Current Events > Self-made rich Capitalists who say things are going fine.

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You cant have a mass-production economy if you have no mass-consumption to absorb the production.
People need to be allowed to make enough money to participate in the economy. Thats why a burger flipper should be making $15 [or more]/hour, not because its hard but because they will then buy things with that money. If Jenny makes no dollars, no thing is what Jenny will buy.
Politics has skewed the economy so ruthlessly against the working class that the working class can no longer keep up.
Youd think that this is a message money would understand but apparently money doesnt want to do the one thing it is eminently capable of doing: paying taxes.

Few things get under my skin more than the notion that anyone is "self-made"

No, you were just in the right place at the right time, and knew the right people
You didn't become successful all on your own

A lot of small business owners started with nothing.

What does that have to do with what he said?

How were they just in the right place at the right time and knew the right people if they built a business from the ground up through hard work?

How were they just in the right place at the right time and knew the right people if they built a business from the ground up through hard work?

When someone does this and fails do you just assume they didn't work hard?

They didn't have the skill to succeed.

They didn't have the skill to succeed.

success has nothing to do with skill

LOL no. Success has everything to do with skill.

LOL no. Success has everything to do with skill.

success has nothing to do with skill

Not a cause and effect relationship, but c'mon man

If you take someone so profoundly intellectually disabled they are wheelchair bound and nonverbal and a genius and let them run amok in the wild, one will succeed and one will quickly die.

There is a spectrum that exists in between those two. Varying success will follow that spectrum. Your take is a bitter one.

This is some ableist shit right here frfr

This is some ableist shit right here frfr

Yeah, it's not like one of the greatest minds of our age was wheelchair-bound or anything
*cough* Stephen hawking *cough*

Reality is neither ableist or otherwise

It is only reality, and it does not care for advantage or disadvantage. Time and entropy will move on without you.

then how do you explain the existence of incompetent people who are successful and skilled people who are not?

Stephen Hawking wasn't intellectually disabled. Re-read his example.

then how do you explain the existence of incompetent people who are successful and skilled people who are not?

Not a cause and effect relationship, but c'mon man

If you take someone so profoundly intellectually disabled they are wheelchair bound and nonverbal and a genius and let them run amok in the wild, one will succeed and one will quickly die.

There is a spectrum that exists in between those two. Varying success will follow that spectrum. Your take is a bitter one.

Yeah, it's not like one of the greatest minds of our age was wheelchair-bound and unable to speak or anything
*cough* Stephen Hawking *cough*

Reality is neither ableist or otherwise

It is only reality, and it does not care for advantage or disadvantage. Time and entropy will move on without you.

then how do you explain the existence of incompetent people who are successful and skilled people who are not?

Stephen Hawking wasn't intellectually disabled. Re-read his example.

You're immediately assuming that somebody that's "intellectually disabled" (whatever the fuck that means) doesn't have any skills that a "genius" might not have.

My specific example was wheelchair-bound from intellectual disability :P I see a lot of this at my ED. There is an entire nursing home next to my shop that houses these poor souls.

Hawking was truly amazing. Yet, he proves me point as well. He had an inner drive to succeed. Drive is extremely important. Most people in his situation would just give up.

Those are outliers.

success has nothing to do with skill

"drive to succeed" also doesn't really have any bearing on success

capitalism necessitates the existence of an exploited underclass to function. if everyone were skilled and driven to succeed, there wouldn't be more successful people; there would just be a lot more unsuccessful people who are also skilled and driven.

it's functionally a gigantic pyramid scheme. whether or not "anyone" can succeed is irrelevant -- "everyone" can't. the system cannot sustain that

They didn't have the skill to succeed.

"drive to succeed" also doesn't really have any bearing on success

capitalism necessitates the existence of an exploited underclass to function. if everyone were skilled and driven to succeed, there wouldn't be more successful people; there would just be a lot more unsuccessful people who are also skilled and driven.

it's functionally a gigantic pyramid scheme. whether or not "anyone" can succeed is irrelevant -- "everyone" can't. the system cannot sustain that

wow

You know, there are two types of people in this world

Those with an intrinsic motivation and those with extrinsic

If you want to correlate success, intrinsic folks are usually the most successful. You are clearly extrinsic.

Extrinsic people take zero accountability. The universe "happens" to them. They are a bystander.

Intrinsic people "make" things happen. Hawking was very intrinsic. He drove his success.

Extrinsic people succeed only through chance and lottery. Otherwise they wait for good things to happen and usually die in the process, cursing others who succeeded the whole time.

They didn't have the skill to succeed.

okay. show me the data which suggests this

wow

You know, there are two types of people in this world

Those with an intrinsic motivation and those with extrinsic

If you want to correlate success, intrinsic folks are usually the most successful. You are clearly extrinsic.

Extrinsic people take zero accountability. The universe "happens" to them. They are a bystander.

Intrinsic people "make" things happen. Hawking was very intrinsic. He drove his success.

Extrinsic people succeed only through chance and lottery. Otherwise they wait for good things to happen and usually die in the process, cursing others who succeeded the whole time.

Stephen Hawking wasn't intellectually disabled. Re-read his example.

I mean in a strictly medical term. As in, severe mental mental debility. Not used as an insult. They have zero skill. They are wheelchair bound, fed through a tube in the stomach and breath through a tube in their neck. They do not have thoughts, at least any they can convey, and simply wait to die.

They are the saddest patients I see.

That's "whatever the fuck" I mean.

Sure, let me just pull up the data on CEOs who were ranked as "competent" and "incompetent."

which self-help book did you get this from?

He needed someone to make his chair, the perform maintenance. He needed all sorts of assistance throughout his life.

He became who he was because he had all that assistance.

The hell? So then no one ever got anywhere by themselves ever, since they needed their parents to take care of them after birth? They could chop down trees to build a lemonade stand with lemons they grew themselves using water they collected and purified themselves, but they still wouldnt be self-made unless they made the clothes on their back and fed themselves as newborns?

medical school, behavioral science class.