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Capitalism requires low level workers to exploit.

The more educated the workforce is, the less chance they will be a low level worker. Then who will do the work?
If no one does the work, how will you make a profit?

Who is going to do stocking for Walmart? Who is going to work in Amazon warehouses?

Solution: raise the price of education or make having an education no longer enough.

Now you have even people with degrees having to work in Amazon warehouses.

is it a scam? or is it just capitalism at work?

YugiNoob posted...

Apologies then, I guess we both misunderstood. Because people who have minimum wage employees toiling away for them while they make 9 digits is most certainly not self-made

No problem. Anyways, I mention the social programs that Hawkings had at his disposal because the people who hate having these programs the most and try to not pay for them are these same business people who claim they are self-made.
That is why they rave about it so much. They basically say that everyone should be like them and they shouldn't have to pay taxes to help other people.

ellis123 posted...

You called a logical fallacy a paradox.

Might want to re-read that post bro

YugiNoob posted...

Ive never argued otherwise. Social programs helping those in need are very important

Ok. Well I don't think Hawking was even mildly rich so...

This thread is more about business people who have made their riches off of other people doing the labor, but then going on about how self-made they are.
For example Elon doesn't make the cars, he doesn't even design them. He pays people to do that for him.

ellis123 posted...

Survivorship bias is a logical fallacy, not a paradox.

what are you on about

I was discussing calling someone a genius but then saying actually they just like everyone else and just studied harder or put in the time.

YugiNoob posted...

Im saying that its extremely ridiculous to say that the fact that youre discounting people for things completely unrelated to their accomplishments seems unfair to them.

It is actually a paradox to say someone like Hawkings is a genius but then prop him up the way you are doing. It is like comparing someone born as a piano prodigy to someone who learned to play at the age of 41 and saying "wow, that prodigy has so many more accomplishments than the other guy!"
Are you trying to say he was just an average dude who studied alot?

This is why we need to not discount people for things completely RELATED to their accomplishments.
And that is why we should recognize the need for social programs, assistance and stop pretending hard work or skill gets you everywhere.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

It's also not pedantic to point out that someone benefits from a certain aspect of society that others may not have access to through no fault of their own.

Exactly.

He also was born at the right place, because if he was born in 1941 in Nazi Germany, he would have been killed.

YugiNoob posted...

People like Musk and Bezos who started their fortune thanks to their rich background are clear examples of not being self-made, but to say that someone isnt that just because they have used something that someone else created, especially when its unavoidable, is incredibly pedantic. Like you could say that they cant be self-made because they walked on the planet since they didnt create it.

What is society?
Why do you need to believe the myth that a person can be self-made?

And what is that supposed to even fucking mean since you have gutted the meaning from it saying a person who literally cannot get up in the morning by themselves can be self-made?

YugiNoob posted...

Thats such a weird way to look at this.

It is not. Do you think Hawking could not claim disability benefits?

@YugiNoob

Now imagine if that didn't exist. Imagine if braile never existed. There would be no Stephen Hawkings.

The point is, to say certain individuals are super self made and everyone else sucks and deserves to be poor and such, is the dumbest thing to ever say.
Because programs designed to help such poor people are the reason why people like Hawkings was able to get where they are.

The idea that smart people will just float to the top is false. People need assistance and by assisting them we help ourselves as well.

oh ya, and did we mention certain companies owned by billionaires would have FAILED if not for government subsidies?

but I guess we should just call that hardwork or skill

this should actually increase the value because now the art has two artists and an amazing story that is very rare

YugiNoob posted...

The hell? So then no one ever got anywhere by themselves ever, since they needed their parents to take care of them after birth? They could chop down trees to build a lemonade stand with lemons they grew themselves using water they collected and purified themselves, but they still wouldnt be self-made unless they made the clothes on their back and fed themselves as newborns?

This is infact something that is well known in that people with lower income shit educations tend to do much poorer in life, so you have come to a realization that you should take to heart.

Elon Musk for instance had a father who was a multi-millionaire and got where he was by starting a company with his brother who also had a father who was a multi-millionaire.
They grew up around rich people who had started companies and such.

Compare them to a kid in the ghetto. They have the same chance at success?

people sniping up PS5s and selling them for triple the price are making a killing atm as well

they are simply highly skilled

a company I worked for actually had a CEO who got found out for doing illegals things

he didn't get fined or anything, just had to leave earlier than he would have and even got compensation for that
like really GOOD compensation

but I guess that is just him being more skilled than other people?

Pepys Monster posted...

Stephen Hawking wasn't intellectually disabled. Re-read his example.

He needed someone to make his chair, the perform maintenance. He needed all sorts of assistance throughout his life.

He became who he was because he had all that assistance.

Pepys Monster posted...

They didn't have the skill to succeed.

I thought you might say something like this @Pepys_Monster
I thought it was gonna be they just didn't work hard though.

Nevertheless, have you heard of the attribution error in Psyschology? Humans tend to IGNORANTLY attribute certain things to a person that are infact products of the environment or random chance.

Now, what you also have fallen prey to is an ideology of Christianity.
It is called:
They were never a Christian.

That is, people who stay faithfully in the Church are amazing Christians. People who leave were infact never actually converted.
This helps them avoid hard questions and just handwave them away.

This is what you are doing with Capitalism which is basically elevating it to a religious dogma.

Those who don't succeed are just bad. There is always success if you aren't lazy. blah blah blah

So are you stupid rich? Then maybe you are a failure because all you gotta do is try. Right?
Are you a failure @Pepys_Monster ?

Where is your millions?

Pepys Monster posted...

How were they just in the right place at the right time and knew the right people if they built a business from the ground up through hard work?

When someone does this and fails do you just assume they didn't work hard?

step 1
exploit poor people who are struggling by telling them how to be rich and making them pay you to learn you secrets

step 2
they don't get richer but you do

For the guy who says "Economy of Scale" thinking he made an actual point lmao

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/1/4/AAefUOAAC6Qi.jpg

You cant have a mass-production economy if you have no mass-consumption to absorb the production.
People need to be allowed to make enough money to participate in the economy. Thats why a burger flipper should be making $15 [or more]/hour, not because its hard but because they will then buy things with that money. If Jenny makes no dollars, no thing is what Jenny will buy.
Politics has skewed the economy so ruthlessly against the working class that the working class can no longer keep up.
Youd think that this is a message money would understand but apparently money doesnt want to do the one thing it is eminently capable of doing: paying taxes.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/0/9/AAefUOAAC6Qd.jpg

Harry Potter and the Screaming Terfs

atm it is now at $130

example

North Korea is a trash country that no one should want to live in

but that is the thing, how does a country so poor have rails if they cost billions to make?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_North_Korea

Because they don't

Now they probably had the equivalent of slave labor, but then we can look to other western countries that did not. Labor isn't the most expensive part of this anyways. They aren't paying the people building (as in the actual laborers) this billions. You can bet the top managers are probably making several millions though.

this is a good example of how Capitalism stifles progress

it isn't that it actually costs this much to do projects like this but that companies see this as huge profit opportunities

in other words, making money > public interests

Take this vid

ignorant people will be charmed by it thinking "wow elon paid 15 billion in taxes! That is more than all the poor people taxes put together!"
like some user have said on this board before

BUT then you realize the truth is that he is just paying himself back as his companies already have reach over 5 billion in subsidies and as time goes on they will reap even more

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/tesla-spacex-received-nearly-5-billion-subsidies-now-elon-musk-problem-government-money/

So no, he doesn't pay his taxes actually.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNYFS5pkpyU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiRLejymIn8

WOW! That is why he is worth BILLIONS!!!

SOOOO SMARRRT!!!!

This whole channel is clips of him trying to prop him up....hmmm....

Tyranthraxus posted...

I jest.

They spam the fuck out of this word on r/amcstock

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/7/0/AARLwzAAC6OS.jpg

oh moass

it may come, it may not, I think at this point it should be ignored and just see the current trend of ups and downs

Just a bit ago you could buy war or the spark booster box for under $100. Today it is around $150-160.

Now ofc, selling on ebay or whatever for $60 profit will have your taxes and fees cut into that.

But then I look at something older like Eldritch Moon. Sells for about $250 today. When War of Spark was under 100 this sold for about $180. It had gained a value of $70 in same time. But the real kicker is there was a time it was under 100 just like war was.

Or is Rudy just a loon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjW6Oh8pK1g

Tyranthraxus posted...

AMC also more ass

Is this acronym or you saying that it is literally butt?

also, inb4 people claiming this post is telling you to buy

it is not

you should have probably bought when it hit $80 cause that would be $50 profit

It will likely swing below 100 again but will probably swing above it a little after that as well

but I am not a financial advisor

also wtf amc is up too

Why does it keep swinging back up and not just dropping to near zero?

The anti-social programs users claim to like medicare lol.

When I talk about taxing his wealth, troll users ask why I think I deserve his money.

Why does he deserve ours?

And that is a lowball number

Because of poor disclosure practices in these countries, the costs of most such deals are hidden: the total is undoubtedly significantly higher, the researchers write. Among the countries where the reports authors found evidence or reasons to believe that Amazon has received subsidies from governments are Argentina, Bahrain, Brazil, Canada, Chile, China, France, India, Mexico, New Zealand, Poland, South Africa, Spain, and the United Kingdom.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgmvk8/amazon-has-received-at-least-dollar47-billion-in-subsidies-globally-watchdog-says

Just remember Bezos worked harder than you and that is why he is rich.
He had no hando---

Wait a minute.

big mistake, I will sell you orange one for all the gold you get at a later date

Diablo 3 style mmo.

Seems pretty good so far.

Questionmarktarius posted...

...what if this is the afterlife from some other life?

is it punishment or reward?

So ultimate edition cash grab when?

to think only humans have consciousness but claim humans are just like everything else is kinda a paradoxical view tbh

yet it is religion that claims humans have it because only they have a soul

so what I am saying is, you may cease to be a human when you die, but whatever part of you is conscious goes somewhere else. in the ground, into the air, used as energy. At the very least, your brain stores your memories so you shouldn't have those anymore.

bladegash posted...

Rolls dice

Setzer

When is GME gonna crater and go to 0 ?

Prof with his hands on the product talking about the recyclable booster packs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGyMOvNtw0M

https://fabtcg.com/

https://fabtcg.com/resources/card-galleries/everfest-booster/

Everfest is a supplemental set designed to shift the metagame and it is very vibrant and colorful. They also boast of recyclable packs, not sure how it works though.

Also, the speculators have left for the moment so box prices can easily be found under MSRP. This doesn't mean all the cards are dirt cheap, but it does mean you can easily get the product. However, the unlimited cards are mostly all pretty cheap. Everfest unlimited not out yet but since the first ed boxes are under msrp, that isn't much a problem.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/9/1/AAefUOAAC59b.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/9/2/AAefUOAAC59c.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/9/3/AAefUOAAC59d.jpg

AablMind posted...

Idk I think they just want to sell you more stuff

They aren't the only ones taking your data is the point.
Google wants to sell you more stuff.
Google isn't letting mysterious 3rd parties take the data.

The dude is right though. Most the Simpsons characters are one dimension and exist to mock a trope like Moe the bar guy or Barney the drunk.

Apu actually is 3 dimensional and went beyond the stereotype and voice to become a real character.
Then they canned him and that explains why modern simpsons sucks.
Maybe it is a favor to Apu tbh to remove him so he can only exist in episodes when the show was actually good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5xA21Qoxaw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s7YR9wS8eg

best simpsons