Lurker > Cemith

hockeybabe89 posted...

So did Hornezz ever tell LGBTQ people what they should do if Biden doesn't alter course before November? Or did he just ignore it until he got warned?

Oh man, I was wondering why the topic suddenly got so quiet. Also, no, he didn't. Just exclaimed we all supported genocide. Because of course.

Will_VIIII posted...

They simply can't be taken seriously

This.
Will_VIIII posted...

They're not fooling anyone.

Indeed.

I'll never understand how people can't square that not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump. It's such a simple premise. Like, I'm sorry you're cool damning all the rest of us to domestic stochastic terrorism so you can morally grandstand, but I just don't buy their care for Gaza.

Tyranthraxus posted...

These also aren't really new forms. They don't have evolutions in either direction and they don't occupy the same spot in the international dex. They also can't breed iirc.

Okay yeah not really, at least not in the "Alolan Ninetales" sense. But a new spin on an old pokemon is a really nice sweet spot imo. Donphan is great, but was competitively not amazing. Great Tusk however is really good, and Treads ain't far behind.

I just like new life being breathed into old mons

Tyranthraxus posted...

No.

They reskinned a hariyama

Me - who generally likes new forms for Pokemon -

Hornezz posted...

Never once have I advocated for voting in Trump.

Advocating people do not vote for Biden is advocating for people to vote in Trump. Trump psychopath cultists are going to vote him in regardless, so it's kind of a "all hands on deck" situation.

Is this Granblue stuff

Hornezz posted...

He should start working on it today. Canada and Spain already managed to do it. The policy is in place.

The atrocities have been going on for months. Biden has chosen to deliver billions worth weapons well after the ICJ had ruled that there was a plausible genocide. It should have been done long ago.

Okay, so if he does it 3 days from now, are you still going to vote in Trump? Or is today the hard cap for completely rearranging a decades old foreign policy?

Will_VIIII posted...

If so my bad!

No worries! There's a shitload of posts so I don't blame you for it.

Kaldrenthebold posted...

I was confused a bit too but this does clear it up. Idk why it was getting muddled but it sure was.

I'm trying to be clear so sorry if my intentions come out muddy I'm sorry :S

Will_VIIII posted...

Project 2025 and another Trump presidency are things you're willing to tolerate.

Not a good look my guy

I think you may have got a little confused under your quoting, I am arguing vehemently against Project 2025 and Trump.

Hornezz posted...

Gimme a time frame then

Cemith posted...

it's not going to happen overnight

Hope this helps. You see, I'm not actually a member of Biden's cabinet, so I have no idea what his foreign policy is other than what I can see him doing.

But you tell me what the time frame that you're acceptable with, that would prevent you from voting in a fascist.

Hornezz posted...

The goal posts have been moving tremendously since "a genocide will happen either way".

Yes, gazans are in trouble regardless of what candidate we push in, the difference is that one of them will see reason.

I don't know why you are not so keen to acknowledge this fact

Cool!

Justin Time for Reg G

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Yes, I can see how it would appear that way, to someone who didn't actually read their posts and instead imagined they'd said something completely different.

Not a good look for you, guy.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

You've done it like four times in the past hour.

Quote me where I said, "Biden can do nothing about Israel."

If it helps, just ignore the other hundred posts that I've said that he's already being pressured, and that it's a genocide is bad. It might help you.

Hornezz posted...

Arguing that it cannot be done is note based on any truth.

Nobody's arguing it can't be done, this is another made up argument that people like you keep spouting so you can be sanctimonious. People are saying it's not going to happen overnight, and that everyone else is already pressuring Biden.

What they're arguing is that it's extremely difficult to undo several decades of bad foreign policy overnight, which is what you guys expect him to do.

You cannot purposefully be this dense and not be called out on it

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Which is why I'm criticising Biden for arming and funding a genocide,

So is everyone else. We're just not okay with letting people play safety for actual literal fascists, which is what Horn and MrMojo are doing.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

by doing that he causes fewer people vote for him. With your knee-jerk attempts to shut down any and all criticism of Biden

No one has done that, ever. Every single person that is ever asked about this on this forum for now until forever is going to be unhappy about the way Biden is handling Gaza. For fuck sake, quit making up this fucking stupid argument. The difference is people can't see the forest for the trees.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

you are helping Trump. This isn't difficult to understand.

I'm actually not, because I'm not voting for him. Want to know why?

Cemith posted...

if you needed a reason other than "because he's not a fascist" to vote for Biden, you were never going to do it anyway.

Hornezz posted...

Right. Good reason for him to go out and win some votes I would say.

But you're vehemently against that. It's ludicrous.

Cemith posted...

if you needed a reason other than "because he's not a fascist" to vote for Biden, you were never going to do it anyway.

Yeah dude you're just best off staying away from the conversation. You dropped the faade, we know you don't actually care

BewmHedshot posted...

What the fuck? They already gave him an extension because he's broke, now he gets another one because he fucked up the paperwork? I wasn't aware incompetent criminals got a break.

Incompetent rich criminals*

Marth is a girl name? wut

Hornezz posted...

Insisting that "Biden doesn't need to win voters" in an election year is bringing that fascist regime a lot closer to reality than demanding a president to follow his own policies on human rights ever will.

Cemith posted...

if you needed a reason other than "because he's not a fascist" to vote for Biden, you were never going to do it anyway

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

It would be great if everyone thought that way, but we live in the real world.

And in the real world we have a binary electoral college system. Trump will ruin things for everyone, Biden will ruin things for less people. Math is hard.

At least other people are clearly privy to the self righteous sanctimonious bullshit. Glad other people here see reason. And that I don't have to align myself with MrMojo LOL

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

The LGBT crowd really thanks you for helping Trump to win by encouraging Biden to keep alienating voters by arming and funding a genocide.

if you needed a reason other than "because he's not a fascist" to vote for Biden, you were never going to do it anyway.
Hornezz posted...

They have to. Because 'endorsing dropping bombs on Palestinian children because that somehow saves the world from a Trump dictatorship' sounds a lot better than 'endorsing dropping bombs on Palestinian children because its in America's geopolitical interests'.

Better than being cool with domestic stripping of rights under a fascist regime. Not our fault you live in a fantasyland where people aren't pressuring biden and trump is a magical unicorn who aligns with your interests.

MrMojoRising posted...

Really enjoying all the arguments about how not voting for Joe because he's perpetrating a genocide means that I'm actually pro-genocide. I guess that's the kind of stuff you have to tell yourself, though.

The LGBT crowd really thanks you for your kowtowing to naked fascism.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

There it is. Thanks for playing

You must be a wizard, I grilled him for a while but he just gives up the game for you.

MrMojoRising posted...

If you have a point, you can just say it. You don't have to engage in this half-baked Socratic method thing every time. It's not baby's first law school class.

This is why it's so obvious to everyone else.

No one that lives in our reality can just gleefully ignore everyone asking for an explanation or justification because they know that when they finally give one, everyone will know they're a bad faith actor.

MrMojoRising posted...

Hey at least I'm not actively hoping for people to get hurt. But I suppose my refusal to vote for Biden somehow makes me worse than you wishing pain upon people.

Considering that the extra vote for Trump means even more people get hurt, disenfranchised, etc. Yes, that does make you worse.

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No kidding man. Shit plants it's seeds everywhere.

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Honestly, now that y'all mention it, I don't think I've seen her at all since like, 2021?

Hornezz posted...

CE actually turning into a pro-genocide circlejerk was not on my calendar a few months ago.

Oh piss off. The mask has come off, no amount of high horse bloviating changes that.

We understand now what your priorities are. May as well bugger off, troll.

Hornezz posted...

You join protests and pressure Biden into changing his stance on Israel. He can use his leverage to make a meaningful difference and save lives. And he will, as long as there's enough electoral pressure. And when he does, he deserves the vote.

Answer the question ~~

Otherwise the jig is up~~~

maxpkmf posted...

I understand where you are coming from. You won't get most people on CE to see things from any other perspective though. You either fall in line and vote Biden/Dem or they fight and ridicule you. You will not get genuine discussion here. Im sure you have noticed

You're also a Trumpet. You saying this to him is pretty much all the evidence one needs to see where y'all's loyalty lies.

Hornezz posted...

Telling voters that there is no other choice but genocide is not actually helping Biden win the election.

You don't actually care, though. Why belabor the point when everyone knows your whole schtick?

Who're you voting for when it comes down to Biden or Trump, there big shooter?

IceCreamOnStero posted...

Don't the staff pretty much just let them go through with it because its so easy to catch?

As a former bank teller , yes. The plan is to keep the drawers cash light, but when you're robbed, you give the bait money (holding a GPS) as well as the regular cash to them.

It is exceedingly rare for a successful bank robbery, much less one that gets you more than a few hundred bucks.

Hornezz posted...

There's something absolutely vile about making these sort of threats while in the same breath defending this:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4684e379.jpg
How's that brave fight against fascism of yours going so far? Are ya winning yet?

Your mask has come off, guy. Everyone knows this is self righteous posturing. We know you don't care, no amount of posting is changing that.

MrMojoRising posted...

I don't think people know how they sound when they say stuff like this

Why don't you ask women who no longer have access to safe abortion in red states how safe they feel under the conservative SCOTUS?

I mean, you're a Trumper, so it makes sense you don't have a basic grasp on reality, but I'm still curious what you think

Hornezz posted...

"Biden can change!

Agreed! Glad you can see reason

Hornezz posted...

And also all options include genocide!"

They do, tentatively, and you know this too.

Hornezz posted...

"I never accepted genocide!

Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

Hornezz posted...

I don't give a damn about who you choose to blame or thank for the next election results

The GOP thanks you for your steadfast commitment. When they're walking over the bodies of the queer people they gunned down for sport, your abstention will be duly noted.

Hornezz posted...

There's no such thing as an acceptable genocide, and fuck everyone who argues otherwise.

There's no such thing as a viable conservative candidate, and yet here you are blue in the face screaming about "Biden bad". What a brave and unique take.

You have made it abundantly clear that you are at the very least, complicit in a fascist rise to power. As such, I will never believe you care about Gaza. Why would you care about a genocide overseas when you can't be fucked to prevent one domestically?

Also, you probably didn't notice, but others will:

Cemith posted...

All I do is acknowledge the reality of the two party system. Not sure why this is so hard for you

You still are unable to grasp the "first past the post" election framework. You do not live in the same reality as the rest of us.

Let's boil this down to a single question. Are you voting for Biden when it will inevitably come down to him and Trump. Yes, or no?

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As depressing as that may be to think, I would hope them turning in their radical ex-spouses would hopefully be the wake up call they needed.

Hornezz posted...

Don't deny what you said when it's right here in front of you. I literally just quoted you on three separate times saying that all options include genocide.

I'm not. They do. I fucking said this to you.

Cemith posted...

Biden is bad on Israel
Trump's bad on Israel
The Electoral College binds us to a binary.

Tell me you think in earnest that Trump will be more likely to fold under public pressure. Please, I fucking beg you.

Hornezz posted...

When I told you: "Begrudgingly accepting genocide as an inevitability isn't the brave battle against fascism you seem to think it is", you replied with "It is":

Because it is.

Cemith posted...

Biden is bad on Israel
Trump's bad on Israel
The Electoral College binds us to a binary.

Tell me you think in earnest that Trump will be more likely to fold under public pressure. Please, I fucking beg you.

But you want to know the sneaky little secret? It's that we can still make Biden change! How you're so fucking allergic to this point, I genuinely do not know.

Hornezz posted...

Which is what I've been arguing the whole damn time.

Could have fooled me. Every time we had to chastise you to actually claim that Trump is also bad, all you did was play safety for Trump. Sorry I call a spade a spade.

Hornezz posted...

Like holy shit are you so blinded in your reflexive need to defend Biden at all cost that you actually haven't noticed I've been arguing in favor of him getting elected? No wonder it feels like I'm talking to a brick wall.

I've never defending Biden's handling of Israel. You know this too, but you're being purposefully dense because you're clearly a centrist in a left mask. All I do is acknowledge the reality of the two party system. Not sure why this is so hard for you. A magical third option does not and will not exist before the election.

Now please tell me why Biden has to earn your vote when the other one is a fascist.

I'll be waiting.

havean776 posted...

Kinda weird that he still won't support Biden when he does what he wants.

"But he still has to earn my vote! LGBT people and minorities be damned. What has Biden done for me?"

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God I hate it here.

Hornezz posted...

Your words: "It isn't my fault that my only real choices are Gazan Genocide but I have rights or Gazan Genocide but I and millions of others don't have rights."

Also your words: "Genocide happens either way, chief."

When I asked whether genocide in Gaza and genocide in Gaza + US were the only choice, you answered yes:

Biden is bad on Israel
Trump's bad on Israel
The Electoral College binds us to a binary.

Tell me you think in earnest that Trump will be more likely to fold under public pressure. Please, I fucking beg you.

Hornezz posted...

All the options you provide include genocide for Gazans. That sounds like acceptance.

You are fucking exhausting. You have been told this over and over and over and over and over again. Biden could still fold. Trump will never fold. You tell me exactly what part of "I want the president that's most likely to fold under public pressure to win the election" is "accepting genocide".

Please, I'm waiting.

Hornezz posted...

So do it then, instead of arguing with everyone protesting a fucking genocide.

https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2024/2/27/voters-support-the-us-calling-for-permanent-ceasefire-in- gaza-and-conditioning-military-aid-to-israel#:~:text=Around%20two%2Dthirds%20of%20voters,escalation%20of%20violence%20in%20Gaza.

Every time they're asked people tell Biden they're not a fan. You're being purposefully dense dying on this stupid ass hill. You can't fucking imagine that people literally already are, so you keep insisting people aren't. Shut the fuck up, jesus fucking christ.

Hornezz posted...

Not

See above.

Nice to see your other little abstainer friends have joined the topic. Now you can all be disingenuous reality deniers together!

Maybe because they're fucking stupid reactionaries.

Guide posted...

Could this be a joke or something? It's kinda too ridiculous for me to take at face value.

You never know with conservative media. It could be satire or it could be someone being completely serious.

Full_Pokedex posted...

How dare you!

Agreed he should be hanged by his thumbs!

My old draft league team name was the Ne'er-do-well Nidokings. So, good taste TC

Dark Souls 2 is fire. But that's also because there's no such thing as a bad Souls game.

And yes, I refer to vanilla and SotFs as both good!

Hornezz posted...

Holy shit we agree!

Yeah! Maybe don't make up a fake stance no one would take and we could have got here way sooner!

Hornezz posted...

Not a centrist. I posted that same message almost verbatim in a previous topic, twice.

Then maybe don't spout cjsdowg level centrist rhetoric. Maybe if just one of y'all would lead with "I understand that Trump is worse in every conceivable way and I acknowledge that I have to vote in Biden otherwise everyone everywhere is fucked." It wouldn't be so easy to have pegged you.

Because, spoilers, when you come into a topic and make every post about how bad Biden is, meanwhile we have to chastise you over and over to admit the same thing about the Orange God King you come off like a spineless centrist. Not one of you comes in here exclaiming that Republicans are repugnant shitheels, it's only ever about "Biden-bad" which, yeah, fucking duh. We're all aware of it.

Hornezz posted...

There's this bizarre rhetoric again. Previously you outright told me that Biden doesn't need to win votes because the other candidate is a fascist. Now I'm telling you: his opponent being a fascist is pretty damn good reason for Biden to go out and win votes.

Apparently not for the likes of you, cjs, and MrMojo.
Hornezz posted...

But so many of you seem to think "nah, just accept genocide,

Cemith posted...
You guys keep creating this argument and it's laughably fucking dumb. No one is accepting genocide, everyone knows we need to pressure Biden. Our head just isn't covered in our own shit so we can acknowledge it isn't an overnight fix.

Hornezz posted...

• Biden is entitled to your vote no matter what"

GEE MAYBE FUCKING BECAUSE

Cemith posted...
Not one single person has claimed Biden wouldn't change policy.

AND

Cemith posted...
even if he doesn't, Trump will be exponentially and quantifiably worse for everyone.

It's a real god damn mystery.

Hornezz posted...

It's not just immoral and undemocratic but even on a pragmatic level: it's not helping him win.

We are not. His fucking. PR team. You. Should not. Need. Another reason. Fuck. Off.
mistymermaid posted...

I'm sure I'm biting a troll here but it's so frustrating.

Hornezz posted...

Into what? Into explaining why accepting genocide is the more preferable option over pressuring a politician on listening to his voters? If so, yes, I really want to know the answer to that.

You guys keep creating this argument and it's laughably fucking dumb. No one is accepting genocide, everyone knows we need to pressure Biden. Our head just isn't covered in our own shit so we can acknowledge it isn't an overnight fix.

You don't get to sit on your high horse without getting called out on it.

Hornezz posted...

You say this like you haven't been arguing for dozens of posts that there is no alternative to genocide.

I don't know how else to explain this to you, because you refuse to believe it. Trump and Biden have the same foreign policy. Israel will be supported until we as a nation pressure Biden into change. We can only stop Israel incrementally and voting in Trump is the end of Gaza as we know it.
Hornezz posted...

I have, numerous times. For months. I'll help you again: TRUMP WILL BE WORSE. Including on Gaza. On every other topic too.

About fucking time one of you centrists said as much. I don't know why it took y'all so fucking long to do this.

Hornezz posted...

Now that we've established that, can we PLEASE move past this "but Trump worse". You tell me I'm exhausting but this is all I'm seeing on loop every time I enter a topic.

Maybe because people like you are all gung-ho for downplaying the actual threat he poses to the literal future of democracy. Whining about how "Biden needs a better plan to win votes" as though voting against a fascist is a privilege to be earned. If voting against a fascist rise to power isn't a compelling enough reason to vote Biden, fuck off forever.

Hornezz posted...

If this is truly about making Biden win at all costs, why are so many of you hellbent on a PR strategy that's so fucking disastrous?

We're not his fucking PR team.

Hornezz posted...

Feel free to actually provide proof that it's outright impossible for Biden to make a change in his policy.

Not one single person has claimed Biden wouldn't change policy. Where you and your ilk got lost is that even if he doesn't, Trump will be exponentially and quantifiably worse for everyone. You have not acknowledged this, as far as anyone can tell.

Hornezz posted...

Try for once just to move beyond 'but Trump'

For fuck's sake change the fucking record. It is not about Biden. Trump is that fucking bad and being unable or unwilling to acknowledge that makes you complicit in a fascist rise to power. Full stop. Biden is the guy running against him, so he gets the vote.

You are not allowed to hide behind Palestinians when you're tacitly complicit in the oppression of domestic peoples under Trump. It rings completely hollow.
Fuck, you guys are exhausting.

mistymermaid posted...

If you don't like Biden, then you should be arguing for the Democrats to nominate a different candidate.

But, no, it's always "why can't the dems change" and not "why aren't the Republicans not shitheel monsters"

Hornezz posted...

Absolutely not. Biden can change and stop his support for genocide.
You have provided no evidence whatsoever to prove this is impossible.

You just don't want him to.

So you do not acknowledge the reality of our two party system. As such, you have outed yourself as a clown who does not live in the reality they should. No one should take you seriously from here onward until you acknowledge the reality of the two party ststem.

It is Biden, or Trump. One could be theoretically be swayed, the aspiring fascist will not be.

Gaza is under fire regardless, it will be worse under Trump for them and also domestically for everyone else.

You refuse to acknowledge this, because like every other enlightened centrist, you bloviate so you can be on your self righteous high horse.

Get over yourself.

Hornezz posted...

There's this bizarre reflex to defend Biden at every corner even if that means losing sight of the goal, which is getting him elected. Wild how so many of you ever seems to acknowledge that.

Conversations just go:
- Biden doing bad things is okay, because Trump is worse
- Biden going against the wishes of his own base is okay, because Trump is worse
- Biden causing his voters to stay at home is okay, because Trump is worse
- Biden handing Trump the election win is... uh, well, Trump's worse

Well that plus the usual accusations and name-calling of course.

Quit dodging the motherfucking question.

Do you acknowledge the binary reality of the Electoral College and each candidates stance on Gaza?

Yes.

Or

Fucking

No?

Hornezz posted...

I'm not expecting Rika "support the lesser genocide" Furude to accept any other option other than genocide.

It is not surprising at all you're dodging the question about the reality we live in.

It is binary. It is Biden, or it is Trump. If you pretend otherwise, you are a moron.

Biden is facing pressure most Americans, just look at the polls.

If you refuse to acknowledge that reality, you are not a serious person.