Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 184: Torn NATO

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7/15/2018
TWITTER - Mikel Jollett (sha la la la la, man)

This is insane.

Joe Walsh, Dana Rohrabacher, Trent Lott advocate for a first responders course on high-powered weapons....for toddlers.

Seriously. Watch this.

Truly exposes the INSANITY of the gun lobby.

This is from @SachaBaronCohens new show on @showtime: Who is America?

*VIDEO OF CLIP*

https://mobile.twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/1018496891288354816

Watch to the end. That final sentence is something.
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So I bought Borat and am rewatching out of excitement for Who Is America?

Ten minutes into the movie, there's a scene in a montage where Borat is taking a shit beside the outside sign of Trump International Hotel and Tower. Little did we know he was working his way to this new show for over a decade.
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So apparently Russia tried to sabotage French elections last year and that didn't work, in part because of watching the American shitshow and taking notes?
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Hard to gauge the national mood in America

Are these indictments, showing almost beyond doubt now (if it wasn't already) that Russia did meddle in the election, or attempt to, provoking the appropriate outrage? Twitter is obviously pissed about it, and wondering why Trump is not taking Putin to task. It feels more definitive now, but I think without actual public outrage nothing will happen. I could sort of feel it with separating families at the border, if that makes sense, so it didn't surprise me that Trump actually changed something. But I don't quite feel it in the same way here.

Feels like people are just immune to this stuff now and no new reveal about Russia or anything is going to stir people into action
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XIII_rocks posted...

Feels like people are just immune to this stuff now and no new reveal about Russia or anything is going to stir people into action

That's why the Republican strategy has been to discredit the investigation
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Something something nothingburger
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Republicans have unfortunately succeeded into making this a partisan issue somehow.

Its completely infuriating.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1018738368753078273

Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse

welp, so much for "trump absolutely needs to become president because unlike hillary, he'll make sure the US has a good relationship with russia."
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"No collusion!"

"Even if Trump didn't specifically collude, isn't it still important that Russia made direct attempts to meddle?"

"Fake news, no collusion!"

"But it isn't fake, there have been a bunch of indictments already and things are moving forward"

"Exactly, it's been a WHOLE YEAR already! Where is the proof?!? See! Fake news!"

"Yes, it's ONLY been a year. Investigations like this can take a long time and the fact that it's already moving so rapidly only proves that something happened. Don't we want to find out the truth regardless of who it implicates?"

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That is what this conversation feels like to me every time i've had it lately. And I think at least some of them are with people who actually buy into this notion that the media is regularly fabricating stories.

And honestly if Trump is innocent then they should want a thorough investigation more than anyone else since it would just exonerate him. Even if we can prove that Russia took steps to undermine our elections it's not like it's going to change the results. It's not as though they actually managed to hack the polling stations on election day. The results that we got really happened and trump really won the election. He would still be the president. That isn't going to change even if we throw a few dozen people in jail for their part in the whole thing.

Idk, the whole thing is annoying. Which just makes it difficult to stay engaged in, which is the fucking sickest part about it because even the people who care just get so fatigued by everything that we can't even collectively stay as engaged as we need to be with this thing.
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Someone told me many Republicans are perfectly fine with America being a Russian puppet.
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Impeaching Trump is such a big deal and he is such a central, dominant figure in news that short of definitive evidence that leads to his impeachment, nothing else matters. Despite the success it has already had, it seems only a direct tie to Trump actually matters at this point.
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I think it needs to be understood that in the Republican psyche this is all just payback for Clinton because those are the terms they think in.

Republicans are literally still using Ted Kennedy's leadership of the opposition to Borks nomination to the Supreme Court as justification for stonewalling Garland.

To them that's still tit for tat and thats just how they think
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Do you agree with me that people who think in those terms have minimal business holding political power/running a country? Because to me, that mindset seems like a real easy way to run things into the ground, regardless of actual views and policy positions.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1018552831580823555?s=21

How does he not drive the people who have to constantly listen to his speech patterns insane?

You know I know, but a lot of people dont know that

I've lived around old people with dementia, and Trump sounds exactly like an old person with dementia
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Reg posted...

Do you agree with me that people who think in those terms have minimal business holding political power/running a country? Because to me, that mindset seems like a real easy way to run things into the ground, regardless of actual views and policy positions.

I think there is value in promoting those who hold right wing views that don't think of everything in terms of partisan warfare because ultimately our country cant be good unless both parties are reasonable options for running the country. Ultimately that's not the case right now but the Rs only really tipped super hard this direction in 2010, though its been an undercurrent since Reagan.

This is why I find red sox and SephG to be utterly reprehensible as they only think in terms of the game.

But like I'd with 0 thought involved vote for Tom Bombadil.
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Eddv posted...

This is why I find red sox and SephG to be utterly reprehensible as they only think in terms of the game.

at the risk of getting vituperated for defending red sox again, i'll point that he DID write in bernie, at least. but yeah, sephy definitely has a "the only thing that matters is my team winning no matter what" mindset.

muffin does, too. when people pointed out that he was insane for voting for mccain in '08 (because palin), he went "well what do you guys want me to do, vote for a democrat???" he basically admitted that if satan were the republican candidate, he'd still vote for him over the dem candidate.
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Eddv posted...

I think there is value in promoting those who hold right wing views that don't think of everything in terms of partisan warfare because ultimately our country cant be good unless both parties are reasonable options for running the country. Ultimately that's not the case right now but the Rs only really tipped super hard this direction in 2010, though its been an undercurrent since Reagan.

Good to see we completely agree on this one. I'd also point out that, as far as I can see, the "mainstream" right wing views in the US these days seem to be nearly indistinguishable from alt-right, which is itself problematic (but that's also an entirely different conversation that I'm not up for right now).
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1018731223890481153?s=21

President Obama thought that Crooked Hillary was going to win the election, so when he was informed by the FBI about Russian Meddling, he said it couldnt happen, was no big deal, & did NOTHING about it. When I won it became a big deal and the Rigged Witch Hunt headed by Strzok!

Russia meddling was real then it became fake after I won.
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LinkMarioSamus posted...

Someone told me many Republicans are perfectly fine with America being a Russian puppet.

I think they are moving in that direction
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The Republican party as is isn't really the same party they were even a few years ago, they're fascists appropriating the name (albeit under a senile boob of a leader)
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I'm listening to the Putin-Trump press conference right now, and a reporter from Reuters asked Trump about his tweets complaining about our relations with Russia, and if he holds Russia accountable for anything they've done.

His response is literally

"We're both to blame, also btw, I beat Hillary so so easily. There was no collusion. The probe is hurting our relationship, think about how many nukes we have between us. Btw, the Democrats lost but they should have won because of the Electoral College is strongly in their favor, but we won by a lot and we did a good job."
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Really one of the scariest things about Trump is how afraid he is to ever criticize Putin about ANYTHING
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Oh my god. That answer he just gave about whether he would condemn Putin for interfering in the election was so so so bad.
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Our intelligence says he did, and he says he didnt, and I trust both parties. But her emails. Also Putin wants to work WITH our intelligence agencies to get to the bottom of this and that would be great!

FUCKING WHAT
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Jakyl25 posted...

Also Putin wants to work WITH our intelligence agencies to get to the bottom of this and that would be great!

man what a nice guy
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Jakyl25 posted...

Our intelligence says he did, and he says he didnt, and I trust both parties.

The best part about this answer was that 5 minutes ago Putin literally said that because they put their countries first, he would never say he trusts Trump, and Trump should never say he trusts him.
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If Trump is a Putin Puppet, I wonder if Putin bangs his head against the wall at Trump's lack of subtlety.
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Wait, he actually said "But her emails" as a full sentence unironically?
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Doubt it, I'm sure he's noticed by now how Trump supporters give zero fucks about it.
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He went into the fucking email thinf to a solid couple of minutes!
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kevwaffles posted...

Wait, he actually said "But her emails" as a full sentence unironically?

Im paraphrasing. He literally did go into the entire Hillarys Emails sphiel as an answer to why he wont condemn Russia though
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https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1018890740619988993?s=21

From a national security expert who has supported President Trump: Played like a fiddle. Unmitigated disaster. Embarrassing.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Played like a fiddle.

Metal Gear continues to prove to be a real world documentary series.
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https://twitter.com/walshfreedom/status/1018893177586143234?s=21

What you saw today was "collusion" on the world stage.

I wonder if more conservatives will join people like Walsh and publicly denounce Trump for this
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I doubt it. I think you've already seen people on the right pick sides on whether they'd criticize Trump or back him in everything and I don't think that line has moved any.

....Truthfully I'm not even sure it ever will.
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https://twitter.com/msnbc/status/1018888251132833802?s=21

Trump: "My people came to me, [Director of National Intelligence] Dan Coats came to me, some others, they said they think it's Russia. I have President Putin. He just said it's not Russia. I will say this, I don't see any reason why it would be."

Well comrades its been a good run
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Jakyl25 posted...

I wonder if more conservatives will join people like Walsh and publicly denounce Trump for this

Trump could say that he colluded with Vladimir Putin, have a signed notarized confession from Putin, and all conservatives would say is:

"Who cares? We should be thanking Putin for saving us from Cankles!"
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This about sums up my thoughts:

https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1018880522393718785

Hi, I know you broke into my home, stole stuff, and left a mess, but I was hoping we could move past that by working together on my home security system. Said no one EVER. #TrumpPutin

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Jakyl25 posted...

its been a good run

has it though
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xp1337 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

its been a good run

has it though

Fair criticism
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https://twitter.com/jeffflake/status/1018891518654976000?s=21

I never thought I would see the day when our American President would stand on the stage with the Russian President and place blame on the United States for Russian aggression. This is shameful.

I mean its not like Congress has supported him every step of the way despite mountains of evidence pointing towards his deference to Putin!
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/walshfreedom/status/1018893177586143234?s=21

What you saw today was "collusion" on the world stage.

I wonder if more conservatives will join people like Walsh and publicly denounce Trump for this

I am literally agreeing with the Joe Walsh that (probably) can't play the guitar for shit

What a world we're in.
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Reg posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/walshfreedom/status/1018893177586143234?s=21

What you saw today was "collusion" on the world stage.

I wonder if more conservatives will join people like Walsh and publicly denounce Trump for this

I am literally agreeing with the Joe Walsh that (probably) can't play the guitar for shit

What a world we're in.

He does this every now and then. Hes very particular in his crazy stances that they absolutely must always assert America being anti-Russia. Thus when Trump licks Putins boots from time to time, like a broken clock hes on the right side by happenstance.
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Flake likes to talk like that (since he's not running for re-election) but I don't think it's changed his voting in the Senate at all.

so yeah, that means less than nothing to me
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To be fair nothing on this count has really come to a vote and hes still conservative as fuck
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Eddv posted...

To be fair nothing on this count has really come to a vote and hes still conservative as fuck

I would think that, if he really cared, he and his like-minded colleagues could hold up votes even on Trump agendas they agreed with unless they got some solid action (or even strong words!) by him condemning Russia.

Like shouldnt it give you pause if you think the President is a Russian toadie but you still support all of his legislative ideas?
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Don't worry guys, Trump is No Puppet!:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaVWRetR4jg" data-time="
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I'm in a pretty poppin Right Wing Facebook group, to talk with people on both sides, argue about stuff, and see what Trump supporters think.

And it is insane, seeing his supporters literally saying things like (copy-pasted directly):

Politics. It seems like Trump is trying to make peace with everyone. How many friends have have you made by talking shit to someone's face lol? Plus our intelligence agencies are questionable at best. They fuck up more than they do good from what is documented. At the end of the day, trying to make old enemies into allies is better for the progression of the world as a whole I think. Not saying we have to like what they do, their government or their values. We need to get over ourselves. We overreact to literally every single time Trump farts. The world will continue to turn. It'll be okay.

You don't have enough information to make determination to trust them or not. If an intelligence agency can be trusted to do ONE THING, it's disguising intent. You think you have a bead on them? What about the rest of the world?
Who do you think has more information here? You or Trump?

Obama bowed to a leader who believes in Jewish genocide.

George Bush was openly friendly with leaders who had multiple human rights violation.

I could go on.

I get it, you're triggered Tony, but take the leftist goggles off for a minute and actually evaluate what happened. A politician, played nice with another politician.

Literally in response to me sharing the Joe Walsh twitter freakout and saying this:

Tony posted...
I'll just leave this here.

Countless more prominent Right Wing people on Twitter asking what the fuck just happened. What does CLS (the group) think?

All I did was try and start a discussion, asking anyone to give their input, and almost across the board they're in support and defend mode.

It's truly scary.
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Why do we even have intelligence agencies if we can just ask Putin?
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I have to admit that a small, but shockingly not that small, part of me is surprised the announcement out of that conference didn't involve Trump recognizing Crimea.

So I'm in this really weird place of not knowing whether that conference was better or worse than I expected.
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