Lurker > MariaTaylor

Aki has honored the tradition of Aki having amazing 3DLives by having another amazing 3DLive this morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mknggf96fuI

it's not even over yet and it's already been top tier

tons of EDM
korone
okayu
three elves
holo blondes
Moon Pride
gen1
fantastic song transitions
incredible I Beg You performance

sadly I've been spoiled on the guest list so I know there's no Suisei this time, but Mio and AZKi should both appear between when I write this and when it actually ends.

I see DOA XTreme something

Tom Bombadil posted...

Are you tracking that any particular way because that sounds fun

probably just add the final listed time of any stream after watching, if I had to guess. since it's down to the seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_0Zc26jkDw

I actually like this more than the Polka version, and this is coming from someone who loves Polka...

"If you attack my friends or anyone I collab with, you're a dumb fuck and I don't like you." ~ Vox

I don't think he is happy about the recent drama. But this kind of statement actually makes me like him more...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhznLI59RFo

NOT clickbait

I think this is the only Harvest Moon game where I genuinely did not like any of the marriage candidates... like choosing between the least bad or something.

pjbasis posted...

No because ~ isn't the notation for an infinitely repeating decimal.

it's the notation for a digit measured with the lowest level of certainty. this generally means you round up to the next significant figure. 0.999~ rounded up to 2 significant figures is actually 1.00 weird case where if the TC is trying to make a 0.999... topic and failing, or if they're trying to troll with a 0.999~ =/= 0.999... topic, the answer is still the same. if someone writes down 0.999~ what they really mean is 1.00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kt0nQusiLg

best ib playthrough

'it's just a person walking outside'
'this is the second floor'
'a really tall person is walking outside'

irys is a national treasure

I want to see more characters get made. Even Sora asked Miko to make a character for her.

I might have played against a vtuber in mahjong soul the other day. not sure though. their name was VT and then a bunch of kanji that I didn't recognize. the VT might have stood for something else.

on an unrelated note here are some music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCBdr2oN2KE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uN99OAINAY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4knjZf6neh4

based on the thumbnail it looked like she was going to add fubuki and mio today? is my guess correct?

I don't dislike either. There are more rap and hip hop artists that I like, a wider range of different artists, and I like them more on average. And honestly there's not that much country I actively enjoy. Some artists with country influence can utilize it pretty well, though you have to start arguing the line between folk and country at that point. Still I've probably listened to 50+ hours of rap this year, and I doubt I've listened to 50 hours of country in the last 3+ years. I guess the choice is obvious for me...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atZTqI34Ev8

My brain is clean.

I can say for certain that a character having maternal instincts doesn't automatically make a character sexist or feminist. if your only question is 'why is this sexist but this isn't sexist?' the answer is that the context is different.

context is important.

overall, if your goal is to write a feminist story, you should think very hard about what that means and try to unify the narrative under that theme. otherwise I don't think it's worth it for most authors to worry about a subject like this. people will take notice if you write good characters. people will definitely notice if you write bad characters. the truest form of artistic expression is to tell the story you want to tell, and explore the characters you want to explore. if your first step is to think about how you are going to appease twitter, you've already lost. and if you can't write good female characters and good male characters you probably shouldn't be writing anyway.

(sadly a lot of people who suck at writing both male and female characters still have jobs)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFqqGH-KZOU

It's a free-for-all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx8Z4sAmiAo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2QIaERaKDE

more lamysing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnAR38uXqYo

"I love Earth."

writing is my main hobby. and it's not even close. I play a game, I write about it. I watch a movie or TV show or anime, I write about it. basically for any hobby that I do, I always do that plus writing. for the games I've developed, I did all or almost all of the writing, always. I suppose this also applies to the many forum games I ran on board 8 as well. after learning that I don't really gain any efficiency by working with other writers, on my current dev project, I do all of the writing. I'm also currently doing a play-by-post roleplaying game as one of my main social/fun activities. which, you guessed it, involves a ton of writing.

That's understandable. It's sort of like the movie Predator. At the start, the characters believe they are in an 80's action movie, but once the Predator shows up it turns into more of a sci-fi horror. However, because of the way the film is presented, it's still basically more or less an 80's action movie from the audience perspective. So if you aren't into 80's action movies, you probably still won't like it as much.

Bloodborne is actually cosmic horror. The further you get into the game, the more things begin to unravel. Plus it has some of the best mechanics in the series. Especially with regards to weapon variety and balancing. It's worth giving it another chance and sticking with it, even if the setting isn't your thing.

foolm0r0n posted...

They are

please talk to your therapist about me. it will help you a lot more than...... whatever the hell it is you're doing in this topic.

Mac Arrowny posted...

No, 3D Dot Game Heroes was a Silicon Studio (Bravely Default studio) game. It was published by From in Japan, but that's it.

ah okay.

anyway, for me the answer is Bloodborne. though it will be a while before I get around to playing Elden Ring. I have a pretty good idea of where it will fall on my ranking just based on what I've seen about the game and heard from other people up till now.

seems to be a solid middle-of-the-pack FromSoft game which is better or worse depending on your love of open world and your hatred of unfair endgame difficulty. but that's just opinion by osmosis and it could surprise me when I play it... hopefully sometime this year.

the best anime is still Gunbuster

WiggumFan267 posted...

3D Dot Game Heroes is my #1 FROM game

That was a FromSoft game? I actually played it and I had no idea.

foolm0r0n posted...

I have been calling out dumb posts for way longer than that too. When you say something dumb and get called out it's not targeting. It's a natural reaction. That's what's impossible for you to understand.

That would be valid, except...

foolm0r0n posted...

This is the first time I have ever agreed with SEP in recent memory, and I didn't even read any of his or your posts before this. All I saw was you calling the difference between "we" and "I" pedantic, which is dumb af.

You come into a topic, don't read ANY of the prior posts between two people, just see someone arguing with me, immediately take the side of someone you by your own words almost NEVER agree with. Simply because they are siding against me.

But really even that point is beside the point.

Name literally even one person who is a member of this "anime crew" that you brought up earlier. I'm still waiting. If there is this group of people running into topics to defend me and take my side in arguments surely you can name a single one of them. Where are they right now? Why aren't they defending me in this topic? You can even use your own definition. It doesn't need to be someone who actually goes to b8anime. It just needs to be someone who always comes into controversial topics like this and takes my side.

Funny how the moment you were asked to do that, you ran away from the topic and hid for several days before crawling back to try and start more drama. Once again directed at the person you claim that you have no bias or grudge against. The moment that people began to post and discuss hard evidence, you ran away from the topic. I suspect most or all of the topics that GMUN/SEP brought up are filled with posts of yours. Posts with hostility and extreme bias aimed at me. And more topics between now and then. More than just the ones SEP was in.

You are a manipulative, gaslighting borderline psychopath who is clearly mentally unwell.

Whatever I did to you in 2007 to upset you so much, I am sorry. But I don't think I can in good faith interact with you ever again. As I said earlier in the topic, I believed that you were trolling up until now. Now I realize there is something seriously wrong with you.

MegaWentEvil posted...

Speaking of transphobia, I remember GenesisSaga literally calling Poison a 'shim' in 2013, but people turned a blind eye to it.

I even tagged her as "Called Poison a shim".

For people not caring at the time, yeah, I can believe that. There are a few very vocal pro-trans voices on the board right now, but the board has historically always been pretty transphobic. And some of the same people are absolutely still around and likely just more quiet about their beliefs. If even.

If people don't remember or don't care anymore, I just see that as the natural progression of human thought. I also don't spend any time thinking about the offensive stuff Eminem said in 1999. There's just a lot more, and more relevant things, going on right now.

There's probably a statue of limitations on how long you're supposed to be upset at someone for saying one offensive thing. Especially if it was just about ten years ago and the person was young at the time. My definition of young is under 25 though. That's the age where the average human brain finishes development. I'm also probably extremely lenient on people when it comes to offensive language since there isn't much (if any) language that personally offends me. Although obviously I can sympathize with others who are upset, I can't actually feel the genuine experience of being offended myself.

my starter guide to holoX

lui: I can't be your wife because you are dirty and you smell bad
laplus: wagahai will act as smug as possible in the most polite way possible
iroha: I didn't notice that I was wearing my 10kg weights all day after streaming
chloe: I can't help you because I stupid
koyori: I need to end my stream so that I can start my next stream

(that chloe is a direct quote. and yes, koyori is streaming right now.)

It think it's not worth discussing right now, at least not the angle that you are attempting to discuss. It's difficult to connect the notions between 'sex by deception is rape' and 'people shouldn't have to disclose their birth gender to anyone for any reason.'

The most common response you will get is that this doesn't happen very often and generally by the time you would get physically intimate with someone, it's something that most people would disclose. But of course that doesn't answer your question because you're not asking about the people who disclosed it, you're asking about the people who didn't disclose.

Chris is correct here that physical violence is not the answer. I'm not even sure if everyone would universally agree that keeping your past a secret is a shitty thing to do, even IF it ends up being a bigger deal to the other person. It depends on how you feel about transexuality. As well as people keeping other aspects of their past a secret. Like I never talked to any of my partners about some of the terrible stuff that I went through as a kid. Does that also count as rape by deception? It doesn't feel important to me to share that. So, in the end, it's more of a disagreement about what should or shouldn't be shared, rather than a clear case of people withholding information that needs to be shared. For an example of that, people need to disclose their HIV and Aids status before having sex with a partner, and most would universally agree that this stance is correct.

But here's the actual bottom line and why I think it's not even worth bringing up:

First, if you're only asking out of 100% curiosity and for no other reason... It's an extremely sensitive topic, and there are many other things going on right now that make the issue complicated and make people on both sides unable to discuss in good faith. Would you kick a hornet's nest for no other reason than curiosity? No? Then leave a subject like this alone until the conditions for discussing it are more favorable.

Secondly, if you're asking this out of genuine concern that you or someone else may be 'raped by deception' the only thing I can say is that it happens extremely infrequently. It's like worrying that a piano is going to fall on you and kill you. Would you kick a hornet's nest just because you thought it might slightly decrease the likelihood that a piano was going to fall on you and kill you at some point in your life? Surely the answer, again, is no.

the fan lazulight cover is good heartwarming stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5tg6jop-RM

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

iv>

SeabassDebeste posted...

without getting into the decade of baggage, i agree that "we don't care about having ourselves represented" is just not a very good point to make. the "we" wording is significant especially when it comes to issues of representation, and it also actively works against a positive cause, because it reads as a denial of an issue that matters to people.

I think it's a fine point to make and it is 100% intended as a denial of an issue that matters to SOME people. it doesn't just read that way. I am absolutely denying that this is what gamers want. do SOME of them want this? of course. there's always going to be a nonzero number of people who want something. do they get to speak for everybody? ironically, no. but it seems REALLY important to them that I'm not allowed to speak for everybody (even though I'm actually just speaking for the majority).

you can use "we" to refer to a group that consists of more people than just 1 but less people than 7 billion.

my ultimate response to SEP was NOT to "admit" that the use of I or we was correct. it was that "you can argue that if you want, but it's a really dumb argument to make."

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

ok but Maria's initial post of "no we don't" was also pithy and substance-less and so an equally pithy response is fine actually

this is so wrong. anyone can go back to the first page of this topic, my post is at the very bottom. I go into detail about blizzard's sourcing method and why it is poor. it's one of the only posts in the topic that actually responds to blizzard's initial report with a criticism of actual substance.

which is probably why it's so important for people to nitpick and derail anything that I say. if they DO care about representation in games, but they can't answer with an argument of equal substance, then I guess the strategy is to just make the topic into nonsense that nobody wants to read.

look at GMUN's full responses to my post, and how I responded to GMUN in this topic on the subject of blizzard. you could remove 50 posts worth of garbage and essentially condense the entire argument down to just those few posts. that's what this topic could have looked like.

on that note...

GuessMyUserName posted...

they go on to complain about methodology to "debunk" the claim, except in these counter-arguments they just use their own personal anecdotes from maria's "individual experience" with gaming and that of people they know (a friend group is not a non-biased sample)

no, I debunked the claim by citing their research paper and how their methodology is flawed. I don't understand how you're still unable to process that. sharing my own personal views on the subject just gives more information and a deeper understanding of the subject matter, but it's irrelevant to blizzard having cited bad research. polling a bunch of your friends in order to write a research paper where your stance was already decided before you did any reseach is absolutely a biased sample.

But if the supposed issue is Blizzard making a scientific claim, it's hard to take seriously and not see the deeper emotional reaction behind the objection when arguing with an even flimsier anecdote.

I responded scientifically. the anecdote only came later, in response to YOUR anecdote. NOT to blizzard.

It's just a reactive hypocrisy to find a claim so strongly objectionable and then assert your own so weakly but with "confidence" from your own feelings. it's the same confirmation bias I see commonly from my brother who does the same thing whenever he hears something he doesn't "feel" is right which is just his based on his own preconceived notions ignorant of voices who do actually care about the subject or are sympathetic to it

whatever your problems are with your brother, you need to stop projecting them onto me. this is not what I did.

truthfully though this continued discussion is just the same meaningless pedantry, it's circular and not gonna go anywhere which is where I stop my engagement and am only chiming in again because asked. my real advice is to just stop engaging, it should be clear that this page focusing so intently on "we"gate instead of the actual topic of diversity isn't worth continuing

now this I do agree on. (see above)

StealThisSheen posted...

And to answer this, there don't appear to be any other topics about gun reform that we were both in, so it appears I was, indeed, not in that topic, which you even admitted at the time you couldn't truly remember if I was or not.

there is probably someone who I called out specifically as having been in the previous topic. If you follow that person's posting history it would likely be possible to find the prior topic. not saying that you will show up in there, but it could be a further interesting look into how much this happens to me, and how long it's been going on.

StealThisSheen posted...

I can accept this if you're willing to accept that I have a right to want to start to question things like what you mean by me "attacking" you, and the severity of the arguments, and so on, because you made a specific accusation of me that I regularly attack you, snipe you with comments, and so on. I truly don't believe that to be the case, and the current evidence available to me reaffirms that feeling. I understand that you may group me together with others when I'm on the opposite side of a debate, but you basically made an accusation that I was intentionally going out of my way to jump on your case regularly, which caught me off guard because I can promise you that is not the case at all.

I can see why you feel that way. I don't know if I conveyed my message poorly, or if it was just poorly understood. I'd have to read back through this topic to see exactly who said exactly what.

But the reality is just this; My stance isn't that you (or anyone else really) is INTENTIONALLY going out of their way to form mobs to attack me. My point is that this same shit happens all the time, in every single topic, and it always devolves into the same nonsense. And I always see the same exact names popping up.

You may be correct in thinking that you and me were not regularly arguing anytime "recently," but I was also correct in remembering us arguing in the past, in similar topics, at a time when many other people were sniping at me. Even the examples that you've looked back and check, you've really only shared what you were doing at the time. But the context was important.

What matters is what was already happening in the topic at the time, because that can change a 'minor disagreement and then fizzled out' into being literally one argument in the middle of 50 nitpicks, 'gotcha!' remarks, etc. from my perpsective.

Saying it happens is not the same as saying that every person involved is intentionally going out of their way to try and bully me. If I had to say, there's probably 4 or fewer who are guilty of that. But a handful more who just straight up dislike me and will take any chance to snipe at me in any topic where I post. Add onto that any other random person who also joins in, and it gets pretty annoying pretty fast. I guess however I phrased it earlier in the topic may have given the wrong impression.

StealThisSheen posted...

The rest were either me speaking about a character, like Maria Bramford, or referencing you as the topic creator when talking to somebody else. I bolded the ones where we actually argued, which was three times. One of them I felt was very civil, one of them we admitted we got off on the wrong foot and ended fine, and the only one I'd say got truly heated was the save state one, but you attacked me first. Three times over many years, and only one actually got heated. I feel like my position of not remembering being part of a group of users that gang up on you seems fairly justified.

sure. personally I don't think it's actually valid for you to totally forget about it, and then once confronted with evidence just continue on. but either way, if you think you're justified, then so be it.

but I also feel that my stance is justified. while you may not consider yourself to be a part of the group, the reality is that if 10 people are arguing with me, and you are number 11, you're going to get remembered as part of the group. it's not about the severity of the argument, it's about the ridiculous extent of topic derailing from multiple users all nitpicking the same person.

(this topic itself is not a good example, for the record. well, it's a good example of foolmo's insanity but otherwise there is no real ganging up in this topic.)

as evidenced by my earlier post, I had remembered specifically arguing with you in the gun control topic. and I knew we had argued several times before, maybe not the exact severity or extent. but, once again, this isn't solely about you. it's a pattern of behavior involving multiple users.

as I said in my earlier post, maybe it's true (or not) that you were unfairly lumped in with others. but that only happened because you coincidentally were doing the same thing as some of them, at the same time as some of them. probably on multiple occasions, but maybe just one (with other misc arguing in between) if we want to give you the extreme benefit of the doubt. there are very likely other times we interacted where you never said the word maria. where either I or you used different usernames. or it just didn't get logged somehow. I'm also not going to read all of these old topics, so anything that you report is likely to have at least a slight bias in your own favor. and most importantly, even if you don't INTEND to do something, that doesn't mean that it's not happening. you can still be a member of a group all performing the same action, even if it wasn't premeditated.

(And yes, ChaosTony is one of them.)

okay well being 100% honest if you have anything you want to say about the other 12 paragraphs I wrote, beyond just the one line that you thought you could nitpick, I am here for it. but I don't really have any interest in further arguing what constitutes as 'ganging up,' 'intent,' exactly what you meant when you said it had been a 'long time' since you responded negatively to any of my posts, or accusing me of mistaking you for someone else.

StealThisSheen posted...

For what it's worth, I think he's saying we interacted in those topics, not specifically that I attacked you in them.

sure. even giving you the MOST favorable interpretation, my memory of us having an exact argument where I accused you of doing the same thing, and you claimed it wasn't true... and then claimed again in this topic that it wasn't true... is still accurate.

and keep in mind this isn't solely about you, but it's you in a category of users who exhibit a similar pattern of behavior. is it possible that you're unfairly lumped together with them because you "only" went out of your way to try and zing me 2 or 3 times instead of 5, or 8, or 10 times?

I don't know.

I think someone who is the target of constant nitpicking and trolling for at least 8 years should have at least a little bit of the benefit of the doubt. I remember users who have done it, and that it's happened a lot. I don't remember exactly how many times each one of them was involved.

the fact that you genuinely believed that you had NEVER argued with me, and then quickly found evidence that it had happened, and that topic involved a similar discussion where you claimed you never argued with me before even though I said you did... should at least get your brain rolling a little bit. surely you have to consider that I might actually be onto something here.

foolmo in particular is a hilariously outrageous example because he's literally the president of the "this never happens to maria" committee even though he's been doing it just about as long as I've been posting on board 8.

KamikazePotato posted...

Oh, this became one of 'those' topics

they always do!

that's the point I'm making.

GuessMyUserName posted...

3 of which I figure are controversial (Politics Containment 86 in April 2017, a Corrik topic in October 2017, and a Corrik topic in August 2018)... maybe possibly another one about relationship advice labeled [blogfaqs] in August 2019

so I'm going to round a little bit in my favor here but, including this topic, that's 4 times in the last 5 years. I'm someone who only posts in a big topic like this once, maybe twice each year. as I said, if you put money on him as one of the candidates to be arguing against me, you'd probably come out ahead.

also keep in mind that any of these 2017 and later topics are AFTER I returned to board 8. before that, I had left for years because of people doing the same thing. it was arguably even worse before I left the board. this has a very long history of happening, and no amount of foolmo trying to gaslight is going to change history.

not sure if GMUN is trying to downplay this or admitting that it is true, but you pretty much just posted evidence that yes, my memory of SEP being among the people ganging up on me in previous topics was in fact accurate. going back years.

StealThisSheen posted...

and it seems mostly civil? We disagreed, but it never got to anything even resembling personal attacks, that I can see.

the issue isn't personal attacks, the issue is 5, 10, or more people constantly attacking me in every single topic. and it's always the same people.

furthermore, did I address you first? or did you quote one of my posts and pile on with like 6 other people who were already trying to argue with me about a shit ton of pedantic nonsense. it's annoying, it's topic derailing, and it always happens. and I am NEVER the one who instigates it.

it's always people quoting me, and addressing me first. my interaction with you in this topic is a very, very rare exception in that while I technically did address you first, it was because you responded to someone that was essentially just agreeing with my post.

StealThisSheen posted...

For what it's worth, after reading it more, what I apologized for in the gun reform topic was you bringing up a topic where you posted data before and said people ignored it or something then demanded the same data in a later topic, and I said I didn't remember being in such a topic but apologized if I was, and then you said you honestly couldn't even remember if I was in it or not, you were just referencing things that happened, and then the "I don't care much for apologies" bit. That was about as heated as it got.

this does sound accurate, yes. I remember having a conversation along those lines which is why it's especially annoying when you, again, later claim that you think we have no history of arguing with each other. so like... obviously you were wrong this time. you say it didn't happen, say that I am confusing you for someone else; when we look back, we see the evidence that it did actually happen. so was it the same in that topic? were you actually in the previous gun control topic as well?

(okay that timing was great, I literally called an exact topic seemingly as SEP was finding it)

Lopen the guy who has never been to b8anime and I have only had a private discussion with one time. In 2018. never before and never after. And literally takes my side 1/2 the time and argues against me the other 1/2 of the time.

gotcha.

and who else is in this "anime crew"?

GuessMyUserName posted...

as log admin I can make more specific searches

there are 5 topics since 2021 that have contained posts from both MariaTaylor & StealThisSheen

3 of which don't seem to be controversial topics, and of the other two, 1 is this topic, the other has zero interaction between the two users

checking beyond 2020 there's a lot more but skimming through I don't see much in the way of controversial threads except for maybe the one that shouldn't be controversial but I haven't actually looked into it

check 2018, check VsuikoV if you can although I didn't find any of my posts from that username in the database at all, make sure to check other usernames that SEP would have used. you can also specifically search for things like gun control and also a topic where foolmo claims that everyone (every single human being) is racist.

yes I do realize the irony of me talking about posts from 5 years ago after what I just said to foolmo, but keep in mind this is me claiming that they've been doing the same shit for years. so obviously you do have to go back years to find evidence.

shit, I hope tazzyboyishere or poisson come into this topic to back me up. they are the only ones who can save me from foolmo's genius level intellect

StealThisSheen posted...

I can't find any actual history of this in the logs or even just Google searching our names. I really think you have me mistaken for somebody else. Hell, I didn't even reply to you, you first replied to me replying to somebody else.

you replied to someone that was quoting my post, rather than respond to me directly.

anyway, there's like 8 databases worth of posts and unfortunately database 1 has like 80 pages worth of posts from me. so yeah, I'm not going to search through it all to find evidence. it's honestly not that important. I know. you either know and you're pretending not to, or you genuinely don't know. either way, doesn't actually change the situation.

foolm0r0n posted...

To be clear on my end: I'm saying Maria cries about "people always teaming up" when it basically never happens against them (it's unrelated sets of people, and yes I am sometimes part of those set), but ignores when it happens in their favor (the anime crew, every single time)

holy shit this is honestly like a new level of sad and pathetic. nobody from b8anime ever posts in topics like this, and rarely ever posts on this board to begin with. genuinely not for at least 5 years. probably closer to 10. we almost never discuss anything that happens on board 8. and most of the users in the current chat are not even people you would know or remember.

I can only imagine that you are somehow thinking about some incident that occurred, legitimately like 10 years ago and you are still butthurt about it. there's no other explanation for making a statement like this. it's truly bizarre, weird, and just... seriously, sad. on some level I think, up until right now, I believed that you were just trolling. but now I'm starting to believe you actually really are holding some kind of insane grudge. how could literally anyone actually make the claim that people from b8anime are running into topics to stick up for me. that's just... what? you mean like during user of the year 2007 or something? do you know what fucking year it is???

just block me and move on. your life will be so much better, I promise you.

StealThisSheen posted...

I'm very curious where you get this idea, since we rarely interact. I'm also not STA. Are you confusing me with somebody?

because I rarely post and every single time that I do, you do this.

and yeah, I think someone earlier in the topic said STA and I just started using that mistakenly because it's easier than typing out your full username (or referring to you as SEP since I usually don't refer to people by old usernames after they change them). but I am talking about you, I know who you are.

StealThisSheen posted...
Just, instead of fully admitting it and just moving on, since that's where the actual discussion between the two of us ends, you decided to take it as a personal insult, which lead to this ranting and raving.

nobody is ranting and raving. people with actual thoughts, ideas, and beliefs are capable of typing full paragraphs. I said you "can" argue about it. that doesn't mean you should. do you also argue with people who aren't referring to literal water under a literal bridge when they say "it's water under the bridge"?

Tom Bombadil posted...
I am fine with this whole post but if you look back at your first post in this topic I think you'll find it eliminates a lot of the nuance necessary to convey your position. Yes the I/we thing confused the issue, but I think also responding to the "diversity is *most* important" part rather than the "we want representation" part would've helped.

maybe, maybe not. I am chatting on a message board with casual peers. I'm not writing a dissertation. the reality is that if ANYONE else had made the post that I made, 90% chance that nobody would have cared about the I/We distinction. similarly, if I made a different post,some of the same people still would have found something to nitpick about it. you can literally go on (archive) and find any precursor topic to this one that I have posted in; something where people are arguing about politics, culture, or identity. you could put MONEY on the fact that foolmo, STA, Lasa would be among the people nitpicking and responding with zingers to every thing that I say. and you would most likely come out ahead.

EDIT: I do want to mention in Lasa's defense that he PM'd me to ask something about this, and after we had that discussion I really don't remember him responding to any of my posts after that. so while I did bring him up because he would be contained in the same post history, I don't want to unfairly group him together as someone who is currently still doing this (to my knowledge)

GuessMyUserName posted...
And yes you're more than free to actually tackle the methodology at which point I would ask who is being pedantic and why?

1. the ones who took the survey actually debunked their own methodology. that's why I'm in stunned belief that blizzard would choose to cite this survey.
2. my response was not pedantic at all. it's not like I was criticizing them for giving the wrong title to their survey which poorly represented what it was about. they are making a scientific claim and backing it up with really poorly sourced data. pointing out issues with the methodology of other people's research is not pedantic, it's the foundation of the scientific method.
3. why? the reason I responded is because I hate bad research. and I hate blizzard.

foolm0r0n posted...

You sure you didn't mean to quote-lecture Lopen about this? This is the first time I have ever agreed with SEP in recent memory, and I didn't even read any of his or your posts before this. All I saw was you calling the difference between "we" and "I" pedantic, which is dumb af. Just admit you accidentally used generalizing language. It's such a simple little mistake. Yeah we're 30, so that means we should stop caring about correct use of language? No. But it does mean you should be able to admit a tiny mistake.

the kid's table is over there, buddy:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests

GuessMyUserName posted...

2022 is a bit late to learn about parasocial contact hypothesis and the positive effect that consuming a diverse media has on humanizing outgroups to a broader ignorant society with no natural exposure to them. Like this is stuff that's been talked and forming our media for literal decades, you watch a show like Fresh Prince and you're exposed to a relatable cast of characters you can bond with, developing a parasocial attachment that allows you to empathize with people and their issues that you aren't normally exposed to.

When I was growing up, the media I consumed regularly and solely portrayed trans women as disgusting, perverted, deceptive men. Throughout my childhood and teenage years even though I was *very privately* exploring my own gender identity, I could not relate to the only depictions I was shown on TV that were always ridiculed - obvious I didn't want that to be me, and I was frightened at the thought of being found out and people thinking that of me.

The poor representation of transness in the media I grew up with kept me in the closet til my late 20s as I still had my own long-implanted issues with transphobia to unravel my own validity. I wish I could have opened up my world sooner but until time travel's a thing I'll just be glad to see greater representation for those after me.

I respect your experience and I think there's nothing wrong with having that opinion.

If you just wanna chime in that you individually don't care to be represented then good for you, sit down and you can keep not caring while others do.

However, this is where you completely lose the plot.

You seem to be under the impression that I was saying 'I individually don't care about being represented in games, and therefore no company should be allowed to create diverse characters.' And this is not accurate at all. It's basically the exact opposite of what is actually happening in this situation.

Blizzard has asserted that diverse representations of characters is the MOST important aspect of development. And based on my experience as an individual who does not consider it to be the most important thing, knowing that many gamers do not feel it is the most important thing, as well as citing and debunking Blizzard's own sources which they cited in the article that is being discussed in this topic, I am refuting their stance; it is NOT the most important aspect of development.

You know what I like to play as?

Magic wielding hero elves, talking animals, super powered intelligent robots, humans who pilot super robots, ambitious demons, deposed members of royalty, students of fantastical and unique worlds, someone who is going on an amazing journey, and sometimes even just a regular person. I like stories about drama, growth, adventure, the human struggle. I want to unify the warring states of japan. I want to link the eternal flame and bring an end to an age of darkness. I want to spend 48 hours in the life of this character getting to know the depth of their struggles, what brought them here, and what personal conclusions they come to at the end of it all.

I do not care at all about what genitals this character was born with, what they identify with, or what they currently have. I do not care what genitals they do or don't prefer to rub against. Or if they don't have anything, or don't have any attraction to anything. I don't care what color their skin is. I don't care about what part of the world the ancestor's of the person who voiced the character was born. None of those things have any bearing on, nor would they qualify or disqualify any of the characters I mentioned above. A character's appearance only matters to me as far as visual storytelling, and aesthetic appeal.

There is nothing else that ever needs to go into it.

Once again; I am not saying that Blizzard is not allowed to create diverse characters. I am saying that they are wrong about it being the most important aspect of development.

foolm0r0n posted...

Love calling people who point out mistakes pedantic

I was being extremely generous to STA in my use of the word "correct." what I said was not a mistake. people in this topic are literally trying to start an argument over whether or not MariaTaylor should use the word "I" or "we" to refer to a collective group of people who share the same opinion, but does not include every single gamer on earth. to me, that is extremely pedantic. but really, none of them are actually upset about what I said.

it's just the same people who whine about everything I say or do on the board, whining about something that I said or did. no matter what the contents of my post were, the same exact people would have quoted me and tried to make a witty response, made themselves look dumb, and then in the next topic they'll be mad about the fact that they looked stupid so they try the same thing again to get back at me. and then just make themselves look dumb again.

and surprise, foolmo joins team whiners. it's literally the same teams forming up as every single topic that has happened before, and will happen in the future. extremely boring, and honestly sad at this point.

you know we are all like over 30 now right? if you have spent more than 10 years hating me, maybe it's time to block me and move on with your life.

StealThisSheen posted...

Cool, so you understand why your initial post was stupid. That's pretty much where it ends.

yes, your pedantic, pointless chirping both starts and ends at the minor correction of one word which has literally no bearing or impact on anything else that was discussed in this entire topic by anyone.

congratulations, you did it.