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Trumpo
08/20/25 8:04:43 AM
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It's toast

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Southernfatman
08/20/25 8:04:52 AM
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Can we fix the United States in general?

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hmnut7
08/20/25 8:19:01 AM
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In theory its not too late to fix, but there is no desire to fix it, it is an uphill battle to even have a discussion about fixing it.


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Aristoph
08/20/25 8:20:41 AM
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Outlaw private education. You'll be amazed how quickly the public schools get funding when all the rich people have to send their kids there too.

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FearlessMango
08/20/25 8:22:31 AM
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yes
will the people that have the ability to fix it actually fix it? no

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pinky0926
08/20/25 8:22:57 AM
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Education is only one part of the pie. You also have to fix the way content fundamentally works. The age of "everyone has an opinion and mine is just as important as yours", the democratisation of science, social media algorithms that lend bias to the opinions you like...all of this is at fault.

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Prismsblade
08/20/25 8:24:11 AM
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Its been broken for decades. As for a fix there is none because no one cares about education here.

Then people freak out and wonder how countrys like China have surpassed us technologically in such a short time.

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BamaDon
08/20/25 8:25:30 AM
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No.
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Squall28
08/20/25 8:37:50 AM
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I think steps exist to fix it, but there's too much ego, greed, and selfishness to ever implement it.

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bluezero
08/20/25 8:39:51 AM
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They're about to add the Bible and the ten commandments to schools. Neither of which the people putting it there follow.

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KaZooo
08/20/25 8:42:23 AM
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No.

It has been manipulated into a privilege of reduced accessibility. Society as a whole largely lost sight of its value because of all the other ongoings in the upbringing of a new generation. Distractions, hardships, on top of the accessibility being taller hurdles to overcome.


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Scardude
08/20/25 9:52:12 AM
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Aristoph posted...
Outlaw private education. You'll be amazed how quickly the public schools get funding when all the rich people have to send their kids there too.
This is actually the right take. Things will change almost over night

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qwerti
08/20/25 9:56:56 AM
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ya cant fix wat aint broke
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Giant_Aspirin
08/20/25 9:57:33 AM
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we can, but those in charge don't want to because uneducated people are easier to control and manipulate.

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Giant_Aspirin
08/20/25 9:58:26 AM
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Aristoph posted...
Outlaw private education. You'll be amazed how quickly the public schools get funding when all the rich people have to send their kids there too.

disagree. let people have choices. but if you choose to send your kids to private school, you should still pay the normal property taxes to fund local public schools.

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Thanatos_the_Great
08/20/25 9:58:27 AM
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Aristoph posted...
Outlaw private education. You'll be amazed how quickly the public schools get funding when all the rich people have to send their kids there too.

Or at the very least, ban all elected officials and cabinet members from sending their children to private schools.

Similarly, ban them from using cars instead of public transport, and require them only to use only the same government-provided healthcare that's available to the general public.

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BB_mofo
08/20/25 10:01:12 AM
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Aristoph posted...
Outlaw private education. You'll be amazed how quickly the public schools get funding when all the rich people have to send their kids there too.

Didn't Sweden do this? They also mandated mixed income neighborhoods so that the rich are forced to invest where lower income citizens reside.

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tripleh213
08/20/25 10:07:30 AM
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BamaDon posted...
No.


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asdf8562
08/20/25 10:10:02 AM
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Under the Trump administration? The administration trying to say slavery wasnt all that bad, the Confederates are valued tragic US heroes that we should treasure starues of, and so much more revisionist history......

Do we really want to "fix" it right now?
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FearlessMango
08/20/25 10:11:12 AM
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asdf8562 posted...
The administration trying to say slavery wasnt all that bad, the Confederates are valued tragic US heroes that we should treasure starues of, and so much more revisionist history......
PragerU working double over time to get this into schools by tomorrow

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Sayoria
08/20/25 10:17:08 AM
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Youtube and Tiktok are the new American school. Welcome to "It was just a joke bro 101" and "Safe Cooking Class with Chef Pii".

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DoesntMatter
08/20/25 10:20:12 AM
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We need to outlaw non-secular education and institute a federal standard for curricula. Make it so that red states can't teach bullshit like "intelligent design" or that black people actually benefitted from slavery. And we should definitely shut down propaganda organizations like PragerU.

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KanWan
08/20/25 10:44:58 AM
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Im trying, for sure. I think they appreciate someone that dips into the mental frame of mind they live via the media they consume. In general, Im very much into the same stupidity, but it is in a different form.

Just to clue you into the state of the world.. a student really tried to convince me they were able to listen to music via YouTube and listen to the audio reading of their Spanish assignment (Spanish Language Arts) at the same time.

Absolute foolery lol.

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archizzy
08/20/25 10:47:06 AM
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Ignoring the political aspect of this because its just not an area I dont like to participate in here I think the Internet itself has just dumbed people down. Again Im not talking about the political aspect of propaganda and targeted lies.

I mean just all of it as a whole. Starting small with spell check and auto correct dumbing down peoples basic spelling and language skills, their ability to do basic math, hell their ability to actually research and find information. Now they have all the info at their fingertips but its also tied in with mommy blogs and influencers and random dudes they are listening to instead of doctors and scientists.

Peoples attention spans are so short now. They want a TLDR now for everything and a summary for a 5 minute video. We could have the best education in the world and it wouldnt matter because people would turn to their phone to watch a cat video or the latest clip of ow my balls like on Idiocracy.

With AI its even worse because people just believe anything they see or automatically distrust it and very few look at things critically or logically and the connectivity of the world allows these people to connect with other who are like themselves and reinforce their beliefs.

So yeah I think the Internet for all the good it does will always have this negative impact of just dumbing shit down and I dont think school can ever overcome that.

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R_Jackal
08/20/25 10:49:59 AM
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No, Americas biggest product is dumbass citizens who buy everything they see in a 20 mile radius.
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Bass
08/20/25 10:53:31 AM
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Yes, but it won't be easy especially when one side is actively sabotaging it.

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Kalk
08/20/25 12:18:03 PM
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Teacher shortage is already a massive problem that is just going to get worst in the next few years.

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ChocoboMogALT
08/20/25 12:22:28 PM
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Mississippi has drastically improved the reading scores of it's students since 2013 by taking an intentional and concerted effort. Yes, we could fix many issues in education by approaching them better and investing in the right places.
Other issues largely come down to culture and politics, which are still salvageable at this point.

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Evening_Dragon
08/20/25 12:26:34 PM
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Killing private education is something I would do if I thought it was feasible, but I would think it difficult to fight directly. Gotta nickel and dime that shit.

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TendoDRM
08/20/25 12:33:40 PM
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Aristoph posted...
Outlaw private education. You'll be amazed how quickly the public schools get funding when all the rich people have to send their kids there too.

Yep, charter schools, homeschooling, "school choice" all need to be done away with.

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Ivany2008
08/20/25 1:08:04 PM
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Education generally in North America is awful. I can only speak from what I know from 20 years ago, but I certainly wasn't prepared to deal with the real world when I left high school. At the time they focused too much on credits and not what actually needed to be taught, and when I took Canadian History in Level 1, I wasn't allowed to switch to Canadian Law in Level 2, I was forced to take World History instead.

I'd much rather see a 4th year be added to high school, which solely focuses on real life skills. Taxes, Budgeting, Marketing, Business, Cleaning, etc.
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SaikyoStyle
08/20/25 1:09:02 PM
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Of course we can. We just wont.

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Voidgolem
08/20/25 1:23:10 PM
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Is it possible? Yes. Given time and effort

Nobody wants to put the effort in and we're starting from a net negative position, though. It would take decades to dig up and out and the US is not producing educators because education is not viewed as valuable by the oligarchy and alt-right people who keep getting elected at the levels most capable of putting in the effort.

A smart, trained, creative populace is disruptive to big business and our form of capitalism discouraged that most intensely

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Quezovercoatl
08/20/25 1:25:06 PM
#36:


bluezero posted...
They're about to add the Bible and the ten commandments to schools. Neither of which the people putting it there follow.
Imagine if the kids actually decides to
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2001mark
08/20/25 1:26:02 PM
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40yrs late, now your kids will suit up for ICE & invading Mexico... #NobelPeace
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archizzy
08/20/25 2:45:34 PM
#38:


Ivany2008 posted...
Education generally in North America is awful. I can only speak from what I know from 20 years ago, but I certainly wasn't prepared to deal with the real world when I left high school. At the time they focused too much on credits and not what actually needed to be taught, and when I took Canadian History in Level 1, I wasn't allowed to switch to Canadian Law in Level 2, I was forced to take World History instead.

I'd much rather see a 4th year be added to high school, which solely focuses on real life skills. Taxes, Budgeting, Marketing, Business, Cleaning, etc.

I cant speak for every region or age group and gave no idea what they do now but these things were absolutely a part of my Midwest education growing up and I live in bumfuck nowhere in the middle of cornfields and cow pastures.

Taxes and filing a return was a part of economics. We also had a set budget we got to spend on stocks (simulated) and tracked them for a semester to see what we made of lost. We made household budgets. We had business education. Admittedly I dont remember anything about marketing.

Cleaning, cooking, and sewing was a part of home economics. We made food, were taught how to properly dice veggies and do basic cooking and recipes. We had to cut out and sew and make a sweatshirt. We were taught how to patch jeans and run a sewing machine.

Shop class taught how to do maintenance on a car, change tires, change oil, do stuff like basic woodworking (make a birdhouse) and how to use basic tools and fix things around a house.

This stuff was like half our curriculum in junior high. But most of us already were taught this stuff at home before we even got to that age.

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name_unknown
08/20/25 2:48:50 PM
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Each state runs their own schools and make their cuts so not sure how federally you can do it
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Umbreon
08/20/25 2:54:44 PM
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It's cooked, I'm afraid.


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AlveinFencer
08/20/25 3:14:09 PM
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Define "fix." I'm sure some would argue that it's working as intended.

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Ivany2008
08/20/25 3:19:36 PM
#42:


archizzy posted...
I cant speak for every region or age group and gave no idea what they do now but these things were absolutely a part of my Midwest education growing up and I live in bumfuck nowhere in the middle of cornfields and cow pastures.

Taxes and filing a return was a part of economics. We also had a set budget we got to spend on stocks (simulated) and tracked them for a semester to see what we made of lost. We made household budgets. We had business education. Admittedly I dont remember anything about marketing.

Cleaning, cooking, and sewing was a part of home economics. We made food, were taught how to properly dice veggies and do basic cooking and recipes. We had to cut out and sew and make a sweatshirt. We were taught how to patch jeans and run a sewing machine.

Shop class taught how to do maintenance on a car, change tires, change oil, do stuff like basic woodworking (make a birdhouse) and how to use basic tools and fix things around a house.

This stuff was like half our curriculum in junior high. But most of us already were taught this stuff at home before we even got to that age.

The issue at least where I am, is that all of that was "electives", when it should have been mandatory. Meanwhile Literature and Math was considered mandatory. Nothing against Math, I use it to this day, but the stuff taught in high school was garbage that quite frankly should only be taught as part of college curriculum for those that are going into an industry that needs it. I haven't used Trig since high school, and I doubt I'll ever need to use Trig.

I had to learn taxes and budgeting from my father, who was a bank manager for over 30 years. Which sounds a lot more fun than it actually is.
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archizzy
08/20/25 3:30:35 PM
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Ivany2008 posted...
The issue at least where I am, is that all of that was "electives", when it should have been mandatory. Meanwhile Literature and Math was considered mandatory. Nothing against Math, I use it to this day, but the stuff taught in high school was garbage that quite frankly should only be taught as part of college curriculum for those that are going into an industry that needs it. I haven't used Trig since high school, and I doubt I'll ever need to use Trig.

I had to learn taxes and budgeting from my father, who was a bank manager for over 30 years. Which sounds a lot more fun than it actually is.

Yeah these were all part of required classes in junior high in my area/era. A lot of guys rolled their eyes and whined about having to cook and sew and were told tough shit, its a good skill set to have.

Junior high is when they really truly taught you stuff. I felt like elementary was your baseline for spelling, cursive, reading , basic math like multiplication tables and working on speed. Reading, English, all your good baseline education.

But junior high was life skills. Like even gym class in junior high was useful shit like we had 9 weeks of swim lessons in the pool. I already was a great swimmer but still loved getting to be in the pool for an hour during school.

To me it was high school that was a joke. It was all electives, half my day was study hall, got out early for work release program. It was all about playing sports, dating, and having fun with friends. High school was a waste of time. My last two years of high school I only had like 2 legit classes. The rest was choir, gym, and like 4 hours of study hall. I worked in the kitchen for 2 hours a day for extra money and got out early to work my job outside of school. I only had to be in school half the day to play sports.


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YUNASBFGIR
08/22/25 10:54:43 AM
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We can. If we decide to collectively value it. First, we need to figure out what we need to value in education. Is it critical thinking skills? Is it obedience and productivity? A mix? Second, we need to figure out what specific skills we need to cultivate to keep our country relevant in the future. This also means we need to think more about setting up our kids for success, even if it means we (see the richest people) have less now. We actually have to invest in the future. We need to figure out how to build our soft power and be competitive in the world market. We need to diversify our skills and have many different paths our students can take to actually create a more intellectually diverse and curious nation. We also need to provide a message that there are many ways to succeed and many different types of valuable skills that help run a society. We also need to put our money where our mouth is with that one. We actually have to create livable wages and make higher education more accessible.
Thirdly, we need to remove our biases about the content taught in school. We cannot help the future of our society think critically and understand the consequences of their actions if we completely sanitize the history they are being taught. It should not be seen as "look how terrible we were and we should feel bad about ourselves" it should be "we did some terrible things, let's learn from them and not repeat them". Becoming defensive about history is not the way to make a stronger country moving forward. By creating a message of owning up to your mistakes and making the changes needed to better the situation, we will become a stronger nation.
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NO2_Fiend
08/22/25 11:15:38 AM
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People have been saying American education is shit since I was a kid what exactly do they mean by that? My schools taught all the same shit they teach where I am now in Canada and the US standards are higher than Canadian for example an A in US is 90% or higher but the school I attended in Canada it was 80% or higher. I don't hear anyone talk bad about Canadian education (even with the yearly teacher strikes).

So what exactly do people mean? Only thing I can think of is maybe American schools aren't consistent from place to place? My only experience is Lilburn and Littleton/Highlands Ranch schools and they were all top tier.

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orangefire25
08/22/25 11:17:20 AM
#46:


Aristoph posted...
Outlaw private education. You'll be amazed how quickly the public schools get funding when all the rich people have to send their kids there too.
This is a very good move, with proven results abroad.

I don't get it personally, how people living in red states don't just look at the stats on how blue states consistently rank so much higher than them but I'm sure that annoys them

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Resident_Hill
08/22/25 12:31:31 PM
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It's been pretty bad since about 1979. Before that we had better test scores internationally.

What the right is doing, with for example, teaching bible stuff in retaliation for what they see as the left starting. They see "woke ideology" being taught in schools the same as the left sees teaching the bible.

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