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Strife2 08/05/20 10:52:49 PM #1: |
Reading some topics recently (Jake Paul Youtuber one because it just happened) revealed a trend that's been around...quite a while actually. Months or years maybe? A heavy amount of posts are one of three things:
First, if you don't know or don't care about something, why enter a topic or post at all? I would think the people who are interested in a topic would post or read about it. Second, is it a matter of people being genuinely curious about something or someone they don't know? If that's the case, is that the fault of the topic title or the creator not saying, "Such and such (YOUTUBER)" or "xxx (Professional Athlete) said this?" What I mean is, is the onus on the topic creator themselves to adequately describe a topic in detail or a person in general so most posters go, "Ok. Not someone I know, but I kinda get it." I find it does happen quite a bit with Youtuber or Twitch streamer discussions in places like this or Nonstop Gaming. In the grand scheme, Youtube and Twitch are NOT at all that big of things, but I wonder if it makes a person discussing the topic any less valid BECAUSE they are very niche. Sorry if it sounds like I'm venting here. Call it a weird discussion point or something. Has anyone else noticed that trend, or even done it themselves? I bring it up mostly because it comes off as a form of trolling, intentional or not. *also, pretty iffy grammar here. Need to stop that or edit it a bit* --- "Evening caress, Always yearning, I must confess, The stars aren't burning" Copernicus - Candlemass ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 08/05/20 10:59:07 PM #2: |
Strife2 posted...
In the grand scheme, Youtube and Twitch are NOT at all that big of things, but I wonder if it makes a person discussing the topic any less valid BECAUSE they are very niche. what --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Strife2 08/05/20 11:02:40 PM #3: |
StealThisSheen posted...
what I probably didn't describe it well. I see the trend happen a lot if someone links a Youtube video about a subject. Could be a small scale Youtuber, someone with 1 million subs, whatever. They discuss something. Microtransactions, weird video game bullshit, etc. And then inevitably, a person goes, "Who the fuck is that?" Or "Oh, is that the guy who said that shit...whatever. He's just some hack Youtuber, who gives a fuck what he says." I'm sure that happens with other things: wrestling podcasts, politics, sports. I just find people posting Youtube videos is the easiest offender to get that "Who?" reaction from people. I just see that like 50% of the posts, rather than discussing the topic. --- "Evening caress, Always yearning, I must confess, The stars aren't burning" Copernicus - Candlemass ... Copied to Clipboard!
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azuarc 08/05/20 11:08:35 PM #4: |
I most frequently encounter these responses in media where the original source treats the individual in question like they're a household name. This happens (well, happened) a ton on Yahoo, where the clickbait headline would be something like "Famous YouTuber gets arrested by FBI" and then you click the article and it's some dude named Jake Paul, and your reaction is "should I know who this is?" But the article totally makes the presumption that you already do going in, because it doesn't bother to explain that person's significance or it downplays it considerably.
It's prevalence has led to it being a cross-over phenomenon, but there's the roots of it. --- Video Game Music Contest 14 champion: Idola Phantasy Star Saga - Endeavour ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Strife2 08/05/20 11:10:55 PM #5: |
Ok. So Yahoo just didn't say, "Such and such Youtuber has been here for 5-10 years, and his videos amassed a following of xxx?" That does sound like half-assing it a bit. Or they do that thing where they wait until the back half of the article to describe it...I've seen that happen.
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LeonhartFour 08/05/20 11:19:58 PM #6: |
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Mr Lasastryke 08/06/20 9:00:32 AM #7: |
yeah, in case of the jake paul topic, i'm not sure if it's an "OH I'M TOO COOL TO KNOW ABOUT THIS YOUTUBE NONSENSE" thing (as some people in the topic suggested) or something else but i do agree that it's pretty weird.
it comes across as shitposting to me. not saying i never shitpost but whenever i see a topic about some sports celebrity i'm not familiar with (which happens all the time), i don't enter it just to go "WHO?!?" like... i'm not sure why everyone needs to know that i don't know some famous person? --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Waluigi1 08/06/20 10:36:55 AM #8: |
Strife2 posted...
small scale Youtuber, someone with 1 million subsTfw you learn having 1 million subscribers is small time lol OT: Yeah it's definitely just shit posting. I admit I've done it before. --- PSN, and GT: Waluigi1 Switch FC: SW-6848-3841-9099 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MoogleKupo141 08/06/20 10:39:22 AM #9: |
I dont think this is really a trend. People have been responding who to discussions of people they are unfamiliar with since the dawn of time.
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Grimlyn 08/06/20 10:41:17 AM #10: |
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Tom Bombadil 08/06/20 10:59:04 AM #11: |
I think a lot of the time it's a putdown of the person we're talking about, along the same lines of insulting an creator's work or a person's looks when you don't like their opinion. Sometimes too I think it's a genuine reaction to "why does everybody else seem to know and care about this dude I've never heard of." Or to an OP over-hyping the importance of the target.
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redrocket 08/06/20 11:07:02 AM #12: |
I only do this when the topic is so presumptuous as to provide literally zero context about the person whatsoever.
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Reg 08/06/20 11:16:36 AM #13: |
"I'm too cool to know this person" is pretty trashy, but let's be honest
I've only ever heard of Jake Paul from topics posted here about him (the looting incident a couple months ago, and now this), and I definitely think it's silly to presume that everybody is into that subculture and has reason to know who it is. Like, if he were a gaming youtuber maybe considering Board 8 (and Gamefaqs in general) is supposedly a gaming community first and foremost, but this guy? Going out of your way to say "who the hell is this" in response to a topic on a message board is probably like what Tom said though, just mocking either the topic creator for assuming everybody knows who he is, the content creator himself, or just shitposting in general. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr Lasastryke 08/06/20 11:22:37 AM #14: |
Reg posted...
I've only ever heard of Jake Paul from topics posted here about him (the looting incident a couple months ago, and now this), and I definitely think it's silly to presume that everybody is into that subculture and has reason to know who it is. nobody is presuming this, though? like, if someone makes a topic about a sports celebrity i don't know, i'm not assuming the TC "presumes" i do know who it is either. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mega Mana 08/06/20 11:22:43 AM #15: |
Waluigi1 posted...
Tfw you learn having 1 million subscribers is small time lol It's seriously weird, but true. 1 mill subs was like a huge milestone ten years ago, now that's just a channel growing. --- "In my headcanon, some staffer saw Trump pull out his phone and start typing so they just Terry Tate Office Linebacker'd him out of his shoes." - FFD ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Emeraldegg 08/06/20 11:53:25 AM #16: |
Mr Lasastryke posted...
Maybe not the tc, but iirc there were ppl in the topic going "how have you not heard of Jake Paul do you live under a rock" as if those who haven't heard are somehow doing the internet incorrectly. --- I'm a greener egg than the eggs from dr. seuss ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MoogleKupo141 08/06/20 11:56:10 AM #17: |
Emeraldegg posted...
im one of those people surprised other people hadnt heard of him but I think not having heard of him means youre probably doing the internet better than I am. theres no value in knowing who he is, im just impressed you could avoid finding out for this long --- For your Azuarc . At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Steiner 08/06/20 12:09:08 PM #18: |
I agree with Strife - and I am a frequent shitposter, but it's an especially worthless shitpost because it's not even mildly amusing to anybody
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MysticBrohan 08/06/20 12:18:16 PM #19: |
Its 200% Im too cool to know this youtube nonsense. 200 because when you call them out theyre all uh duhhh durr doodah b-but i really dont know. Actually 300% because they probably really dont. This is a post i would ordinarily Topic List out of existence sorry
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Emeraldegg 08/06/20 12:20:51 PM #20: |
MoogleKupo141 posted...
Sure, showing surprise and sounding disgusted are 2 different things though. I thought there was some of the 2nd thing going on (not you specifically but just in general) but maybe I'm just recalling incorrectly. I def can't be bothered to go back and check --- I'm a greener egg than the eggs from dr. seuss ... Copied to Clipboard!
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davidponte 08/06/20 12:39:58 PM #21: |
Emeraldegg posted...
Maybe not the tc, but iirc there were ppl in the topic going "how have you not heard of Jake Paul do you live under a rock" as if those who haven't heard are somehow doing the internet incorrectly. Oh hey that's me! I stand by my words. I agree with Strife and some others here, it does annoy me a little bit. I see half a dozen topics every day that I glance over or don't even enter because I don't know/care about what they're about, and never once thought "oh hey let me go in there and make it be known that I have no idea what everyone is talking about". Seems like a waste of time to me. Everyone has their own interests on this board and in each special interest topic this never happens, so it's interesting that it seemingly always happens in general news topics. I think the worst part is that in the time it takes someone to enter a topic, read it, and post "who?", they could have easily googled the name and answered their own terrible question. --- I was the final Undisputed Champion in UCA history, but azuarc was our Guru Champion! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NFUN 08/06/20 2:07:39 PM #22: |
The Jake Paul topic in particular was sensational. "<x> is getting raided by the FBI" is going to attract a lot of people just out of curiosity, even if they don't know who it is. And if the thread doesn't immediately provide context, it's a pretty natural reaction to ask who that is. They came for the story, and then needed the context.
If the topic title was "Jake Paul releases new YouTube video", then you'd have more of a point... although it's still pretty understandable for somebody to wander into the topic with the same question since by making the topic in the first place the OP is indicating that this person is worthy of your attention somehow. davidponte posted... I think the worst part is that in the time it takes someone to enter a topic, read it, and post "who?", they could have easily googled the name and answered their own terrible question. That answers the direct question "who is this person", but not the implied "and why should i care" --- You shine, and make others shine just by being near them. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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davidponte 08/06/20 2:29:43 PM #23: |
No one is asking you to care though? You chose to enter the topic and ask "who", it's not on the burden of the TC to make each individual person care about an issue.
I'm going to assume most people who ask that question don't actually want to care. --- I was the final Undisputed Champion in UCA history, but azuarc was our Guru Champion! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr Lasastryke 08/06/20 2:32:30 PM #24: |
again, nobody is saying you "should" care about who jake paul is. in fact, some people are saying there's no merit in knowing this.
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Shaduln 08/06/20 2:38:53 PM #25: |
I didn't bother reading the topic, but I wouldn't say this is a trend. This has been a common thing for a long time.
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Drakeryn 08/06/20 2:46:07 PM #26: |
I didn't know who Jake Paul was, but I glanced through the topic hoping that someone would ask "who?" and someone else would explain
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NFUN 08/06/20 3:15:33 PM #27: |
davidponte posted...
No one is asking you to care though? You chose to enter the topic and ask "who", it's not on the burden of the TC to make each individual person care about an issue.If there was no reason to care about the situation and the person, the TC wouldn't make the topic, unless you subscribe to the Rock/Tombolo Theory of Chaotic Meaningless --- You shine, and make others shine just by being near them. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr Lasastryke 08/06/20 3:34:35 PM #28: |
NFUN posted...
If there was no reason to care about the situation and the person, the TC wouldn't make the topic, unless you subscribe to the Rock/Tombolo Theory of Chaotic Meaningless there's a reason to care for people who have a basic understanding of who jake paul is. that doesn't mean the TC is saying everyone who is reading the topic "should" care. like, i run a topic about frank zappa. that doesn't mean i'm saying everyone on this message board should care about frank zappa or that i want a bunch of people in there going "who?!?" it's only for people who have at least some interest in frank zappa. if you don't care, fine. go to a different topic. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta ... Copied to Clipboard!
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colliding 08/06/20 3:38:29 PM #29: |
there are definitely shitposters saying things like "should I know who this is"
but also I think there are genuinely people who want clarification on who someone like jake paul is, hence asking "who?" it's not the TC's burden to provide a wiki, but they also shouldn't be surprised if they make a topic about a niche person and get people asking who they are ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr Lasastryke 08/06/20 3:41:34 PM #30: |
colliding posted...
but also I think there are genuinely people who want clarification on who someone like jake paul is, then google it, like david said. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SeabassDebeste 08/06/20 3:48:02 PM #31: |
definitely part of it is context/who people should be "assumed" to know
if your topic is about shigeru miyamoto, or donald trump, or batman, or leonardo dicaprio, then you don't need to clarify - since you'd expect anyone on this board to know who that is. if your topic title has like randy orton or kevin durant and the context of the story doesn't immediately give it away, then the odds are extremely high someone will say "who?" --- yet all azuarc of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness ... Copied to Clipboard!
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davidponte 08/06/20 3:56:02 PM #32: |
Yeah, if we're getting into the subset of people who are not trolling, actually care, and really do just want to know who the person is, then we can go back to "it would have taken you less time to just Google it".
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skullbone 08/06/20 3:59:14 PM #33: |
SeabassDebeste posted...
if your topic title has like randy orton or kevin durant and the context of the story doesn't immediately give it away, then the odds are extremely high someone will say "who?" I think the main question then is why do they bother posting that at all? If they're really curious they'd do a google search and if not then just don't enter the topic. It's just shitposting I think --- skull ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Drakeryn 08/06/20 4:02:46 PM #34: |
I mean, you could google it, but you could also ask, and I don't think there's any harm in either.
It's like, if I were with a group of friends, and some of them started talking about a person I'd never heard of, I could quietly google it on my phone, or I might just ask "Who's that?" Either is fine. --- another place and time, without a great divide, and we could be flying deadly high ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Strife2 08/06/20 4:05:46 PM #35: |
skullbone posted...
I think the main question then is why do they bother posting that at all? If they're really curious they'd do a google search and if not then just don't enter the topic. I think the amount is high enough already... --- "Evening caress, Always yearning, I must confess, The stars aren't burning" Copernicus - Candlemass ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr Lasastryke 08/06/20 4:06:27 PM #36: |
Drakeryn posted...
It's like, if I were with a group of friends, and some of them started talking about a person I'd never heard of, I could quietly google it on my phone, or I might just ask "Who's that?" Either is fine. that's totally different. you're not in real life talking with friends. you're already on the internet, given that you're on this board. as has been pointed out, googling is a much more efficient way of getting an answer than typing up a "who?" post and waiting for someone to reply to you. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scarletspeed7 08/06/20 4:12:01 PM #37: |
There's also a distinct difference between someone asking "Who?" or someone showing up in a topic saying, "I've never seen that movie or played that game." There are definitely people like Vlado who get off on purposely not having knowledge or experience. Being detached or purposely disengaged is worn as a badge of distinction among a lot of people. But it's easy to conflate the "Who?"s with the "Ha, I don't waste my time on this shit, and I get off on saying so"s. I tend to not engage either, personally, but I also don't mind looking something up on Google if I'm not sure what it is. I think, as much as I hate to say it, that you have to judge the comment by the user. If it's someone that often enjoys intentionally currying clout in their own minds by being disaffected by the world, then you know they're not asking because they actually give a shit.
Like, I get it. Jake Paul is a scummy guy with no real value to society, and it's fun to dunk on him. But I think there are better ways to do it than making yourself look ignorant. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tom Bombadil 08/06/20 4:13:43 PM #38: |
NFUN posted...
Chaotic Meaningless do you realize you just summed up 90% of board 8 posts --- https://imgtc.com/i/uWMMlnN.png Radiant wings as the skies rejoice, arise, and illuminate the morn. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NFUN 08/06/20 4:20:37 PM #39: |
Tom Bombadil posted...
do you realize you just summed up 90% of board 8 postsPosts? Sure. But topics generally exist for a reason --- You shine, and make others shine just by being near them. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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redrocket 08/06/20 4:26:47 PM #40: |
scarletspeed7 posted...
There's also a distinct difference between someone asking "Who?" or someone showing up in a topic saying, "I've never seen that movie or played that game." There are definitely people like Vlado who get off on purposely not having knowledge or experience. Being detached or purposely disengaged is worn as a badge of distinction among a lot of people. But it's easy to conflate the "Who?"s with the "Ha, I don't waste my time on this shit, and I get off on saying so"s. I tend to not engage either, personally, but I also don't mind looking something up on Google if I'm not sure what it is. I think, as much as I hate to say it, that you have to judge the comment by the user. If it's someone that often enjoys intentionally currying clout in their own minds by being disaffected by the world, then you know they're not asking because they actually give a shit. This post is something else. Imagine thinking that not knowing the identity of Jake Paul means that someone is disaffected by the world, let alone that they get off on it. I fully admit that I get off on not knowing who Jake Paul is, but not because I revel in disengaging from the world or even pop culture. Im disengaged from the lowest common denominator/bottom feeder/gutter trash culture that he perpetuates. --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SeabassDebeste 08/06/20 4:27:16 PM #41: |
on a different tack from "i'm just asking because i'm curious," I think the trollish "who?" is very valid when someone presumes that a community "should" know something that the community rejects. if you make a topic about jake paul, don't explain who he is, and have him in a topic that explains nothing about who he is, then that says "i assume you know who this dude is, and if you don't, then it's your fault. also, you should care about this." this may or may not be the intent of the poster, but that is what is being communicated.
a "who?" response is entirely reasonable. (edit) Im disengaged from the lowest common denominator/bottom feeder/gutter trash culture that he perpetuates. good articulation of it! --- yet all azuarc of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr Lasastryke 08/06/20 4:29:44 PM #42: |
SeabassDebeste posted...
if you make a topic about jake paul, don't explain who he is, and have him in a topic that explains nothing about who he is, then that says "i assume you know who this dude is, and if you don't, then it's your fault. also, you should care about this." this may or may not be the intent of the poster, but that is what is being communicated. that's not what's being communicated at all. you're reading something into the topic that isn't there. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scarletspeed7 08/06/20 4:30:49 PM #43: |
redrocket posted...
Jake Paul is in a separate paragraph for reason. But please be more righteously indignant because I'm not a great writer. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful ... Copied to Clipboard!
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redrocket 08/06/20 4:33:15 PM #44: |
I mean you still state in that paragraph that questioning Jake Paul is making yourself look ignorant. Oh no!
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NFUN 08/06/20 4:35:20 PM #46: |
redrocket posted...
I mean you still state in that paragraph that questioning Jake Paul is making yourself look ignorant. Oh no!Pride in ignorance is pride in ignorance, regardless of the subject --- You shine, and make others shine just by being near them. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scarletspeed7 08/06/20 4:35:38 PM #47: |
redrocket posted...
I mean you still state in that paragraph that questioning Jake Paul is making yourself look ignorant. Oh no!Again, I know I'm not a great writer, but I don't think I said that. Ignorance just means lacking knowledge of. I think there are better ways of putting someone down then something that really doesn't put that person down and really is more a commentary on your own connection to subsection of internet or popular culture. It's entirely fine to be ignorant on a subject, but that ignorance isn't something to be proud of, in the way that Vlado is often quite proud of being unfamiliar with things or incapable of changing with the times (ie: anything after 1999). --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HashtagSEP 08/06/20 4:35:48 PM #48: |
redrocket posted...
I mean you still state in that paragraph that questioning Jake Paul is making yourself look ignorant. Oh no! That's not what he said. --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scarletspeed7 08/06/20 4:38:38 PM #49: |
Also
redrocket posted... Imagine thinking that not knowing the identity of Jake Paul means that someone is disaffected by the world, let alone that they get off on it. Followed by redrocket posted... I fully admit that I get off on not knowing who Jake Paul is and redrocket posted... Im disengaged from the lowest common denominator/bottom feeder/gutter trash culture that he perpetuates. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful ... Copied to Clipboard!
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redrocket 08/06/20 4:40:27 PM #50: |
scarletspeed7 posted...
Again, I know I'm not a great writer, but I don't think I said that. Ignorance just means lacking knowledge of. I think there are better ways of putting someone down then something that really doesn't put that person down and really is more a commentary on your own connection to subsection of internet or popular culture. It's entirely fine to be ignorant on a subject, but that ignorance isn't something to be proud of, in the way that Vlado is often quite proud of being unfamiliar with things or incapable of changing with the times (ie: anything after 1999). Im not pro ignorance in general, but there are definitely subjects where its nothing to be ashamed of. --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest ... Copied to Clipboard!
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