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So I don't remember much of anything from Rogue One but I read people saying there's a scene where some X-Wings try to hyperspace away as a big battleship appears and they all smash into it without even harming the cruiser.

So if that's true then there you go, it only works when there's a big ship and it would look fucking sweet.
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I usually can, but I think that is the only weird space battle thing in the entire series that has actually bothered me.
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Also speaking of Poe's other failure let's talk about the REAL most unbelievable thing in the movie that I haven't seen anyone else bring up:

Those bombers at the start are the most inefficient shit I've ever seen. They move at like ten miles per hour, no shields and bare minimum defenses, carry explosive ordinance that can detonate not only the entire ship but OTHER ships next to it if they go off (and they will because the ships are sitting ducks), and despite being in space are designed to "drop" bombs onto the target. I suppose in Star Wars every ship has its own localized gravity so I can let the last point slide a bit. But still, fuck those things.
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I don't think it's so much they didn't flesh it out, but the reaction you're having is exactly what they wanted to happen. They never want the audience to trust Holdo, so they set it up that way. It's not that Holdo's a bad character, but you don't like that kind of twist.

I can definitely see the complaint that the movie is TOO concerned with setting up your preconceptions and then knocking them down, but that's what I like about it.
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ZenOfThunder posted...

It's not a "minor problem" either because having poor communication between Holdo and Poe has a huge impact on the plot. There would be no Finn/Rose subplot if the communication was better, and if there was it would probably be a lot different.

But the entire point is to have a hothead pilot character who doesn't deserve to know what the plans are and makes mistakes because of it. They wanted to subvert the trope.

Maybe Holdo needed interaction with non-Poe characters, but she does fine as a leader. Everyone else has faith in her leadership and she ends up handling the mutiny effortlessly. The fact that Poe was able to figure out part of her plan from a visible display screen implies that she WAS telling other people, just not Poe because he got demoted and clearly isn't trustworthy. Stuff like that doesn't necessarily need spelled out. Every single thing Poe does in the movie justifies her not telling him in the first place!
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DeathChicken posted...

New route: Hit on Erica and damn the consequences

It would be too good for this world
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No, you don't understand. Women in movies can't say they like men or smile at them without it being romantic. That's why Rey/Poe is totally a thing too because of a five second interaction at the end of the movie!
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Holdo is not a big deal at all. All you have to do is add a throwaway line about the Resistance thinking there must be a spy on board (which seemed pretty implicit to me with them being skeptical about hyperspace tracking). I hate the "drama because simple misunderstanding" trope but this is a military situation and Holdo has no obligation to disclose the plan to Poe just because he's a main character.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Although I'm still wondering why the guards gave a shit. They were personally loyal to Snoke for some reason? Why wouldn't they just accept Kylo as the new leader following a fairly natural and typical Sith transition of power?

Everyone is loyal to Snoke. They follow him because he's "The Supreme Leader," not because he's a Sith lord, and Kylo is Snoke's weird pet that nobody likes. That's exactly in line with how Palpatine/Vader are treated in the OT, except Vader got respect. No one respects Kylo, and Hux is even about to assassinate him before he comes to after the fight (which is a great moment).
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I went from "holy shit it's Yoda!" to "oh no this is just gonna be bad fanservice" to "whoa did they get the puppet Yoda back???" It's a sweet scene.

I think in retrospect it's even better because Yoda is casually explaining every theme in the movie. Only Yoda can do it like that. So nah, definitely not pointless.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Contrast this to the end of ESB when Luke leaves Coruscant with Han captured, a missing hand, no lightsaber, and having just had his ass completely handed to him by Darth Vader - to the extent that Yoda and Ghostbi-Wan are already discussing the backup plan. That's what defeat and failure looks like.

And Rey leaves the movie with getting her ass handed to her by Snoke, Kylo leading the New Order, Luke dead, the Resistance in complete shambles, and no lightsaber. But I guess she still has both hands so she's perfect.

The whole movie is about failure! No one comes out ahead in TLJ except for the shifty codebreaker guy (which is perfect). EVERYONE fails, including the villains.
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SmartMuffin posted...

She never planned on defeating Snoke through a lightsaber duel or whatever. She went onboard with one intention, to draw the light out of Kylo, enabling her friends to safely escape.

She achieved her major objectives. Snoke almost killing her was literally part of her plan because Kylo doesn't kill Snoke without that. Just like Luke turning himself in to Vader at the end of ROTJ.

Are you serious? What part of the movie does Rey recount to others her sweet plan to kill Snoke? If you remember what actually happened, Rey is surprised as Kylo handcuffs her and takes her to meet him. He never factored in at all. The entire throne room scene is the result of Rey making a huge mistake and having to be bailed out by Kylo. And in case you didn't notice, she also failed at turning Kylo to the light side.
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Rey and Kylo also had trouble using it as more than a walkie-talkie. Kylo even mentions how he can't see Rey's environment at first.
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I want Luke to insert himself into the Force conversations that Kylo tries to have with Rey
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Also thought about Luke: Leia and Rey obviously know he's dead, but did Kylo find out? Could Luke's "disappearance" lead the New Order on a wild goose chase after him? Was that part of Luke's plan all along?

Alternatively, if Luke actually wanted to become one with the Force just so he could haunt Kylo forever like an unwanted Obi-Wan, that would be pretty fucking great.
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Nanis23 posted...

Still waiting for explanation for why Luke died

Using the Force in the biggest way we've seen in a movie isn't enough?

Also I get that he literally died but come on, the OT goes out of its way to show Jedis don't exactly "die" in the way that we think. Even in this movie there's an extended conversation with a ghost who sets a tree on fire and hits someone in the face! There's no way Luke doesn't come back.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

I've completely forgotten why the First Order had to very slowly chase the Resistance fleet and fuel-starve them over the course of 18 hours. There was a line about the Resistance ships being "just far enough out of range for cannon fire to be effective"... but then why not just close the range? Why not send 50 TIE fighters to take down the main ship during such an exhaustingly long chase? I'm sure this was addressed but I can't remember it.

They basically said that fighters sent into range while being outside of the operating zone of the flagship would get torn to shreds. I don't remember anything about why they can't close the distance, but I can't imagine these ships are built for manual travel since hyperspace travel exists. There's a lot of handwaving of how space combat works in general.

CaptainOfCrush posted...

I might be the only person who hated the post-Snoke fight. The drama there is between the central three characters - throwing the surviving two into an immediate fight with grunts robs that scene of its drama. I tend to care way more about characters and buildup than I do action scenes, so maybe that scene just wasn't for me. The audience all went "OH!" when Kylo killed that last guard with a lightsaber through the skull, but I was thinking "they just killed the fucking supreme leader, who cares."

This is just a cool scene to show Rey and Kylo actually working together instead of Kylo saving Rey and going "join me" and she goes "no." It lets Rey make the decision to save Kylo just like he saved her, because they both think they can turn the other. It's basically a really cool looking character moment.
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The worst thing about it is the rare/uncommon field abilities. I desperately need another Nopon Wisdom source and it took me forever to get Fortitude/Keen Eye.
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SantaRPidgey posted...

5th's launch is slow, but his blade gets the ability to speed it up pretty darn fast

Oh shit did I miss something that reduces the preposterously long art animations? I only have the one for autos.
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One of the fifth party member's battle lines is I'M REALLY FEELING IT

What a perfect character
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I gotta say, reading this makes me feel damn good to have never played Xenosaga and to not give a shit about KOS-MOS.
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Loved it. I think after the complaints that TFA was too "safe," they went out of their way to take as many risks as they could and I like every one of them. I particularly enjoyed the return of mysticism (aka "complete nonsense bullshit") to the Force and the tone of grey morality that's legitimately interesting to see applied to the universe in a movie.

My only real complaint is what others said about the Finn/Rose subplot. I appreciate that they committed hard to the bit and the plot twists with it, but idk if will hold up on a rewatch. Oh and Poe definitely gets off too easy for basically sending those two to their deaths and ultimately dooming the fleet.

As far as speculation goes, I kinda feel like they're setting up for a bigger timeskip for the last movie. With all of the Resistances allies unresponsive but Luke's legend starting to spread, it sets up for them to rebuild before a large confrontation. Also gives all the galaxy's Force-sensitive janitor kids time to grow up. Not to mention, it allows them to gracefully write off Leia.
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So what does the field skill requirement when ranking up the mercs to Rank 3 do? I failed the last one but it still counted as completing the mission.
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Eternal Sonata.

Not really just the ending itself, but mostly the game is bad, then the ending is a letdown, THEN the characters keep lecturing you over the credits when I just wanted to be happy I could stop playing the game.
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oh man the heel ruby episode

That was a pretty good fakeout
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Well those are pretty big losses for Seatstory. Forsen has done drunk/hungover casting before and Reynad's salty commentary is always great.

I do like watching Reynad's stream a lot, but I wouldn't exactly call him one of my "favorites."
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If you didn't watch Seatstory Cup I recommend watching the video of the loser's bracket match they closed out the day's stream with. Specifically game 2, there's a pretty neat skill-intensive control matchup.

Is anyone watching Seatstory? It's usually a lot of fun and the only "normal" HS tournament I'll go out of my way to watch.
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Pay them back for the ticket, then don't go.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

I finished chapter 4 last night. Maybe because I had heard bad things so I was expecting the worst, but I really enjoyed it. I also had no problem using 2 party members; may have been over leveled.

I for sure was so overleveled during that section that most of the enemies wouldn't even attack me. Rest exp is very strong.
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Tomba42 posted...

Although in a way if you think about it the story is kind of cool in that its only about 70, 75% insanity instead of 100% gibberish.

Like someone else pointed out, it's because the algorithm generates a keyboard of words and the user writes with it. That's why it's coherent, but weird. They made them publicly available too, it's pretty neat.

https://twitter.com/botnikstudios/status/940707220324356096
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I sent Azami off on a unique merc mission and it's listing the eta as ???. 2 or 3 hours should have passed in-game by now because I've done a bunch of other missions.

Do I actually need to progress this myself somehow? She's slowing my merc progress down.
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Ok I was on the fence about the season pass because I don't know if I wanted it and the immediate item pack wasn't great but

3 Overdrives
30k ether crystals for Poppi

You have my god damn attention
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Oh shit, Booster's back! Jurgens Booster, but hey it's better than no Booster.
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Punnyz posted...

It seriously felt like its been years

This is also what it feels like being up to date so no big loss.

There's only 10 episodes out after I Am My Mom so you'll be most of the way caught up.
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Elemental weaknesses. Otherwise, yeah. It's a moot point though because after the chapter you get the ability to freely switch even mid-battle, no cooldown required.
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https://imgur.com/a/LvO5F

So uh....double deathrattle + Val'anyr is one fucking HELL of a drug.

Sadly this is the only time I pulled it off in that run. I completed it, but my final boss was The Darkness so I had to cheese him with Uther's horsemen.
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I got excited and then remembered I bought this game years ago on Steam and never played it.

One day.
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Rex: ATK-ATK-HLR
Nia: HLR-HLR-TNK (thinking about transferring over an Ether ATK rare blade I have on Rex though)
Tora: lol
Morag: TNK-HLR-ATK

I'm trying to branch out and maybe play as someone other than Rex, too, but I'm waaaay too used to his timings for cancelling his autos and arts. I also have grown to like having healers on everyone, though all of my "healer" blades seem to just have an attack that spawns potions and that's it.
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I got to fatigue The Darkness as Shaman. Felt amazing. Thrall is very good against one 5/5 per turn once you run him out of removal and board wipes. AND I had double battlecry, which let me evolve my board for +4 mana on play, which is nuts.
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About 40 hours in and it's very good. In terms of gameplay, if you liked the first one you should like this as well once you figure everything out. The quests are a bit better and there's a lot of QOL improvements (aside from the map, which is the worst). And of course, the gacha system of rare blades is bad, though in practice it is not much of an issue unless you have the worst luck.

Oh and while the story itself seems fine, the tone is completely different. If Xenoblade 1 is a fairly serious mecha anime, 2 is a saturday morning cartoon.
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I jumped on to JL since I saw the creative change. It's an interesting issue and I'm looking forward to seeing where it goes. Though it was a bit contrived that Wonder Woman lets a dude stab a nun despite being right there.

I also read the latest Batman even though I'm not caught up on King's run because I wanted some Batman/Superman interactions. Awesome issue and I loved the last few pages. It's an interesting take on their relationship that also gives depth to the characters.
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finished the Tranquility sidequest

what the fuck.
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So has anyone else experienced random crashing? I've had two. The first time it crashed trying to load a cutscene, ended up not being so bad. This time it crashed just in a random store menu and I lost an hour of progress. Huge bummer.
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I beat Togwaggle with Druid basically only because he used the card that turns all his cards in hand into Legendary minions, which were way easier to deal with than his OP treasures. I got him on Druid my first attempt and not even a turn 1 10/10 could defeat him.
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I'm not a fan of Poppi's Maid Mode but otherwise she and Tora are fine.
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I don't think it's actual claymation/stop-motion, but CGI done in that similar style, like The LEGO Movie. It's even Lord and Miller.

Still looks fucking sweet though.
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I can't believe Wonder Woman wants me to buy Skryim
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My first run with Dungeon run I got destroyed in Boss 5 who was the double battle cry guy. He did Dirty Rat into MCT. I wasn't even mad. Seems like a fun mode.
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Haven't really been playing much but I came back for this. Got Mage weapon from login, bought 21 packs with gold, got Hunter weapon.

Now, I haven't paid TOO much attention to spoiler season, but I'm told the Hunter weapon is a pretty spicy meme. Unfortunately, I opened zero "To My Side!"s.
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KommunistKoala posted...

so the blue ring/glow/whatever when you use an art means you did a proper cancel right

Yeah that's it. You can also cancel artes into Specials and there's apparently a Driver skill that lets you cancel artes into other artes that's super useful. I feel like cancelling on the third hit is too slow and I just end up charging up other artes anyways and have no reason to switch Blades. That seems like the missing piece.

Kinda nuts I'm 20 hours in and I only "kind of" have a grasp on the battle system. And I definitely don't have all the systems unlocked yet.
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