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Saying that Bernie would have won the election is basically fanfiction

Democrats don't vote in midterm elections when there is no existential threat - 2022 is all but guaranteed to give us a republican senate and republican house. The 2022 house is competitive - the 2022 senate is not even remotely close to being competitive and I am really not sure why people think it is.

"- It'll be interesting if there really are two killers, and one killed Tenko unnecessarily, and the heroes figure it out but can't punish him, and are angry at him for the rest of the game."

Yeah I thought this would have been cool too, Anagram.

I know this election is revealing a deep darkness within this country but I just CANNOT imagine trump jr not being a complete flop in a republican primary

Yes, Biden having every one of his cabinet appointees blocked by Mitch McConnell, what a dream scenario for him

who the hell

Oh almost every Danganronpa execution is fucking terrible IMO

Why Kirumi so low? I thought that one was pretty good.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Best Silver tweet tonight: he's so done with these Twitter replies.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1323855158174978049?s=19

I want to make one thing clear here - the kind of map we're headed towards is NOT the kind of map that I gave 538's model shit for, ever. Georgia and Arizona blue with Florida and NC red, or anything like that - really, any combination only involving swing states - was nothing I considered weird at all. We're headed for a pretty normal map. The kind of shit I gave 538's model shit for spitting out was like, literally the map that had Hawaii and NJ red and Louisiana blue. That kind of shit seriously damaged the model's credibility. That is NOT what is happening tonight, even remotely.

KamikazePotato posted...

"I dropped everything I was holding"

I noticed this one when it happened too and was like 'wellllll that's a bit odd isn't it'

I wasn't very confidently calling Kaede going into it, it was more of a, "oh god are they really doing this?"

I had a sneaking suspicion of Kaede the moment that she took a medicine ball for no real reason and the game tried to gloss over it real quick

I was like, UMMMMMM, THAT'S NOT NORMAL

then she rearranged books in a stupid way and started giving off weird vibes and I was like oh god, oh god

we've got a spoiler topic for this kinda stuff

Yeah I feel like it's a bit forced the way they end up stopping the game in case 6. This is why I really like my suggestion earlier of having 3-5 actually revealed to the audience to be a sham - it would destabilize the whole operation like nothing ever had before, and Kokichi going out making the whole game's audience realize the whole thing's a fraud would've been such a goddamn baller move. And then Keebo, instead of just having his antenna randomly clipped, could instead go insane because of all the angry people in his head, and then have to work through that instead. I dunno, just feels like it would have been a smoother transition into the rest of the cast being able to get Danganronpa canceled.

I can't remember if I ever described this but I had a theory in 3-6 that didn't pan out that still really upsets me - when they threw in that red herring about Kaede having a twin sister, I thought for sure that it was going to turn out that the Kaede we knew in the game told the TV show's producers something like, "I want to be just like my sister Kaede, she's amazing," which would give both Shuichi and the player that little twinkle of light in the distance knowing that the "real" Kaede is out there somewhere, even if our Kaede died - I think it would have been a nice way to bring things full circle and to sort of apologize for being so cruel in taking Kaede away from us in the first place, without disrupting the impact her death had in the first place. (They could have also brought back the time Tsumugi showed us having cospox when dressing up as Kaede - if it turned out that cospox was a real phenomenon and she couldn't cosplay Kaede because she was based on a real person!) But they didn't do that, it was just a dumb red herring, lol. I do think it would have been nice if they 'closed the loop' on Kaede in the end, just to give us some kind of thematic meaning to her death or some sort of way in which that outcome meant something in the end, but oh well.

KamikazePotato posted...

I don't think anything beats the gut-punch of losing the first female protagonist. That was very clearly set up to hurt the player as much as possible.

I think what you described as an alternative is actually a difference in how V3 approaches emotion vs. DR1 and DR2. The first games talk about despair a lot but as far as the player is concerned, it's something you dabble in rather than experience. You're watching the characters go through despair and maybe experiencing it vicariously but it's not YOUR despair, it's the characters'. V3 does a far better job at attacking the player directly. The 'start as Ultimate Detective and switch to a random character' thing isn't an intrinsic emotional beat - it's just a twist and potentially interesting. Kaede was built up in the marketing as the first female protagonist, and they HAD to know there was a demand for that, which is why they gave you what you wanted and ripped it away from you.

Then you get to Gonta's trial, which is more of an anti-trial in how it serves to demystify the killer aspect and make the player as upset as possible with how it plays out, and the final case speaks for itself. When doing things well, V3 is very good at making the player feel despair, which is ironic considering it's the game where hope/despair matters the least in the story.

This is good analysis, I see your point

also I just want to brag that I went 6 for 6 on correctly guessing killers before starting the trial

I don't think I should repost this in the thread just because of the possibility of implied spoilers, even though there aren't really any, but this was my list of "who is most likely to be the mastermind" immediately after meeting all the characters:

1. Maki
2. Tsumugi
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3. Rantaro
4. Kokichi
5. Shuichi
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6. K1-B0
7. Himiko
8. Angie
9. Kirumi
10. Korekiyo
11. Kaito
12. Someone Else
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13. Miu
14. Kaede
15. Gonta
16. Ryoma
17. Tenko

I think I did pretty well, given that I had the right person in the top tier! But I understand his suspicion of Maki, since there's obviously SOMETHING going on with her - I knew almost right away in chapter 2 that she was gonna get promoted to sidekick.

Inviso posted...

Shuichi's the more interesting character, so I'm okay with it.

I do like Shuichi as a very different take on a DR protag, and a different take on being an Ultimate Detective as well, so I'm still good with it, but I think rewriting it just a touch to have the player start as the Ultimate Detective, go "oh that's different", but then have him die and switch to a random cast member out of nowhere would have had even more punch. Although the way they wrote their personalities it works better this way, so Kaede would have needed to grow into her role a bit more and Shuichi would have needed to not.

I'm sad because I'm being reminded of how cool it was to be a protagonist who had a normal Ultimate talent instead of being some bullshit Ultimate talent that isn't real

I really wish the game had started with Shuichi and had Kaede as the sidekick, and then switched to Kaede having to take up the mantle of Ultimate Detective, fuck that would have been sooooooo good

also a 0% chance of Himiko surviving

BOY WON'T HE BE SURPRISED (to be fair, I was too, because it's fucking hilarious that Himiko survives what is otherwise a total bloodbath of a game)

They keep teasing the possibility of her dying, though, and I think they were doing it on purpose - she was made to look like someone who would be a victim who inexplicably lived because DRV3 is all about defying the expectations of a player who has played DR1 and DR2, something Anagram really failed to pick up on

MrSmartGuy posted...

Those are certainly some numbers that don't add up to remotely close to 100%.

If anyone says anything else about these numbers, I will..... uh...... not be very nice to them I guess.

Anagram forgot that every character has a 50% chance of dying or not dying, basic probability facts

Boy oh boy, Anagram sure did make some BAD "0%" predictions.

redrocket posted...

i mean it really needs to come with a cut to other taxes

oh yes of course, but we need an income tax to be able to cut other taxes

ugh we really need an income tax

The DR3 dub in general is great, I think. They really do a good job of giving it life and not taking it too seriously

Anyway, yeah, future arc is fucking terrible, and the brainwashing explanation for DR2 is also fucking terrible. Stuff I liked in DR3:

The forbidden action bracelets (I love how they foreshadow some of the forbidden actions, lots of clever stuff here)
Junko
Chiaki's death
The first killing game
Juzo, kinda
Chisa, kinda

Um, that's it. Everything else is a fucking nightmare, lol.

Anagram posted...

Translating the characters' titles as "Super High School-level" instead of "Ultimate" is hilarious, I have to assume that was to match lip flaps.

No, "Ultimate" was a localization in the first place. Super High School Level is the literal translation of their title in Japanese, which was THANKFULLY changed to Ultimate in the game localizations.

Junko's anime voice actress should be strangled to death.

Oh my god, what. Junko's voice actress in DR3 is like the one thing I come to DR3 for, lol. It's absolutely incredible to me how she takes a character I find really stupid in the games and makes her fun and lively - she's legit one of my favorite characters in the franchise in DR3 only! Seriously, I just love what they did with her in DR3 where she seems to have... an actually coherent personality and character motivations, as opposed to the games where she just seems like she's doing a schtick the whole time and has no personality of her own.

AdmittedFelon posted...

Obviously there are good rich people and bad rich people.

we clearly have strong disagreements on what is obvious

February to May probably won't be too bad - March and April can be very rainy but the weather will get cheerier compared to December and January which are slogs. Rain here, by the way, tends to be light and cold, and persistent. It tends to rain for the whole day when it rains, but it doesn't rain like it does in the eastern half of the US where it just pours down on you like a bucket, it's much more drizzly. It's not really as bad as it sounds and I think it can be quite pretty, but it does have a reputation for frequency and duration.

Parking in Seattle is not great, I share your anxiety about parking downtown. A possible option is to park at any number of park and rides on the outskirts of the city and take the bus - for instance, if I am going to Seattle, I will often park at Northgate and then take the bus to where I want to go. It's not cheap, but neither is parking in Seattle unless you're lucky and find good street parking, and it avoids the stress of driving around downtown. It's a possibility you may want to consider - the bus system in Seattle is pretty robust.

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(3) Samurai Jack
(10) Darkwing Duck
(2) Homestar Runner

Also yeah watch out for seasonal affective disorder here between the months of november and february, it's no joke. We do not get a lot of sunlight during those months.

The weather here between may and september is absolutely gorgeous though - one of the best places on earth to be.

masterplum posted...

Did I get ignored by para or does quoting someone ignored not show it.

if the first, lol ok

The latter

MawiIe posted...

Washington is an amazing place but Seattle is low key one of the most boring major cities in America.

If you're coming here from the midwest prepare to be looked at like a monster whenever you try to act warm or good natured.

Will dissent on these two points, Seattle is plenty interesting enough (I mean, it probably doesn't compare to New York or Chicago, but what are you gonna do) and I think people are mostly just distant rather than allergic to social contact at all.

Hey, I'm not super well-informed on housing or costs in the area but things I can say:

Cost of living goes up the closer you are to the city, especially as far as rent is concerned - Seattle is unfortunately well known for being pretty costly to live in. Don't know for sure how hard it'll be to find a place.

It does get cheaper the further out into the suburbs you go, but do keep in mind that this is a very car-necessary region. Seattle itself is a very walkable city (mind the hills though) and has really solid public transit (great busses) but the further out of the city you go the harder it is to get anywhere without a car. Options exist, but the vast majority of people who live here own a car. We are trying to build light rail and expand bus services to help with this but we're not there yet.

I think the region is pretty un-culture shocky, I don't know the midwest but probably the most notable thing here is the "Seattle freeze", people are polite but very quiet and don't approach each other as often - expect people to not greet you on the street too much, and friends are known to be sort of hard to make. It's not hostility, it's just social anxiety, mostly. People are nice.

That's really all of my vague advice, I'm really bad on the specifics, maybe others know more. I don't have any particular opinions on which areas are particularly bad or good to go. Aside from the caveats of being a bit costly and not super easy to get around I like the region a lot, can recommend it as a nice place to live.

Inviso posted...

Quick point on that article, but he calls himself a Las Vegas oddsmaker-turned conservative talk show host, not a CURRENT Las Vegas oddsmaker. I would take his opinion (which the article is labeled as such, on a website that lists a sidebar article of "What is George Soros' Plan B If Biden Loses?") more seriously if his financial well-being and the accuracy of his CURRENT job relied on him being right in this instance.

What article? Oh no, did someone post something stupid

KamikazePotato posted...

I was saying we were royally fucked since the day after election day. He's been worse than imagined, but not by much. I distinctly remember taking flack from users here about my 'alarmism'. Turns out I was right!

...hooray...

Certainly wasn't from me! This is pretty much how I imagined it would go, minus the pandemic part

Danganronpa is definitely the most long-winded of the series, which can be really annoying. Characters rarely just get to the fuckin' point.

Ace Attorney is a work of understated genius on this front - there is very little wasted space in the script and all the joking around between characters is largely optional.

I think 3-5 is great but I think they botched the ending. I think it sucks that Kaito just kind of gives up on the plan for no apparent reason after coming that far - I think 3-5 would have been a lot more satisfying if Kokichi and Kaito's plan WORKED, in one of two ways:

a) Everyone votes for Kokichi at the end, Monokuma confirms that it's correct and goes to execute the person in the mech, but Kaito pops out in a dramatic reveal at that moment, to the rest of the group's surprise, greatly upsetting the TV audience who realizes the game is rigged, and this makes K1-B0 go crazy instead which ushers 3-6 in a different way, with everything mostly going the same from that point.

b) The plan nearly reveals the game as a fraud, but Tsumugi is forced to take action to resolve the situation from the inside since Monokuma is unable to; Kokichi and Kaito are thwarted but ultimately score a victory in forcing Tsumugi to slip up in a way that is ultimately her grand downfall in 3-6.

I think either of these would be GREAT ways to tie 3-5 into the plot, but instead, 3-5... doesn't actually really accomplish anything, even though Kokichi and Kaito have a GENIUS plan that deserves to actually score some sort of small but decisive victory in ending Danganronpa. But it doesn't. I think that's such a huge missed opportunity.

UF8 posted...

a sad showcase of the petty and malicious nature of speedrunning

and i'm far from exclusively talking about the trash actions of the "alliance" here

uhhhh, yeah, ok

As I was watching the video, I found myself silently rooting for the underdog - at first that was the Alliance because it seemed like MR's quest for 32/32 was inevitable and their victories were incredibly hard fought, but as they kept stymieing him, MR became the underdog and I was rooting for him to pull it off in the end, which is what made this such a compelling narrative imo - the push and pull of who had the upper hand. But I mean, 'rooting' doesn't mean I saw the other side as villains, of course - that's just completely childish.

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(13) Sealab 2021

AA3 > AA6 > AA1 > AA2 > VLR > DRV3 > AAI2 > AA5 > DR2 > 999 > PLvPW > DR1 > AAI1 > ZTD > AA4

Ace Attorney >>> Zero Escape > Danganronpa

ZE and DR are pretty close for me. I think the games are on similar footing (I love VLR and DRV3, I like 999 and DR2, I don't think highly of DR1 and ZTD), but overall I just prefer ZE's style, I don't like most of DR's cast and its general vibe that much and that kinda hurts it for me.

Ace Attorney crushes them both even if it were just the first three games

I really like Pramila Jayapal, I feel like she weirdly doesn't get as much press as she ought to even though she's like basically an honorary squad member (progressive woman POC in the house, just came two years earlier)

Ghost Trick is good enough to belong in the same canon as AA/ZE/DR

Uhhh... maybe Hotel Dusk/Last Window? They're a little more lowkey though

Many people liked AI: The Somnium Files but I did not

complete fucking mystery to me how the EC isn't a problem for foolmo's third party mentality when it allows the country to round 7 million votes down to 0

UshiromiyaEva posted...

What are they even trying to accomplish by doing this in New York?

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1322996649430581248?s=19

I mean, they're trying to cause havoc like usual, they want people to know they're in charge

foolm0r0n posted...

The EC is only a problem to those who think Democrats should be able to ignore small states in presidential elections.

lol

so I shouldn't vote biden because democrats shouldn't take my vote for granted, instead I should vote for a third party regardless of how shitty their candidates are and whether or not they're trying to win my vote. mmhmm got it

Hbthebattle posted...

why the fuck are there so many provisions in the constitution designed to benefit miniscule states

Slavery