Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 465: If you post here, you're gay lmao

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Mr_Lasastryke posted...

I wonder if Trump will get as much grief for this as Hillary did for her "basket of deplorables" comment.

he won't

bro this is a ridiculously dated idea/comment, I had to do a double take

Apparently, the motive of the killer according to Utah official and police interviews is that they didn't think CK was conservative enough. Yet again more right-wing on right-wing violence.

Yes, some information has pointed to the fact that his political commentator of choice is Nick Fuentes, who is about the furthest right you can possibly be and has previously beefed with Kirk for not being far enough to the right. Look into "groyper wars" if you want more details about the confrontational history between their two fanbases.

I wonder how many people on the right will issue an apology now for immediately making comments about how dangerous and violent the left is for inciting political violence? (I do not actually wonder this. I know the answer is zero)

Theyre so mad the shooter wasnt LGBTQ or a minority theyre already pivoted to may poor Tyler find Jesus and recover

They'll still want to do some light murder to those on the left though. They'll just fabricate new reasons.

kevwaffles posted...

I'm probably not going to return regularly to these topics but I just wanted to drop this off here.

https://x.com/okimstillhungry/status/1966518549872021665

He did.

He did kill deez.

Fuck now I'm gay

Bat178 posted...

Apparently, the motive of the killer according to Utah official and police interviews is that they didn't think CK was conservative enough. Yet again more right-wing on right-wing violence.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d712c2bb.jpg

foolm0r0n posted...

bro this is a ridiculously dated idea/comment, I had to do a double take

Is it? Pro-Trump people always bring up basket of deplorables to make the argument of "notice how Trump never says something like that, he always goes after specific people instead of entire groups, this is why he beat Hillary in 2016 yada yada." Trump's recent comments so blatantly contradict that, I thought it was worthwhile to bring it up.

...on the other hand, I guess that argument was already debunked back when Trump said the "Mexicans are criminals and rapists" thing.

Mr_Lasastryke posted...

...on the other hand, I guess that argument was already debunked back when Trump said the "Mexicans are criminals and rapists" thing.

Or when he said that the left are the enemy of the state.

Thorn posted...

i shouldn't be surprised by the new lows they manage to sink to but jfc

"Or involuntary lethal injection."
"Yeah."
"Or something. Just kill them."

Its literally just this but serious.

https://youtu.be/s_4J4uor3JE?si=kvrqGiXwGIghv4cb

It's weird how no major outlets are covering this. Like... news caster just casually suggests "kill the homeless' and news media is like "Nah'

Mr_Lasastryke posted...

I wonder if Trump will get as much grief for this as Hillary did for her "basket of deplorables" comment.

he won't

He won't because he's not saying that all people on the left are the problem, just the radicals. He's not saying it's 50% of the left like Hillary did.

HeroicCrono posted...

He won't because he's not saying that all people on the left are the problem, just the radicals. He's not saying it's 50% of the left like Hillary did.

turns out it was all them

foolm0r0n posted...

bro this is a ridiculously dated idea/comment, I had to do a double take

It's not dated. Very little has changed since 2016.

Dancedreamer posted...

It's weird how no major outlets are covering this. Like... news caster just casually suggests "kill the homeless' and news media is like "Nah'

In any sane system this would be a resigning matter. Yet this is just happening with no popular outcry at all.

Gay man, 31, leaves behind two children at his shooting

Sniff

Dancedreamer posted...

It's weird how no major outlets are covering this. Like... news caster just casually suggests "kill the homeless' and news media is like "Nah'

If only there had some kind of despised historical group well-known for carrying out the imprisonment and/or death of all minority groups they deem undesirable. It'd be useful to have a easy comparison to make as more of the right-wing in the US openly calls for such things. Luckily, that sort of thing has never happened so we can all be sure it will never happen here.

LightningStrikes posted...

In any sane system this would be a resigning matter. Yet this is just happening with no popular outcry at all.

It only costs you your job if you dont say nice things about Charlie Kirk.

HeroicCrono posted...

It's not dated. Very little has changed since 2016.

That's what makes it dated. It was proven to be manufactured outrage almost immediately in 2016, and we've long since proved that no one cares his broad dehumanization of Americans, not the targeted incitement of terrorism from his allies, and in fact they are all rewarded for it. Trump was re-elected with a very clear anti-American pro-loyalist mandate.

He and his allies have said it's the whole left. Also he's defined the radical left as all non-loyalists, which includes around 70% or more of Americans (depends on the % of lesser-of-two-evil voters).

The only new development was that 1 Democrat had the guts to call Trumpers "weird" and it worked for like 2 weeks before being killed.

I am glad that other people are sharing their thoughts, as I do not feel it would be a good idea for me to.

I'll just say I felt encouraged when I spotted my father not being cautious at all on Facebook. Hope nothing happens to him as a result, while these politicians are calling for citizenships to be revoked and such.

it's absolutely fucking insane how desperate the media is desperately trying to make up a trans villain to explain this

NYPost Article

The family member, who asked not to be identified, said Twiggs was the black sheep of their St. George, Utah, family, but declined to speculate on a romantic relationship between the two men.

She said she didnt know her relatives politics or whether Twiggs was transitioning to become a woman, but added that it wouldnt surprise her.

Headline?

Charlie Kirks alleged assassin Tyler Robinson lived with transgender partner: source

not gonna link the rag but there's literally nothing else in the article, they got some photos of them wearing a basic ass animal onesie, say police confirmed this is the shooter's roommate, then just asking a family member if they're in a relationship and trans and both responses were just "iunno"

TRANS ROOMMATE

The New York Post is basically the National Inquirer, but that doesn't really matter to Fox.

They're just utterly desperate for the story of him being a groyper to be delayed as long as possible so they can try and bullshit their way through the eulogy on the 21st while still saying it was the libs.

As long as they can give their big anti Dem speech it doesn't matter if the everyone knows the truth after the fact, they just need their soundbites.

it's so insane

"ARE THEY PARTNERS?? ARE THEY TRANS???"

"i dunno"

TRANS PARTNER CONFIRMED

Shooter may or may not have had trans roommate/girlfriend/whatever:

"TRANS PEOPLE ARE EVIL AND MUST BE ERRADICATED!"

Mass Shooter #175 that was a white guy:

"NOT ALL WHITE GUYS! YOU CANNOT JUDGE US ALL BY THE ACTIONS OF A LONE WOLF!"

Dancedreamer posted...

Shooter may or may not have had trans roommate/girlfriend/whatever:

Its not even this, its "oh hey the sky is blue TRANS ROOMMATE CONFIRMED AND EVIL" like everyone has a roommate, where did trans even come from

chat I regret to inform you we may in fact live in the very worst timeline

4tranner roommate, the 4trans reddit has just gone on lockdown but I found it did so I do have a tab open of the thread it's been discovered

the world is not ready for 4trans omfg

good day for me to have decided to stay off reddit yikes

I've been trawling their supposed account a while, though 4trans being privated keeps hides what I would imagine being an embarrassing trove I'm sure is probably floating around

but if this is the roommate's account they seem pretty independent centrist both sides bad transphobia is bad but maybe transness is pushed too much, jordan peterson fan (tbf dating back years ago) but also takes covid seriously. they can point out dumb conservative culture warring but also saying the other side is dumb too kinda discourse.

political stuff is more further back in the past, typically trying to reason with the peterson sub and well a whole lot of sarcastic posting in a landlord sub. and while they are more understanding of trans causes they can wade into dumb reverse racism threads

but again, 4tran posts are hidden so

still I haven't can't confirm this is actually the roommate's account. it was supposedly found looking matching through linked social accounts and searching the steam handle to find the reddit but I personally can't see confirmation how they've found the right Facebook to begin with.

could it be them? maybe? the reddit has the same first name and also in Utah but that's about it. either way I'm not seeing big political leftist as if that would even mean anything when they aren't even the perpetrator

on the other end, this was from Daily Mail of all places:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c8d909bb.png

*shrug*

oh, while I'm going through this I noticed the Daily Mail posts the roommate's Tiktok account, so if that's right then that should be able to link through and find the others

but they were roommates

Anyone know if Epstein had a trans roommate?

okay from digging I see the associated Steam account, which does have some the same top games that they frequent on Reddit (Destiny 2, Brawlhalla, Apex, Risk of Rain)

.... but there's a tiktok that sources are sharing attached to this one that is different to the one that Daily Mail posted? although there's pictures from this account I've seen spread on reports about the-

OH OKAY HERE WE GO

The TikTok that Daily Mail linked is named like a shared account with two names, one of them being the roommate's, and in one of its older posts they have tagged their individual account which then matches up to the steam and thus the reddit.

Dancedreamer posted...

It's weird how no major outlets are covering this. Like... news caster just casually suggests "kill the homeless' and news media is like "Nah'

Why would they go after their own?

also yes the steam page of the roommate is having their comments spammed with slurs and calls for them to be murdered

It's going to be "interesting" going forward to see how the resolutely anti-Semitic right and resolutely pro-Israel right (and all the righties in between) deal with each other in the future, because if the shooter being a groyper turns out to be true then it could indicate an instance of the former actively engaging in violence (a universally agreed on tactic by the far right; less an answer and more of a question, to which the answer is usually 'yes') on the latter, and thus an escalation of aggression between the two camps. So, humor me, if you will.

We've already seen vague fractures, like Marjorie Taylor Greene laughably starting to feign outrage against the genocide in Gaza (no way she gives a shit about Palestinians, IMO), and Nick Fuentes, but things might be heating up and more and more Republicans will start coming out, tooting the anti-Israel horn; even people you wouldn't think of, as their base and they themselves start asking "hey, wait a minute, why should we be giving our stuff to Israel? We hate them". Make no mistake, the political power right now is in the hand of the pro-Israel side in both parties, and it's where all the money is (that's why the US is involved with Israel - capital), but the anti-semitic right is never going away, and is one of the USA's most important assets on the home front, since it appeals to the blue collar bigot and the loyalist camp - ie, white collar bigots - far more than the pro-Israel stance does, especially when the seams start showing. And as soon as the Gaza incursion reaches its conclusion (which, hopefully for the whole world, will be an ultimate failure on the US and Israel's part), the anti-semitic right is going to be gunning - figuratively speaking? - hard for the pro-Israeli elements in the US government, having either outlived some of their usefulness to the power structure or failed to achieve what they wanted.

But the pro-Israeli element is going to stand firm: they, like the anti-semites, are full believers in their cause, and they have their hands firmly around the throat of the majority of major American institutions, and the veneer of respectability. They'll weed out the opportunists in their ranks, when things start to go south, and render them politically impotent, or worse, and double down. Meanwhile, the relatively powerless anti-racist elements of the USA would be caught between two camps whom they despise and who despise them. All this malarkey about a "civil war" from Republicans is just that, I think we can all agree. But I think the real future of political violence in the states, perhaps within five years time, will partially revolve around escalating terrorist violence between loyalists and Zionists, and anti-racist elements (despising and despised by both, as they despise eachother) being caught in between, having no formal power and just being comprised of members of the beleaguered populace. Who, by the way, are already subject to state and individual political violence; it's just going to get worse.

Of course, there are other factors at play. What of the actions of Israel itself, who would certainly conduct terror attacks in the states if pressed? And what of rising tensions with Russia, China, and the nations to the south of the US border? What if Trump does something out of pocket that re-contextualizes everything? But Israel is, right now, THE big cultural swing-issue in the USA for how essential it is to contemporary foreign and domestic policy, yet how anathema it is on the face of things to the spirit of the "America First" patriotism needed to keep the whole thing afloat.

Long story short: I think people may be overlooking how much of a schism that the matter of Israel is causing in the American far right (certainly more than in the Democrat party), it may have played a role in recent pain-in-the-neck events, and it could come to even greater bloodshed and it's gonna suck for the average person regardless.

Grimlyn posted...

also yes the steam page of the roommate is having their comments spammed with slurs and calls for them to be murdered

Steam will ban NSFW content at the request of credit card companies, but probably won't do anything about these people...

Just to be clear, they are spamming the Steam account of the killer's roommate? Who may or may not be trans (as if that's the magic important key for what happened)?

Seanchan posted...

Just to be clear, they are spamming the Steam account of the killer's roommate? Who may or may not be trans (as if that's the magic important key for what happened)?

Correct.

The roommate who, by all reporting so far, put in a tip to the FBI and has been "extremely cooperative" with the investigation

https://www.axios.com/2025/09/13/kirk-suspect-transgender-roommate

Axios' sources said investigators initially wanted the information about the roommate's gender identity kept quiet because that person is being "extremely cooperative" with authorities.

Ah of course, and if they weren't cooperating with the authorities then their gender identity should be made public as a means by which to ridicule them? That's the implication being made there??

Imagine if it's just another cis male.

foolm0r0n posted...

Anyone know if Epstein had a trans roommate?

"I dont know"

HeroicCrono posted...

He won't because he's not saying that all people on the left are the problem, just the radicals. He's not saying it's 50% of the left like Hillary did.

I mean, the radical left is still a pretty large group of people. Is the argument "insulting half of the Republicans is bad but insulting any group smaller than that is fine"?

It depends on what his opinion of the word "radical" is. Considering the same people who are trying to get people's lives ruined for expressing their freedom of speech whilst simultaneously citing that Kirk was killed for his freedom of speech are also the ones who define what the "radical left" actually is, it's a little concerning.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f350ccf2.jpg

Grimlyn posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f350ccf2.jpg

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Mr_Lasastryke posted...

I mean, the radical left is still a pretty large group of people. Is the argument "insulting half of the Republicans is bad but insulting any group smaller than that is fine"?

The difference is that Trump's usage is tautological. Radical people are by definition radical while non-radical people are not radical. So if no percentage is given, people can decide that they are not radical. And they can decide that the percentage must be low enough that people they know who they like must not be radical.

Hillary said half of Trump supporters are deplorable. Since obviously nowhere near that many people self-identity as deplorable, she meant that people who don't consider themselves deplorable are deplorable.

Where did I put my "Hillary Was Right About Everything" hat...

Oh, speaking of deplorable, I got a look at the Ezra Klein column for the NYT praising Kirk for his charisma and moral character.

Ezra Klein lives by the rule of civility that most conservatives have long since abandoned. Of course, in truth, Charlie Kirk was not civil. He was a clip farmer, who represented the people least prepared to debate him. He was the professional boxer, looking to punch down on amateurs. He wanted to make his opposition look stupid, foolish, and wrong. He had no real interest in debate. It's why he went to colleges to 'debate'. He couldn't fight at his weight class, so he tried fighting at a lower level. And it worked because it made him look smart, and his opposition look dumb. And Ezra Klein fell for it hook, line and sinker.

He didn't go in looking for a deeper understanding of left-wing ideology, becuase the right has no interest in left wing ideology. They don't care what it is, why we believe what we believe, or any of that. All they care about is power, and winning. Anything else doesn't matter.

So no, he didn't do politics the 'right way'. He exacerbated all the problems in politics today, and increased the division rather than attempt to build bridges. This is why nobody should be painting him as some sort of moderate-- he was not, unless you're comparing him to Nick Fuentes, at which point you've lost the plot.

Charlie Kirk was a charlatan and a fraud. He had no moral character. I'll say that he did not deserve to die for it, but I will also not sanctify his beliefs, his actions, or anything else about him simply because he was killed. And the left really needs to stop sanctifying him. He spread divisive hate and he was good at it.

The world should know what kind of person Kirk was, not because it excuses his death, but because it prepares them for the next one, and lets them understand why so many of us did not like him. Unfortunately, the people who most need to listen, will never hear it in their echo chambers. They will close their ears to it. And our division will grow further.