Current Events > So what's with the increase in worldwide right wing activity?

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In my experience it's centrists that endlessly criticize the left while praising the right but deflecting criticism by claiming that they're a moderate and not taking sides (despite clearly favoring right wing policies)

This is such a bizarre post and really lines up with your weird comments on trans people in the first Mayor Pete topic.

You may have me confused for someone else.

Naw I see the post, sarcastically talking down to trans people for not accepting Pete's "compromise."

And now in this topic we got you saying Dems should crush politically inconvenient groups for them.

Creepy stuff.

Are screenshots from the other site allowed?

Indeed. And when you have propaganda like this, the left-center don't seem to have much of a chance.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b6ad3743.jpg

Because things appear to be getting worse

What exactly is "getting worse" than isn't directly caused by right wing morons?

Are screenshots from the other site allowed?

Looks like I'm once again mocking leftists, which is something I've been doing in this topic too.

It was directly aimed at trans people unhappy with Pete, and given the context was very tone deaf and carrying water for him.

Given your weird post in this is topic it paints a picture of how you view unpopular populations who are unhappy with their treatment from the Dems.

I may be misinterpreting your post on this topic some since I think your point was obscured

How do you think I view those populations, as people with agency that should take accountability for their choices? If you're a minority and you told people not to vote for Democrats then why complain when you get Republicans? It's literally the thing they advocated for, and Republicans campaigned on being awful. If you're an ally and you told people not to vote Democrat just to inflict us with Republicans, then why am I supposed to take you seriously when this is what you advocated for?

How do you think I view those populations, as people with agency that should take accountability for their choices? If you're a minority and you told people not to vote for Democrats then why complain when you get Republicans? It's literally the thing they advocated for, and Republicans campaigned on being awful. If you're an ally and you told people not to vote Democrat just to inflict us with Republicans, then why am I supposed to take you seriously when this is what you advocated for?

Decades of just below the surface planning by the wealthy - slow erosion of the trust people have in public institutions, spreading fear of immigrants, erasing labor protections, etc.

Social media has been the catalyst for its rapid acceleration tho

What percentage of trans people need to tell people to not vote for Democrats for you to be opposed to trans rights?

July 2024: "you can't vote for Kamala"
August 2024: "you can't vote for Kamala"
September 2024: "you can't vote for Kamala"
October 2024: "you can't vote for Kamala"

2025: "wait why didn't people vote for Kamala."

Also lmao @ the usual grifter suspects pretending to be surprised that loyal lifelong liberal Democrats voted for a Democrat, while fickle centrists did not. The .03% of American citizen non-bot actual voters who are far-far-left were never going to win or lose the election for Kamala, but they (and their foreign bot helpers) knew what they were doing when they dominated all online discussion throughout 2024 to dissuade centrists from voting and help Trump to win.

Since when do centrists listen to far left people online or in real life about anything? Your conspiracy theory lacks any coherent. The problems that led to the 2024 election are the same ones that led to the 2016 one. A warped right wing media landscape, aided by corporate media, neoliberalism destroying every communal aspect of society and all safety nets, white supremacy, Christian nationalism, the lack of a realistic alternative to any of this that's visible to most people, anti-immigrant sentiment, and wages that don't match prices.

People neither didn't even vote due to decades of this, or voted for themselves, or against the people they've been told caused this situation, or just to destroy it all.

Instead of grappling with all that, you're pretending that leftists online convinced centrists not to vote Harris over Gaza when they don't care about that at all. It's insanity.

Since when do centrists listen to far left people online or in real life about anything? Your conspiracy theory lacks any coherent. The problems that led to the 2024 election are the same ones that led to the 2016 one. A warped right wing media landscape, aided by corporate media, neoliberalism destroying every communal aspect of society and all safety nets, white supremacy, Christian nationalism, the lack of a realistic alternative to any of this that's visible to most people, anti-immigrant sentiment, and wages that don't match prices.

People neither didn't even vote due to decades of this, or voted for themselves, or against the people they've been told caused this situation, or just to destroy it all.

Instead of grappling with all that, you're pretending that leftists online convinced centrists not to vote Harris over Gaza when they don't care about that at all. It's insanity.

I take it you were in a coma and missed the exact same bullshit happening in 2016, so you think 2024 was an anomaly and not a pattern.

After tempers settle a bit, could someone provide some sources or data to support the claim that tankies, leftists, or progressive significantly hampered Democrat appeal or significantly undermined voter outreach? Ive been curious about this claim since it started back in November, but I must always leave the conversations before citations are provided :(

it couldn't possibly help Harris

It seems to me you and Zell are both right, but are talking about different parts of the same repeating pattern.

IMO Zell is perfectly correct that underlying structural issues with endgame capitalism etc. and the refusal of the D establishment to do anything serious about any of that are a problem. This has been a problem for decades.

Then what passes for "politics" in election seasons is always a circus act dominated by Republican ratfuckers and their useful idiots, which is what I take to be your point.

Since when do centrists listen to far left people online or in real life about anything? Your conspiracy theory lacks any coherent.

Here's the thing, and I expect both of you know this to be true: Probably 99% of the trolling online against Kamala was by bots on places like Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, etc. The exact same thing happened in 2016--Bernie was robbed by the DNC, what about those emails, etc etc. The bots were probably mostly run by Russia, China and Iran, but we'll never know because the media refuses to analyze 2024 the way they analyzed the 2016 election.

BUT, and this is a big but: a LOT of actual leftists bought into this signal boosting and helped spread it all online. We all saw it on CE. Someone would make a topic, even something like the weather in Vietnam, literally within 5 posts someone would derail it with "but what about Genocide Joe" or whatever. It went on for literally a year. There were maybe 20 to 30 people on CE doing it. I would name them but every time I do I get modded for stating facts. A lot of them were normal liberals on 261, but something about 2024 just broke them. Was it trolling? Yes. But everyone let them get away with it because nobody wanted to admit that anyone would be craven enough to exploit dead and dying Gazans to help Trump win. Anytime anyone pointed this out they'd get dogpiled and the mods would do nothing.

It doesn't matter if each of these people actually voted for Kamala or lived in a solid red/blue state if they convinced 10 or 20 or 30 other people to check out of the election or not vote or vote for Trump/Stein/Spongebob. Multiply this across every social media site and my theory is this is why low-information centrists just did not give a shit and just checked out. Kamala was just too compromised, or politics just felt too hostile and annoying, or they were already trolled about eggs and trans bathrooms and adding fake concerns about Gaza was too much for them to process.

Again, it's the same shit as in 2016. Russia was caught redhanded shitposting about Bernie's coloring book, and then surprise surprise there were people standing around outside the 2016 DNC convention saying "maybe Bernie can still win the nomination, but if he doesn't then he was robbed and I won't vote for Killary." These were real people, not bots.

Meanwhile, there is strong evidence that we're being eaten alive by oligarchs and the death of political imagination and possibility, but you seem to hate anyone that talks about that.

Cause the people talking the loudest about that also told people not to vote or to not vote Democrat.

Cause the people talking the loudest about that also told people not to vote or to not vote Democrat. It's a literal own goal and you want people to take you seriously about it. It's a credibility issue on your part, and no amount of selectively applied statistics will help you overcome it.

Again, what is your evidence that that had anything to do with anything? These are the some of the people with the least impact over politics and public discourse, but suddenly in presidential election years, they gain the power to move heaven and earth while apparently leaving no trace that they did so.

Democrats have been losing ground with the working class of almost every demographic for decades. Trends and polls were pointing against a Democratic win for years before the election. Trump always seems to over perform his polls when on the ballot. Right wing media has completely won. Biden was deeply unpopular and left Kamala holding the bag, to the point where (truly unfathomable) people didn't know she was even running because she didn't get the usual campaign. The complete ceding of the narrative on immigration.

But according to a few of you on Gamefaqs, it actually came down to people being too mean to Biden and Harris. Not that they didn't vote for Harris because there's little evidence that they didn't. Just that their negativity was a primary cause of the loss, based on....what?

Ok man, you're right. If in your own words the opinion of these people doesn't matter then why am I supposed to care about their opinions on anything, especially when they think they're too unimportant to be worth any consideration in the first place?

Again, what is your evidence that that had anything to do with anything? These are the some of the people with the least impact over politics and public discourse, but suddenly in presidential election years, they gain the power to move heaven and earth while apparently leaving no trace that they did so.

Democrats have been losing ground with the working class of almost every demographic for decades. Trends and polls were pointing against a Democratic win for years before the election. Trump always seems to over perform his polls when on the ballot. Right wing media has completely won. Biden was deeply unpopular and left Kamala holding the bag, to the point where (truly unfathomable) people didn't know she was even running because she didn't get the usual campaign. The complete ceding of the narrative on immigration.

But according to a few of you on Gamefaqs, it actually came down to people being too mean to Biden and Harris. Not that they didn't vote for Harris because there's little evidence that they didn't. Just that their negativity was a primary cause of the loss, based on....what?

Pretty much that, but like, at the same time.... if a democrat follows 80% of that but says they don't think we can afford universal healthcare, I'm not going to vote for the dude with a lizard on his head because it'll "teach" the democrats a lesson when a republican comes in and does anti-100% of that

That why I say that politics only happens in primary season.

General elections are just self-defense vs. the Republican menace.

More people unhappy with the way things are going = more people shifting to the political extremes

Welp, yet another topic started to point out how awful the right is has turned just to shit on the left. It is indeed a day ending in Y.

BBT has always been this weirdly hyperfocused