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skullbone posted...

I also had a full board lose to brawl but nobody else seems to care about how stupid that card is. Every time I see someone mention removing ice block or innervate and not brawl I die a little inside. Control warriors are seriously built around that card the same way that mage is built around ice block but it's "balanced" because the warrior doesn't get to pick who lives. It's stupid.

That's because board clears in Hearthstone are really bad and we could probably do with a few more that are on the power level of Brawl and aren't two-card combos.

The RNG in it is dumb. But you probably can't get rid of it without making the card either busted or garbage.
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After a few days last week of messing around on ladder with a combination of Jade Druid, Highlander Priest, and Token Shaman that got me stuck at rank 7 and turned me off from playing for a week, I finally sat down and slammed pirates to 5 last night in less than an hour.

Thank you based druid meta for the easiest stars of my life
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I absolutely did not remember the "chaos is a ladder" quote either when Bran said it.
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foolm0r0n posted...

Also thinking about the bad writing thing, I remembered how in S1 the major turn in Ned's story that caused him to confront Cersei and then ultimately get murdered and ruin the Starks and cause all these wars for 7 seasons was.... that he realized Joffrey was blond.

Sure they sold that "twist" way better and the show in general was just better structured back then, but totally dumb writing like that has always been in the show, when it was tied to the books and now as well.

Well there was no Maester Gregor Mendell around to explain basic genetic concepts to people. That's why Ned and Arryn had to go see Robert's bastards for themselves.

But maybe you're right. Maybe this is all a ruse by Martin. He's using the criticism of the show to make drastic changes to his books, and that's why they haven't been released yet!
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I don't know if that's fair. There's been a ton of fanservice this season and positive chatter about that. People loved the Stark reunion, Gendry coming back, the scene with Gilly reading about Rhaegar, and generally just seeing new and old combinations of character interactions. But they have hits and misses like normal. This episode has it pretty bad because the bulk of it is dedicated to two plotlines, and so if you're frustrated with one or the other it'll be a bigger factor.

I did really like the dialogue between the members of Team Beyond the Wall, it's just clearly not the meat of the episode.
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You can defend Arya/Sansa as being in character all you want. It's more of it being totally unsatisfying for a lot of people to see these two characters regress into squabbling straight out of S1 after they've both gone through arcs showing how much they value their family and had a nice reunion. That's why people are reacting to it so harshly.
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That whole storyline just feels like a D&D campaign to me. Been getting those vibes since that scene with Gendry and the two guards. Now you have the idiot players going off-rails on a ridiculous plan, causing a TPK, and the DM having to bail them out. Except he's mad about it so he comes up with a way to make their lives miserable in the future when they have to have the final boss fight.

I couldn't hate it if I tried.
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Everyone's been focusing on Arya regressing in her character arc in the Winterfell scenes, but Sansa has been almost as bad. Every conversation she's had with Arya, she's handled in exactly the worst way she possibly can. It's not really her fault because Arya is really on the offensive here, but it still feels wrong. Sansa trying to turn her suffering into some sort of pissing contest was gross (but also, her suffering doesn't matter to Arya because she and Lyanna Mormont are huge badasses!). They want to show her being TOUGH AND STRONG but she's doing it in dumb ways that just make everything worse. Arya being paranoid at least makes a little sense, but Sansa's distrust of Arya doesn't work at all! It started because she was put off by seeing that Arya's a good fighter? She knew Arya would try to train with the boys at Winterfell and was actually learning swordfighting when they were in King's Landing together. Not sure why that's the breaking point.

I dunno, it just feels extremely unnatural to me. Hopefully the payoff is worth it.
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Leafeon13N posted...

Do we even have a clear answer to wtf benjen is?

I feel like he is a mystery the show is destined to not answer.

This was actually my main takeaway from that scene. Just "holy shit we aren't getting an explanation on this until Winds of Winter AT THE SOONEST"

My other Biggest Feeling from the episode was realizing how much I hate the Arya/Sansa plotline but I guess I'm nowhere near alone on that.
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For me, it's hard to judge show Littlefinger and Varys when we don't really know their endgame in the books. But show LF has gotten to the point where I still am not sure what he's doing....but in a bad way.

Definitely some good points in there. Really makes me want to reread.
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VeryInsane posted...

http://metastats.net/deck/297563e9-4a5b-46d8-9365-a9dad0c519b2/last7/

So this is the best version of the deck right

If there's no aggro at all, sure. Greedy as hell list.

On the other hand, the deck might be bad enough againat aggro that you just say fuck it and drop plague anyways.
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All he does on his stream is complain about Innervate, too. That's why I said I agreed with him.

I know the live data isn't the best, but if I'm picking between that and a literal shitpost I know what I'd take <_<
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Three things.

1) It becomes lot better when you expect Jade Druid in 20% or more of your matchups

2) What I didn't understand is how much better Druid is at making shuffle matter now. The stall and draw power is a strong combination. I was shuffling WAY more than I used to in my games last night.

3) The types of decks people are trying to play lack the pressure needed to kill druid quickly through a ton of 1/5s.

I'm not sure what happened to Midrange Paladin. I haven't seen any but a deck that runs Equality while also actually trying to kill you seems good. Maybe Plague shuts that down too, though. Control Paladin just durdles too much.
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dowolf posted...

He does get ridiculous, but Druid is also stupidly good right now. Literally 40% of the top ranks are Druids.

Not saying Druid isn't an issue, but pointing it out inaccurately like this isn't helping. In fact, this will make things worse as more people go to Druid since Tempostorm said every Druid Deck is Tier 0. Looking at the Data Reaper data gives you a much more accurate picture of what's going on in the meta and WHY it's going on and if Reynad is gonna insist that his site's tier list is useful despite a focus on his pro players' analysis and not recorded stats, I expect actual analysis and not high-profile shitposting.

For example, biggest issue is them stating the meta isn't aggressive when the five best decks are Jade Druid and four aggro decks (Token Druid, Pirate Warrior, Murloc Paladin, and Evolve Shaman). Jade Druid loses to all of those except Evolve Shaman, but it beats decks trying to beat aggro.

I do think Reynad is right about Innervate, but the guys doing the writeups didn't get his memo. That and Plague are the real issues, but people would rather focus on Infestation. Its a great card, and it's what you lose to, even though it's not WHY you lose. You lose because Druid now has 8 efficient ramp spells (versus 6.5 since Nourish was mainly card draw), an actual good card to look forward to, and incredible stall tools that flipped 3 of its worst matchups.

They'll probably kill UI in a month or two since that's easier than adjusting every stall/armor card, which is unfornate to me as someone who loves ramp. But at least I'll get my dust back.
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https://tempostorm.com/hearthstone/meta-snapshot/standard/2017-08-19

Lol thank you Reynoodle for this informative, nuanced, and unbiased look at the Standard metagame.
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They should branch out and make a game about a different superhero or the entire Justice League.
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VeryInsane posted...

You guys remember those games but not the ones where they don't have Barnes on 4 and are facing Aggro

It's horrible

It also ironically loses to Priest. Potion of Madness OP

I've only run into them 4-5 times and EVERY TIME they had Barnes on 4 so I may be biased.

I finally beat one too, but he didn't draw Shadowreaper Anduin so he couldn't clear my last few golems or kill me.

I also ran into one guy who was running both Geist and N'zoth to get back 4-5 Statues, but that seems incredibly greedy and nonstandard. Killed me dead though.
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$32 with Amazon Prime aww yeah
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People say Druid is OP, but when I play it all I run into is EZ Priest, which feels like a completely unwinnable matchup.
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Paladin doesn't really have a strong class identity. It's just a jumble of midrange goodstuff. The unique thing it does is mess with minions attack/health values with Peacekeper and Equality style effects.
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I dunno about "unstoppable," but he's not that bad when you don't die turn 4.
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Isn't this just a picture of Goku? Am I crazy? What am I missing?
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Consider also that when you play it you only have 1 mana leftover, which can't often be used.

At least when you played Primordial Drake you can squeeze in a HP if nothing else.

Yeah that's actually a big deal, 9 mana cards have to be much, much better than 8-drops to make up for them eating your hero power and coming out a turn slower. Applies to 10 mana cards too but 9 mana has the same issues for less power level.

RIP Call of the Wild, RIP Hunter
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No, I'm just giving an easy example based on that criteria you gave me and the biggest threat in Standard currently. 8 Health is much less defensive than 9 health, the amount of life you gain per hit is largely irrelevant in control matchups, and reducing the range of things the deathrattle can kill makes it weaker. You can maybe kill more things with the higher attack but it'll also be easier for the opponent to deal with.

And make no mistake, if you leave up The Lich King at 2 health, you got 3-for-1ed. He gets two cards from the effect and a value trade. It's not like the current Statue matches up extremely well against TLK, but limiting the deathrattle makes it even worse.
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bng_mmmk posted...

"Do nothing" except heal you for 6 and leave the lich king with 2 health, AND prevent the 8 damage from hitting your face or other minions.

And potentially kill another minion of theirs.

That's far from "nothing".

Do you see how you had to add more qualifiers to the situation to make it better aside from both Statue and Lich King on an empty board? That's what's making it worse! Plus leaving Lich King at 2 health is not great.
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bng_mmmk posted...

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Why the hell can't Obsidian Statue just be a good card? I don't want my fucking 9+ cost cards to be situationally good against some decks. I want them to just be good!

You wouldn't consider it good if it was 6/8 and the deathrattle only killed minions with attack less than its attack?

Yes, that's way worse. Dies and does nothing in way more situations, including just being attacked by The Lich King, probably THE most popular threat right now.

Your main problem isn't even with the card, it's with EZ Priest's ability to cheat big things into play repeatedly. The other problem is you thinking of it of an anti-aggro tool, when it's really anti-everything, and one of the few Priest cards that is unconditionally good.
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Why the hell can't Obsidian Statue just be a good card? I don't want my fucking 9+ cost cards to be situationally good against some decks. I want them to just be good!
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Thrall's not overrated, it's just that people thought it would be some ultimate grind tool when it's not. It's just another Evolve effect to help you stay in the game after they wipe your board. Just like Evolve itself, you don't really want to get to the point where you have to play it, but when you do it'll help you win.

For the opposite example, Shadowreaper Anduin having such a high win% when played doesn't mean it's insane, but just getting to the point where you can play it means you're already doing well.
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I played a match against my friend for a quest and he rolled Snowfury Giant from his Forager.

LITERALLY unplayable.
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I'm afraid if I dust him I'll incur his wrath and open another, so I'm going to let him sit in my collection looking smug until I really need the dust.
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Check out my SICK tavern brawl pack this week!!!
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I mean, it's 9 mana. Stuff that expensive should be nuts if the goal of the deck is to survive that long to play it. Hearthstone's top end has been pretty bad for most of its run.

Of course the actual issue is when you Barnes one out, then Eternal Servitude it back. Reanimate effects are pretty strong in MTG, too.
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If you just started you might have to do the tutorial? Or the returner tutorial if you're coming back after a while. Not sure.
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Priest is totally fine to play againat as long as it's not a really bad hard control deck whose win condition is "dunno, kill stuff and steal stuff?" The greedy midrange lists are alright.
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Bruce Timm is kinda weird sometimes
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I can't root against Dog and Firebat so USA it is.
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the hunter music video is responsible for winning me a lot of games because it instilled in people that going face is stupid

It's not like I keep track, but when I sit down for a longer play session I feel like I end up picking up a game or two because the other guy thinks trading wins you the game, and not face damage.
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MariaTaylor posted...

http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/decks/xixos-frozen-throne-shadowreaper-kazakus-highlander-priest/

supposedly the best kazakus priest right now

Arfus is a pretty hype inclusion, but I'm not really convinced a random DK card is worth the card slot considering it's ALWAYS Army of the Damned.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

Also, I think there's a lot of difference between executing someone via beheading (and swinging the sword yourself), and executing someone by immolation. Let's not pretend they're the same... even if it was cool for Dany to execute the Tarlys - and I think there's a case it is - burning them alive is unusually cruel. It's why Jon's heroic for shooting Mance through the heart.

Daenerys has always executed her own agency through her dragons, so it kind of is her doing it herself. It carries more weight than just having the Dothraki behead them. Agreed on the cruelty, though, it's not a nice way to go.

dowolf posted...

Insubordination is not the same as refusing to turn traitor. At all.

From Daenerys's perspective, it's the same because she's the rightful queen. Worse, even, because they're in open warfare. Worse again because Tarly betrayed Daenerys first by going against the allegiance of the Tyrells!
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Also the line about "exterminating another Great House" was stupid! His wife and daughter are alive and Sam's alive and - oh my god she's going to make Sam head of House Tarly
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I'd have an easier time accepting Daenerys's ambiguity here if it didn't feel so sloppy. The Tarlys had to be written to be too proud and stupid to live, especially Dickon, who just felt like a lazy attempt by the writers to garner sympathy when they realized everyone would be cheering if they just had her burn Tarly Sr., noted scumbag. Even for Tarly Sr., I have trouble understanding his sudden refusal to change sides given that he fought for the Targaryens in Robert's Rebellion, and his "well, at least Cersei is from Westeros" feels very flimsy. Tyrion even tries to get him to go to the Wall, and given how much Dany's been crushing on Jon Snow that probably would have flown with her, except Tarly shoots it down himself. So it's like...ok. Tough, but fair. But I am looking forward to seeing Sam's reaction. Seems like it was deliberately postponed so that it could possibly happen face-to-face?

Maybe if she had burned the random soldiers who didn't kneel too, but as-is seems like a normal day in Westeros, but with fire. Definitely not even worse than when Jon executed Janos Slynt, and people tend to applaud that.
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Also turns Ragnaros the Firelord into Lightlord, sorta!
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Solid enough but man, I wish they Vindicators didn't mostly all die . Million ants and ghost train are 2good as character concepts.

Maybe it's just me but it feels like the show has gotten extra gory, too (even discounting pickle rick) I don't remember a lot of that before besides a few specific scenes in S2.
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I feel like Littlefinger's plan is gonna backfire because if Sansa and Arya have to have a conversation about the Lannisters and Littlefinger, they'll be able to set aside their differences and agree how much they both hate those guys.
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It's probably unknown by the maesters given that it's in a historical record of stair counting and poops. Maybe Sam's mentor knew and was slow-rolling him on it by making him transcribe it all, but it seems unlikely.
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LapisLazuli posted...

There are different kinds of utter nonsense in comics, and this is the wrong kind.

Yes, but you have to read them to know the details and complain to people about them!
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utter nonsense is a big appeal of reading comics
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Since I crafted Raza, Lyra, AND Anduin I have everything except Velen (and Vol'jin for you Wild players). And let me tell you, he's looking more and more desirable now that blast priest or whatever is a thing.

My poor dust though. :/
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Yeah I was playing whatever the Tempostorm list was a week or two ago -1 Devolve, -1 Mana Tide, +2 Hex (seemed a little better in a Lich King meta? Dunno). I don't really want to craft Thrall until things settle, but I'm still having fun without him.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Went into an Evolve Shaman mirror match. I didn't draw a single evolve or DK.

Still won. Feels bad.

I played the old Evolve Shaman from 15 to 10 last night with straight up no new cards at all. Never needed to evolve unless I had Doppelgangster in hand or was super desperate.

Feels Shaman.
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