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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 8:10:34 PM
#389
Puns do you actually intend to share your notes with us at any point or what. I was under the impression you were going to and walk us through your process.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 8:07:49 PM
#388
The best case I have for it being Ulti is him seeming to play a reactive game with you right now

But you've sorta been keeping your feelings close to your chest too for way later than I feel you should were you going pro-town so it applies equally to you. All I know is I'm skittish it's actually SBell right now because of you two clowns not only keeping your vote off but keeping your suspicions off.

Also Ulti said he feared a Lopen/Puns/Ulti final 3 cause he couldn't outplay us both. I guess that's something.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 8:01:30 PM
#379
I also said dowolf seemed like a SK kill IIRC
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 7:52:06 PM
#371
Obellisk posted...
They find voldemort probably think SK and maybe try to force his lynch only to discover town.


Seems very powerful for a 5/21 man scum team to get red herring lynch traps with their flavor scanner. But hey they can find that bodyguard and that mayor
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 7:45:14 PM
#366
Do you think a scum book reader makes sense in this game given what the flavors ended up being?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 7:39:57 PM
#364
UltimaterializerX posted...
So for Stu to be scum, it means Pez sent in the kill that night, they kept Stu home for the long game plan when everyone was calling him scum, and Pez's role was not used in the intended way.


What was the "intended way?"

What information do you think a scum book reader gets that outweighs risking a godfather track/watch?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 7:03:30 PM
#350
turbopuns3 posted...
Honestly Lopen, your voting from the hip in endgame is not normal. Not saying it's the worst thing ever or that you can't be right, but taking full time is typical.


Votes are one thing, but I'm the only one driving any discussion whatsoever, here. You're sifting through earlier game stuff and Ulti is waiting for you to sift through earlier game stuff. Seems like one of you wants to react to the other one. It's unsettling.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 6:55:20 PM
#346
turbopuns3 posted...
Lopen what was the point of all your survivor references last day


5+1 seemed like a balanced setup and SBell's play seems like a jackass survivor. If SBell was a jackass survivor him just admitting it would have let me feel better about Sheep's lynch. If it's just 5 and not 5+1 then the "flavor trap" angle on Sheep has more merit because scum needs some help for that to not be harsh to them.

Obellisk posted...
Not sure if trying to slip me up and make me look like scum or if you are trying to get me to think you aren't scum and I should lynch someone else.

So confused by your actions today.


Either works. If you're town you're playing poorly (and it's not just because "I know I'm town") and you should try and figure out the game. If you're scum then I'm trying to get you to look worse. I think I've succeeded in the latter to some extent but on the other hand Puns + Ulti playing the day like they want to hammer the other one when they vote is understandably giving me doubt.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 6:42:36 PM
#342
Obellisk posted...
You however, you can't kill me and have thought for one second that you were safe.


Well hey you figured out where I was trying to lead you.

It doesn't really make sense for you think you'd die if you actually thought I was the scum, does it?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 6:33:12 PM
#340
Obellisk posted...
Son of a bitch, I'm still alive...


Yes that was a reaction you had. But why would you, who has been a worthless lump all game, be killed?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 6:30:34 PM
#338
I certainly did. But it was only through you arguing to lynch sheep and sheep's relative inactivity that made me doubt enough to abort the mission. If sheep is less conspicuously inactive or you continue to freak out because of my vote on you, how do I escape the suicide mission I wonder?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 6:17:50 PM
#336
UltimaterializerX posted...
Lopen posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
I think thats a lie or you wouldnt have bothered trying, bro.


So you think I'm delusional about my skill? It wasn't even remotely close. How am I going to flip two guys who said I was scum and the guy I'm arguing for is town?

Its VERY easy to say this after the fact.


It's very easy to say it before the fact too, since the whole argument was structured on assumed failure. My whole approach was "don't lynch Sheep, lynch me if you won't lynch puns" What do you think the endgame was there?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 6:15:45 PM
#334
Obellisk posted...
Lopen posted...
So you think you're going to have the time to do that when you had no time to do any of that in the last, I don't know, 3 or 4 in game days? So like, the past week and a half?


Well once I was double scanned I really was just hoping to die.


Do you think you'll have time?

Why didn't you do anything during last in game day? It's near the end game then. Did you think you were going to get killed yesterday?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 6:12:53 PM
#332
UltimaterializerX posted...
I think thats a lie or you wouldnt have bothered trying, bro.


So you think I'm delusional about my skill? It wasn't even remotely close. How am I going to flip two guys who said I was scum and the guy I'm arguing for is town?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 6:10:34 PM
#331
So you think you're going to have the time to do that when you had no time to do any of that in the last, I don't know, 3 or 4 in game days? So like, the past week and a half?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 6:07:45 PM
#328
*I didn't think I could convince both you and SBell to vote puns yesterday.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 6:07:10 PM
#327
How about this: I don't I could convince both you and SBell to vote puns yesterday. Do you think I'm lying when I say this?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 6:02:42 PM
#325
What would you do?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 5:59:37 PM
#323
Obellisk posted...
Not sure exactly what research I can do to pursuade me to lynch either Ulti or puns. But I'd rather have a fair shot at not having us lose to scum


Humor me. What would you do and why isn't it something you could have at least started today?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 5:58:29 PM
#322
UltimaterializerX posted...
Lopen posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
I mean its what you were CLEARLY going for, and now youre throwing shade at him for rereading.


That's not what I asked. I'm asking if you thought I could do it considering I'd have to win one of you or SBell over to do it.

Anything is possible, yes.

Full disclosure: I was considering voting Sheep myself but Stu hammered early.


Getting you two to vote Puns. Not Sheep.
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TopicMost Quotable Media - SEMIFINALS: Star Wars / The Simpsons
Lopen
07/15/19 5:54:39 PM
#23
Star Wars

Simpsons has it beat in volume but Star Wars has more super memorable stuff.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 5:52:03 PM
#318
No response to my question and response to the silly post huh.

Disappointing.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 5:28:44 PM
#315
UltimaterializerX posted...
I mean its what you were CLEARLY going for, and now youre throwing shade at him for rereading.


That's not what I asked. I'm asking if you thought I could do it considering I'd have to win one of you or SBell over to do it.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 5:16:21 PM
#312
Ulti do you think I thought I'd convince anyone left in the game to lynch Puns yesterday?
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TopicAttn: Digi
Lopen
07/15/19 5:06:51 PM
#63
Surprised I'm on the list I feel out of place since I hardly interact with any of those users on that list, but thanks for remembering me. I guess it's just people who post at night, mostly? I used to do that more often.

But hey I remember you too in any case!
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 4:32:24 PM
#308
turbopuns3 posted...
Lopen posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
I recall Lopen not buying Bens claim and then saying he wanted to check the scans by lynching Ben first, which is just absurd


If SBell is the scum this game would've been much easier if we'd done that tbh.


I'm not following this, what do you mean


SBell would have been lynched days ago if he wasn't cop scanned. Before Cam and Lea for sure.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 4:26:46 PM
#306
Whatever. You claim you have something. I just want ulti to think what you claiming you have something all day and never actually giving us anything means, in a hypothetical.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 4:21:09 PM
#304
Really? Consider the implications of Puns choosing not to post anything while claiming he has a huge analysis to give us.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 4:11:41 PM
#302
Lopen posted...
Ulti if Puns hypothetically doesn't post anything from his notes before end of day and doesn't argue anyone, who do you end up voting?


Ulti can you answer this by the way
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 4:10:52 PM
#300
UltimaterializerX posted...
I recall Lopen not buying Bens claim and then saying he wanted to check the scans by lynching Ben first, which is just absurd


If SBell is the scum this game would've been much easier if we'd done that tbh.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 3:57:35 PM
#296
Like consider to yourself that I apparently made sense to you yesterday and you had begun to humor that I may be town. Is there a reason I make less sense to you today other than suspecting you? You're admitting you're having a terrible game. Surely town might think you're scum for that, right?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 3:53:45 PM
#295
Obellisk posted...
Lopen posted...
(like, the worst town player I've ever seen in any mafia game ever, btw, if he is)


Yeah I mean I literally came into this game saying I really meant to unsignup but the game started crazy fast. And then after the day one we had I was never going to amount to much this game.

I had a bad game. I'm the first to admit it. How does it make you feel to shit on me on top of that? Big man now Lopen?


I just want you to try the last day. Is it that hard? You can have a bad game but if your vote goes on the right person today it's all good. I'm pointing contradictions out in your logic in thinking I'm scum, and it makes me reaffirm to myself that you're scum. And sure, it could be that you're scum, or you could just be very very very lazy town. If you are actually town, you should really take it to heart and try. Saying "I had a bad game" is not an excuse. The game is still going.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 3:46:15 PM
#291
Ulti if Puns hypothetically doesn't post anything from his notes before end of day and doesn't argue anyone, who do you end up voting?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 3:40:23 PM
#289
I think everyone is a possible lynch right now. I'm not 'reading the room' and I'm not going to compromise on who I think is the right scum based on 1/3 odds of winning being better than 0/3, because having my vote on the scum in the end here is more important than avoiding certain death for my ego.

SBell is voting me, but if he's actually town (like, the worst town player I've ever seen in any mafia game ever, btw, if he is) he probably doesn't have any confidence in his reads right now and could move with a good enough argument.
Puns could suspect anyone and I wouldn't be super surprised.
And Ulti has at least claimed he's willing to lynch people that aren't me.

Me thinking SBell is the best choice has nothing to do with how easy he is to lynch. I also don't think that day 1 thumb exonerates SBell but it is something I'll consider depending on arguments people present.

Anyone going to do that anytime soon btw. There are 3 town in this game so having some time to digest and react to arguments is important. I've played my cards. SBell has played his. We're waiting on you guys to actually express some suspicions.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 486: Board 8 Does Dallas
Lopen
07/15/19 3:21:03 PM
#345
Jakyl25 posted...
You forgot Undertaker at Super Showdown.


Weren't you the one who was arguing with me that Greatest Royal Rumble was not a PPV

I know someone was
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 3:13:06 PM
#284
Also technically I wanted SBell to be lynched the day Lea was lynched I just had my vote on Sheep at end day because he was a better lynch than Lea

So maybe that one was right!
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 3:11:49 PM
#283
Who hasn't had PoEs of Town -> Town -> Town -> Town since Chris died.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 3:02:31 PM
#280
We're in a game where we've been running like chickens with our heads cut off due to "safe" default lynches of unscanned people in a game where a godfather hadn't flipped yet so u r rite.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 2:57:26 PM
#278
It doesn't change alignment on flip so it's only so disruptive. I think two godfathers of the same type is more bastard pretty easily yeah.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 2:47:34 PM
#274
turbopuns3 posted...
idk I think if I saw the letter g and then I saw Atticus Finch I know who I'd rather kill


If I saw Harry Potter and Sam I Am I know who I'd rather kill too.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 2:46:44 PM
#273
What is the likelihood that mafia book reader was some sort of trap and there was some sorta plan at making 5tarscream look like scum faking book reader, explaining SBell's attempted push to get him lynched first over Death, and to support SBell's attempt to cast shade on 5tarscream to bait a scan.

Do red or luis step in and say that's a bad plan it's too dumb?

Because man.

It is too dumb.

Btw SBell

Obellisk posted...
Because I trust puns to be town more than any remaining player. And town puns saved the day last game.


SBell I'll repeat the question. If puns comes to the conclusion Ulti is the scum, do you go to Ulti or do you stay on me?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 2:39:32 PM
#271
Or flavor scanner wasn't flavor scanner but something else.

That's my favorite theory. Because mafia book reader makes no sense at all. If anything it'd be a trap for mafia to use because the only function is they could use it to "clear" town, which would get them countered by the town book reader
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 2:10:35 PM
#260
It's not random and arbitrary. It's definitely meaningful. Just not autoclear to me-- I never said Tom likely thumbing SBell when he died should be the only case for lynching him, either.

There are just a lot of plausible explanations for why SBell as scum would not send the kill N1, especially if his role is complete scan nondetection.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 2:05:08 PM
#257
I think if SBell really is a super godfather you probably are risking losing the book scan N1. That's just me though.

Though Big Brother as some sort of deceptive role that doesn't flip as a deceptive role would make some sense. I dunno how common that is but like yeah, say he was a framer, him flipping as framer casts doubt on any guilty scans which kinda undermines the role.

I'm not going to get off SBell just for that in any case. I also kinda think that makes me look better because I'd been citing Tom's thumb as the way to solve the game for a while now so obviously I knew that SBell could not have sent the kill night 1 and just had a misunderstanding of how b8 setups worked from my previous games (I could have won as Sephiroth SO easy without that bs) which I wouldn't have if I was actually on the scumteam this applied to.

But WIFOM right <_<
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 1:50:35 PM
#251
turbopuns3 posted...
The B8 convention has always been that doubling up only is allowed when every single mafia member is already using some other ability. I don't think I've ever seen a host treat it any differently


So if you're saying that's actually true then N1 had to be someone that wasn't SBell.

Or scum skipped bookreading in the name of shooting with Pez.

Alternatively Big Brother wasn't actually a book reader (I still don't understand what utility a scum bookreader gives in this setup-- not one person's flavor has matched their role in any meaningful way) and that role reveal was just some wacky mind screw.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 1:34:31 PM
#248
Plenty of setups let the guy who sends the kill can also do his night action. FFVII mafia I was simultaneously getting roleblocked + scum sending night kill repeatedly, with just Reno the roleblocker alive.

I think in a setup where the scumteam is so condensed with power it would make sense to allow that to be done. But *shrug
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 1:26:25 PM
#244
I'm don't think godfather sends a kill night 1 if that's what you're implying. Seems like in a game where you're not sure a tracker or watcher exists you'd avoid that. Poisoner probably did it because if he's tracked he's done anyway.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 1:14:50 PM
#239
You should same time your thoughts and humor ensues when someone accidentally hammers.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 1:06:01 PM
#235
UltimaterializerX posted...
The case on Stu is hilariously easy and we all know what it is: no presence all game, a ton of people have called him scum, and when he's here there has been a lot of self-defeating nonsense. That's pretty much been his entire play this game.


Also I think the actual suspicious part of SBell's play is not actually "obvious" and boils down to this

If his feelings today are genuine, how does town SBell not lynch me yesterday
How does town SBell waffle so much on me between his feelings on me between yesterday and today, if they're genuine and not just trying to have a plausible way to play into my martyr gambit
How does town SBell legitimately doubt 5tarscream, then consider him all good once he scans him, when realistically he should've removed all doubts with the Tom scan or the Puns scan-- he faked suspicion to bait a scan, period

The self defeating stuff, bad town can do that. The inconsistencies are not bad town, they're scummy.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 24: Denouement
Lopen
07/15/19 12:59:05 PM
#229
turbopuns3 posted...
Lolo + Corrik + Ben + Cam as mafia solves the game nicely


Like you really thought scum claimed protection and counterclaimed another protection then faked cop too, with the only claimed town being a flavor cop?


Yes. I wanted mass claim because I thought Lea was protection and Hb was cop. It just seemed to fit their play/claims to me at the time. Town power fakeclaiming vanilla when forced to claim on day 1 isn't weird. Ben himself did it, after all.
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