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They also wiped out the airbenders except one

Wow tied so far

Which of the two ancient classics has the better story IYO? Let's assume these are the remastered versions of both for PSP.

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CyricZ posted...

"I shouldn't have to play as ugly real common people. I want to play as someone from a fantasy."

*dev makes them gay*

"No not like that"

Pretty much that's the argument they make.
"Games don't reflect reality so they don't have to be realistic"

"Okay so here are some gay characters"

"No, that's not typical in real life!"

Kloe_Rinz posted...
You gave your definition, and the one example you provided in no way fits your definition.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

If there were dozens of characters all of whom happened to be lefties and mentioned it constantly then yeah I'd find that strangely political.

What political statement do you think is being made here?

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

A character? Depends. 28 different characters in a row? That's when I have to raise an eyebrow or two.

This... is in no way an answer to the question I asked you. Again, what political statement do you think is being made here?

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

If every bandit screamed "NOOO THERE ARE SO MANY MORE PUSSIES FOR ME TO FUCK~~eurgh" before dying it'd be peculiar as well

Are you saying this happens with gay characters in Borderlands?

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Kloe_Rinz posted...
If you are desperate to argue against a specific example for whatever inane reason you have, go back and argue against the dumbledore scenario I already gave you

Even Dumbledore doesn't fit your asinine definition of "pandering", and I already addressed this:

HairyQueen posted...

100%. Even this example doesn't fit @Kloe_Rinz 's "definition" of pandering at all. His sexuality wasn't even mentioned in the source material AFAIK.

In case you forgot, this is your "definition" of pandering:
Kloe_Rinz posted...

a characters personality being "hi, i'm gay" is pandering

Kloe_Rinz posted...

What have examples got to do with the difference between non-political inclusion and pandering? my statement was that one was ok and the other was not. You don't need examples for any reason other than to steer the conversation in a different direction.

And again, all you do is flame people and call them homophobes when you don't get your way.

How can we have a discussion if you don't provide some examples of what you're talking about? What replies are you looking for?

Also, didn't call you a homophobe. If you personalized me pointing that out, that's on you.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

so you wern't even looking for an actual discussion on this? why even bother posting itt then? all you do is call people homophobes regardless of what they actually state

I gave you the benefit of the doubt by asking you to provide examples, but you can't. I honestly don't think you're equipped to have a conversation about this, and I really don't mean to be offensive or anything. But, just judging by your posts, I think this is kind of where you're at.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

Typicality

So you also consider a left-handed character mentioning their left-handedness to be a problematic political statement in a video game?

Also, what political statement do you think is being made when a gay character mentions they're gay?

Kloe_Rinz posted...

just sounds like you're being difficult on purpose

Usually when people complain about gay characters being "pandering", it's just veiled homophobia. And it sounds like you just want people to agree with you, even though you can't provide context.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

Inserting divergent sexuality

Divergent from what?

Kim_Seong-a posted...

So what's wrong when it's gay pandering? <_<

They're not going to answer this question.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

No. All I wanted to say to begin with was that theres a difference between gay characters existing (not political), and pandering (political). I don't care about your opinion of pandering. You don't need to steer this discussion away from my initial point.

It's hard to engage with your point if you don't provide any context.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

At some point or another they manage to insert the fact that they fuck men into their monologue, it's pretty kooky

How would that be political..?

Kloe_Rinz posted...

stated an opinion

opinion

why do i need to back up an opinion? i didnt state any facts. i stated my belief on something. gay characters existing is always ok. pandering is never ok. thats it.

So what are some examples that you have come across that caused you to form this opinion? I still don't fully know what you consider to be pandering because your definition doesn't apply to any characters that I can think of.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

the other guy didnt read. and again, i dont need to provide an example along with my opinion. i know what pandering is and isnt and thats all what matters to me. you've provided no compelling reason to the contrary

You made the claim that there are gay characters that are "pandering", so in order for anyone to take your claim seriously, you need to back it up.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

Only in media and only sometimes*

Ah okay. What are some examples and why do you consider them to be political?

I hear this sometimes but nobody is ever able to provide a valid answer. It's almost always that the person considers the position that "gay people exist" or "gay people are normal" to be "too political".

Kloe_Rinz posted...

did you even read my post? dont answer because i already know you didnt

again, the point you're trying to make is weird and doesn't really negate what i said. i dont care enough about your opinion to give you examples. all i stated was my opinion and you can disagree if you want

Yep I read your posts. Like this one:
Kloe_Rinz posted...

gay characters existing isnt political

a characters personality being "hi, i'm gay" is pandering

And this one:
Kloe_Rinz posted...

because the shows are not memorable and i cant remember any specific examples off the top of my head?

Come back when you've got some examples.

Kim_Seong-a posted...

Dumbledore's personality isn't "Hi, I'm gay" though.

100%. Even this example doesn't fit @Kloe_Rinz 's "definition" of pandering at all. His sexuality wasn't even mentioned in the source material AFAIK.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

because the shows are not memorable and i cant remember any specific examples off the top of my head? weird point you're trying to make but ok

So you have no examples of what you consider to be gay characters that are "pandering" in video games?

Kloe_Rinz posted...

weird point you're trying to make but ok

It's more to point out that you can't list any examples of what you're complaining about other than Dumbledore.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

whoevers identity revolves around how straight they are

Can you list 3 examples of characters whose identity "revolves around how x they are" in regards to their sexual orientation? I'm not quite sure how you're defining this.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

not sure if its 99.9% of characters, but to humour you, i don't

So you only have a problem with Dumbledore? Okay good to know lmao

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

No I didn't
The God Hand way is ok

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

HairyQueen posted...
Gay people are political but straight people aren't?
Only in media

The backpedaling is insane.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

a different example from what i said, but the whole Dumbledore thing was pandering

So what problem do you have with the other 99.9% of gay characters? And how many of the straight characters do you consider to be pandering?

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

Preferably none (see my earlier example from God Hand of the "golden gay")

You said that gay characters existing in video games is political. So what political message is being made simply by including a gay character in a video game?

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

What? Gays exist in reality.

What political statement do you think is being made if a video game has a gay character?

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

Only in media

Only if you're fragile/sheltered enough to think "gay people exist" is a political statement and not an objective reality.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

Heterosexuality is apolitical

I can't tell if you're intentionally being a caricature or not. Gay people are political but straight people aren't? Sounds incredibly homophobic.

Also, any time a character has an opposite sex attraction or relationship in a game, that's an example of their "straightness coming up". You seem fine with that though for some reason.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

That was just the first thing that came to mind as far as good gay characters go. Can't think of any others where their gayness was really part of their character in any meaningful way.

I mean, why would it have to be? Do you say the same about straight characters? Seems like a weird way to look at it.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

As long as they're funny like the ones in God Hand, I welcome gay characters

Why does a gay character have to be funny for you to welcome them?

I mean theyre not wrong. Its pretty bad

Thats cute

Cory in the House Tactics

Guide posted...

oh yeah well i ate celery without dressing

Also a healthy choice

:)

specialkid8 posted...

Being a moron does not mean you're a fascist.

I don't think they called you a fascist.

How would you react?

That's probably the least offensive menu item here

Chuds are getting desperate

https://youtu.be/gDhvG_p9br8
We need more of this

CRON posted...

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What's wrong with the straights?

US democracy has never been tested like it is now (at least not in our lifetimes). If we dont push back against this real threat of rising fascist political behaviors and anti-democratic bills then it may not survive.

SauI_Goodman posted...

Lots of french fries, bean burritos, bean and rice and cheese burritos without the cheese from taco bell.

I'm no nutritionist, but that doesn't sound too healthy. How'd you feel?

Wakka was a (still loveable) religious/racist bigot in that game. Glad he got over it

Give some of your go-to's

Guerrilla Soldier posted...

why don't i have a sexual assault toilet? gee i wonder

So taking a shower is sexual assault? Weird take

The insecurity in these replies is really sad tbh

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Hey, TC, can I get that rundown ASAP?