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xp1337 posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

but it's not at all ridiculous to be OK with, or at least to defend, one or two of them

XIII_rocks posted...

also be ok with [....] separating children at the border

hard disagree

Aight yeah that's probably beyond the pale but that's also one of the few times he's actually pulled back
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Trump is so nakedly terrible and without redeeming qualities that the only way you really can support him is to go into full-blown partisan mode. Once you start to admit that some things about him are bad the whole facade crumbles.

I don't think so. You can possibly argue that being friendly with Russia and alienating Germany are both very valid foreign policy positions. But it's remarkably coincidental to then also be ok with being against NFL players kneeling (social issues), separating children at the border and the muslim ban (immigration), his tax plan (economic), or his long history of lies, racism and mocking the disabled (personal). It's all so extreme, so abnormal, but it's not at all ridiculous to be OK with, or at least to defend, one or two of them. It's ridiculous to defend all of them.

It's a more extreme version of my lack of trust for people who are really far left or really far right on every single issue when they are all so disparate. Genuine ones exist, but so many are taking the position because it's left/right, not because it's a true belief. With Trump though his faults are so clear and his controversies so frequent and varied that it's weird that you're morally OK with all of them, and that you would be the same regardless of who was president.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

How many friends have have you made by talking shit to someone's face lol?

In its most basic form, I like this idea

It's just hard to trust Trump's intent and it's certainly had to trust Putin's

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

All I did was try and start a discussion, asking anyone to give their input, and almost across the board they're in support and defend mode.

Well if you have previous for being vocally left, they're going to assume an agenda, so they're going to be on the defensive right away

But yeah, belligerence and stubbornness have completely taken over now.

I'm kind of done with them because it's just coming off as so... coincidental. Trump has done so many things that are controversial and in so many different ways, it's amazing that you just so happen to be in favour of all of these abnormalities. Refusal to condemn Trump at any point is irrational now. You cannot defend everything he has said or done and expect to be treated rationality. It's a verbal assault course where they contort themselves into being able to convince themselves and others that they 1) rationally hold those positions, 2) have always held them, and 3) would have held the same position with a Democrat or a non-Trump Republican. It's bullshit. They're beyond reason. Good faith is kind of gone, at this point, because of the refusal to condemn. I'm not asking them to hate him but to take up clear positions against just one or two of the many things he has done. But no, we'll just continue treating it like it's sports, shall we?
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What

Congrats!
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So favourite goal? I'm really into Cavani's second against Portugal. But there were absolutely loads

I think Pogba's in the final would be number 1 if it wasn't for him missing the first shot.
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Reigns still hasn't turned heel. That's the only thing that will satisfy them. Heel and in the midcard. That's the literal only thing that'll do it imo.

eaedwards6400 posted...

Well to be honest, this is how petty wrestling fans are.

Hating WWE isn't petty. They give you more than enough reasons to do it.
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Impeaching Trump is such a big deal and he is such a central, dominant figure in news that short of definitive evidence that leads to his impeachment, nothing else matters. Despite the success it has already had, it seems only a direct tie to Trump actually matters at this point.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Its really the only thing I can think of where audience members intend to go to the event to be antagonistic to the performance not as protest, but as their way of enjoying the show.

I think a lot of it is protest, tbh, certainly a mix of those two. I look at things like chanting "Husky Harris" when Bray made his debut for this. That happened because those people don't really like WWE.

When WWE does things like, for instance, manipulate credit for Connor the Crusher and turn it into a Bryan thing and not a Justin Roberts thing, when Steph makes that philanthropy tweet, when WWE just blatantly lies about attendance/viewership/Raw's status as the longest-running show, when you have things like the Punk podcast exposing the depth of the depravity backstage, and the associated incompetence/maliciousness involved in firing him on his wedding day, when you have the insane, self-defeating pettiness in delaying the entire women's revolution, bogging it down in this cul-de-sac 3-on-3-on-3 team angle, just so Nikki could break AJ Lee's record by a day before they get rid of the title for good, when you have Bryan booked for a meaningless one-on-one match at WM against Sheamus when he was/is the focus of the main angle, the whole Roman Reigns debacle, Drew McIntyre being depushed because he was assaulted, the rehiring of Hulk because apparently 3 years means racism didn't happen, the bullying and discrimination against Mauro Ranallo, Bill DeMott's training program, their pathetic desperation to be relevant with various awful celebrity segments (eg Cathy Lee and Hoda), the open invitation to Michael Sam and the willing sacrifice in quality involved to make Raw three hours...when you have all that stuff, people just end up souring on the entire company.

And this is just in the last decade or less and I'm pretty sure I'm missing a lot. Now, some of those are worse than others, but they build up a picture when taken together, and most importantly feed into each other - like the Nikki record thing. WWE's pettiness in the past 100% predisposes me, and others, to believe they did it specifically so AJ wouldn't have the record. Maybe people wouldn't really accuse WWE of doing something so pathetic if they didn't spend every waking minute lowering the bar to the centre of the earth. It's a downward spiral of disgust.

None of those things individually are in the mind of the fan when they're chanting Husky Harris. That's not what I'm saying. But any one of those things would be enough to sour your opinion on a company and WWE does them, like, weekly. And the totality of it all leads to a situation where WWE is the only mainstream wrestling show, the easiest to watch, and the thing you're most likely to have in common with friends and others, but it's also very, very easy to actively despise even as you give them money.

So WWE are presenting to you someone you've seen before but as this completely new character, and WWE clearly want you to forget about Husky Harris, it just comes off to them as WWE lying and manipulating again. You don't want to play along with such a shady, disgusting, piece of shit company. But it's also a fun wrestling show to go to. Nobody likes WWE the company, really. They buy into the individual talents, or sometimes angles. But there's such a lack of faith in the company that people will sometimes show up to enjoy hating WWE and to actively shit on the company even while paying for the tickets. So a mix of protest and enjoyment.
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Hard to gauge the national mood in America

Are these indictments, showing almost beyond doubt now (if it wasn't already) that Russia did meddle in the election, or attempt to, provoking the appropriate outrage? Twitter is obviously pissed about it, and wondering why Trump is not taking Putin to task. It feels more definitive now, but I think without actual public outrage nothing will happen. I could sort of feel it with separating families at the border, if that makes sense, so it didn't surprise me that Trump actually changed something. But I don't quite feel it in the same way here.

Feels like people are just immune to this stuff now and no new reveal about Russia or anything is going to stir people into action
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eaedwards6400 posted...

I didn't feel like the counting down was that big a deal.

Also, I love it when NJPW fans get on their high horse.

I have never ever gone after a crowd for "getting itself over". Actually, I think I've gotten annoyed with "we are awesome" before, but that's it

This really was beyond the pale though. Really, really fucking annoying after like the first two times.
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NFUN posted...

"I wish I was a furry. If I had a fursuit I'd dab so hard in it I'd explode".

Who the fuck says things like this
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Weakupedia posted...

he held the dab for the entirety of the ride while sitting on a horse

That's just idiotic regardless of the meme

Anyway, I'm absolutely immune to it now. Kids normalized it to the point it's just not even hateable anymore.
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Yeah S1-3 of Community are just generally really, really good. It's just a very lovable show. Apart from being funny, you root for the characters moreso than in something like Arrested Development (which I also love).

4-6 are noticeably less good but there are some fantastic episodes in there still.
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I like Seadra a lot but dat Dragon typing and intimidation factor gives it to Kingdra
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Nice, great work
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RaidenZeroX posted...

Strowman doesn't care about winning.

I love this tbh
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ScareChan posted...

What does that even mean

...do the entrants get paid to be in the hall?

I don't think you get a regular salary but I'm under the impression you get some payment for a HoF appearance
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Think so. Maybe all but one
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Post reminds me that we won a fucking shootout

So good

Best moment of the tournament easily. Was in tears.
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RyoCaliente posted...

Weird that Courtois gets the Golden Glove. I thought it went CS -> placing in the tournament -> amount of saves -> minutes played.

Lloris probably had it if he hadn't made that mistake in the final
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3 is where the modern day stuff truly jumped the shark. I was so into finding out more about it, particularly during 2 and Brotherhood, and they just shit the bed completely with the modern day stuff in 3.

The actual gameplay of those levels was good though
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Connor was a bit of a problem too. Ezio was so charismatic and such a great character, and then Connor just felt like a step down

Good job Haytham was great

Tbh I have played worse games, but it was just such a let-down and when I played it it was a huge mess technically (so many glitches)
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AquaArcane posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

Fuck Assassins Creed III

Coulda stopped there

Yeah it killed my interest in the series
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Glad we didn't play this final to some extent, I think France would have reamed us

Well Deschamps tried his best, but ultimately he couldn't quite stop France's talent shining through
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Yeah let's move to the next one
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The initial ball out to Mbappe was outrageous. Great goal.
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LOLIAmAnAlt posted...

The foul that lead to it was questionable though.

True yeah, clear dive by Griezmann
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RyoCaliente posted...

Good to know that FIFA already decided France has to win. Don't need to watch this game anymore then.

What? Did FIFA also decide, as part of this plan, to book Kante and give the freekick from which Croatia scored? Did they also decide to make Mandzukic score an Own Goal?

That handball was a pretty split call. 50/50 imo. Certainly not indicative of a huge bias. Could have gone either way.
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Also fwiw Griezmann dived for the free-kick
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For as good as they are France are so much more balanced and have such an array of threats. Nothing Croatia can do if France decide to go for it, but no, let's be defensive

There you go. Now they can defend their 1-0 lead forever!
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Yes, ofc it could go the other way. I'm not saying it was a masterclass by Deschamps, he doesn't generally do them, but he risked conceding goals because he backed his team to score more.

I would rather France win today but the upside of them losing would be the exposure of Deschamps tbh
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ctesjbuvf posted...

No, I just don't think anybody expected Di Maria to shoot there. He had looked s*** all tournament and it didn't look at something that could be scored from. It was such a good shot out of the blue.

That doesn't matter. A tighter, more defensively compact team would have been out to Di Maria faster. Don't forget that he can't only shoot from there. It's a good position from which to spread the ball wide, chip a good ball into the box, and generally cause damage. He had space and time to line up a shot.

And no, it wasn't purely down to tactics - Argentina's second was fortunate, Di Maria could obviously have missed, etc. No result is ever purely down to tactics. In another universe France win that 6-0 with the exact same tactics. Anything can happen in any game.

But if you prepare your team in a certain way, that thing is more likely to happen. This time Deschamps played more offensively and less compact defensively, with the end result being that they scored 4 (they have only 6 in all of their other games put together) but conceded 3 (they have only conceded 1 in all of their other games put together). Are you saying this is a coincidence?

OT but pretty poor from Anderson to beat Federer and then deliver this. Proper Berdych situation.
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You don't think a more compact France close down Di Maria for the first or Messi's pass for the third? Would Argentina have even won the corner from which they scored the first if Deschamps hadn't been so open?

It's naive to just look at the move that led to the goals. Deschamps allowed Argentina more space and backed his attackers to break down Argentina, especially with Mbappe's pace. What that led to is a more open game that led to the concession of 3 goals

Contrast France's tactics vs Argentina with their tactics vs Belgium or Uruguay. It's not a coincidence.
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Solid Snake (SSBB)
Matt Damon (Jimmy Kimmel Live! with Sarah Silverman, "I'm ****ing Matt Damon") - this is a great, hilarious call
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Probably because he can make it look like a principled stand over Brexit, rather than a blatant power grab, to give himself credibility later?
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It's a bad time for him to take over rn. I think he'd rather give May enough rope to hang herself with first
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Probably, but it might wait until April. We leave the EU on the 30th of March and causing chaos within our government before then would weaken our negotiating position with the EU even further.
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Don't forget to mount a machine to move faster

I feel like at least one bandit camp has Nil being quite far away from it and I didn't find him until after

Also yeah Stormbirds are just about killable at your current level but you'll lose a lot of health, ammo and items so just don't bother right now
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Lightning Strikes posted...

So back to politics, a poll using the same methodology that got the last UK election correct has the Tories dropping, giving Labour a 5% lead. Hurrah!

It turns out when you promise unicorns then admit you can't deliver unicorns and your party falls into chaos people don't like it.

Pity there won't be an election for a while yet. She isn't going to call another snap you would think
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Basically everyone here seems to agree that for the sake of good discussion in good faith, certain people shouldn't be responded to, they just disagree on who. Main 2 right now being red sox and Seph but previously Ulti and Corrik have been under discussion too

So how about you all compromise and stop completely! To all of them! Then we don't have this every couple of topics and we don't have any "bad discussion"
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The_Ctes posted...

It's kinda crazy that Argentina got three goals against France when the only other team to score against them was Australia on a penalty.

That was the only time Deschamps played in an open, attacking way
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Yeah that's fair. They are clearly better. More than anything, I'm glad Lukaku didn't score
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Yeah they're clearly a much better team
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Not before releasing him. After.

Stupid one-hour edit limit
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That Bellowback kicked my ass the first time. Luckily they let you prepare for the fight, so I surrounded his "cage" with traps and bombs and just lured him into all of those before releasing him
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Grand Kirby posted...

Was it really good advertising? Who the hell checked out that website besides people who were already fans? Shouldn't advertising's primary purpose be to inform people who don't already know about the product?

Idk man, if you whip up enough crazy excitement among the hardcore fans then word of mouth might do the rest
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I remember him spearing Ziggler out of the corner once

That was great
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Don't touch the button?
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Routine choice
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Oh nice. That actually simplifies things
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