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Lopen posted...

I hate you

Isn't Ulti scum too? I just set him free

SirChris posted...

wasnt sbell scum when sbell was dayvigged

or is this more recent

I did it a second time and he was Not Scum lol

##Breakup
##Date: Kirby

I need to go to sleep and Ulti said he would ditch me to save Sultan so

I do feel bad taking Kirby out of the EoD shenanigans but I really think he's town

Heroes again

anyway I'm going to sleep pretty soon who wants to bang

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

@Mzero

MZero posted...

I mean not making an argument for lynching anyone. Kirby at least has explained why he wanted to lynch each of his candidates even if they aren't great arguments

Like Sultan, Ulti, and Chris. Sultan has been busy defending himself, but didn't make any pushes day 1 or 2 either. Ulti basically just said don't kill Sultan or Ulti. Chris said to lynch me because "I said so" and tried to clear Sultan

at least Kirby is trying

This read thar you liked Kirby didn't like me Chris or Ulti if that's wrong my mistake

Yeah, I do have some suspicion of Ulti, but I wouldn't call him a "top" scum read. I'm still kind of on the fence on him

I don't think anyone should be blamed for forgetting Corrik is in this game tbh

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

He lists Ulti as a top scum read but is dating ulti, another thing he is attacking me about??

When did I ever say Ulti was a top scum read? I said he was likely town because of something Peaf posted lol

And either way as I said I partnered with him just to see if I could stop him from saving you!

who's twisting whose words now friend

Kirby321 posted...

I will say, the first thing FD said to me in our N1 chat was (effectively), "I'm not sure I can trust you. Peaf flipping scum doesn't make sense unless you're scum and he tried to save you."

He said the same thing to me. Well, not the second part, but that he didn't trust me

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I've said multiple times today that I'd prefer to lynch one of Ulti or MZero. They are currently dating each other though so barring either of them as an option I'd go down my list to either Sultan or Isquen.

I'll be damned if I go to sleep with Ulti as my partner lmao

Since he said multiple times he will save Sultan

I'm kind of starting to think scum Sultan would have given up by now

kind of reminds me of console mafia but also his reactions today have felt very out of character. I don't ever remember Sultan boasting about how good he is at mafia before

SirChris posted...

Thats fairly pedantic tbh as poe is a valid way to generate de facto scum reads

I'm not saying it's not valid! PoE is a very useful tool

but that's not the argument here

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Yes it fucking does
Why are tou being such as asshole

PoE stand for Process of Elimination

as in everyone else is town so x must be scum

it is by definition not a scum read. It's town reading everyone else

Oh and also PoE doesn't count as a scum read, that's just a bunch of town reads

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

The two statements are completely different you said.i haven't pushed any reads when I have. Applying pressure I'm this game hardly exists beacuse you can't cote anyone. You keep twisting everything thing I say come on now. This comes off scummy as heell dude.

Yeah beacuse of shit like this you keep twisting my words around.

Or don't understand what I'm now instead of asking you just do this bull shit.

I've mentioned my poe several time I've commented on reads several times. More than Isquen and honestly even you. You have just been nit picking my play. What other reads do you actually have??

I couldn't even tell you

I'm not twisting your words, I think you're just misunderstanding me. By pushing a read I mean actually trying to convince people someone is scum or pressuring the player by questioning them on points they made or contradictions you've noticed. Pushing a read is inherently pressuring a play, so if you're saying it's impossible to pressure people, that means it's impossible to push a read

Which I disagree with, because I have been pressuring you all day, and you even admitted as much by saying you haven't been able to focus on scumhunting because of it

My other scum read coming into the day was Chris but I'm not sure now

and then I skip half a sentence

I kinda want you two paired up but that's just me

Kirby321 posted...

Great questions. I don't think I made my feelings on that quite clear.

Entering this day, I've been very distrustful of Chris and Sultan. Seeing him say that Sultan was town only made me more suspicious, so I didn't trust Sultan to have been telling the truth about being slept with.

Thus, I proposed that someone who everyone says is town pair up with Chris to validate the prosty claim. Because at this point, I was convinced that Sultan and Chris being a scum pair was still a possibility. So I volunteered myself.

After a while, though, I realized that Chris would need to be Godfather Prosty in order for him to be putting up a ruse. While possible, many have pointed out that it seems unlikely and redundant with Vanilla Cop in the picture. Not to mention that such a scum gambit wouldn't be sustainable upon a Sultan scum flip or on future nights, especially when scum has a few mislynches to go before they win.

Seeing as my initial premise for pairing with Chris was silly, I decided he was more than likely town and broke up with him so that he could do whatever he needs to help solve the game. If that means he wants to confirm me as non-moving, then I'm fine with that.

alright that's a fair explanation. I kinda want you two paired up but

it would be cool if there was a role that could force two people to date for a night. Kinda like a mayor in this format I guess.

SirChris posted...

But given sultan move last night

got em

Hi Chris I am curious why you didn't attempt to date claimed vanillas so far

also who do you want to date today?

CoolCly posted...

Man, curse work from home. Now I wish I had my own office to put stuff like this up....

Make an office in your home!

my dating record is so damn clean

although it's missing that I offered Kirby a date yesterday

Kirby321 posted...

In that case, Date: Chris
I don't think it's unreasonable to offer myself to take the role of validating your prosty claim. The only person who even remotely thinks I'm scum is Sultan, but he's not the one who needs to be convinced that you're legit.

I don't see how "Godfather Prosty is convoluted" goes against his initial reason for offering the date

Kirby plz explain when you get back I assume you're not here

Isquen posted...

Nevermind I'm stupid and half asleep, that says Day 3 and not day 2

no you're right, Kirby did dump Chris today. Everyone knew about the prosty at that point though.

What I'm saying is it kind of looks like he initially paired with Chris to be like "look how town I am!" and then got out without a very good reason.

Oh I just realized "go catch us some scum" means pair with someone else and catch them moving, derp

But still, kind of seems like he wanted to look like he was willing to pair with Chris and then broke it off for dubious reasons. Don't love it

Isquen posted...

Not Lopen, but reading FD's summation, could it be he broke with Chris because he possibly already knew about the prostitute and didnt want to get seen moving?

You're on the right track. Kirby breaking up with Chris is... confusing.

Kirby321 posted...

Okay, yeah, the more it's been talked about, the more I have to realize that Godfather Prosty is convoluted.

Breakup

Go nuts and catch us some scum

Why is he breaking up with Chris for this? It doesn't make any sense. He even says go catch us some scum. Why is he breaking up with a town read?

Keep in mind, Kirby is claimed vanilla and probably wants to avoid being paired with a prosty if he's scum

Actually there is something pinging me about Kirby that I kind of glossed over before

Can you guess what it is Lopen?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Mzero would you feel better if I showed the back and forth with Chris it literally wasn't much.

I said some but in reality it wasn't alot.

Idk why I thought I needed to hide some info from that chat. I mean like I said earlier I didn't even want to claim I was slept with to save Town from claiming its probably last unclaimed power role.

Sorry I missed this. Yeah let's see it imo

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Litterally not true

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Their is no way to put any pressure on anyone this game you can't even vote but if i and a vig shot I would have shot Kirby already.

These two statements contradict each other? You said it's not true that you haven't pushed a scum read and then said there's no way to pressure anyone

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I've been spending more time defending myself against bad arguments and some clarifications I've been having no time to scum hunt I must have been on the right track somewhere to get distracted but idk

And here again you said you haven't been able to scum hunt because you're defending yourself, which 1) means you haven't been pushing scum reads and 2) have been pressured, so it's not impossible

Mewtwo59 posted...

A lot of the Gen 1 Pokmon have dumb Japanese names like that.

Beedrill - Spear
Scyther - Strike
Charmeleon - Lizard
Raticate - Rat
Magnemite - Coil
Haunter - Ghost
Drowzee - Sleep
Krabby - Crab
Moltres - Fire
Zapdos - Thunder
Jolteon - Thunders

Kirby321 posted...

Was Lopen in Paper Mario Mafia, by any chance, MZero? Wondering if you happened to pick up any insight on him from that game.

He was my co-host actually

Even putting everything else aside, the fact that Sultan has yet to push a single scum read all game is concerning. Instead he's like "you guys are dumb I'm amazing at this game" which is unlike any Sultan I've ever seen before

I gave him a pass at first because it's a weird format but he should something better than PoE at this point

Go read Paper Mario. He was applying pressure everywhere and when he got lynched he didn't really lash out like this

I understandnot wanting to kill Sultan today but LOCK town is a head scratcher

Lopen posted...

Power wolfing

after reading some of YGO Mafia power wolfing does not appear to in Scum Kirby's tool box

Isquen, though, I'm okay with lynching if he's just going to peace out. I know he does this every game, and I know it's lazy, but it's frustrating to deal with. Only problem is that his lynch doesn't tell us much if he flips scum, but a dead scum is still a victory regardless. Though I'm not sure what else we get out of an Isquen lynch if he flips town.

Kirby, Paper Mario Mafia

Similar vibe, not really reading him scum but "he's frustrating to deal with"

he voted Isquen in this same post btw

Oh and by the way, in response to the whole Rule of Lopen stuff, town says "let's lynch x even though they're town" all the time. Probably more than scum does as scum is more concerned about looking bad whereas town sometimes get emotional and flips out

I do it all the time when Ulti starts doing his "you all suck and i'm saving screenshots" rants. Hell I think I did it this game

Oh yeah and also Kirby was claimed vanilla so the chance of hitting power/getting a claim was there as well

think Peaf thought that by saving Kirby, one of two things would happen. If Kirby died first, Peaf looks good. If he died first, Kirby would get sussed. Kirby almost died yesterday so this almost worked

I think the reason he felt comfortable doing this is that everyone in the final group was town, so saving Kirby for some town cred didn't matter because another town would just die anyway. Thus, I think the remaining scum can be found in the players who were comfortably matched up, who wouldn't even be pressured into breaking up and have to worry about suspicion if they refused

Chris - death was not around
Ulti - red probably wasn't around and wouldn't have broke things off anyway
Sultan/MZero - I was snoozing. For fairness I will include myself as well
Corrik/Isquen - partnered up just before the mayhem. Corrik is claimed deputy so he can be taken out

If Kirby is town, I think scum is in Chris/Ulti/Sultan/Isquen. I've explained why I don't think it's Ulti or Isquen, but they are technically still in play.

I literally posted this earlier in this very topic

Lopen posted...

Wheel of names is done spinning and I think it's Mzero + Kirby

So I guess Chris was right. Damn good game from Mzero here.

The blunder you made was making too much sense across the board. It makes it harder to accept the illogical takes like "Peaf just went nuts and put himself out there with a bunch of town for no reason"

Other people don't like me or aren't reading the game. You don't have that excuse.

I didn't say for no reason. I said to make himself look good or Kirby look bad later cause they were getting a mislynch either way. and you've literally been proving my point by tunneling Kirby yesterday and today lol

Lopen posted...

I openly townread you at the point and saw you as a mislynch because of Chris's force of personality

Kirby just has one out for giggles it seems

Dude Kirby has town read me multiple times and mentioned that I made good points against Sultan

Lopen posted...

Kirby also randomly has a date request out to Mzero right now which is pinging me.

didn't you send me a date request too lmao

Lopen posted...

I've not said to lynch any of them because they're town though.

technically you also advocated lynching yourself so...!

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I can't get past how 2 players litterally spent the whole day saying I was shackled to Ulti when I was never with Ulti.

Dumey and Kirby... coincidence?

Ulti said he was never letting you die

Lopen posted...

He has been basically up for lynching anybody including multiple people he has said "when they flip town" about

Also I'm pretty sure you've suggested lynching more players than Kirby has today lol

Chris, Sultan, Ulti, Kirby, Me

I think maybe even some Dumey early in the day

Lopen posted...

Isn't that literally what I just said Kirby is doing?

I mean not making an argument for lynching anyone. Kirby at least has explained why he wanted to lynch each of his candidates even if they aren't great arguments

Like Sultan, Ulti, and Chris. Sultan has been busy defending himself, but didn't make any pushes day 1 or 2 either. Ulti basically just said don't kill Sultan or Ulti. Chris said to lynch me because "I said so" and tried to clear Sultan

at least Kirby is trying

Lopen posted...

You have to take Kirby's play today as a little suspect though?

He has been basically up for lynching anybody including multiple people he has said "when they flip town" about

I get what your saying but it's kind of weird for scum to be that brash? Like, you don't even need to push mislynches in this game. Just try and get a date and maybe keep heat of your partner

That's why I'm much more suspicious of players who don't seem to care much who dies and are more concerned with keeping people alive

Lopen posted...

OMGUS specifically is saying "oh my god you suck" because they suck for suspecting you. Not because they're having a bad game.

I always thought it was Oh my god ur scum

I mean Peaf looks *good if Kirby dies first

Lopen posted...

I could see Kirby bussing yes. Have said this from the beginning

I think FD, the guy who Kirby was pining for being out there is what threw a wrench into the plan

Peaf and Kirby would both look really bad if FD is not paired with-- possibly a blunder but I have long said that Peaf only ever makes that swap if

Dumey is scum (gambit)
Or
Kirby is scum (rescue mission)

It has no logic otherwise

Peaf had committed to the Kirby town read at that point and kind of had to save him

I stand by my interpretation. It was all town at the end aside from peaf. Scum was safely paired so scum didn't care who died.

Peaf saves Kirby. Kirby looks bad if Peaf dies first, Peaf looks bad if Kirby dies first. He probably didn't expect to die Day 1 but that first scenario is exactly what's happening here

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

It's litterally haha you dayed your scum read you suck it's OMGUs bull shit

I presented a lot of arguments that have nothing to do with your dating history. Also I don't think you know what OMGUS means. OMGUS is suspecting someone because they suspected you, which no one is doing... or even could be doing because you haven't really pushed any scum reads

Lopen posted...

This actually makes you look worse in a way

If he is peacing out does that not imply the understood gameplan is for you to accept his date?

do you think Kirby just stabbed Peaf in the back like that?