsumugi have the same VA as Leon and Sayaka. You know, the very first murderer and victim in the series voicing the last MC and Mastermind in the series?

Or regarding Shuichi replacing Kaede, having the same VA as Kyoko, who was also another Ultimate Detective?

Notice in the last trial when past characters showed up, they'd have the appropriate past character speaking certain lines? Like Nagito being the one to bluntly explain how it was all fictional, Genocide Jack being the one to refer the world as "Straight up crazy", Chiaki the generally most popular 'waifu' of the series being the one talking about everyone in the outside world is a fan of Danganronpa, and so on. Too many to list lol.

There's also the obvious fact that every character from V3 has voiced someone else in a past Danganronpa game.

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BakonBitz
10/11/22 9:37:07 AM
#368:


So I suppose I could say my little theory for the ending.

There are some things that Tsumugi says that kinda don't add up. She says that the characters were excited to be in "Danganronpa" in the intro segment but if you play it that's obviously not the case. Instead, a common thing that the characters seem to last remember is suddenly getting kidnapped. Doesn't seem like willing participants.

Considering Tsumugi's talent, she absolutely could've faked those audition videos. So if she was lying about that, could she have been lying about the whole thing? Not necessarily.

I believe that Danganronpa 1 through 2 and the ending of the 3 anime actually did happen in the real world, as the V3 characters speculate if the real world is much like their fake world. What happened in my theory is that the Tragedy subsided, but people's desire to see others suffer lingered, and so Team Danganronpa was created in-universe to make multimedia based off of their real-life events, eventually expanding past the 3 anime because people's appetites couldn't be satiated and made too much money.

Another inconsistency is that Tsumugi says she can't cosplay as the V3 characters since they're not "fictional", but then tells them that they're fictional anyway. So she might just be lying about that.

In a way, the game's theme of discerning the truth amidst lies even applies to the ending for fans to interpret, which is absolutely brilliant.

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LinkPizza
10/11/22 10:04:44 AM
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I have a few theories. Bland, but they seem to work.

One was that all of them take place in a virtual world. And its been a tv show the whole time. Based on 2, they can do it. And it would mean everyones alive afterwards. Obviously, theres more to the theory, but thats the basic part of it

Another theory is the first game we just straight up anime or video games. Which sounds weird. But I think it has something to do with those books in Shuichis Lab. I believe there were 52. And if this was game 53, those books were about the previous games. He mentioned how they showed various deaths of characters and stuff like that. Basically, it was about the previous 52 killing games. But they mentioned how the first ones were like drawn. But they started to get pictures in the later ones. So, they could have been anime. Or they could have been video games, and they got better graphics, so they could have realistic pictures Again, thats just the basic parts of it

Not the most interesting theories, but they work. And I kind of like them But I have other theories two. Those are some of the main ones

Like, the one where the first games actually happened, but afterwards, the world still wanted the killing game is another, like the other poster said. Thats what I originally thought while going through the last trial, tbh

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JKwaffle
10/11/22 3:39:02 PM
#370:


The_Popo posted...
Thats robophobic!
lmao

The_Popo posted...
Ranking every character is a pretty big undertaking in its own right, but if you wanted some other ideas, you could rank the murders (by the students and Monokuma punishment times),
Oooh, that could be a fun one.

I'm gonna try to get to the franchise character ranking later tonight.

I love all the theories ya'll are posting; a lot of them make a lot of sense tbh. The beauty of making a game that's core concept is lies, is that any information they give you could be just that: a lie. It's a really clever thematic element to play with, and Danganronpa loves toying with it.

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DamionDL
10/11/22 3:46:23 PM
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Have you played the Zero Escape series?

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Smiffwilm
10/11/22 3:53:53 PM
#372:


DamionDL posted...
Have you played the Zero Escape series?
I second this if you haven't TC, for playing Danganronpa directly led me to playing Zero Escape myself.

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LinkPizza
10/11/22 4:02:25 PM
#373:


DamionDL posted...
Have you played the Zero Escape series?

I love this series, as well!

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ellis123
10/11/22 4:04:37 PM
#374:


Zero Escape is good but Your Turn to Die is the direct continuation from Danganronpa.

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LinkPizza
10/11/22 4:06:24 PM
#375:


Theres also Project: Edens Garden Coming soon, I believe Which is like a love letter to Danganronpa

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The_Popo
10/11/22 5:05:29 PM
#376:


Id also vouch for the Zero Escape series. I personally prefer Danganronpa, but they are both very good series.

Danganronpa is about multiple whodunnit games within a game that contains an overarching story, whereas Zero Escape is a giant mystery within each game, containing escape room puzzles and parallel timelines where small differences change what you can do.

Anyone every play Shibuya 428? I tried it a number of years ago and just couldnt get into it, but I feel like I need to give it another chance.

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ellis123
10/11/22 5:10:43 PM
#377:


The_Popo posted...
Anyone every play Shibuya 428? I tried it a number of years ago and just couldnt get into it, but I feel like I need to give it another chance.
I did, yes. And it was just okay. The overall narrative was interesting but overall it didn't go anywhere fast and didn't really do anything for its ending. There are better games for visual novels with branching narrative structures and even amongst the "just okay" ones it doesn't stand out.

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Powdered_Toast
10/11/22 5:27:06 PM
#378:


The_Popo posted...
Anyone every play Shibuya 428? I tried it a number of years ago and just couldnt get into it, but I feel like I need to give it another chance.
I played it, it was ok. It was a bit slow to start, and the entire middle section took way too long. The gimmick was kinda neat but also a bit of a pain and somehow felt underutilized at the same time.

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The_Popo
10/11/22 7:10:26 PM
#379:


ellis123 posted...
I did, yes. And it was just okay. The overall narrative was interesting but overall it didn't go anywhere fast and didn't really do anything for its ending. There are better games for visual novels with branching narrative structures and even amongst the "just okay" ones it doesn't stand out.

Powdered_Toast posted...
I played it, it was ok. It was a bit slow to start, and the entire middle section took way too long. The gimmick was kinda neat but also a bit of a pain and somehow felt underutilized at the same time.

Appreciate both of your inputs.

If I recall, I became annoyed with how (spoilers for the general gameplay of Shibuya 428, but nothing plot-wise) part of the gameplay of trying to discover how to get to the end of a branch would be a lot of trial & error, which would result in me needing to go through the exact same dialogue over and over, as I would be sent back to repeated sections way too often for my liking.

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ellis123
10/11/22 7:22:45 PM
#380:


The_Popo posted...
Appreciate both of your inputs.

If I recall, I became annoyed with how (spoilers for the general gameplay of Shibuya 428, but nothing plot-wise) part of the gameplay of trying to discover how to get to the end of a branch would be a lot of trial & error, which would result in me needing to go through the exact same dialogue over and over, as I would be sent back to repeated sections way too often for my liking.
Ye, that was a bit of a nuisance. If you want to see that done in a "good" way look into WILL: A Wonderful World or, if you want to stretch it a bit further, Disgaea Infinite. With WILL it's basically just an easier/more intuitive version of the system while the Disgaea it's a lot more tricky but it's done in a somewhat different way that makes the fact that you are repeating stuff a lot more fun.

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JKwaffle
10/12/22 2:01:45 PM
#381:


Zero Escape sounds interesting; are they on PS5?

Definitely curious to explore more games of this style, I liked Danganronpa a lot.

I also need to get back to Ace Attorney at some point. I've only played the first game, but I liked it quite a lot.

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ellis123
10/12/22 2:03:46 PM
#382:


JKwaffle posted...
Zero Escape sounds interesting; are they on PS5?

Definitely curious to explore more games of this style, I liked Danganronpa a lot.

I also need to get back to Ace Attorney at some point. I've only played the first game, but I liked it quite a lot.
There is a PS4 version (The Nonary Games) so it is effectively is on PS5.

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JKwaffle
10/12/22 2:06:39 PM
#383:


Oh wait, Zero Escape includes that 999 game?

I've heard about 999 for years, always wanted to play it. Shit. Maybe that will be my next series I tackle.

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ellis123
10/12/22 2:10:54 PM
#384:


JKwaffle posted...
Oh wait, Zero Escape includes that 999 game?

I've heard about 999 for years, always wanted to play it. Shit. Maybe that will be my next series I tackle.
Correct. They are collectively known as the Nonary Games (it's an in-universe thing).

And they're pretty good, so definitely look into getting the bundle of the three of them.

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Smiffwilm
10/12/22 2:12:45 PM
#385:


JKwaffle posted...
Oh wait, Zero Escape includes that 999 game?

I've heard about 999 for years, always wanted to play it. Shit. Maybe that will be my next series I tackle.
I'd advise keeping a notepad nearby if you do lol.

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teep_
10/12/22 2:18:44 PM
#386:


Zero Escape is great. I'm looking forward to playing the third one

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Kircheis
10/12/22 2:21:41 PM
#387:


ellis123 posted...

Correct. They are collectively known as the Nonary Games (it's an in-universe thing).

And they're pretty good, so definitely look into getting the bundle of the three of them.

There's a bundle with all three? Thought it was just the first two. Is it a digital bundle? What with Zero Time Dilemma still being delisted last I checked. Unless I misread this post, which I probably did.

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ellis123
10/12/22 2:30:31 PM
#388:


Kircheis posted...
There's a bundle with all three? Thought it was just the first two. Is it a digital bundle? What with Zero Time Dilemma still being delisted last I checked. Unless I misread this post, which I probably did.
Huh, didn't realize that it wasn't all three. I got a bundle on Steam ages ago with all three and didn't realize that technically wasn't all one thing normally. >.>

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JKwaffle
10/12/22 2:35:03 PM
#389:


Imma go ahead and buy the set with 2. This seems like it'd also be up my alley.

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Kircheis
10/12/22 2:35:05 PM
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ellis123 posted...

Huh, didn't realize that it wasn't all three. I got a bundle on Steam ages ago with all three and didn't realize that technically wasn't all one thing normally. >.>

Right, Steam, that would explain it. Yeah, I was thinking of Playstation, which currently has ZTD unlisted. Hopefully it gets listed again, I wanna replay this series but I don't feel like hunching over my 3DS to do it.

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JKwaffle
10/12/22 2:37:57 PM
#391:


Smiffwilm posted...
I'd advise keeping a notepad nearby if you do lol.
This aspect might be hard tho given that I'm uh...

Usually partaking of the Devil's lettuce when I play these kinds of games. >_>

Imma get real lost if some parts are super complicated lmao

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JKwaffle
10/12/22 2:40:35 PM
#392:


Also would ya'll be interested in following along if I made a topic for Zero Escape like I did with Danganronpa?

I had a lot of fun having this topic to write down my thoughts as I went and interacting with ya'll throughout.

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The_Popo
10/12/22 2:46:36 PM
#393:


Id absolutely follow along.

Youd need to be sure that people are being very good about marking spoilers, though. With Danganronpa, the game was linear, so we could follow along very easily.

With the Nonary Games, it delves a lot into different potential branches of what could happen, and you have a decent amount of freedom to explore those branches. So if you make a topic, you might want to rely on people who are following your progress closely for advice on Hey, should I click on this spoiler tag yet?

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YoungMutual
10/12/22 2:53:52 PM
#394:


TC, there's a spiritual successor to the Danganronpa series being released next year, named Master Detective Archives: Rain Code

It's made by the same team and series creator and it certainly looks like it has the same vibe, let's hope it turns out as good as the Danganronpa games

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ellis123
10/12/22 2:55:03 PM
#395:


JKwaffle posted...
This aspect might be hard tho given that I'm uh...

Usually partaking of the Devil's lettuce when I play these kinds of games. >_>

Imma get real lost if some parts are super complicated lmao
That... could potentially be an issue. Danganronpa doesn't really have a whole lot of puzzles, as in it has none, while all three of the Nonary games have pretty heavy amounts of puzzles. Like, the first puzzle in 999 is a bit like Mario's level 1-1 with how many times it has shown up in other media through references and it's still harder than anything in Danganronpa (and it's definitely not that hard).

JKwaffle posted...
Also would ya'll be interested in following along if I made a topic for Zero Escape like I did with Danganronpa?

I had a lot of fun having this topic to write down my thoughts as I went and interacting with ya'll throughout.
Probably. I wasn't really keeping up with this topic very hard and I wouldn't for Zero Escape, but they are still interesting to see people's experiences with.

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Smiffwilm
10/12/22 4:04:58 PM
#396:


JKwaffle posted...
This aspect might be hard tho given that I'm uh...

Usually partaking of the Devil's lettuce when I play these kinds of games. >_>

Imma get real lost if some parts are super complicated lmao
Maybe you'll see solutions others don't lol....

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DamionDL
10/12/22 4:50:26 PM
#397:


I'd definitely follow a Zero Escape topic as well. It's great watching people fall in love with these series that I love.

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JKwaffle
10/12/22 5:54:23 PM
#398:


Smiffwilm posted...
Maybe you'll see solutions others don't lol....
Lmao


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BakonBitz
10/12/22 8:55:23 PM
#399:


Unfortunately I won't be able to follow the topic because I haven't played any of the Nonary Games yet, but I want to.

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LinkPizza
10/12/22 10:49:09 PM
#400:


YoungMutual posted...
TC, there's a spiritual successor to the Danganronpa series being released next year, named Master Detective Archives: Rain Code

Been waiting for this for forever now! Super exciting for it! I remember when I first heard of it

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tripleh213
10/12/22 11:35:48 PM
#401:


I'll follow since I liked those games

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LinkPizza
10/12/22 11:58:51 PM
#402:


Would also follow

As long as I see the topic

Tag me if made

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