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Also you're arguing a flavor godfather can't exist today. If that's the case you also vote me yesterday cause there is no chance Harry Potter is scum if you don't believe flavor godfathers exist.

Your thought process today does not line up with someone who would delegate to Puns if I was on the block. If you believe what you claimed, I am an easy lynch yesterday.
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Obellisk posted...

Puns, Sheep and Ulti weren't lynching you.

... What? Sheep and Ulti were voting me.

I am not manipulating anything. If you were so sure I was scum as a town player you lynch me yesterday. That's not manipulation. That's what you'd expect from a town player who has "suspected me all game." ESPECIALLY since two scum remaining was a realistic possibility to the three of you yesterday if there was any doubt I was town.
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Currently 8-2 with this stupid Wesker deck and once again climbing

I think it's worse than my Dante deck but it's better vs the meta in this tier. Heavy use of revenge and use Uroboros to reanimate the 10 cost Epic Bison, who seems to actually be about worth his 10 cost he gives you so much board control between being a beefy sob and reanimating someone with +2/+2 when he dies

Also I've never seen anyone play Wesker like this so it probably throws people off
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Obellisk posted...

Pretend I just quoted 3 Lopen posts and then made a snappy remark that means nothing.

How did what I say mean nothing

You said town knows what they believe
You said you've believed I'm scum all game
You said "hey puns decide who I vote even though the guy I supposedly believed was scum all game is at -1"

It's really glaring. I'm cool with puns doing the diligence but you've buried yourself today. Had some doubts at first but your reaction to being voted is showing all sorts of contradictions.
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If you think I respect red's mafia play enough to take tips from him you're mistaken
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Obellisk posted...

Town knows what they believe.

Obellisk posted...

Then again, you are scum, and there are countless posts throughout this game where I continued to say I was wary of you. Argue I haven't been riding you all game and you will look foolish. I've done very very VERY little this game, except suspecting you. You have been my constant, even when your arguments have sometimes made sense.

Obellisk posted...

Puns your the boss here. Who do I vote. Final answer

Even SBell is arguing he's scum here.
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Obellisk posted...

I've done very very VERY little this game, except suspecting you. You have been my constant, even when your arguments have sometimes made sense.

Like is this what a guy who had me on the chopping block yesterday would honestly say? You can't be sure you're right here, otherwise you'd have been sure yesterday. You said it yourself you never expressed any suspicion of Sheep
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And what I'm getting at is if you're so sure I am the scum why not just lynch me yesterday? You could have. You easily could have. This amount of certainty is unbecoming of your play up until this point.
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Obellisk posted...

You've always been a conspiracy throwing fear monger. That's literally been your entire game.

Except yesterday right?

Here's a question. You've been falling back to puns as your parrot vote. If he comes to the conclusion that say Ulti is the likely scum, do you vote him or do you maintain your conviction on me?
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Here are things I know I believe

I believe deciding who Tom successfully kill blocked is the easiest way to solve the game as there was one scum left at that time

I believe you, SBell, are by far the most likely target of the four of us, as you had documented suspicion from Tom and he may have wanted to make good for stopping the flavor cop from scanning you

I believe there are cases for Puns and Ulti being scum as well, so there is a chance of me being wrong here, so if you're town you should actually put effort into finding scum here instead of just countervoting.

I believe overall you have the strongest case, even ignoring the Tom thing. "I'm bad town" can only work so long. These past few days have not have a ton of content to digest so you could have made some attempt to go back and solve, or even absorb and process the current days at least

Yesterday you even said I made sense for most of the day there. A stark contrast from you flipping back on saying I'm a conspiracy throwing fearmonger today. I suspect it's because I was trying to path me -> Puns as a lynch path which is two non you lynches.
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Obellisk posted...

It's all "Maybe?" and "Who knows?".

Town knows what they believe.

Scum knows what they want You to believe.

So I'm neither then? Since those words imply I don't know and both town and scum know?

Town knows what they believe if they're overconfident. Scum are actually the only ones who know the actual game state. Doubt isn't a scummy thing.
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Anyone who comes here willingly has a mental health issue of some sort it's just whether they're in denial about it or not
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If you really like their bit Hitchcock seems like the main guy of the two and Scully is sorta just there for the ride. I could see it.
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Holt > Diaz > Terry > Gina > Jake > Santiago > Hitchcock > Scully > Boyle

Think Boyle is the only one I'm on the fence of whether I even like him. Rest of the cast is excellent.
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Ironically I like Gina more than most of the cast and the main thing holding her back from being in the running for best character is the over the top and zany stuff, which is just too ridiculous for me generally.
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Obellisk posted...

You were my first scum suspect and then I backed off. Ive said we should lynch you and you were manipulating this entire game.

I am town. I am worthless town but town none the less.

You spent the game filling everyone's heads with ridiculous theories and putting ideas in people's heads which lead to countless mislynches.

Also note facts here

1. I have argued against most of the mislynches this game
2. He hasn't actually been pushing my lynch this entire game. He made some weak push day 1 and backed off in a hurry, ignored me until yesterday. Ulti could make that argument, but not SBell.
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Also SBell if I am wrong, you need to be looking into convincing me I am. Mindless countervote loses town the game if you're town. Being worthless should not be something to be proud of, and this is the time of the game you can redeem yourself.
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Also note even SBell believes in the flavor godfather theory. He's trying to argue a triceratops being a flavor godfather when if I was scum I could just fakeclaim something.

SCUMSLIP CAUSE HE KNOWS THERE IS A FLAVOR GODFATHER MAYBE?? WHO KNOWS??
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No explanation for huck finn guy to be scum. If you want to lynch me for inability to justify flavor being scum in a game where Voldemort is town then you go ahead and do that chief.

You've been so desperate to vindicate your thought that I've been scum this whole game that you've been reaching super hard for it at every turn. Already told you why soul mafia and FFVII mafia don't apply here-- third party vs scum or vice versa is basically the same as town. Also you searching those games for parallels is laughable. You can find parallels from any game to any game if that's what you're going in with the explicit purpose of doing, which you clearly were. It was never with an unbiased look-- otherwise you'd have looked at some games where I was town too.

If you honestly think my play this game has been scummier than SBell's you need town lessons for many reasons beyond being able to Dr House. But forget the play. Does Tom Bombadil using the thumb thing on me over SBell make sense? That really should be the number one thing you should be considering here. Also consider he had used it on me previously-- giving him even less incentive to use it on me as he survived that night.
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Oh you played against my deck I see
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Honestly I really don't think this will change. No hammer risk anyway so I'm putting my vote out there continuing to follow the mantra of what would Tom do.

##Vote: No Lynch

Er... that's not it.

##Unvote:
##Vote: SBell

I am open to hearing other arguments but at the moment I'm confident enough this is right.
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Man imagine if it was SBell though

We would have been SO close to a flawless victory since he came kinda close to lynch on day 3
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Also recall SBell was trying to get 5tarscream lynched with the worst logic ever. I mean say what you want about me and Benjamin but Benjamin wasn't confirmed in like 9 ways. Course that plays into I think it was to draw the scan
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So I haven't looked at previous days and won't until tomorrow since I'm on mobile, but my initial thinking is as such

Support for Ulti as scum
- Has not pushed any lynches hard. Generally parks his votes on suspects and leaves it at that.
- Forced logic for voting, pretty often. Doesn't feel honest with his vote posts. Like the vote for voting's sake is first and the words are there as dressing.
- No kill meta favors him a decent amount.

Support for SBell as scum
- Has not done anything of use
- Straight up has just played follow the leader the past few days with votes, no accountability
- Three lynch train on day 3 seemed to have suspicious distribution over time on MZero vs SBell, with Death and SBell pushing MZero at around the same time
- Tom had some suspicions of him, and Chris had me puns and Ulti on his town list which Tom called reference to. Also 5tar attempted to scan SBell the night Tom thumbed 5tar, which may have caused Tom to be further inclined to thumb SBell
- I feel he has played this game in a fashion to intentionally draw scans to clear himself, which would play into him being a super godfather

Honestly everything considered I think it favors SBell. I keep coming back to Tom's successful kill block and I really do think that's the way to solve the game the easiest, and SBell looks like a much more likely target for it than any of us.
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I dunno. Isn't it? I mean I feel like Shadow Blade is probably better but maybe not. No idea what the actual high level meta is in this game but Morrigan seems pretty strong

Made a Ryu deck that has 25 black cards in it and is basically a Wesker deck. Metsu Shoryuken on Revenge Guys is pretty strong so it works alright. It's fun facing Weskers in ranked with it. About the same win rate as my Dante deck so far-- does better against black dragon but worse against Morrigan. Seem like at this tier 90% of the matches are those two or Ryu.
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True enough

So if we lose to SBell we blame Ulti, and we lynch Ulti so we can't lose to him

I just solved the game
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I almost want to lynch SBell on principle just cause if he is the scum I really don't want to have lost to an entire game of "uh yuk I deserve to die no doubt about it"

At least there's some dignity in losing to Ulti or Puns, ya know?

Then again I'll just blame you guys I tried to lynch him many a time!!!
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Morrigan
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Because I believe in no kill meta yes. Puns has a super easy path to winning through mislynching me.

Hell he could probably shoot me and get one of you two to lynch each other if he was feeling cocky
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UltimaterializerX posted...

This reads like you suspect Puns, would kill me, and try to convince Stu to vote Puns in a final 3.

I think convincing puns to kill Sbell is significantly easier if I'm scum.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Puns? ....man. That is such a hard pill to swallow.

How did you get that. It's not more likely puns.

In terms of no kill making sense as a play.

It's you > SBell >> puns > me.

SBell probably has at least some hesitation in putting himself with me and you, even though it is favorable. Puns saying I'm less likely scum than SBell probably gives SBell some pause. Also I managed to at least sorta get you off my leg yesterday. He might consider it risky to make a kill and put it at 4. I think he does kill puns though.

Puns gladly accepts a win by killing SBell and ending me using you as the tool of his injustice.

There's no way I don't kill you. Me/puns/SBell I can try and swing that.

Of course if you want to say this is some 4th dimensional chess fakeout you can but I mean, I have no idea why you think I'd make it so complicated though. You and SBell both have negative affinity to me this game and I mean, I did try and lynch puns yesterday. Puns saying SBell should be lynched if Sheep flips town seems winnable.

I mean this could be some super advanced WIFOM play but I'm not convinced a scum expects me to zone in on no kill being so significant here.

It really should be between you and SBell right now, in my estimation. Cause I believe in no kill meta. But it's not clear cut enough for me yet to vote just on that.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

So I will ask you, again, who do you think is more likely scum among Puns or Stu?

I've already answered this in a post you quoted.
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Puns said yesterday he suspected SBell more than me actually. If I'm scum I definitely kill you and try to roll with that. You're dead weight as far as any lynch that isn't on me goes, because you've been mindlessly charging me the whole game even when it doesn't make sense.

At first I thought that was just you playing poorly, but at this point in the game it seems somewhat likely you were just parking your suspicions on someone who is difficult to lynch to give the illusion you're being active. If that's the case, well played. If not, then try and figure out the day. This is your last chance.
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I guess technically Cam I did not call as obvtown because Cam + Sheep team made some sense (though I did go harder for Sheep). Though I will say I had been against lynching Lea + Cam as a lynch path because it seemed too obvious
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UltimaterializerX posted...

So who of Puns or Stu is scum then?

Which do you think?
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UltimaterializerX posted...

In fact why DID you lynch Sheep? You called his role a flavor trap and then lynched him. If youre town, you really need to help me understand this before explaining how Puns or Stu could possibly be scum.

The alternative is me being lynched and then puns being lynched through martyrdom-- between Sheep afking and puns posts arguing for Sheep and WHAT WOULD TOM TAUNT I lost sufficient conviction to gamble on that

And again I never called him a flavor trap for sure. I said the game setup is more balanced if he's a flavor trap than a flavor hint if 5 scum, and 5 scum seemed likely.

Also I was right on red and on a lot of "this is clearly scum pushing a lynch on town calls (like Lea, Cam, dowolf, mzero). Arguably those two things make me more right than any of you so far. Depends how many demerits trying to lynch Ben gives, I suppose.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

The other question is how was Lopen SO sure one scum is left?

Because I'm not scum and double flavor godfather is stupid

As I said 10 times yesterday
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Honestly if it was SBell he probably kills Puns and autolynches me through Ulti too

I think Ulti makes the most sense that in mind. Most town cleared guy in general so convincing everyone to lynch him seems most difficult.

But WIFOM right???
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I think trying to determine who would be most likely to no kill in this situation will give us a hint as to who the scum are.

I feel if it was puns he would just kill SBell and autolynch me through Ulti

I feel if it was me I'd kill Ulti because he has seemed autolynch on me. Would take my chances convincing Puns to lynch SBell or vice versa.

Thusly I think it's most likely to be SBell or Ulti. What say you people.
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Toughest deck for me tends to be the black dragon, which is funny because I was making fun of him earlier. They rush with a bunch of life loss creatures and then kill what little units I have with his spikes special.

Morrigan is probably about 50-50 despite complaining about it. If they have the destroy units with halt special I tend to autolose if they're running a similar deck to mine, and the other two specials as said are also better (I think Shadow Blade is her best overall but not as good against my deck in particular)
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Snrkiko posted...

my profile shows 70 wins in ranked but doesn't show how many total games I've played. am i missing something?

Battles per hero, below the ranked wins, is what I'm using. Battles 100 wins 70.
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Yeah. Ryu is the one matchup where the double resonate actually matters since you need to outpace his bazillion direct damage to keep your units alive. Overall Dante probably has trouble with Ryu too though if you're not running E + I.

But even if you are it can be difficult. The units and hero arts not being able to be responded to makes it hard sometimes.
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Now 70-30 in first 100. Once I hit B ranks I stopped winning the strong majority.

Stuck in B-5 p much my win rate is around 50% here. Now the fact that Morrigan is just better than Dante is really starting to show. Finding a lot of decks similar to mine but they use Morrigan and all of her arts are better than Ebony + Ivory even in a resonate deck. Realistically if you can keep a resonate unit on the field long enough to exploit Ebony and Ivory you can win even without double. Although I did have a funny win where I beat a Morrigan who was at 27 life and with a 28 power Hsien Ko (she stalled her with halt for a year) in one shot when I was at 1 life so sometimes it matters I guess.

I wonder if Quicksilver actually is viable. It's just so expensive.
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XIII_rocks posted...

This idea that it's just down to a liberal/conservative bias is even more absurd than Lopen's "easy target" thing.

I agree with that. Vocal conservatives are easier targets generally. Just a correlation would be surprised if it's politically motivated.
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mnkboy907 posted...

One preview mentioned that the students you temporarily recruit for a month can appear in the story segments if they're relevant,

Random side characters actually appearing in story segments is what I've wanted most in Fire Emblem. I hope they really run with that
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Dante
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I just wanted to hear what you were spending 5 minutes on. In case you weren't

You know, for solving.
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I suspect that was not the argument and some other thought since it read like a non-sequitur
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