Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 184: Torn NATO

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LordoftheMorons 07/16/18 1:29:24 PM #351:	Impossible to parody: https://twitter.com/gilbertjasono/status/1018862229670817793 --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:905177139] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>Impossible to parody: https://twitter.com/gilbertjasono/status/1018862229670817793</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 07/16/18 1:54:47 PM #352:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... How many friends have have you made by talking shit to someone's face lol? In its most basic form, I like this idea It's just hard to trust Trump's intent and it's certainly had to trust Putin's ChaosTonyV4 posted... All I did was try and start a discussion, asking anyone to give their input, and almost across the board they're in support and defend mode. Well if you have previous for being vocally left, they're going to assume an agenda, so they're going to be on the defensive right away But yeah, belligerence and stubbornness have completely taken over now. I'm kind of done with them because it's just coming off as so... coincidental. Trump has done so many things that are controversial and in so many different ways, it's amazing that you just so happen to be in favour of all of these abnormalities. Refusal to condemn Trump at any point is irrational now. You cannot defend everything he has said or done and expect to be treated rationality. It's a verbal assault course where they contort themselves into being able to convince themselves and others that they 1) rationally hold those positions, 2) have always held them, and 3) would have held the same position with a Democrat or a non-Trump Republican. It's bullshit. They're beyond reason. Good faith is kind of gone, at this point, because of the refusal to condemn. I'm not asking them to hate him but to take up clear positions against just one or two of the many things he has done. But no, we'll just continue treating it like it's sports, shall we? --- Not to be confused with XIII_Stones. <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:905178594] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>How many friends have have you made by talking shit to someone's face lol?</quote> In its most basic form, I like this idea It's just hard to trust Trump's intent and it's certainly had to trust Putin's <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>All I did was try and start a discussion, asking anyone to give their input, and almost across the board they're in support and defend mode. </quote> Well if you have previous for being vocally left, they're going to assume an agenda, so they're going to be on the defensive right away But yeah, belligerence and stubbornness have completely taken over now. I'm kind of done with them because it's just coming off as so... coincidental. Trump has done so many things that are controversial and in so many different ways, it's amazing that you just so happen to be in favour of all of these abnormalities. Refusal to condemn Trump at any point is irrational now. You cannot defend everything he has said or done and expect to be treated rationality. It's a verbal assault course where they contort themselves into being able to convince themselves and others that they 1) rationally hold those positions, 2) have always held them, and 3) would have held the same position with a Democrat or a non-Trump Republican. It's bullshit. They're beyond reason. Good faith is kind of gone, at this point, because of the refusal to condemn. I'm not asking them to hate him but to take up clear positions against just one or two of the many things he has done. But no, we'll just continue treating it like it's sports, shall we?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/16/18 1:57:55 PM #353:	XIII_rocks posted... In its most basic form, I like this idea It's just hard to trust Trump's intent and it's certainly had to trust Putin's Yeah, Its a bad look to try and be courteous and deferential to a leader like Putin just so hell in theory be friendly. Being friendly with Russia is not more important than standing against their human rights violations, especially when you go out of your way to be antagonistic to our ACTUAL allies --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:905178787] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote><cite>XIII_rocks posted...</cite> <quote> In its most basic form, I like this idea It's just hard to trust Trump's intent and it's certainly had to trust Putin's </quote> Yeah, Its a bad look to try and be courteous and deferential to a leader like Putin just so hell in theory be friendly. Being friendly with Russia is not more important than standing against their human rights violations, especially when you go out of your way to be antagonistic to our ACTUAL allies</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 07/16/18 1:58:34 PM #354:	Trump is so nakedly terrible and without redeeming qualities that the only way you really can support him is to go into full-blown partisan mode. Once you start to admit that some things about him are bad the whole facade crumbles. --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:905178819] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>Trump is so nakedly terrible and without redeeming qualities that the only way you really can support him is to go into full-blown partisan mode. Once you start to admit that some things about him are bad the whole facade crumbles.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 07/16/18 2:10:18 PM #355:	LordoftheMorons posted... Trump is so nakedly terrible and without redeeming qualities that the only way you really can support him is to go into full-blown partisan mode. Once you start to admit that some things about him are bad the whole facade crumbles. I don't think so. You can possibly argue that being friendly with Russia and alienating Germany are both very valid foreign policy positions. But it's remarkably coincidental to then also be ok with being against NFL players kneeling (social issues), separating children at the border and the muslim ban (immigration), his tax plan (economic), or his long history of lies, racism and mocking the disabled (personal). It's all so extreme, so abnormal, but it's not at all ridiculous to be OK with, or at least to defend, one or two of them. It's ridiculous to defend all of them. It's a more extreme version of my lack of trust for people who are really far left or really far right on every single issue when they are all so disparate. Genuine ones exist, but so many are taking the position because it's left/right, not because it's a true belief. With Trump though his faults are so clear and his controversies so frequent and varied that it's weird that you're morally OK with all of them, and that you would be the same regardless of who was president. --- Not to be confused with XIII_Stones. <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:905179530] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>Trump is so nakedly terrible and without redeeming qualities that the only way you really can support him is to go into full-blown partisan mode. Once you start to admit that some things about him are bad the whole facade crumbles.</quote> I don't think so. You can possibly argue that being friendly with Russia and alienating Germany are both very valid foreign policy positions. But it's remarkably coincidental to then also be ok with being against NFL players kneeling (social issues), separating children at the border and the muslim ban (immigration), his tax plan (economic), or his long history of lies, racism and mocking the disabled (personal). It's all so extreme, so abnormal, but it's not at all ridiculous to be OK with, or at least to defend, one or two of them. It's ridiculous to defend all of them. It's a more extreme version of my lack of trust for people who are really far left or really far right on every single issue when they are all so disparate. Genuine ones exist, but so many are taking the position because it's left/right, not because it's a true belief. With Trump though his faults are so clear and his controversies so frequent and varied that it's weird that you're morally OK with all of them, and that you would be the same regardless of who was president.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 07/16/18 2:14:06 PM #356:	XIII_rocks posted... but it's not at all ridiculous to be OK with, or at least to defend, one or two of them XIII_rocks posted... also be ok with [....] separating children at the border hard disagree --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:905179725] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote><cite>XIII_rocks posted...</cite> <quote> but it's not at all ridiculous to be OK with, or at least to defend, one or two of them</quote> <cite>XIII_rocks posted...</cite> <quote>also be ok with [....] separating children at the border </quote> hard disagree</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/16/18 2:17:38 PM #357:	If nothing else, today should further drive home the point that the pee tape is real --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:905179933] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>If nothing else, today should further drive home the point that the pee tape is real</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 07/16/18 2:21:58 PM #358:	McCains statement on Trumps Russia apologism: https://twitter.com/pamengel12/status/1018919492565553152 --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:905180157] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>McCains statement on Trumps Russia apologism: https://twitter.com/pamengel12/status/1018919492565553152</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 07/16/18 2:26:26 PM #359:	Jakyl25 posted... If nothing else, today should further drive home the point that the pee tape is real As silly as it sounds to say this, the pee tape literally does not matter. --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Reg posted [p:905180415] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>If nothing else, today should further drive home the point that the pee tape is real</quote> As silly as it sounds to say this, the pee tape literally does not matter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 07/16/18 2:27:10 PM #360:	What I mean is that if you ignore all of the standard GOP policy stuff, all of the extra Trump-specific stuff is just inarguably bad. For example, if youre a Trump supporter, you need to have justified to yourself why it doesnt matter that Trump bragged about sexual assault on tape. You need to justify to yourself that he lies CONSTANTLY, including about trivial things and in ways that are extremely easily disproved. You need to justify to yourself that he insulted a POW by saying that he prefers people who werent captured. Once you can do that, its easy to keep justifying everything. --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:905180462] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>What I mean is that if you ignore all of the standard GOP policy stuff, all of the extra Trump-specific stuff is just inarguably bad. For example, if youre a Trump supporter, you need to have justified to yourself why it doesnt matter that Trump bragged about sexual assault on tape. You need to justify to yourself that he lies CONSTANTLY, including about trivial things and in ways that are extremely easily disproved. You need to justify to yourself that he insulted a POW by saying that he prefers people who werent captured. Once you can do that, its easy to keep justifying everything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 07/16/18 2:28:01 PM #361:	xp1337 posted... XIII_rocks posted... but it's not at all ridiculous to be OK with, or at least to defend, one or two of them XIII_rocks posted... also be ok with [....] separating children at the border hard disagree Aight yeah that's probably beyond the pale but that's also one of the few times he's actually pulled back --- Not to be confused with XIII_Stones. <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:905180511] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>XIII_rocks posted...</cite> <quote> but it's not at all ridiculous to be OK with, or at least to defend, one or two of them</quote> <cite>XIII_rocks posted...</cite> <quote>also be ok with [....] separating children at the border </quote> hard disagree</quote> Aight yeah that's probably beyond the pale but that's also one of the few times he's actually pulled back</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/16/18 2:28:33 PM #362:	Reg posted... Jakyl25 posted... If nothing else, today should further drive home the point that the pee tape is real As silly as it sounds to say this, the pee tape literally does not matter. It matters in the sense that it may be the key reason we are transforming into a Russian vassal state --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:905180543] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote><cite>Reg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>If nothing else, today should further drive home the point that the pee tape is real</quote> As silly as it sounds to say this, the pee tape literally does not matter.</quote> It matters in the sense that it may be the key reason we are transforming into a Russian vassal state</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/16/18 2:30:32 PM #363:	LordoftheMorons posted... McCains statement on Trumps Russia apologism: https://twitter.com/pamengel12/status/1018919492565553152 Honestly the best thing McCain could do for the country right now is to stay alive, not resign, and not show up to vote. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:905180659] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>McCains statement on Trumps Russia apologism: https://twitter.com/pamengel12/status/1018919492565553152</quote> Honestly the best thing McCain could do for the country right now is to stay alive, not resign, and not show up to vote.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 07/16/18 2:33:32 PM #364:	XIII_rocks posted... Aight yeah that's probably beyond the pale but that's also one of the few times he's actually pulled back Yeah, I singled that one out because of that. Also, he "pulled back" but in reality they enacted the policy with no plan for reunification so even with the court orders and deadlines they're unable to actually undo the consequences so it just comes off as one where he sulkily pulled back after getting his hand slapped, much like the Charlottesville reaction. Jakyl25 posted... Reg posted... Jakyl25 posted... If nothing else, today should further drive home the point that the pee tape is real As silly as it sounds to say this, the pee tape literally does not matter. It matters in the sense that it may be the key reason we are transforming into a Russian vassal state To clarify, I'd say it only matters insofar as its conclusive proven existence would serve as concrete evidence of Trump being compromised. Otherwise it's just the most tabloid-y part of the whole thing. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:905180841] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote><cite>XIII_rocks posted...</cite> <quote>Aight yeah that's probably beyond the pale but that's also one of the few times he's actually pulled back</quote> Yeah, I singled that one out because of that. Also, he "pulled back" but in reality they enacted the policy with no plan for reunification so even with the court orders and deadlines they're unable to actually undo the consequences so it just comes off as one where he sulkily pulled back after getting his hand slapped, much like the Charlottesville reaction. <cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Reg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>If nothing else, today should further drive home the point that the pee tape is real</quote> As silly as it sounds to say this, the pee tape literally does not matter.</quote> It matters in the sense that it may be the key reason we are transforming into a Russian vassal state</quote> To clarify, I'd say it only matters insofar as its conclusive proven existence would serve as concrete evidence of Trump being compromised. Otherwise it's just the most tabloid-y part of the whole thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 07/16/18 2:34:55 PM #365:	Jakyl25 posted... LordoftheMorons posted... McCains statement on Trumps Russia apologism: https://twitter.com/pamengel12/status/1018919492565553152 Honestly the best thing McCain could do for the country right now is to stay alive, not resign, and not show up to vote. I believe that AZ law states that the governor has to replace him with somebody from the same party, so if he really wanted to fuck Trump he could formally become a Democrat --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:905180919] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>McCains statement on Trumps Russia apologism: https://twitter.com/pamengel12/status/1018919492565553152</quote> Honestly the best thing McCain could do for the country right now is to stay alive, not resign, and not show up to vote.</quote> I believe that AZ law states that the governor has to replace him with somebody from the same party, so if he really wanted to fuck Trump he could formally become a Democrat</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 07/16/18 2:36:21 PM #366:	LordoftheMorons posted... What I mean is thst if you ignore all of he standard GOP policy stuff, all of the extra Trump-specific stuff is just inarguably bad. For example, if youre a Trump supporter, you need to have justified to yourself why it doesnt matter that Trump bragged about sexual assault on tape. You need to justify to yourself that he lies CONSTANTLY, including about trivial things and in ways that are extremely easily disproved. You need to justify to yourself that he insulted a POW by saying that he prefers people who werent captured. Once you can do that, its easy to keep justifying everything. Right, and at that point the person can no longer really be considered to be genuine. That's my point. But there are some things he has done you can make a case for on some level. It's just bonkers to make a case for, and instantly defend, all of them. It doesn't matter which ones, but by now a Trump supporter has to have condemned or honestly criticised at least a couple of things he has done or they never will - their brains have fully fossilized, and they're a hopeless cause until he is out of office. --- Not to be confused with XIII_Stones. <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:905181005] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>What I mean is thst if you ignore all of he standard GOP policy stuff, all of the extra Trump-specific stuff is just inarguably bad. For example, if youre a Trump supporter, you need to have justified to yourself why it doesnt matter that Trump bragged about sexual assault on tape. You need to justify to yourself that he lies CONSTANTLY, including about trivial things and in ways that are extremely easily disproved. You need to justify to yourself that he insulted a POW by saying that he prefers people who werent captured. Once you can do that, its easy to keep justifying everything.</quote> Right, and at that point the person can no longer really be considered to be genuine. That's my point. But there are some things he has done you can make a case for on some level. It's just bonkers to make a case for, and instantly defend, all of them. It doesn't matter which ones, but by now a Trump supporter has to have condemned or honestly criticised at least a couple of things he has done or they never will - their brains have fully fossilized, and they're a hopeless cause until he is out of office.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 07/16/18 2:38:25 PM #367:	xp1337 posted... Yeah, I singled that one out because despite being strongly against the other policies you listed, I could at least entertain the argument from the other side. Also, he "pulled back" but in reality they enacted the policy with no plan for reunification so even with the court orders and deadlines they're unable to actually undo the consequences so it just comes off as one where he sulkily pulled back after getting his hand slapped, much like the Charlottesville reaction. Oh that was 100% what it was, but still. It was one of his few moments of would-be compromise --- Not to be confused with XIII_Stones. <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:905181134] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, I singled that one out because despite being strongly against the other policies you listed, I could at least entertain the argument from the other side. Also, he "pulled back" but in reality they enacted the policy with no plan for reunification so even with the court orders and deadlines they're unable to actually undo the consequences so it just comes off as one where he sulkily pulled back after getting his hand slapped, much like the Charlottesville reaction.</quote> Oh that was 100% what it was, but still. It was one of his few moments of would-be compromise</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/16/18 2:42:02 PM #368:	Even the things I support Trump on in theory, I dont support his methods Recognizing Taiwan sovereignty? Great! Doing it haphazardly over a phone call without clearly grasping the geopolitical ramifications? Bad! Ditto with his dealings with Kim and his Syria bombings --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:905181338] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>Even the things I support Trump on in theory, I dont support his methods Recognizing Taiwan sovereignty? Great! Doing it haphazardly over a phone call without clearly grasping the geopolitical ramifications? Bad! Ditto with his dealings with Kim and his Syria bombings</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 07/16/18 2:42:57 PM #369:	I do not know for certain if Trump is a Russian puppet. But if he was a puppet, would he be doing anything differently? --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:905181390] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>I do not know for certain if Trump is a Russian puppet. But if he was a puppet, would he be doing anything differently?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/16/18 2:43:55 PM #370:	Not_an_Owl posted... I do not know for certain if Trump is a Russian puppet. But if he was a puppet, would he be doing anything differently? He might spend less time publicly kissing Putins ass to make it less obvious <_< --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:905181452] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote><cite>Not_an_Owl posted...</cite> <quote>I do not know for certain if Trump is a Russian puppet. But if he was a puppet, would he be doing anything differently?</quote> He might spend less time publicly kissing Putins ass to make it less obvious <_<</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 07/16/18 2:45:53 PM #371:	this is bad mafia logic "he can't be scum because he's being TOO obvious about it" no lynch the obvious scum --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:905181576] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>this is bad mafia logic "he can't be scum because he's being TOO obvious about it" no lynch the obvious scum</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/16/18 2:47:14 PM #372:	I think you just got put on a watch list for suggesting to lynch the President --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:905181658] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>I think you just got put on a watch list for suggesting to lynch the President</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 07/16/18 2:48:30 PM #373:	https://twitter.com/peteralexander/status/1018923742163070976?s=21 JUST IN: VP Pence offers a rose-colored view of Trump's Putin summit: "What the world saw, what the American people saw, is that President Donald Trump will always put the prosperity and security of America first." Not the Onion --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:905181724] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/peteralexander/status/1018923742163070976?s=21 <quote>JUST IN: VP Pence offers a rose-colored view of Trump's Putin summit: "What the world saw, what the American people saw, is that President Donald Trump will always put the prosperity and security of America first."</quote> Not the Onion</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 07/16/18 2:54:09 PM #374:	...Security? --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:905182063] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>...Security?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 07/16/18 2:58:35 PM #375:	xp1337 posted... To clarify, I'd say it only matters insofar as its conclusive proven existence would serve as concrete evidence of Trump being compromised. Otherwise it's just the most tabloid-y part of the whole thing. Ok, this is more accurate than what I said. But my (less than clearly implied) point is that if the pee tape were released right now and 100% undeniably confirmed real, his supporters would straight-up not give a shit. This is the same groupb of people that nearly elected a goddamn pedophile to the US Senate. --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Reg posted [p:905182337] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>To clarify, I'd say it only matters insofar as its conclusive proven existence would serve as concrete evidence of Trump being compromised. Otherwise it's just the most tabloid-y part of the whole thing.</quote> Ok, this is more accurate than what I said. But my (less than clearly implied) point is that if the pee tape were released right now and 100% undeniably confirmed real, his supporters would straight-up not give a shit. This is the same groupb of people that nearly elected a goddamn pedophile to the US Senate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 07/16/18 3:17:31 PM #376:	I don't know for sure, but I think maybe Kasich is gearing up for an actual primary challenge. https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/1017843281684828161 https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/1018865695449341959 https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/1018920986106912770 I saw his interview on CNN today and then I checked out his Twitter, and he's been going all in against Trump for quite some time now. I don't know if he'd actually do it, but I think there's maybe like a...5% chance? Which is better than the 0% chance I thought there was that anyone would primary Trump last year. He also has a fully functional site where he's soliciting donations and telling you to join his team which is kind of weird considering he's term limited now. If you check his "take action" tab, it is all positions that break from Trump. There's banning AR-15s, support for DACA and supporting dreamers, something called "this is wrong" about separating families at the border, and "country over party" which boasts the importance of the FBI and American intelligence agencies. https://petition.johnkasich.com/stand-with-our-allies And he's been coy about whether or not he'd run against Trump in the past couple months. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/21/kasich-2020-trump-479178 http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/381631-kasich-on-2020-uncertainty-its-hard-for-people-to-believe-im-not-plotting I don't know if he has an actual path forward, but I would say he, out of anyone, might actually be toying with the notion of running against Trump. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:905183471] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>I don't know for sure, but I think maybe Kasich is gearing up for an actual primary challenge. https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/1017843281684828161 https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/1018865695449341959 https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/1018920986106912770 I saw his interview on CNN today and then I checked out his Twitter, and he's been going all in against Trump for quite some time now. I don't know if he'd actually do it, but I think there's maybe like a...5% chance? Which is better than the 0% chance I thought there was that anyone would primary Trump last year. He also has a fully functional site where he's soliciting donations and telling you to join his team which is kind of weird considering he's term limited now. If you check his "take action" tab, it is all positions that break from Trump. There's banning AR-15s, support for DACA and supporting dreamers, something called "this is wrong" about separating families at the border, and "country over party" which boasts the importance of the FBI and American intelligence agencies. https://petition.johnkasich.com/stand-with-our-allies And he's been coy about whether or not he'd run against Trump in the past couple months. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/21/kasich-2020-trump-479178 http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/381631-kasich-on-2020-uncertainty-its-hard-for-people-to-believe-im-not-plotting I don't know if he has an actual path forward, but I would say he, out of anyone, might actually be toying with the notion of running against Trump.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 07/16/18 3:20:35 PM #377:	Jakyl25 posted... https://twitter.com/peteralexander/status/1018923742163070976?s=21 JUST IN: VP Pence offers a rose-colored view of Trump's Putin summit: "What the world saw, what the American people saw, is that President Donald Trump will always put the prosperity and security of America first." Not the Onion The shit Not_an_Owl posted... I do not know for certain if Trump is a Russian puppet. But if he was a puppet, would he be doing anything differently? Nope! --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:905183642] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/peteralexander/status/1018923742163070976?s=21 <quote>JUST IN: VP Pence offers a rose-colored view of Trump's Putin summit: "What the world saw, what the American people saw, is that President Donald Trump will always put the prosperity and security of America first."</quote> Not the Onion</quote> The shit <cite>Not_an_Owl posted...</cite> <quote>I do not know for certain if Trump is a Russian puppet. But if he was a puppet, would he be doing anything differently?</quote> Nope!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 07/16/18 3:20:47 PM #378:	Like he's positioning himself as a moderate (which is strange because just a couple of years ago he would have been "fairly standard republican"), but I don't know if "moderate" beats out Trump even 1 vs 1 right now. His approval is very high with Republicans still, and a lot of them like his more abrasive approach towards immigrants (legal or otherwise). The people that like all the stuff he's highlighting wouldn't vote for him the general (or aren't that likely to, at least) and probably don't vote in the Republican primaries. Unless things get really bad for Trump I don't think any one has a good shot. And even if things get really bad he'd just say "fake news" and like 65% of his supporters would believe him. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:905183652] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>Like he's positioning himself as a moderate (which is strange because just a couple of years ago he would have been "fairly standard republican"), but I don't know if "moderate" beats out Trump even 1 vs 1 right now. His approval is very high with Republicans still, and a lot of them like his more abrasive approach towards immigrants (legal or otherwise). The people that like all the stuff he's highlighting wouldn't vote for him the general (or aren't that likely to, at least) and probably don't vote in the Republican primaries. Unless things get really bad for Trump I don't think any one has a good shot. And even if things get really bad he'd just say "fake news" and like 65% of his supporters would believe him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CelesMyUserName 07/16/18 3:27:10 PM #379:	Trump ain't getting primary'd. He could have if Republicans actually challenged him to this point, but they just laid back and defended everything to play for the base, converting the party to the Party of Trump now. You can't have a successful primary challenger on Republican voters who largely see nothing wrong with Trump. --- https://imgtc.com/i/1LkkaGU.jpg something something hung something horse something <cite>CelesMyUserName posted [p:905184027] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>Trump ain't getting primary'd. He could have if Republicans actually challenged him to this point, but they just laid back and defended everything to play for the base, converting the party to the Party of Trump now. You can't have a successful primary challenger on Republican voters who largely see nothing wrong with Trump.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeffreyRaze 07/16/18 3:37:55 PM #380:	Defending all of Trump's positions doesn't come down to interpretation and shared values, it comes down to complete distrust of the media. If you believe that all media is fake except the stuff you already agree with, Trump's done nothing wrong. The child separation was Obama's fault, Mexican gangs kill more people than cancer, all Muslims = ISIS, Trump's tax plan saved every taxpayer hundreds of dollars, etc. If you don't agree on the facts, then debate falls apart. --- JeffRaze, for all your random spellcasting needs <cite>JeffreyRaze posted [p:905184593] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>Defending all of Trump's positions doesn't come down to interpretation and shared values, it comes down to complete distrust of the media. If you believe that all media is fake except the stuff you already agree with, Trump's done nothing wrong. The child separation was Obama's fault, Mexican gangs kill more people than cancer, all Muslims = ISIS, Trump's tax plan saved every taxpayer hundreds of dollars, etc. If you don't agree on the facts, then debate falls apart.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CelesMyUserName 07/16/18 4:12:24 PM #381:	`"[c]entral place and influence in the [POLITICAL PARTY 1] plays the [GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATION]. The [GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATION] [is] the largest sponsor of the elections to the US congress, as well as a sponsor of The CPAC conference and other events."` damn I have no idea how to fill in those blanks --- https://imgtc.com/i/1LkkaGU.jpg something something hung something horse something <cite>CelesMyUserName posted [p:905186640] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote> "[c]entral place and influence in the [POLITICAL PARTY 1] plays the [GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATION]. The [GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATION] [is] the largest sponsor of the elections to the US congress, as well as a sponsor of The CPAC conference and other events." damn I have no idea how to fill in those blanks</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 07/16/18 4:44:53 PM #382:	Catch me up - Paul Ryan seemed to kinda speak out a little against Trump today. This feels unusual for him? https://s.amsu.ng/kMjcPuZKZxaN BBC laying it all out in that headline --- Not to be confused with XIII_Stones. <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:905188414] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>Catch me up - Paul Ryan seemed to kinda speak out a little against Trump today. This feels unusual for him? https://s.amsu.ng/kMjcPuZKZxaN BBC laying it all out in that headline</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hardcore_Adult 07/16/18 4:46:19 PM #383:	The Inflatababy's apparently Stateside-Bound... What's everyone's take on that? --- I'll get back up for good this time and I ain't comin' down... <cite>Hardcore_Adult posted [p:905188490] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>The Inflatababy's apparently Stateside-Bound... What's everyone's take on that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paratroopa1 07/16/18 4:49:39 PM #384:	XIII_rocks posted... Catch me up - Paul Ryan seemed to kinda speak out a little against Trump today. This feels unusual for him? https://s.amsu.ng/kMjcPuZKZxaN BBC laying it all out in that headline no way, paul ryan is a master of "seemed to kinda speak out a little against Trump" <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:905188668] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote><cite>XIII_rocks posted...</cite> <quote>Catch me up - Paul Ryan seemed to kinda speak out a little against Trump today. This feels unusual for him? https://s.amsu.ng/kMjcPuZKZxaN BBC laying it all out in that headline</quote> no way, paul ryan is a master of "seemed to kinda speak out a little against Trump"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 07/16/18 4:53:36 PM #385:	Oh alright I guess I don't pay enough attention to him Or in general --- Not to be confused with XIII_Stones. <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:905188874] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>Oh alright I guess I don't pay enough attention to him Or in general</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 07/16/18 4:57:06 PM #386:	Paul Ryan is basically every middle manager ever crumpled up in a ball and thrown into a government position --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:905189074] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>Paul Ryan is basically every middle manager ever crumpled up in a ball and thrown into a government position</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 07/16/18 4:57:41 PM #387:	Paul Ryan basically always goes "The President said the sky is green, and that is incorrect. But I think we can all agree that the sky would be better if it were green, so some might say the President was just laying out his plans to make sure that the sky becomes green for the country." --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:905189104] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>Paul Ryan basically always goes "The President said the sky is green, and that is incorrect. But I think we can all agree that the sky would be better if it were green, so some might say the President was just laying out his plans to make sure that the sky becomes green for the country."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 07/16/18 4:58:43 PM #388:	Paul Ryan is pretty good at trying to keep everyone on the Republican side happy at once. They'll struggle to replace him once he leaves office in January. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:905189148] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>Paul Ryan is pretty good at trying to keep everyone on the Republican side happy at once. They'll struggle to replace him once he leaves office in January.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 07/16/18 5:04:49 PM #389:	CelesMyUserName posted... damn I have no idea how to fill in those blanks It might be a guy in a basement --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:905189441] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote><cite>CelesMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>damn I have no idea how to fill in those blanks</quote> It might be a guy in a basement</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 07/16/18 6:43:00 PM #390:	Peace___Frog posted... CelesMyUserName posted... damn I have no idea how to fill in those blanks It might be a guy in a basement Is he 400 pounds? --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:905194478] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peace___Frog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CelesMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>damn I have no idea how to fill in those blanks</quote> It might be a guy in a basement</quote> Is he 400 pounds?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CelesMyUserName 07/16/18 6:45:35 PM #391:	are you invited to the grand old basement party --- https://imgtc.com/i/1LkkaGU.jpg something something hung something horse something <cite>CelesMyUserName posted [p:905194626] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>are you invited to the grand old basement party</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hardcore_Adult 07/16/18 6:56:25 PM #392:	^ Yo, that title alone sounds suspect! :) --- I'll get back up for good this time and I ain't comin' down... <cite>Hardcore_Adult posted [p:905195270] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>^ Yo, that title alone sounds suspect! :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CelesMyUserName 07/16/18 7:01:39 PM #393:	says the hardcore adult --- https://imgtc.com/i/1LkkaGU.jpg something something hung something horse something <cite>CelesMyUserName posted [p:905195542] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>says the hardcore adult</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 07/16/18 7:13:14 PM #394:	Reg posted... I am literally agreeing with the Joe Walsh that (probably) can't play the guitar for shit What a world we're in. i like how he went "i'm a tea party conservative but i don't support trump anymore" on twitter as if that's a contradiction, though. trump is an alt-right moron, he's not tea party. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:905196192] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote><cite>Reg posted...</cite> <quote>I am literally agreeing with the Joe Walsh that (probably) can't play the guitar for shit What a world we're in.</quote> i like how he went "i'm a tea party conservative but i don't support trump anymore" on twitter as if that's a contradiction, though. trump is an alt-right moron, he's not tea party.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 07/16/18 7:27:15 PM #395:	The tea party is all in on Trump and supporting Trump-like candidates --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:905196952] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>The tea party is all in on Trump and supporting Trump-like candidates</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 07/16/18 7:30:27 PM #396:	Mr Lasastryke posted... Reg posted... I am literally agreeing with the Joe Walsh that (probably) can't play the guitar for shit What a world we're in. i like how he went "i'm a tea party conservative but i don't support trump anymore" on twitter as if that's a contradiction, though. trump is an alt-right moron, he's not tea party. As if the tea party has ever been anything but a beard for the Kochs past like...the first tiny bit of it in 2010. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://imgur.com/chXIw06 <cite>Eddv posted [p:905197111] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Reg posted...</cite> <quote>I am literally agreeing with the Joe Walsh that (probably) can't play the guitar for shit What a world we're in.</quote> i like how he went "i'm a tea party conservative but i don't support trump anymore" on twitter as if that's a contradiction, though. trump is an alt-right moron, he's not tea party.</quote> As if the tea party has ever been anything but a beard for the Kochs past like...the first tiny bit of it in 2010.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 07/16/18 7:35:38 PM #397:	StealThisSheen posted... The tea party is all in on Trump and supporting Trump-like candidates that doesn't mean trump actually shares the tea party's values, though - tons of libertarians support trump but that doesn't mean trump is a libertarian. the tea party is deeply religious while trump is obviously fake christian. (i'm actually not sure how christian the alt-right in general is, though.) --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:905197400] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>The tea party is all in on Trump and supporting Trump-like candidates</quote> that doesn't mean trump actually shares the tea party's values, though - tons of libertarians support trump but that doesn't mean trump is a libertarian. the tea party is deeply religious while trump is obviously fake christian. (i'm actually not sure how christian the alt-right in general is, though.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 07/16/18 7:39:33 PM #398:	Mr Lasastryke posted... StealThisSheen posted... The tea party is all in on Trump and supporting Trump-like candidates that doesn't mean trump actually shares the tea party's values, though - tons of libertarians support trump but that doesn't mean trump is a libertarian. the tea party is deeply religious while trump is obviously fake christian. (i'm actually not sure how christian the alt-right in general is, though.) But he didn't say Trump shared the tea party's values He said as a tea party conservative, he doesn't support Trump A good majority of them do, which is why it means anything --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:905197609] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>The tea party is all in on Trump and supporting Trump-like candidates</quote> that doesn't mean trump actually shares the tea party's values, though - tons of libertarians support trump but that doesn't mean trump is a libertarian. the tea party is deeply religious while trump is obviously fake christian. (i'm actually not sure how christian the alt-right in general is, though.)</quote> But he didn't say Trump shared the tea party's values He said as a tea party conservative, he doesn't support Trump A good majority of them do, which is why it means anything</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 07/16/18 7:40:02 PM #399:	Christianity is also a common beard for basic bigotry. Thats the main issues with the Republican party. Its the party of fake libertarians and fake Christians alongside real bigots and hedge fund managers. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://imgur.com/chXIw06 <cite>Eddv posted [p:905197640] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote>Christianity is also a common beard for basic bigotry. Thats the main issues with the Republican party. Its the party of fake libertarians and fake Christians alongside real bigots and hedge fund managers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 07/16/18 7:46:13 PM #400:	StealThisSheen posted... He said as a tea party conservative, he doesn't support Trump A good majority of them do, which is why it means anything oh ok. if that's the way he meant it, it's fine. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:905197994] in Politics C... [t:76796963]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>He said as a tea party conservative, he doesn't support Trump A good majority of them do, which is why it means anything</quote> oh ok. if that's the way he meant it, it's fine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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