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SpiritSephiroth
02/15/22 2:10:47 PM
#102:


CyricZ posted...
Honestly if people confirm to me that this statement comes from the streamer's persona and not him personally, then I think of the streamer himself less poorly, but the problem is then less about the streamer and more about the people trying to convince me how direct and intelligent the streamer is through a commentary he's giving as a character, which I would think people would agree with me somewhat muddies the message being sent.

Again, you based your opinion on him playing a character. But if you knew at all what you were talking about, he doesn't see his persona as Asmongold a 'character'. He never has.

His Ideologies on Asmongold and Zackrawr are one in the same.

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Jabodie
02/15/22 2:12:51 PM
#103:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
You can't just slap the parasocial label on everybody who supports a streamer in opposition to their critics. The term suggests that we think of him as a friend, but really he's just a guy who makes videos. That said, he is a real person, and if he's being done dirty by critics and nay sayers, it's completely normal to have the desire to say "well actually you're wrong"
Alright. Then:

It's pretty interesting how invested we all are in the views of our video game streamers.

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CyricZ
02/15/22 2:12:52 PM
#104:


SpiritSephiroth posted...
Again, you based your opinion on him playing a character. But if you knew at all what you were talking about, he doesn't see his persona as Asmongold a 'character'. He never has.

His Ideologies on Asmongold and Zackrawr are one in the same.
Okay, so you're suggesting he's not playing a character in this instance, correct?

If so, then that's all I need to know. Thanks.

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SpiritSephiroth
02/15/22 2:13:23 PM
#105:


But of course this topic is full of people talking about things they haven't even watched.

If there was even one person here who has watched his videos, I'd probably be happier having a conversation with them, if they had a problem with certain views spoken. At least then I'd know they've actually watched the content they're complaining about.

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Eab1990
02/15/22 2:14:03 PM
#106:


I guess nobody wants to talk about the lolis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV_xUTO3YeM

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SweetieBeIle462
02/15/22 2:14:45 PM
#107:


I like the designs

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QueenCarly
02/15/22 2:20:38 PM
#108:


Jesus, was looking more into Asmongold and dude seems worse than I thought.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/wow-ffxiv-streamer-asmongold-has-a-recent-history-of-using-ableist-slurs

-and-defending-the-use-of-racial-slurs.458604/

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CyricZ
02/15/22 2:22:49 PM
#109:


QueenCarly posted...
Jesus, was looking more into Asmongold and dude seems worse than I thought.
*whistles*

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Gobstoppers12
02/15/22 2:24:20 PM
#110:


Imagine linking to resetera lol

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SpiritSephiroth
02/15/22 2:33:44 PM
#111:


Kotaku and Resetera in one thread. Amazing.

QueenCarly posted...
Jesus, was looking more into Asmongold and dude seems worse than I thought.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/wow-ffxiv-streamer-asmongold-has-a-recent-history-of-using-ableist-slurs

-and-defending-the-use-of-racial-slurs.458604/

He's a bad guy based on his past deeds, so everything he does from there means his views are invalidated. No matter what.

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SpiritSephiroth
02/15/22 2:36:46 PM
#112:


Also the worst thing on that topic is the N-word, and that isn't even him lmao.

Edit: "I'm a racist everywhere" Imagine people not being able to detect sarcasm.

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dancing_cactuar
02/15/22 2:38:35 PM
#113:


Linking to Kotaku or Resetera should be bannable offenses.

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CyricZ
02/15/22 2:38:52 PM
#114:


Nobody ever notices the times when people aren't racist.

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Nazanir
02/15/22 2:43:23 PM
#115:


So Lost Ark releases over 2 years ago on December 4th.

Why is it a problem NOW?

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SpiritSephiroth
02/15/22 2:43:58 PM
#116:


Nazanir posted...
So Lost Ark releases over 2 years ago on December 4th.

Why is it a problem NOW?

Because America got a hold of it.

Edit: Thats not fair on everyone in America. More like Social politics in America.

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hockeybub89
02/15/22 2:44:22 PM
#117:


That looks cringy as shit.

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Axiom
02/15/22 2:48:08 PM
#118:


Nazanir posted...
So Lost Ark releases over 2 years ago on December 4th.

Why is it a problem NOW?
If you paid attention to how many countries it released in 2 years ago you'd have your answer
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Yuuko-Chan
02/15/22 2:50:33 PM
#119:


SJWism, the mind cancer

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QueenCarly
02/15/22 2:52:03 PM
#120:


Yuuko-Chan posted...
SJWism, the mind cancer

Cringe

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hockeybub89
02/15/22 2:52:20 PM
#121:


Gamers: "They're just video games"

Also gamers: "Female characters have to be sexy and do feminine things! That's how the world works! Also, statistically, there should only be one LGBT character in every fifth or sixth game. It's demographics!"

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ColdOne666
02/15/22 3:06:11 PM
#122:


I'm actually tempted to play this game now.

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QueenCarly
02/15/22 3:09:07 PM
#123:


ColdOne666 posted...
I'm actually tempted to play this game now.

Lol, of course you are

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Gobstoppers12
02/15/22 3:14:46 PM
#124:


ColdOne666 posted...
I'm actually tempted to play this game now.
I hear it's pretty good. I kinda ARPG'd myself out playing Diablo 3 a ton over the years, but if you're into it, I'm told this is the best one in ages.

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ColdOne666
02/15/22 3:28:16 PM
#125:


QueenCarly posted...
Lol, of course you are

Why are you so obsessed with me? Rent free baby. I'm single if your up for it

@QueenCarly

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Punished_Blinx
02/15/22 3:35:38 PM
#126:


I guess people are arguing over a streamer because a Korean MMO that was recently localised having dated character design is overall a pretty lukewarm take.

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Axiom
02/15/22 3:41:23 PM
#127:


ColdOne666 posted...
I'm single
Water is wet. We bother just stated obvious facts that will never change
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Mibahlzitch
02/15/22 4:17:56 PM
#128:


If the high heels are stuck onto the character model at all times that's lame. I played a Korean mmo that did that before and was like "oh come on". It's not a sexy thing though, I just want to be able to take off the damn heels.

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garan
02/15/22 4:51:19 PM
#129:


OVERGOATED posted...
lmao kotaku
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WorsCaseOntario
02/15/22 4:52:13 PM
#130:


Why do some people just hate the fact that there are obvious differences between men and women

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Nemu
02/15/22 4:56:05 PM
#131:


WorsCaseOntario posted...
Why do some people just hate the fact that there are obvious differences between men and women
It's fine to an extent to criticize certain outdated tropes or stupid trends. I think the crusades against specific games are getting a bit old at this point. It doesn't render them immune from criticism, but some people do need to realize there is a market for stupidly gratuitous sexualized designs and there is a market for whatever some western developers are doing with their character designs.
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HairyQueen
02/15/22 5:10:09 PM
#132:


I mean theyre not wrong. Its pretty bad

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lilORANG
02/15/22 5:11:38 PM
#133:


What is with this sudden aversion to sexy ladies?

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JimRob
02/15/22 5:12:09 PM
#134:


lilORANG posted...
What is with this sudden aversion to sexy ladies?

ThEy ArE uNrEaLiStIc!!!!!
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Giblet_Enjoyer
02/15/22 5:15:34 PM
#135:


pogo_rabid posted...
Relevant clip regarding lost ark

https://clips.twitch.tv/InventiveRacySwallowNerfRedBlaster-HxlBwIziF16r2vAl
It is kinda weird that female idealization gets so much more outrage than male but it also kind of makes sense. I think part of the reason may be that males are the ones playing most of these games (and women often don't and thus don't really understand them). Women probably just find it threatening that men spend so much time with media that features ridiculous women. Reverse the roles and the reverse might happen.

It still isn't really rational to be threatened by vidya women though, because men have almost no standards. Hot video game women obviously aren't a threat, guys IRL will still fuck almost any woman. We're pathetic simps like that

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Giblet_Enjoyer
02/15/22 5:20:36 PM
#136:


Eab1990 posted...
I guess nobody wants to talk about the lolis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV_xUTO3YeM
Those aren't lolis.

hockeybub89 posted...
Also, statistically, there should only be one LGBT character in every fifth or sixth game. It's demographics!"
As long as they're funny like the ones in God Hand, I welcome gay characters

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Gucci_Josh
02/15/22 5:20:47 PM
#137:


tbh it's pretty offensive they still have gendered category/characters.

Imagine being non-binary and having this shit shoved in your face.
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QueenCarly
02/15/22 5:28:34 PM
#139:


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Mmhm. It's all intentional antagonism towards groups that they want to live in fear while keeping plausible deniability when called out.

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Gobstoppers12
02/15/22 5:30:58 PM
#140:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

I mean, not for nothing... chick fil a is awesome. It's okay to like chicken without having a political undercurrent.

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HairyQueen
02/15/22 5:34:08 PM
#141:


Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
As long as they're funny like the ones in God Hand, I welcome gay characters
Why does a gay character have to be funny for you to welcome them?

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bnui_ransder
02/15/22 5:38:23 PM
#143:


It really must suck though, when a bunch of nobodies get to tell you what you are allowed to do with your own game

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WorsCaseOntario
02/15/22 5:40:34 PM
#144:


Sure is tumblr in here

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Punished_Blinx
02/15/22 5:43:24 PM
#145:


bnui_ransder posted...
It really must suck though, when a bunch of nobodies get to tell you what you are allowed to do with your own game

That happens to basically every game ever.

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Giblet_Enjoyer
02/15/22 5:53:43 PM
#146:


HairyQueen posted...
Why does a gay character have to be funny for you to welcome them?
That was just the first thing that came to mind as far as good gay characters go. Can't think of any others where their gayness was really part of their character in any meaningful way.

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HairyQueen
02/15/22 5:54:47 PM
#147:


Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
That was just the first thing that came to mind as far as good gay characters go. Can't think of any others where their gayness was really part of their character in any meaningful way.
I mean, why would it have to be? Do you say the same about straight characters? Seems like a weird way to look at it.

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Collat
02/15/22 6:17:14 PM
#148:


The free-to-play action MMORPG forces women to wear heels and has gender-locked classes

Well that does actually sound kinda shit at least. Especially for the classes.

Not clicking on the article though.
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Giblet_Enjoyer
02/15/22 6:22:44 PM
#149:


HairyQueen posted...
Do you say the same about straight characters?
Their straightness usually doesn't come up.

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Collat
02/15/22 6:26:47 PM
#150:


Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
Their straightness usually doesn't come up.
Yeah. I never see straight couples in video games.
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Robot2600
02/15/22 6:27:27 PM
#151:


It's ironic cause I stopped reading kotaku a decade ago as well.

I want more high heels in my video games, not less, so stfu kotaku.

High heels on everyone.

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