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That topic you just made? It's ****. You probably don't even know what font you're using.
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**** the o'rangers
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Why are my tbolts such ass
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Relay run momentarily!
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

im one of those people surprised other people hadnt heard of him but I think not having heard of him means youre probably doing the internet better than I am.

theres no value in knowing who he is, im just impressed you could avoid finding out for this long

Sure, showing surprise and sounding disgusted are 2 different things though. I thought there was some of the 2nd thing going on (not you specifically but just in general) but maybe I'm just recalling incorrectly. I def can't be bothered to go back and check
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

nobody is presuming this, though?

like, if someone makes a topic about a sports celebrity i don't know, i'm not assuming the TC "presumes" i do know who it is either.

Maybe not the tc, but iirc there were ppl in the topic going "how have you not heard of Jake Paul do you live under a rock" as if those who haven't heard are somehow doing the internet incorrectly.
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Tough blow for the oceanics and tbolts, though oceanics are in much better spot to move up, being 20+ pts ahead of 11th place tbolts.
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I just loved how close the final was.i didn't expect a straightforward event like a sprint to be as exciting but it was
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5M Sprint up!

Oceanics nearly get 2 in a row and set a record for the event
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As someone who has tvtropes'd the game rather than actually playing it, from what I understand, Edelgard to me isn't quite evil. Does some hella bad things, but not evil. To me, evil would be someone who does bad things for the lolz, because said bad things makes them feel good, or because they want power because ruling things makes them feel good. The things she does are abominable, undoubtedly spurred on by her feeling of being against the clock on her lifespan, but ultimately she wants a better world where people are not locked in to their social status based on arbitrary symbols, and doesn't have innocent people experimented on for personal gain as she was. Heck, I'd wager even edelgard might consider herself evil because she's fully aware that what she's doing is going to be really bad for a lot of people, but she's willing to assume that responsibility because she feels she is the only one who can. But even though the weight of her actions cannot be ignored, she ultimately means well for the whole of fodlan's future, so I can't quite say she's evil.
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Today's event (5M Sprint) got postponed to tomorrow
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1-up mushroom
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Maniac64 posted...

Though aa interesting as Marble League is Marbula1 is still my favorite.

It's still Jelle's right? Just a different competition? I'm still rather new so i'm not super familiar with all the different formats he uses
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Thunderbolts here, but I have a secondary interest in the Oceanics because my wife likes them
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Naye got me into jelle's marble league a few weeks ago, right around the start of the 2020 marble league (formerly known as the marblelympics) and I'm into it. Anyone else watching?
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So wait, why exactly were you vomiting in the first place? Just overexertion? Would that alone really cause someone to be unable to keep stuff down, rather than just a one-time vomiting?

Also that sounds pretty stupid the bit about the helicopter being booked. What, that's the ONLY helicopter within flying radius? They can't phone another district for help or something?
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THAT's MY BULMAAAAAA
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MariaTaylor posted...

Vegeta's transformation isn't great either but at least it was revealed for the first time in a cool way. Future Trunks transformation was directly from the result of Future Gohan dying.

I mean, I think liking gohan is fine. if you like him I'm not going to stop you. I'm just explaining why -I- don't like him, and it has nothing to do with whether or not he was foreshadowed.

Yeah don't get me wrong, just cause I disagree, I'm not trying to come at you for reals or anything. Just a healthy debate.
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MariaTaylor posted...

I understand feeling this way, I just totally disagree. I think Gohan's character is pretty whack honestly. like the entire point of the Saiyan and the Freiza saga -- the entire point of the introduction of Power Levels -- was to display the narrative foil between Goku and the Freiza empire. how Saiyans had their power levels measured at birth, and their worth to society was pre-determined.

Goku, this saiyan who was discarded, due to his lack of potential, was able to rise up and become the legendary Super Saiyan that Freiza always feared... because Freiza just didn't "get" it. he thought that your innate power, how you were born, meant EVERYTHING, and like Vegeta and all of the Saiyans, and everyone else in this empire, they had a blind spot toward how a "weak" planet like earth could produce such powerful fighters despite their lack of innate power from birth. the fact that Goku was raised on such a planet was a blessing in disguise because he learned many things that you could never learn as part of Freiza's empire.

oh, but Gohan? yeah, he was born with this immense power deep inside of him that was always going to make him powerful. it just spits in the face of the entire two arcs that came before it. it says that Gohan's worth WAS pre-determined. just because it was foreshadowed doesn't mean that I have to be satisfied with it. foreshadowing is not the only aspect by which we gauge the quality of writing.

lastly, while Gohan reaching super saiyan in the hyperbolic time chamber might not seem as bad as some of the later examples, it's still a case of someone reaching that status with no real impetus. he just trained really hard in isolation and reached an emotionally volatile state which Goku could only achieve by watching his best friend murdered before his eyes. Gohan was the gatekeeper, and he opened the door for all of the bullshit discount super saiyan transformations that came after him. I just cannot be happy with this, personally.

I have 2 points I disagree with:

First, I don't really think Gohan was predestined to reach this power. Goku was able to nurture it and allow it to grow, and before that happened it's not like Gohan's power was some sort of instawin card. We see him help beat raditz and then...do nothing to Nappa, fail to really hurt stage 2 frieza, almost get killed by stage 3 frieza, at-best stall final form frieza, and then finally reach his potential against cell. And if there's any doubt to this claim, I'd personally point to Future Gohan, who we see reach SSJ but ultimately fall to the androids and thus amount to nothing because he never reached his potential. Did he have more innate talent that Goku (who despite his hard work, imo still had plenty of latent ability himself)? Sure. But that doesn't mean he was ever going to be a shoo-in to surpass Goku without the same sort of proper training that Goku was given. He still had to work for it. He may not have had the exact same amount of life-threatening injuries and battles that Goku went through, but he was no slouch himself.

I also disagree that Gohan had no real impetus, if you listen to his short monologue right when he turns SSJ, it's clear that his failings as a warrior in previous arcs have weighed heavily on him, it's just that the saga in general doesn't focus on Gohan until the cell games, so it's not given as much focus as Goku's rise to SSJ. Goku may have watched his best friend get murdered, but Gohan's trigger was arguably just as effective as not only was he envisioning the same happening to him, but he's still a child so such events would be affecting him even more than they would a grown man like Goku. Add on top of that the pressure he felt to live up to his dad's expectations (another common issue many people in real life struggle with) again exacerbated by his young age, and I think his impetus--while not as actually terrible as goku losing krillin--was probably just as bad if not worse to him specifically because of the reasons I laid out.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Goku was incredibly powerful at 11, Gohan was more powerful because everyone in the story was more powerful, and if Gohan was just Goku level he wouldnt have a place in the story.

Even this has a reason in story besides "just to make the story work" since a saiyan's defining trait is getting stronger after undergoing intense physical strain/injury/etc.
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MariaTaylor posted...

believe it or not, this DOES describe my exact feelings. I already thought it was stupid that Gohan had such an easy time going SSJ as a kid just by training in the hyperbolic time chamber. him going SSJ2 and defeating Cell felt incredibly forced and unearned. and this is coming from someone who read the entire manga just two years ago, so this is all still fresh in my mind.

I know the story is that Toriyama wanted to phase out Goku and replace him with Gohan, but then had to bring Goku back later on because fans weren't happy with Gohan as the protagonist. I don't know how true this rumor actually is, but I can say that I personally felt pretty unsatisfied with Gohan's sudden rise to power and everyone accepting that he was the only hope for defeating Cell. especially when you remember he was 11 at the time.

I wouldn't call it a sudden rise to power though. Him having this dormant, latent power was foreshadowed from the very beginning of DBZ during the Raditz fight. The Time Chamber training was the first time Gohan likely had any serious training (and no I personally dont' think the pre-android 3 years counts, as we saw Goku and Piccolo mainly training amongst themselves and gohan butts in. Since he's still a child at this point and Goku doesn't seem aware of his hidden power, I doubt Gohan got much run in this timeskip. Likewise, the year between the saiyan saga gohan was stupid young and piccolo's training consisted of throwing him to the dinosaurs and hoping he lived.) Goku went into the time chamber with every intention of beating cell himself, but once Gohan started making huge strides due to actual training, Goku pivoted and placed his hopes on him.

It may have been rapid, but I felt it was far from unearned or forced. This to me was the payoff of many arcs of foreshadowing. Besides, it's not even the first time gohan made a rapid jump, as iirc his power level more than doubled in the single year between Raditz and the Saiyan Saga, and he was even younger then.
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ShatteredElysium posted...

Which is worse?

Goten and Trunks achieving SSJ with minimal effort or Kefla and company doing it via back tingles?

Caulifla doing it
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PerfectChaosZ posted...

I always wanted a movie where Goku and the other heavy hitters were off somewhere and (weaker) guys attack the Earth and it's up to the Z-Team with maybe Piccolo and Android 18 being the strongest around.

Bio Broly is a thing, you've got the kids, 18 and krillin vs ****in broly (but severely weakened)

Also I dunno about a movie but isn't this basically the garlic jr saga?
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IMO I think goten's actually makes a bit of sense when you examine the nature behind the SSJ Transformation. It's born out of desperation, and goten is a small child who doesn't like to fight who's getting attacked by his mom and sees no other way out. Though it's not to the level of Gohan's ssj2 scene, imo there is a bit of the same elements of a kid being forced to fight and they just don't understand why. Goten was probably scared out of his wits even though all we got was a short flashback. Even moreso because at least gohan was raised around fighters and simply thought cell was out of his league. Goten wasnt' raised in a time of battle AT ALL so he has even less desire to fight than gohan did at that level.
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Not enough vegito
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Yes
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I'm trapped under this pile of spell cards
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Nice humble brag
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