Board 8 > so whatever happened with that captain america is a nazi thing

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so whatever happened with that captain america is a nazi thing

Assuming this is a serious question, he was revealed to essentially be brainwashed by the Cosmic Cube, and now there's a homeless looking guy wandering around claiming to be the real Steve Rogers.

It's pretty awful writing.
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brainwashed by the cosmic cube is always my go to excuse

Honestly, the whole thing feels like someone had this idea for one panel of a comic, but then they had no follow through so they just went with the first Deus ex Machina-type concept they could come up with to make their idea work.
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I hear it's a valid defense in court.
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As a longtime comic book reader that entire controversy never stopped making me laugh.
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I'm reading the main Secret Empire comic and it's... fine, but the story is spread out over so many different series, that it's difficult to follow sometimes.

But yeah, SHIELD turned some fragments of the cosmic cube into a girl, which somehow rewrote reality to make Cap a Hydra sleeper agent and exploded and the proper version of him is in some displaced limbo world with displaced versions of Red Skull, Bucky and Falcon and also cube girl. Hydra Cap is trying to reform the cube completely so that he can completely re-write history.

Lots of hijinks ensue. Deadpool is a double agent for/against Hydra who keeps rounding up C-lister supervillains for some reason, New York is stuck in the dark zone with most of the heavy hitters trapped inside, there's a big forcefield over the Earth locking out all the of cosmic superheroes and some of the others, like Vision and Scarlet Witch have been brainwashed one way or another. Also Hank Pym is now Ultron and lives in Alaska and Iron Man is an hologram AI of Tony Stark in an old suit and not actually him. I think Las Vegas got destroyed too?
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Honestly, the whole thing feels like someone had this idea for one panel of a comic, but then they had no follow through so they just went with the first Deus ex Machina-type concept they could come up with to make their idea work.

Didn't they explicitly promise that it wasn't going to be some dumb deus ex machina like mind control?
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Yeah, but it's Marvel. They promise so many things they renege on.
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it wasn't mind control.
it was time travel that made him a nazi.
only not really because it was time travel to make him THINK he was being like a nazi when not, he was just a nazi all along.

yes, they retconned their time travel retcon with another time travel retcon.
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i regret asking about this now

i wish i could take all this knowledge back

in fairness, the time travel stuff that made him join Hydra (nazi level 1) did involve some manipulation of his mind too. not control but he thought he was fighting the bad people.

the time travel that retconned that time travel had him be a nazi all along and even manipulated he would try to further the true nazi cause.


Marvel just really wanted to make him a nazi.
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Nick Spencer: Issue 2 will lay a lot of our cards on the table about what the new status quo is, but the one thing we can say unequivocally is: this is not a clone, not an imposter, not mind control, not someone else acting through Steve. This really is Steve Rogers, Captain America himself.

So I guess you can argue that the ridiculous scenario they concoted doesn't technically contradict that quote, but really now.
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Wanglicious posted...

it wasn't mind control.

It was time control and reality warping. It's both.
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JackMan posted...

I'm reading the main Secret Empire comic and it's... fine, but the story is spread out over so many different series, that it's difficult to follow sometimes.

But yeah, SHIELD turned some fragments of the cosmic cube into a girl, which somehow rewrote reality to make Cap a Hydra sleeper agent and exploded and the proper version of him is in some displaced limbo world with displaced versions of Red Skull, Bucky and Falcon and also cube girl. Hydra Cap is trying to reform the cube completely so that he can completely re-write history.

Lots of hijinks ensue. Deadpool is a double agent for/against Hydra who keeps rounding up C-lister supervillains for some reason, New York is stuck in the dark zone with most of the heavy hitters trapped inside, there's a big forcefield over the Earth locking out all the of cosmic superheroes and some of the others, like Vision and Scarlet Witch have been brainwashed one way or another. Also Hank Pym is now Ultron and lives in Alaska and Iron Man is an hologram AI of Tony Stark in an old suit and not actually him. I think Las Vegas got destroyed too?

jesus christ
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JackMan posted...

Wall of Utter Nonsense

JackMan posted...

I'm reading the main Secret Empire comic and it's... fine

No...no it is not.
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utter nonsense is a big appeal of reading comics
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I'm not even reading comics right now and I feel like my life is more confusing simply by Marvel's current direction even existing. Just the AURA is harming me.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

utter nonsense is a big appeal of reading comics

There are different kinds of utter nonsense in comics, and this is the wrong kind.
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I wonder how many of the alt right nazis felt empowered by this. "Even Captain America is on our side!"
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JackMan posted...

I'm reading the main Secret Empire comic and it's... fine, but the story is spread out over so many different series, that it's difficult to follow sometimes.

But yeah, SHIELD turned some fragments of the cosmic cube into a girl, which somehow rewrote reality to make Cap a Hydra sleeper agent and exploded and the proper version of him is in some displaced limbo world with displaced versions of Red Skull, Bucky and Falcon and also cube girl. Hydra Cap is trying to reform the cube completely so that he can completely re-write history.

Lots of hijinks ensue. Deadpool is a double agent for/against Hydra who keeps rounding up C-lister supervillains for some reason, New York is stuck in the dark zone with most of the heavy hitters trapped inside, there's a big forcefield over the Earth locking out all the of cosmic superheroes and some of the others, like Vision and Scarlet Witch have been brainwashed one way or another. Also Hank Pym is now Ultron and lives in Alaska and Iron Man is an hologram AI of Tony Stark in an old suit and not actually him. I think Las Vegas got destroyed too?

I fucking love comics ahahahaha
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LapisLazuli posted...

There are different kinds of utter nonsense in comics, and this is the wrong kind.

Yes, but you have to read them to know the details and complain to people about them!
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JackMan posted...

I'm reading the main Secret Empire comic and it's... fine, but the story is spread out over so many different series, that it's difficult to follow sometimes.

But yeah, SHIELD turned some fragments of the cosmic cube into a girl, which somehow rewrote reality to make Cap a Hydra sleeper agent and exploded and the proper version of him is in some displaced limbo world with displaced versions of Red Skull, Bucky and Falcon and also cube girl. Hydra Cap is trying to reform the cube completely so that he can completely re-write history.

Lots of hijinks ensue. Deadpool is a double agent for/against Hydra who keeps rounding up C-lister supervillains for some reason, New York is stuck in the dark zone with most of the heavy hitters trapped inside, there's a big forcefield over the Earth locking out all the of cosmic superheroes and some of the others, like Vision and Scarlet Witch have been brainwashed one way or another. Also Hank Pym is now Ultron and lives in Alaska and Iron Man is an hologram AI of Tony Stark in an old suit and not actually him. I think Las Vegas got destroyed too?

If this were a movie, I'd watch it.
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Ace_Killjoy posted...

JackMan posted...

I'm reading the main Secret Empire comic and it's... fine, but the story is spread out over so many different series, that it's difficult to follow sometimes.

But yeah, SHIELD turned some fragments of the cosmic cube into a girl, which somehow rewrote reality to make Cap a Hydra sleeper agent and exploded and the proper version of him is in some displaced limbo world with displaced versions of Red Skull, Bucky and Falcon and also cube girl. Hydra Cap is trying to reform the cube completely so that he can completely re-write history.

Lots of hijinks ensue. Deadpool is a double agent for/against Hydra who keeps rounding up C-lister supervillains for some reason, New York is stuck in the dark zone with most of the heavy hitters trapped inside, there's a big forcefield over the Earth locking out all the of cosmic superheroes and some of the others, like Vision and Scarlet Witch have been brainwashed one way or another. Also Hank Pym is now Ultron and lives in Alaska and Iron Man is an hologram AI of Tony Stark in an old suit and not actually him. I think Las Vegas got destroyed too?

If this were a movie, I'd watch it.

If it ended with the screen fading to black and the words "I think Vegas was destroyed too?" appearing before the credits rolled then yes
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in fairness, this event is better than a lot of the other terrible marvel events (avx, axis, civil war 2).

Considering Marvel's frankly embarrassing history with event comics on all fronts from the original Civil War on, "better than those" is a low bar.
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I'm still laughing at the fact that an Anti-SJW implied that Nick Spencer, some who is very vocally an Anti-SJW (to the point where he made them villains in one of the comics, I think), was an SJW for "making a white man into a Nazi".

I'm pretty sure he was the only one, though - the other Anti-SJWs seemed more likely to defend the comic just because it "offended SJWs" than anything.
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Remember when One More Day was the worst thing Marvel had ever done?
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redrocket_pub posted...

Remember when One More Day was the worst thing Marvel had ever done?

Pepperidge Farm remembers
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XIII_rocks posted...

Ace_Killjoy posted...

JackMan posted...

I'm reading the main Secret Empire comic and it's... fine, but the story is spread out over so many different series, that it's difficult to follow sometimes.

But yeah, SHIELD turned some fragments of the cosmic cube into a girl, which somehow rewrote reality to make Cap a Hydra sleeper agent and exploded and the proper version of him is in some displaced limbo world with displaced versions of Red Skull, Bucky and Falcon and also cube girl. Hydra Cap is trying to reform the cube completely so that he can completely re-write history.

Lots of hijinks ensue. Deadpool is a double agent for/against Hydra who keeps rounding up C-lister supervillains for some reason, New York is stuck in the dark zone with most of the heavy hitters trapped inside, there's a big forcefield over the Earth locking out all the of cosmic superheroes and some of the others, like Vision and Scarlet Witch have been brainwashed one way or another. Also Hank Pym is now Ultron and lives in Alaska and Iron Man is an hologram AI of Tony Stark in an old suit and not actually him. I think Las Vegas got destroyed too?

If this were a movie, I'd watch it.

If it ended with the screen fading to black and the words "I think Vegas was destroyed too?" appearing before the credits rolled then yes

Lmao yes.
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redrocket_pub posted...

Nick Spencer

wait marvel hired the nazi that got punched at the inauguration to make captain america a nazi???
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You're thinking of Richard Spencer.
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It's an easy mistake to make since they're brothers.
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Kenri posted...

It's an easy mistake to make since they're brothers.

No, they're not?
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They're both descendants of the original Spencer. His two sons were his gifts to the world.
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Kenri posted...

They're both descendants of the original Spencer. His two sons were his gifts to the world.

I'd like to see some proof of that because as far as I know they're just two douchebags that happen to have the last name Spencer.

I know of someone else who shares my father's first and last name entirely and is completely unrelated to him.
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redrocket_pub posted...

Remember when One More Day was the worst thing Marvel had ever done?

Sad but true. I dropped all Spider-Man comics after that ended and a few years later just quit Marvel completely.
After reading this thread I still don't regret my decision.

BowserCuffs posted...

I know of someone else who shares my father's first and last name entirely and is completely unrelated to him.

they are both joking

sorry i ruined it
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iiicon posted...

BowserCuffs posted...

I know of someone else who shares my father's first and last name entirely and is completely unrelated to him.

they are both joking

sorry i ruined it

Oh.

Sorry, it's hard to tell on the internet sometimes.
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BowserCuffs posted...

Kenri posted...

They're both descendants of the original Spencer. His two sons were his gifts to the world.

I'd like to see some proof of that because as far as I know they're just two douchebags that happen to have the last name Spencer.

I know of someone else who shares my father's first and last name entirely and is completely unrelated to him.

I'm not sure what he's referencing, but I'm quite certain you shouldn't be taking it seriously.
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sometimes it's not!
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Kenri posted...

They're both descendants of the original Spencer. His two sons were his gifts to the world.

if you couldn't tell this was a joke post you need to get your sarcasm detector recalibrated
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LeonhartFour posted...

Kenri posted...

They're both descendants of the original Spencer. His two sons were his gifts to the world.

if you couldn't tell this was a joke post you need to get your sarcasm detector recalibrated

It pinged on the second sentence, but in the sense of "the original Spencer gave us two pieces of shit as his gifts to the world" not "Yeah I'm yanking your chain here".
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I haven't really interacted with BowserCuffs much, but him not catching jokes is definitely something I've noticed a bunch.
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kevwaffles posted...

I'm not sure what he's referencing

there was a mall chain at one point called Spencer's Gifts that sold really douchey stuff, not sure if it's still around
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mnkboy907 posted...

I haven't really interacted with BowserCuffs much, but him not catching jokes is definitely something I've noticed a bunch.

It's actually been a problem for me since I was a kid. I'm kind of literal-minded.

The internet makes it worse, I notice, too.

Kenri posted...

kevwaffles posted...

I'm not sure what he's referencing

there was a mall chain at one point called Spencer's Gifts that sold really douchey stuff, not sure if it's still around

Ah, there was the missing piece of information I needed.
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