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So when I think you're the scum after thinking sheep was yesterday it's contradictory scum play.

When you completely flip tone on me in the span of 15 minutes it's being fluid.

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I mean, it should only be if you're seriously humoring that it's possible. Otherwise it's just insincere.

Like you literally said this to two scanned players. That's feels like you're just saying words that sound nice for your vote speech and not actually things that your thoughts are.
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I was actually expecting similar looking at conspicuous lack of cards, but figured Black would be Akuma

I guess more Darkstalkers before a third SF could be a good guess though.
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turbopuns3 posted...

You mean when I said I was acting under the strict assumption that they were not the scum team

You said "if you guys are the scumteam you played well!!!" but it isn't even a matter of playing well. They just couldn't be from revealed roles and such. Double flavor godfather + backup is just stupid enough that you can discard it, particularly since we have double flavor miller

turbopuns3 posted...

It's easily possible from known info that scum could be SBell/Lopen. (If you think otherwise I don't care.)

Similarly me + SBell cannot be unless you think double godfather makes sense. It's not a matter of "think otherwise." You're simply not trying to figure the game out if you're humoring some of these combinations. The game has so many scan results on the board that you don't need "reads" to rule out a lot of possibilities.

turbopuns3 posted...

maybe I'm just a fuck up? Nope, just automatically scum apparently.

So am I delusional contradiction hunting scum desperate for a mislynch or did you make a mistake? Your tone isn't consistent here.
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Yeah. And I asked what you were thinking yesterday, not today

You know, when you implied that SBell+ Ulti might be the scumteam. A combination that is basically impossible cause of double flavor clear?
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turbopuns3 posted...

There literally does not exist a scum team without you on it

No shit. What I've been saying all day! Two scum I have to be on it.
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turbopuns3 posted...

Did you just ask, why would I consider a possible scenario?

Yes. Because it's actually quite unlikely that neither would be scum if you knew you were town. Flavor clears and such make it really difficult for the scumteam to not be 2/3 of Cam/Sheep/me
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turbopuns3 posted...

That would be what I mean when I say "plan"

You can just lynch me instead of making these passive aggressive jabs that this is some mastermind scum gambit. I wish to be lynched.
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turbopuns3 posted...

I was considering worst case where they are both town.

Why would you consider that? Who is the likely scumteam then?
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I mean I'm noticing a lot of subtle "Sheep is scum" and you were leaning him yesterday. So you're saying that you had no plans to lynch him today? I can be right about that plan, it actually do

esn't make you scum for me to be right about that. It's the reasons I attributed to you doing so that makes you scum. Lynching sheep by itself that really isn't too weird.
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Also there are only 5 people in the game. You're saying you had no lean on who was scum of those 4 that aren't you with a whole night to think about it? That thinking about the game during night phase, or hell, the day before, is scummy? Eh?
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You tell me why town Puns would do it. Removing 'a distraction' makes no sense so do better.
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You say I didn't see it. Who was your plan today before I took all your attention. Wow me.
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Because it's more internally consistent with your in game logic until that point

Scum Puns knows Voldemort is flipping town and that it's easily parlayed into a Harry Potter mislynch

Town Puns goes with the higher percentage to be scum play and doesn't care about removing a "distraction" because if he's scum it doesn't matter if he's a distraction and if he's town Puns Lopen and Cam can potentially figure out the game no matter how stubborn Ulti and SBell are.
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Well actually it was the vote too but that's just cause lynching Cam makes no sense given your stance on him this game and the fact you expressed suspicion in Sheep

But again that's more the logic or lack thereof behind the vote than voting town in and of itself
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turbopuns3 posted...

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How about you explain this

Are you saying there is an argument to be made for lynching town being right?

Are you suggesting if I vote for town in a town/town lynch then I am scum?

(Yes. You are.)

My issue has never been the vote it's been the post with the vote

Still never justified lynching Cam btw. Hint none of the justifications in the post work
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I've already told town the smart move is to lynch me today. Only lynch Puns if you're 100% I'm town. We have two chances to win in that case.

But with a two mafia team I'd literally have to be one.
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I'm not hostile I'm just solving the game. I didn't lie about you being contradictory or dismiss you as amusing! I've treated you as a worthy caught opponent!
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turbopuns3 posted...

How about you explain this

Are you saying there is an argument to be made for lynching town being right?
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Also on a side note I don't see town puns as being so hostile and dismissive here. Realistically this game is a difficult solve. Probably a town puns is doing more repenting for his vote, rather than trying to claim I'm contradictory here.

Think about who the likely people on town Puns scum radar should be given he's scum and his previously expressed suspicions. A town puns is pretty sure Sheep has to be scum, and is thinking more along the lines of "my bad" here
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Please explain the valid reasons for lynching Cam because they were not present in your vote post
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Also notice that despite having no time today he spent half an hour flailing at me to remove the vote

He could spend that time saying who he thought was scum since he said he wanted to do that. Any opening thoughts

This is a man who had no gameplan of how to finish the game through finding scum. This is a man who wanted to just go sheep->lopen->home. Very easy. With you and SBell here putting me last is very simple. With sheep on table after Voldemort flips, that's also very simple. That's why lynching Voldemort first was so important.

Another reason 5 scum with this setup is viable if you assume Sheep is town. Harry Potter claim with Voldemort on the field as town is such a trap lynch.
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Sorry phone.

2. Knows I didn't consider Cam autolynch so with him + me + Cam Cam wasn't autolynch
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Come on. Reread the vote he made

Consider

1. He's been defending Cam all game
2. He knows I didn't consider Cam autolynch and with him
3. Explicitly says sheep is more likely to be scum
4. Panders to you and SBell
5. Humors you and SBell as scum when he himself earlier pointed out how dumb two godfathers + backup would be

He did the exact same thing with Lea the previous day too. He's been lynching the easy flowchart targets and explaining it away with probabilities and excuses rather than conviction they're scum.

This is not a guy who is solving the game.

Throw in the pointless early miller claim and redlike excuse idling tendencies. Name anyone he's tried to get lynched this game.

He's clearly the guy
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UltimaterializerX posted...

So here's where I'm currently at. By sheer math, lack of a current hammer, and process of elimination, Lopen and/or Stu has to be scum if there are two mafia left.

Also seriously? How is and/or Puns not on this process of elimination? Scum can't hammer scum!
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5+1 is also viable though

Does anyone want to claim survivor I swear I won't lynch you
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Is a 6 man team with 2 (3 with backup?) godfathers balanced to you, with 2 flavor millers? Sounds too strong in favor of mafia to me.

5 man team with one godfather I think is plausible. Amusingly I could see the role working like Puns was claiming Lea's role would work, where you choose the flavor of your godfather and Puns chose that author as a pocket survivor claim or something when he scans as scum. I dunno. That may be reaching a bit. 2 scum really doesn't make sense though. Like, I said the only plausible combinations of two man teams involve me-- but I'm also cleared by cop scan, meaning it'd have to be godfather + flavor godfather if you go that route. So you need to kill me, in any case.

Anyway I'm mostly on the idea that two flavor godfathers is stupid. Well that and I KNOW I'M TOWN but yeah. Two flavor godfathers would make our flavor scanner more of a liability than anything considering Doom + Voldemort, so I'm discarding that as a possibility. One perfect godfather seems likely, all things considered.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

I could have sworn Corrik said his role was infinite, which is why he suspected Lolo. He brought up the soft lock.

He did then he corrected himself after host confirm. Otherwise he would've tried to play the soft lock since Corrik hit Lolo with a protect one of the nights.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

It's why two godfathers in whatever alignment you want plus the backup isn't impossible anymore. A 5 man mafia team against all that is insanely skewed against the mafia team, and I trust Han to understand things like this given how good a player he is and how this game sat around for ten years.

You can't have a 5 man mafia team and two godfathers + backup

Why? Because 4 mafia have flipped LOL

Don't overthink it. If there are two godfathers + backup it's a 6 mafia team.
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I think Puns is scum and there's one scum left

Ergo all the rest of you must be town. I think if you think two scum is possible you have to lynch me today. It's the only lynch that makes sense.

By the way I think you're overestimating the amount of town power-- particularly considering we arguably had two flavor millers. Corrik's ability only saves someone one night so Corrik + Lolo isn't really that good, and I'd probably rather have an actual doctor that can stop kills
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/77841506/924290100
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/77841506/924290846
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/77841506/924289604

Here are the old vote total posts I made.

Frankly there isn't a lot to glean from the last two days. Looking like a lot of town + town lynches. Makes sense if you've got one scum left though.

(4) Cam: (Ulti), SBell, Sheep, Ulti, puns
(3) Sheep: Lopen, 5tar, (Cam), Cam

And

Lea(4): (Lopen), (Ulti), (Sheep), (5tar), (puns), Cam, Sheep, (puns), (Ulti), Ben, puns
Sheep(3): (Lea), (Lopen), (Lea), (Ben), Sbell, (Lopen), (Lea), Lea, Lopen
Cam(1): (Ulti), (Lea), (Ulti), (Lea), (Ulti), (Lea), (Lea), Ulti
SBell(0): (puns), (Lopen), (Sheep), (Lopen), (puns)
Lopen(0): (Sheep), (Cam)

Only real point of interest regarding vote logs on Pun's case is that Death and Puns jumped on opposite lynches on the town/town day 3 at about the same time, likely one of the votes is reactive to keep the scum split on lynches-- will be interested to follow his logic for voting on Lolo there.
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And by town I mean scum

Sorry scumslip 4 scum are remaining we're doomed
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I think if you've got a strong theme in the scumteam and scans that are clearly not in that theme it's effectively a flavor godfather. I would chastise Han's balancing if any of those flavor scans were town at this point.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Just from a pedantic standpoint, how can an anxiety disorder not be a mental illness?

All sorts of things can cause anxiety to the point where it'd be classified as a disorder and a lot of it is just life being hard. It really doesn't have to be caused by a wacky brain chemistry thing.
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So because I'm town, the answer is there's only one mafia left.

Because there's only one mafia left, puns makes the most sense by far with his moves the past few days, his early fruitless miller claim, and general coasting on "I'm BUSY GUYS"
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Lopen posted...

Group A
Puns = flavor cleared
Ulti = flavor cleared
Sheep = flavor cleared

Group B
Me = scan cleared

Group C
SBell = scan cleared + flavor cleared

This is important.

Group B is me alone. You can't have me with SBell then you'd have two godfathers. You also can't have any combination of 2 from any of you four because you're all flavor cleared. Two flavor godfathers? Give me a break.
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If it's clear, lynch me! I just gave you guys the flowchart up there. No 2 man scumteam that doesn't include me makes any sense. The answer is there's only one scum. If you think there are two and lynch me, that's fine. But if you think there are actually two you should never not lynch me.
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If you're town you should see me as scum. Look at that list up there. I have to be scum if there are two scum left. That's just basic solving.
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You didn't do it to save your scumbuddy you did it because you don't have a scumbuddy and you needed a roadmap to an easy finish. Cam => Sheep => Lopen is much easier than Sheep => Cam => Lopen because Cam wasn't necessarily an autolynch because Lopen wasn't totally sold on Cam.

Anyway just go hang out with your girlfriend if you're not going to do something that isn't fearmonger me. Like you wanna share your scumspects just do it instead of complaining about me not caring about seeing em.
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Well, I would argue it is as much as the things I mentioned, particularly when you weigh that it's often accompanied by depression and suicidal thoughts. I will note I don't consider anxiety disorders or even depression unilaterally to be a sign of mental illness though so take that as you will.
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If you're town and there are two scum left who is the scum team if I'm also town?

Sbell + Sheep is not viable
Sbell + Ulti is not viable (another part of your vote post that was suspicious-- you saying "well if you guys are the scumteam you did well!" when it's impossible)

I feel completely fine here, thanks.
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turbopuns3 posted...

Hey einstein how about we don't sling votes instantly today

If I get hammered, well, I made the wrong call (looking at the clears it's basically impossible, though) but my vote is locked in, so no real reason to put it off.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Isnt Stu also flavor cleared? I swear we had a big discussion about Huck Finn with him.

... oh, yeah, he is.

Group A
Puns = flavor cleared
You = flavor cleared
Sheep = flavor cleared

Group B
Me = scan cleared

Group C
SBell = scan cleared + flavor cleared

So yeah, definitely feeling puns is the one remaining scum the more I look at it. I just don't see two scum as viable with those clears, for obvious reasons (I KNOW I'M TOWN).

Though, if you think I'm scum, well, me + anyone remaining makes some sense. So if you don't believe me, lynch me over sheep, is all I'm saying. Me flipping town will at least give the DOUBT on puns some weight. I don't see puns not walking to an easy win without it.
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I was for lynching sheep but I just can't see town puns making that vote with that post. It's just too compelling to the point where I'm questioning the read on sheep. And town voldemort + trap vanilla harry potter would just throw another layer of doubt and deception on the game that makes 5 scum viable.

There's also puns early miller claim that he bailed on that he had no real reason to make as town, along with his general lack of attention to the game-- the autopilot red tactic as it were.

Puns has had a "town" look but he just hasn't had a lot of content to screw up on, to be honest. He hasn't been here most of the game, and most of his content has been in town reading players or lightly agreeing with pushes that are already in place

I'm going to get some vote logs for us to digest in a bit. Well, probably not till tomorrow morning, honestly.
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I think it's unlikely but potentially plausible

Here's the thing

Group A
Puns = flavor cleared
You = flavor cleared
Sheep = flavor cleared

Group B
Me = scan cleared
SBell = scan cleared

So any scumteam would have one from group a, one from group b, most likely. Puns + Sbell seem most likely as the scumteam I think if there are two. I honestly kinda think it's just one left at the moment, though. I don't know why I think that, but it just feels more right given Puns's play. With all the role confusion crap and weak protection and whatnot, it's potentially balanced.

That's why I'm risking this-- I think Puns has set up an excellent final 3 he can't possibly lose by pandering to you + SBell who inherently have been against me this whole time, and by setting up a mislynch on sheep here-- it's town + town but he saw that I was not necessarily going to vote Cam, and that a voldemort town flip would make Sheep look bad, so it's a very flowchart game to lynch Sheep -> Me for the win.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Like I guarantee you someone with like, major social anxiety issues or depression isn't going to be able to compete in sports even if they're athletic enough.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2792241-blake-griffin-on-going-to-therapy-theyre-helping-you-find-those-answers

Not to belittle his problems but I doubt they're anywhere near the level of stuff that trans people are going through. You wouldn't even get to the NBA. You just wouldn't have the sustained composure to hack it that long.

Like I consider myself fairly well behaved mentally and even I've had "bouts with depression" before. Depression is not some sorta thing that everyone experiences equally.
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##Vote: Turbopuns3

I know this is likely suicidal but that vote post was the scummiest thing I've ever seen, and not just because he got it wrong. It's why he got it wrong. There's no way he votes Cam to "remove a distraction" when he'd been against Sheep and, frankly, for Cam being town all game

He also actively panders to Ulti and SBell, no doubt two he's read as people who are not really trying to digest the game much.

Again, this probably gets me killed, but I'm just hoping Sheep is actually town at this point and there's only one scum left.
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skullbone posted...

For people who have also played Hearthstone, how would you compare decks in this game? It seems like red is the hunter smorc face desks but are there any other comparisons that can be made? I know the mechanics are completely different so something like control warrior is a little harder to replicate but what do you guys think?

Red is aggro
Green is about maintaining fatties mostly
Purple is control based
Black is suicidal with some control elements

I don't know about specific decks since I haven't played hearthstone in forever but I'd say as far as classes go you're looking at this as the closest idea

red -> hunter/mage (lots of burn so you can play it a bit more controlly if you want to)
green -> druid
purple -> rogue
black -> warlock

No idea where warrior/control warrior fit. If you tell me what the deck in Hearthstone typically does I could take a guess but yeah.

I guess green and purple both have elements of priest in them too. Not sure where shaman goes really.
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