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Lil_Bit83 posted...

TC doesn't want to listen to reason. Why should we listen at this point?

You haven't given any reason to listen to.

Xatrion posted...

Things such as religion have no place being in a place of learning.

They absolutely do when talking about cultural context and their impact on history.

Lil_Bit83 posted...

And I say again no.

Then you're wrong.

Lil_Bit83 posted...

And I'm having a hard time believing you don't want Christianity shoved down kids throats at this point.

That's a you problem.

Lil_Bit83 posted...

But it is a dumb idea. Look at separation of church and state. Look at the dumb ass fanatics who want to force feed everyone their religious beliefs.

Separation of church and state has nothing to do with this. It doesn't ban education about the texts, it bans public schools teaching the actual religion.

Lil_Bit83 posted...

No. It's one thing to teach about religions in world history and social events, but not texts. That should be left to the parents at home. This is because it will refuse to be fair in terms of representing other religions. If parents want their kids to learn religious text then they can teach that shit at home.

Learning what's actually in them is important, and also integral to teaching their context for literature and culture in general.

Strider102 posted...

Sure, as long as it's also taught that genocide was conducted by people in the name of these religious texts.

But we know that won't happen.

That should be taught as well.

Bigpapaplut posted...

Good and everywhere else should do the same thing and also stop breeding them until they all finally go extinct

This should be a ban but instead mods defend immoral laws, what a joke

Cephalopods posted...

I disagree, the same parables from religious text can be taught without the religious context.

It's not about teaching the parables or the stories so much as teaching how they've influenced things.

Specifically how they've influenced literature and culture over the ages, which can't really be done without teaching the actual content.

Guide posted...

You do if the potential results are worse than the potential good. C'mon now, don't let the people riling you up also make you stubborn to genuine criticisms.

But it won't be.

DnDer posted...

From a firearms instructor, in and out of the military. And he's written... a goddamn novel's worth of words on gun safety and training in at least 14 parts.

And he's done more with more guns than any weekend warrior or NRA stooge has ever dreamed of.

I think I'll defer to him.

https://www.stonekettle.com/2015/06/bang-bang-sanity.html

Accidents born of inteptitude are still accidents. Accident doesn't mean there is no blame.

Guide posted...

Eh, I get that a lot of people are kneejerk misinterpreting you, but there's not been any proof yet that this would not be abused.

Like, The Bible Belt, man.

Then enable it and go after the abusers. It's a non issue, you don't block a good thing because some might misuse it.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

At least to me literature classes were never about seeing what influenced what and more about developing analytical skills.

It's both

crayola555 posted...

Stupid logic in this post. The point of all this is that it doesn't happen very often, but there only needs to be one...

It's just fact.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

There's really no purpose to analyse the books themselves because they aren't intended to be actual litersture, they're scripture and rhetoric.

But they've influenced literature all the same. That's what should be taught.

PraetorXyn posted...

No. Not in this country.

Ill agree that the Bible is important for understanding English literature in a classical education, for example, but if you try to do that in this country, theres no way in hell it would be taught in a non-religious manner, as this country is way too full of Christians.

I and others have given multiple examples proving you wrong.

Guide posted...

Never in-depth, but like, the Crusades? Rome's adjustment to Christianity?

I learned about them in broad strokes, what I'm talking about on a history standpoint is specifics in how the two interacted with each other, how the texts fed into government and how govenment influenced the texts.

RyukSan posted...

Amazing you dodged what he said that it would be abused.

This topic isn't seriously looking for a discussion and more likely just seeking acknowledgment.

I didn't dodge anything relevant and it is serious.

LightHawKnight posted...

Nah schools shouldnt waste time teaching bullshit. They should teach more life skills instead. Stuff you actually need to know when you are an adult and have to live.

History and culture are just as important to learn as life skills.

Murphiroth posted...

You're incredibly naive if you think this wouldn't immediately be abused.

You're incredibly naive if you think it's not important to learn.

NatsuSama posted...

Only proving my point more

You can go too.

Aysander posted...

I am confused, maybe someone can help me out here.

In middle school and high school, you would at some point have had a World History, Ancient History, and US (Or insert your country here) History course, correct?

All of those...would have covered exactly this to some extent. In World History alone, we learned about Charlemagne and how religion was intertwined with the crown, how the Crusades started and what they aimed to accomplish, how Religion helped shaped the monarchies of England and France, and what that meant for the New World and the US as well in the future.

And that's without considering that Ancient History tended to cover China, Rome, Greece, and even some older situations and how Religion impacted their cultures...

I never learned anything about religion or its influences in any of my history classes.

majin_nemesis posted...

yes it is because what's in them are the actual beliefs, you can't separate both of them since they are the same thing

Yeah you keep going on this objectively wrong thing even after being corrected, I think it's time you leave the discussion

DnDer posted...

There is never an accident when it comes to guns. There is only negligence.

There are absolutely accidents.

ai123 posted...

Yep.

They kill people.

And far, far more often they don't even hurt them.

ai123 posted...

Same could be said of some people who have cuddled a pitbull.

Not really.

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

She

I'm still curious where this is from >.>;

pnut027 posted...

My high school taught a World Religions class. It was mostly about the evolution of religion as a way to understand the world, establish baseline morality and to exert authority.

It was great and we didnt need to read any actual religious texts.

That's also a great class, I don't think I had anything like that.

Frankly I'm surprised a school in the middle of liberal Oregon approved a Bible as literature class but I'm glad they did.

Southernfatman posted...

Seems like there's too many "bad owners" then and there needs to be regulations on who can own them.

I'd be fine with licensing. I won't be fine with a ban.

AloneIBreak posted...

Lol this should be a simple, non-controversial take and everyone is in here making every possible effort to misunderstand what TC is suggesting. Y'all must think the Bible is incredibly persuasive if you're afraid of teaching about it in a secular, historical context.

Like I said, it's just mindless hate for the religion. There's some good reason for it but they take it way farther than they should.

Doe posted...

ken he's not arguing in good faith, like at all

Hey he's still better then the last guy when the riot happened that was arguing up and down there never even was a riot, who was that

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No it's completely relevant.

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

it's interested how this king created their own religion because he wanted divorce to be legal.

I mean lets be fair, that's not the worst reason we've seen for a religion/cult to be created

vycebrand2 posted...

I like to point out the total lack logic in the Noah story. So without a landbridge how did the most of the animals get to the americas? If just Noah and his family survived well starting a new pop............ lets not go there.

There's a lack of logic in a ton of the stories but that doesn't really have relevance to what's being discussed here.

asdf8562 posted...

Not only that, notice how the TC squared in on the Bible. So we can already safely guess which religion would get preferential treatment in his wet dream.

I've stated repeately how I'm open to all texts. I'm also not christian or religious at all. I've talked mostly about the Bible because that was the one I had experience with, and the one I'm most familiar with, and it's the one that tends to get brought up constantly.

Southernfatman posted...

How many times do things like this have to happen before people realize these dogs are dangerous and unpredictable?

They aren't. They just have bad owners.

NatsuSama posted...

Anything to indoctrinate children.

"I just want to teach children both sides"

It's ok that you're wrong.

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

it's like people aren't even reading the TC. She's not saying that schools should start preaching religion. She's saying that grade school students should be able to learn about religion.

She? But otherwise yeah. Learn the basics of all major religious texts, and the impacts they had.

Tyranthraxus posted...

The Bible stories are just copy pasted from older stories so why not just teach those instead.

Because The bible and other texts are where this inspiration stems from, even if they were based on other stories. That said, if the stories were based on pre-existing ones, that should absolutely be taught as well.

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He gathered people for a giveaway in a public area that he had no intent on going through with.

That's malice.

DnDer posted...

I think there's a huge pile of these topics that cite enough cause.

You think wrong.

Devilanse333 posted...

There is no wrong here. I just dont believe processing grief was the intent of the jokes.

And you're wrong.

NatsuSama posted...

You are a prime reason why I'm a hard pass.

This topic is nothing more than a not so thinly veiled hot take on a way to indoctrinate children to be more religious.

Reminds me of the similar efforts with the GOP and US history concerning non white people, and teaching "both sides."

lol nothing about this is indoctrination, you just have a hardon for brainlessly hating religion - with some good reason, admittedly - to the point you want to ignore the completely valid historical context to them.

majin_nemesis posted...

you say that but then you say this

seems like you don't believe what you are saying

No, just sounds like you lack reading comprehension. There's a ton of Christians that don't know what's actually in the bible or Quran. Ditto non religious people. Teaching what's in them is not the same as teaching the beliefs.

AloneIBreak posted...

Religion should be taught insofar as it helps to understand the history of human thought and how it has shaped the world, citing specific texts as necessary. That religious texts are not history books should be emphasized.

Yup. There's a lot of context they give to why the world is the way it is.

Devilanse333 posted...

If this were your kid, would you still process the tragedy with jokes? A Dick Cheney joke, too.

No, and I might even be on your side in being upset with him. But I'd be as wrong as you are now.

majin_nemesis posted...

you just want a way to indocrinated more kids to the church, i wonder what your reaction if they did want you are saying but instead of the bible it was passages from the coran or from hindu texts, you would probably be religious texts but no not this way

I would love that and would've loved to have that in my classes. I'm not Christian, or religious at all.

majin_nemesis posted...

how about just drop religion from the world all together and teach science instead

Because even if everyone right now stopped being religious the texts would still have a ton of significance. Your ignorance doesn't change that fact.

majin_nemesis posted...

that's teaching the actual beliefs

No, it isn't.

googs19 posted...

I'm fine with it being taught in school just like other ancient and outdated mythology.

And this is basically what I'm suggesting. Teach the influence these stories have had on our history and our culture.

apolloooo posted...

Agree. It's much better than either teaching them as dogma or not teaching them at all. Teach them with objective lens and treat it as pieces of histories and philosophies instead of in dogmatic way

Yup. Also a good way to educate on what's actually in the books, something a lot of people need to learn on both sides.

DnDer posted...

"Immoral?" That's one I don't think I've heard before.

Banning a breed without cause is explicitly immoral.

Devilanse333 posted...

A kid is dead. To me it isnt the time for jokes.

To you being the key words.

People process tragedy in a number of ways, one of them being humor.

NoMeLx22x posted...

Oh okay this guy is just gonna be dismissive of any legitimate criticism towards his dumbass take

Move along folks

Nothing dumbass about it and there hasn't been any legitimate criticism of it.

ChrisTaka posted...

Just say you don't like him lmao

Of course I don't like him. I, and everyone else in here, has very good reason not to like him, he did something shitty and dangerous.

Doe posted...

tagged and moving on, everyone else please do the same

Oh no I've been tagged what ever will I do

NatsuSama posted...

Religious text will most definitely not be taught in non religious context.

It already happens, should happen, and will continue to happen. Just needs to be more commonplace.

NatsuSama posted...

This idea would just be a foot in the door to indoctrinate children into a preferred religion.

Bahahaha

majin_nemesis posted...

how is it not? it's stops religion from having any sort of influence like it should be

Because nobody is talking about teaching the actual beliefs they're talking about teaching how the stories had a significant impact on history and culture.

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

they aren't made up stories.

They are. But that doesn't mean they don't have historical and cultural importance.

I mean hell, I can only think of one story I read in high school english that actually happened.

GiftedACIII posted...

The scary part is that some groups seem to be trying to repeat this.

They always will, so we just have to keep making them fail.