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StealThisSheen posted...

Doesn't mean we answer poorly sourced research with equally poor generalizations.

okay genius let me break it down for you

blizzard: what gamers want is for characters to represent themselves
(some) gamers: no we don't
massively large brained egghead: HEY! CUT THAT OUT! YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR EVERYONE!! >:^|

my response is not some sweeping generalization that there is not a SINGLE gamer who wants to see characters representative of themselves. it's a refutation to the idea that blizzard's premise is true. this is because I am speaking from a position that I feel very confident that "more diversity" is not a priority for a majority of gamers, and I know this because I'm one of those gamers who doesn't care about it at all.

now, blizzard literally published an article about how important this subject is, they funded research on it, they developed "tools" to help achieve their goal. to them, according to their own words, they believe that adding diversity to games is the MOST important aspect of development. they did all of this because this subject is SO important to them and they believe that it is true. (in fact, they believe in it so much, that as soon as there was any backlash they immediately posted an edit on their original article backpedaling on their stance!) blizzard is a multi billion dollar company with the ability to reach the eyes and ears of a massive audience.

now, on a message board post that maybe 50 people will read, I used the word "we" when you can argue I should have used the word "I"

it might be possible that blizzard is trying to speak for everyone just a little bit more than I am.

StealThisSheen posted...

Surely you see how you don't speak for everybody

surely you see how blizzard's poorly sourced research doesn't speak for everybody

can you think of any reason why a person might hate a company that molests its female employees and supports authoritarian regimes? I know it was discussed at the last gamergater dogwhistle meeting, and we all agreed that hating on blizzard was a way to secretly identify ourselves to each other

but I'm just wondering if there might be some other, legitimate reason that is causing otherwise normal people to be mistaken for gamergaters

dancing_cactuar posted...

Oh so it was even worse situation than I remembered, that's real nice of Blizzard.

it's even WORSE

they initially also fired and gave a permanent ban to both of the casters who simply interviewed the guy after the match. but then after a bunch of backlash the casters got to keep their jobs.

dancing_cactuar posted...

like the guy who supported Hong Kong in Overwatch league or something and got banned.

it was hearthstone and not only did they ban him, he actually WON the tournament and they took away his prize and his win, and banned him from all future tournaments

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXTJU_H13Zg

some nijiboys played yume nikki

"We want to see ourselves represented in games"

no we don't.

literally one sentence into their mission statement and it's already entirely built upon a fallacious and incorrect assumption

two more sentences in and they are citing some bizarre survey which specifically says that it did not actually use any kind of representative sampling. the literal introduction to the paper is more or less 'this survey isn't valid, we just asked around by word of mouth.'

guess the eggheads at blizzard put all of their diverse brains together and found a way to understand the validity of a paper that denounces its own validity in the opening statement.

this is the power of an elite

https://youtu.be/NyejSTh4_RU

pulled over once while speeding on my way to class, didn't get a ticket. not sure if me going to class had anything to do it with, or being young, or just the fact that I had nothing else on my record at the time. or maybe he was just in a good mood. could have been any number of reasons.

one time while driving on the highway I was like ultra speeding and I went through an area with one of those cameras that supposedly takes pictures of you. I saw it flash but never received any ticket later. my theory is that I was driving at light speed so the camera didn't have time to actually capture my image...

I was pulled over and ticketed due to driving with an expired registration. in the state where I was living you could basically just do this forever until you are ticketed. then if you get the registration renewed before the court date, they drop all charges and you pay nothing. and if you don't, you can just keep asking for an extension. although it is a problem if you get pulled over again without fixing it while you already have the ticket, so there is still potential consequences. anyway, got it renewed and the ticket was dropped.

RamzaxAlma

I would say don't spoil yourself if you haven't played it already. I guess looking stuff up could be useful if you want to know how trade evolutions work, for example, but there's lots of other changes that are SO cool when you stumble into them for the first time without knowing.

I played it for a bit. I agree it's a really cool idea and very well made. I'm not sure if I give the edge to RR or Crystal Clear as my favorite pokemon hack but I will say that I didn't play enough of RR yet to make a final decision. This topic is making me want to get back to it...

I heard about that too. Pretty sad. I know Mika said that the problem will be resolved for her in a few days but it might suck for some of the smaller indie channels who don't really have as much resources to deal with a really dumb situation like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=530lDMWoDlk

seriously what the fuck is koyori doing

she was studying english, I took a nap, I wake up, she's still studying english

I go to watch a movie

I come back, she's streaming baseball

this girl is going to die at age 30 from a heart attack due to lack of sleep

I love how you have detailed logs of how much content you've watched of each person down to the second and then your actual ranking is just "I like these two and these other two"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfdLsTfFtyY

the promised polka

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miikci7EgHs

kateee posted...

damn

i want to do full rankings too but i'm still not familiar enough with some people :(

just do what I did and put all of the nobodies in a group together right above whoever's design you like the least. (doing these rankings actually made me realize that I forgot what Uki looks like...)

I have it on good authority that Jack the Stripper was close friends with Buddy Hasta

what did the fish do to you

kateee posted...

Is this referring to a specific instance?

I remember he did this one scene where he was like obviously being sarcastic but basically the whole thing was just him bragging about how much money he makes and how great his life is. I don't know, for someone who just lives off of the donations of others it came across in really poor taste. I'll stress again that he was clearly being facetious and was like, making a mockery or a joke of people who use money and status as a symbol but... it just felt really awkward and weird to listen to him bragging about that stuff and talking down to the chat that is literally funding this performance.

And yes, I understand what sarcasm is. I understand that he was being sarcastic. But a person being sarcastic doesn't automatically make any joke funny. In this case, I think it's a case where it's something that just shouldn't have been said, since there was no real benefit to making that joke and it created an awkward atmosphere (for me personally)

But I do really like him aside from that I know he's not trying to be malicious. He actually seems really nice. So it's not like I hold it against him in any kind of huge negative regard. But it is something that made me cringe and it's hard for me to rank him above any of the livers who have never made me react the same way.

... I just joined this unarchived Pomu karaoke stream at the absolute perfect time

she is singing a modified version of Hellfire from the Hunchback of Notre Dame while holding an Elira dakimakura

The Mixed Bag

Mysta : I'm kind of ambivalent about Mysta. Some of the stuff he does and says I find to be amazing. Other times I just find him a little bit too awkward. I don't want to come across as a hater, because I do like him, but there's a few minutes worth of content from him I've seen that I probably wish I had not seen. If not for that, he'd be above Pomu for sure. So yeah he's the "high peaks, low valleys" type where it's tough for me to give him anything other than an average rating after balancing out the positive and negative sides.

Selen : Honestly when I first found out about Selen I thought she was hilarious. Her laugh is amazing and the stuff she says, and the way she says it, is HIGHLY entertaining. That being said I think she is really the definition of 'a little bit of Selen goes a long way.' Maybe that's just me, personally. It reminds me of when I watch Regular Show and after a few episodes I stop finding Rigby funny and I have to stop watching the show for a while before I can come back to it and find him funny again. She's not bad by any means, and I can definitely laugh at her clips if viewed sparingly. But she's not for me in terms of someone I'd watch on a regular basis.

Rosemi : Yeah Rosemi is like... okay. Livers that use a character voice are usually pretty hit or miss for me and in this case I do find the voice to a miss. She actually has some funny antics, and I have enjoyed several of the clips I've seen from her but... I don't think I could ever watch a stream of someone who was talking in this character voice the entire time. Even just watching clips of her it starts to bother me after a few minutes.

"We Don't Talk About This Tier" Tier

Reimu : Okay I am going to be totally honest, I think Reimu is the member who has been around for the longest that I absolutely know the LEAST about. I have only ever seen her in collabs and even then, it was rare. I'm pretty sure I've seen people talking about how she is the least popular member so I'm not going to bully her or anything. She seems funny, but I have no idea what she even does. Maybe if I look into it, I would find that I liked her. She goes above more than I expected, just because I like her design more. In that sense, you can consider everyone below this line to be people I have no strong opinion on.

Ike : I think I would like him more if I have seen more of his content, but then I just... haven't. I think he's also very popular if I'm not mistaken? Maybe a year from now I'll have a bigger appreciation for him, but until then I'll likely just see bits of him here and there. Honestly the same thing happened with Elira, I rarely watched her at all around the time she debut, and I only started really liking her a while later.

Vox : He seems okay. I don't think he has done very many things that I was interested in watching. Or at least, if he does, then I missed those activities. I don't really consider myself as someone who hates male vtubers, or isn't interested in male vtubers, so it's not that. If there's anything I can say in my defense it's that normally I'm not as interested in the same things that other people find popular. And with him being massively popular, there's probably something he does that appeals to a lot of people, but doesn't appeal to me.

Luca : I don't love or hate his content, I think he's decent in collabs with others, but I have at least a mild dislike for his design. He basically rounds out bottom of the tier of completely neutral NijiEN members.

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Fulgur, Uki, Yugo : Yeah so unfortunately I'm not as familiar with all of the members from the newest generations yet. Part of the reason why I probably kept putting this off. But honestly I'm familiar with a few of them, so I decided to just talk about the ones I have experience with. I know a tiny bit about each of these three members, but I won't subject them to being unfairly rated at this point in time. They would probably all be above Luca though lmao sorry Luca fans...

@NijiSimps

Tied for First Tier, Okay?

Enna : She has an amazing singing voice and I love her acapella videos that she used to release more frequently in the past... but I don't think I've seen as much recently? Listening to her tell stories about weird stuff that happened to her in her real life is seriously amazing. She is such a funny storyteller but also makes the stories really interesting to listen to, even if it's a story about nothing happening.

Millie : Highly entertaining. I think her and Enna often get closely associated together and honestly it's tough for me to even separate them. I feel like Millie's humor is both more crude and less refined, but when you're in the mood for that... there's nothing else like it. Nobody else, not even Enna, truly delivers the Millie Parfait experience.

They're Really Great Tier

Alban : I think he's great. One of the funnier male members in my opinion. He seems to always be active in the types of collabs and clips that are right up my alley. He has that sort of distinctive laugh and energy that is similar to what made me love Selen at first. But unlike Selen he seems to have more of a handle on it and doesn't overuse the laugh or the energy.

Shu : I think I like him for very similar reasons to Alban, and it may take a while for me to mentally separate them enough to rank them fairly. Similar to Enna and Millie, although in the case of the two girls it's more because they really do associate with each other in a more active sense. Anyway, I think I like him slightly less than Alban right now, but I like them both a lot, and for the same reasons.

Elira : She has a GREAT voice, and a very good personality for a streamer. One of the few where I have turned on streams of her doing random things, even things that I don't particularly care about, just because Elira was the one streaming it. She's not as bombastic, funny, or "entertaining" as some of my higher rated members. But the fact that she is so watchable without needing to meme or constantly crack jokes, really shows her strength.

Show Your Appreciation Tier

Finana : She is sort of a prototype character for what Millie and Enna would later establish and refine. And in a very typical fashion, I do think the 'students' have already surpassed the 'master' in ways. Finana feels a little bit more like someone who is clearly awkward, and sometimes feels embarrassed to reveal some of the details about herself. She still has that comedic delivery of saying or doing inappropriate things out of nowhere, but I think Finana would appeal more to someone who likes to tease the concept, play innocent at times, and toe the line... while Enna and Millie are more about appreciating performers who have no shame, and don't hold back at all. For me, I prefer the latter. Still, she was one of my favorite, if not my favorite, NijiEN member for quite a while.

Petra : Petra to me is one of those streamers who is fairly entertaining, but I always get the sense that at times her chat generates more content than she does. There are so many Petra clips that are basically just her reading and responding to things that her chat says or comes up with. That being said, I've watched a stream of her playing music and it was fantastic. I wish she would do more streams like that. It left such a strong impression on me that, combined with the fact that I -do- like her, I still rate her pretty highly.

Nina : I think Nina is doing something really amazing, and I think she is doing an amazing job at it, and it's just not quite entirely for me. I don't think I'm the target demographic. Now she does have some GREAT clips. When she's funny, she's funny. I love her shorts. But her typical streaming is tough for me to watch. She's like the opposite of Elira where, even when she's streaming something that I SHOULD be interested in, I don't... really... want to watch her. Though I'll still laugh at the clips of the best moments if/when they are released.

Pomu : She's good. I might consider her for rounding out the bottom of my tier for livers that I don't actively watch, but do appreciate. I feel like all of Gen1 were a little bit out of their depth and gave this impression they didn't know exactly what to do, for a while, and it was interesting to watch them figure it out in real time. At this point I do enjoy the chaos surrounding Pomu, and her reactions to it, but I wouldn't call her one of my favorites.

Sonny : Okay, I lied. Sonny needs to go just below Pomu here. I have watched a few of his streams and I like him. He's very quiet and there's basically a 0% chance I would ever feel agitated or annoyed while watching or listening to him. But he never seems to stream at the time I watch things, or maybe Youtube just doesn't recommend his streams to me anymore, and honestly there's been a few times where I saw he was streaming and was just like 'ehh.... nah. I'd rather focus on doing X instead' I don't see him in collabs much, and I don't see him get clipped much either. If I want to compare him to a Hololive member, he reminds me of Luna. He's like, off in the corner doing his own thing, feels very separate from the NijiEN experience, and you could probably forget he exists if you aren't interested in watching his content. I would hazard a guess that like with SubaChocoLuna, he has a few close members that he does collab with at times, but I really never see him in the bigger groups, at least not the ones that pop up in my field of view.

I've lived in brown, green, red, and blue. Brown right now, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kSqSJ6kgl4

buddy hasta

(stick around to the end for some... questionable koyori voice work)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJVaK260XF4

Can you spell it? R U P?

maybe it's higher than I think it is, or maybe it's lower than you think it is. I really don't know haha

anyway, watched the above clip. funny stuff. clips like that make it even harder to figure out my NijiEN rankings because everyone is so funny, especially when they are all together.

my favorite exchange I think;
"I sent it to Millie because I thought she would be interested in it."
"And I was."

kateee posted...

are there actually people who watch unsubbed vids/streams without knowing the language?

I would say my japanese is below the level of a kindergartener and I still watch JP only streams

so yeah, I guess we exist

(it's actually great listening practice since it's a source of a person who will talk for hours in a language you otherwise don't get much practice conversationally)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGnwsd9cM-4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACImtqaabpw

The best thing about Polka is how she almost never phones it in or breaks character in her productions. It goes back to the previous discussion about singers like Lamy who sound really different when they sing seriously. Polka manages to bring her character voice and personality into her covers and still sounds good. it's a big reason why very few of her covers feel straightforward and why she makes so many of them feel like her own.

I swear, despite being fully established already, she still regularly puts in as much effort as if she was still auditioning to get into Hololive and has something to prove. It's unreal how much she still gives to her performances, and how often.

that is genuinely great news. polka's covers are always amazing. she has some of the best energy in the entire industry.

voltch posted...

Every Kanaria song gets covered, it's more of a guess as to who will be the ones to go for it.

You'd be surprised. Deco27 stuff usually gets covered too. With that being said, Animal covers were coming out on the same day that it was released. But I still haven't seen any hololive covers of Chimera after a month.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB8sxY_PJ_w

expecting some covers of this in the near future

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8IP8G95-Rc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIBzOwSS7Kk

You're laying eggs, too.

kateee posted...

when corporate vtubers graduate does their content stay up or is it extreme and everything goes

should i start archiving stuff now

is enna graduating or is this related to something else?

oh yeah here's a good follow up to the discussion last topic about Lamy's singing voice vs Lamy's character voice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7eDHROoBr4

Chloe has an incredible gap as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFGXiwhDBcE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi75qh03bPY

I believe in this hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCBdr2oN2KE

I currently have a prediction that kiara and azki will do a song collab together next month

Just posting this here so if I'm right later I will be able to reference my own genius predictions...

No, I more or less consider streams to be free entertainment. It's great that they can make a living doing this, but most of them already make considerably more money than I do. It would feel weird 'donating' to them in that situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N6kY2_W37k

I found some more of Lamy's more natural sounding deep voice in this completely under-the-radar cover from about half a year ago.

@voltch

pretty much all guys are ugly, and even anime guys who in theory should be designed to be hot, are still ugly

they must live or die by their ability to entertain us

in which case, yeah, mysta is pretty entertaining

in other news, here's this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVLqGgkGp-4

I notice Koyori is streaming again after I woke up

me; hold on a second, is this seriously Koyori's third stream in the last 24 hours?

the archive;
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/3/3/AAZU_LAADKNJ.jpg

No.

It's the fourth.

maybe if they sold a Millie cutting board I would buy it, since I chop vegetables a lot and it might be useful to have one

If you've listened to a lot of Lamy you can tell it's definitely her voice. It has the same tone, she's just singing at a more normal pitch than the forced super high pitch she normally uses while talking. 1:11 is a great example of this, you can hear the full Lamy. and then for most of the chorus you can hear her bleeding between her Lamy voice and her real voice, which makes it easier to pick up on how much of the rest of the time her real voice does still resemble her Lamy voice.

(Personally hoping she pulls a Suisei and permanently changes her speaking voice to this lower one as well... Although I will say that the Lamy character voice is one of the ones that I find pretty amusing/funny)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNHyZrpiaII

it's probably more to do with the fact that sociopathic, evil people often perceive their own sense of morals as being good and righteous. even better than the rest of us, because they know better than we do. and at times they can even CONVINCE you that what they are actually doing is good.

sure, the riddler was indiscriminately murdering people, but he was choosing targets who "deserved" to die so I guess maybe he's not that bad. but if you think about it, that's absurd. he was KILLING people. he had all of the information, he could have simply exposed their corruption. but he chose to murder them in cruel ways, and make a game out of it. he wasn't ever righteous. he was always insane.

the mask always drops. these people have an unchecked sense of self righteousnous. and no matter how much you cheer them on when they are targeting the people you hate, their indiscriminate lack of morals will eventually begin to target any people who they simply dislike. he targets bruce wayne, who we know did nothing wrong. and then he turns his ire against anyone who he perceives as having led a better life than he had. but it all started because his little cult of followers was cheering him on when he chose murder instead of exposing the corruption, because they made his head even bigger, and made him feel like choosing violence was the right thing to do.