Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 453: Revolt smarter not harder.

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Oh yeah, it's a thing. I forget if we went down this rabbit hole years ago or not but it is absolutely a thing driving alt-right techbros.

Basically some 15-20 years ago this guy named Curtis Yarvin wrote under a pen name describing, essentially, that democracy is incompatible with freedom and therefore democracy has to go and it will be replaced with a Silicon Valley-style tech fascism - where basically the federal government is torn down and "rebuilt" here the President is basically a ceremonial position that acts as a "chairman of the board" and will hire a "CEO" to do the actual day-to-day governing and control of the federal government - ignoring oversight or restraint by Congress or the courts.

It's basically late-stage capitalism in its final form - but as expressed by people who are like "this is actually the desired goal and anything and everything that impedes it must be ripped out and destroyed."

People like Thiel, Musk, etc. are adherents to it and the current situation where Musk is basically acting as the "real" President while Trump sits at his desk and is told off by Musk's kid is like... a comically on the nose warning siren. Hell, even the mass firing of federal employees is part of the plan.

I'm not doing a great job of explaining this here because honestly it's some deeply depressing and demoralizing shit (which is also by design - to wear out the opposition) and I'm sure there are better explainers out there. It's essentially a desire and drive to return to kings, monarchy, and city-states with a corporate paint job ("CEO" instead of "king", "gov-corps" instead of "city-states," etc.) and incorporates use of accelerationism by helping get there faster by causing crises to break down the existing social order so they can built up their fantasy.

Didn't someone post a video in this topic about it? Or did I find that on Reddit...

The pen name in question is Mencius Moldbug, in case that one rings a bell more to anyone here.

Trump admits he doesnt know why Elon Musk met with Indias Modibut claims the DOGE boss is on a leash

President Trump said he is personally keeping an eye on Elon Musks conflicts of interest between his private interests at companies like Space X and Tesla, and DOGE. The Commander-in-Chief then said he didnt know if Musk had met Indias Prime Minister, Narendra Modi, as a private citizen or special government employee.

https://fortune.com/2025/02/14/president-trump-musk-modi-conflicts-interest-meeting/

maybe elon's kid was on to something

Thorn posted...

Oh yeah, it's a thing. I forget if we went down this rabbit hole years ago or not but it is absolutely a thing driving alt-right techbros.

Basically some 15-20 years ago this guy named Curtis Yarvin wrote under a pen name describing, essentially, that democracy is incompatible with freedom and therefore democracy has to go and it will be replaced with a Silicon Valley-style tech fascism - where basically the federal government is torn down and "rebuilt" here the President is basically a ceremonial position that acts as a "chairman of the board" and will hire a "CEO" to do the actual day-to-day governing and control of the federal government - ignoring oversight or restraint by Congress or the courts.

It's basically late-stage capitalism in its final form - but as expressed by people who are like "this is actually the desired goal and anything and everything that impedes it must be ripped out and destroyed."

People like Thiel, Musk, etc. are adherents to it and the current situation where Musk is basically acting as the "real" President while Trump sits at his desk and is told off by Musk's kid is like... a comically on the nose warning siren. Hell, even the mass firing of federal employees is part of the plan.

I'm not doing a great job of explaining this here because honestly it's some deeply depressing and demoralizing shit (which is also by design - to wear out the opposition) and I'm sure there are better explainers out there. It's essentially a desire and drive to return to kings, monarchy, and city-states with a corporate paint job ("CEO" instead of "king", "gov-corps" instead of "city-states," etc.) and incorporates use of accelerationism by helping get there faster by causing crises to break down the existing social order so they can built up their fantasy.

From the way my associate described it, it sounds like the kind of sci-fi nonsense that techy but unrealistic bros would get their kicks out of, but chock full of serious vulnerabilities otherwise. Like... Orson Scott Card's version of Metal Gear Solid

I bet Fool has read the manifesto :V

foolm0r0n posted...

Certainly not, but the bad faith interpretation supports the status quo of the medical industrial complex. If they can make you defend the status quo so easily like this, then you've lost.

I have not seen any evidence that the status quo wrt things like "more kids are being diagnosed with autism now than in 1980" is actually bad.

The main problems with health care right now are that it's expensive and inaccessible, not that people actually get too much of it.

Happy Valentine's Day.

Let's all remember that the current presidential couple is perhaps the worst romantic couple to ever be in the WH, unless I'm missing another couple.

https://youtube.com/shorts/937kMMude1E?si=GoxdFfJw1Lii_zwK

AuraChannelerCh posted...

Happy Valentine's Day.

Let's all remember that the current presidential couple is perhaps the worst romantic couple to ever be in the WH, unless I'm missing another couple.

One of our Presidents cheated on his wife in the White House.

I feel confident saying it's been more than one

Kenri posted...

I feel confident saying it's been more than one

I feel confident that youre probably right.

https://www.404media.co/anyone-can-push-updates-to-the-doge-gov-website-2/

foolmo especially will get a kick out of this. The Doge website is insecurethese folks have every bit of our personal information btw.

https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1890441976417264027

Normally I wouldn't post directly from Twitter, but I think we all need to see what the official handle is up to these days.

Thorn posted...

Basically some 15-20 years ago this guy

Pretty much right around when.....

It actually was 2007 (and 2008) when it started IIRC lol

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

foolmo especially will get a kick out of this. The Doge website is insecurethese folks have every bit of our personal information btw.

If someone didn't put "Fuck Elon Musk" in there somewhere, I will be disappointed in us as people.

Thorn posted...

It actually was 2007 (and 2008) when it started IIRC lol

all of modern society sadly does. Fuck social media

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

foolmo especially will get a kick out of this. The Doge website is insecurethese folks have every bit of our personal information btw.

I want to try the method but I'm afraid it's honeypot

That's the big one

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/14/media/white-house-ap-ban-air-force-one-oval-office-gulf-of-mexico/index.html

I dont know who she is, but she seems like a right wing grifter.

But anyway, apparently Elon sired another fucking kid: https://twitter.com/stclairashley/status/1890554279749951687?s=46&t=v9nzYLLBIiNYrqldFs9NWQ

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I dont know who she is, but she seems like a right wing grifter.

But anyway, apparently Elon sired another fucking kid: https://twitter.com/stclairashley/status/1890554279749951687?s=46&t=v9nzYLLBIiNYrqldFs9NWQ

Sweetie, the kid may be safe, but totally not the attention.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/14/climate/nuclear-nnsa-firings-trump/index.html

BRILLLIANT!

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/02/trump-eeoc-transgender-worker-discrimination-dismissal/

When they tell you they just want to protect women in sports, tell them to shut their lying fucking mouths.

Kenri posted...

I have not seen any evidence that the status quo wrt things like "more kids are being diagnosed with autism now than in 1980" is actually bad.

Was gonna ask to this, what is the rate of chronic med prescription in the US vs healthier countries? It's not about overdiagnosis, but about overprescription which makes Americans financially chained to the medical industrial complex.

The MIC is a horribly inefficient system that devours all money injected into it, regardless of the health benefit to the people. To say the only issue is to say that the healthcare barons need to be richer with a system that is even more inefficient.

First the system needs to be made at least as efficient as healthy countries, THEN we can address the financial injustice. All efforts to do it the other way around have failed miserably. (Although according to the barons, they have greatly succeeded.)

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/15/business/nlrb-trump-musk-workers/index.html

The NLRB is unable to function, meaning employers can now trample workers rights with no chance of reprisal.

Seanchan posted...

The NLRB is unable to function, meaning employers can now trample workers rights with no chance of reprisal.

Just remember, Dems need to be more pro-worker!

foolm0r0n posted...

Was gonna ask to this, what is the rate of chronic med prescription in the US vs healthier countries?

No idea, but it's not as simple as a 1:1 comparison. For example, workers might have less protections and less time off in America, leading to more injuries, leading to higher rates of chronic pain, leading to more painkillers being prescribed. In theory this EO would address exactly this scenario, but given who's running the government right now it's more likely they'll just put more limits on how much pain medication can be prescribed.

To be clear I do agree with your general points but if you think the Trump administration is the group to tackle this you're just plain not paying attention to American politics.

oh we about to have some real illegal shit go down, aren't we?

https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:nvfposmpmhegtyvhbs75s3pw/post/3liaehy3rq22n

Seanchan posted...

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/15/business/nlrb-trump-musk-workers/index.html

The NLRB is unable to function, meaning employers can now trample workers rights with no chance of reprisal.

Cannot stress enough how important the NLRB is and how fucked we all are now.

Apologies for the Fox News link but it's where I came across this.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doge-scores-big-court-win-allowed-access-data-3-federal-agencies

DOGE is being allowed access to Labor, HHS, and CFPB records.

The judge says DOGE is an "agency" therefore it's allowed under the Economy Act (I know nothing about what that is.). At the same time, the judge acknowledges "that the government did not want DOGE to be considered an agency for purposes of another federal law, which would subject it to open records requests."

Just fucking great! The courts will not save us.

https://bsky.app/profile/lewiskamb.bsky.social/post/3li5yhexnhs2x

Pandemics are cancelled guys! If we don't know then they don't exist!

I need to stop, this is not good for my mental health.

Seanchan posted...

Just fucking great! The courts will not save us.

Did you really expect them to? They won't stand up to Trump. We need a real resistance, but I'm not sure people have it in them to do it.

A gap has formed between me and my relatives here. They've chosen to remain willfully ignorant of what's going on, despite my warnings and begging them that we should leave as soon as possible. I'm seriously considering just leaving without them, as painful as it is for me and them.

Dancedreamer posted...

Did you really expect them to? They won't stand up to Trump. We need a real resistance, but I'm not sure people have it in them to do it.

Personally? Of course not, but there has been this current online that somehow the courts would step in when they went too far.

https://www.passnational.org/index.php/news/873-pass-statement-on-firing-of-probationary-employees-at-faa

Fucking hell, as if flying in the US needed to be any more unsafe after three accidents in the past month...

Yeah, firing every probationary employee (and not just at the FAA) is going to have major effects years down the line when there's literally no one ready to step up into higher level roles. No new blood and institutional knowledge eventually goes away in some form or another. I'd say it's enormously short sighted but this administration is doing it on purpose.

Also gonna be really hard to hire to rebuild for a long time after this. Part of the implicit deal with government jobs is that you're trading money for stability, and Trump and Elon just destroyed that tradeoff.

I'm getting really worried now that air travel to the US will be cut off soon...

https://www.ktvh.com/news/montana-senate-votes-down-bill-requiring-ten-commandments-in-public-schools

Between this and South Dakota getting rid of their same bill, it looks like at least some of the northern red states are showing resistance to Christofascism.

They probably expect those to lose and then bring them before the Supremely Corrupt where theyll allow it

That's not how bills work.

Weve got a President who doesnt seem to care how any part of the system works either so you never know

Kenri posted...

To be clear I do agree with your general points but if you think the Trump administration is the group to tackle this you're just plain not paying attention to American politics.

If you think you can predict the future then you're much more wrong.

I would never have guessed that Trump 1.0 would execute the most groundbreaking biomedical engineering project that the world has seen for 50+ years, but he did. The bull in a china shop strategy can end up breaking some valuable status quos, and it's up to us to encourage that while we're in this situation, while also resisting the bad stuff.

foolm0r0n posted...

If you think you can predict the future then you're much more wrong.

I would never have guessed that Trump 1.0 would execute the most groundbreaking biomedical engineering project that the world has seen for 50+ years, but he did. The bull in a china shop strategy can end up breaking some valuable status quos, and it's up to us to encourage that while we're in this situation, while also resisting the bad stuff.

Did that groundbreaking biomedical engineering project not end up further enriching Moderna, Pfizer, and Johnson&Johnson, the exact kind of medical barons you were complaining about? And the way the Trump administration handled it turned like half the country against vaccines, which is what I'm complaining about.

(Also Trump is one of the most predictable politicians on the planet, we should all be able to predict him pretty easily)

kevwaffles posted...

That's not how bills work.

I don't think things like that super matter at this point

Kenri posted...

Did that groundbreaking biomedical engineering project not end up further enriching Moderna, Pfizer, and Johnson&Johnson, the exact kind of medical barons you were complaining about?

Yes, but in that case the riches seemed reasonable given the value. If medical companies got rich from providing value, like what's expected of every other company, then that's good and fine. We do actually need scientists to develop medicine and provide services that make our lives better. What we don't need is the MIC exploiting that for 100x profit and holding people's health hostage in the process.

But if you are so confident in predicting this administration then great, you'll do fine.

foolm0r0n posted...

But if you are so confident in predicting this administration then great, you'll do fine.

Yay I love that for me

AriaOfBolo posted...

I don't think things like that super matter at this point

Oh I'm not trying to alleviate doomerism here. But the Supreme Court is more for destroying laws. If we get to the point of passing unpassable laws, they won't be involved.

Did anybody mention how JD Vance went to a European security conference and dedicated his speech to insulting Americas European allies and vocally supported the far-right?

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/14/europe/jd-vance-munich-speech-europe-voters-intl/index.html

Hes basically just telling everybody that America cant be trusted.

Is that the event where another leader tore up their speech and just angrily responded to Vance instead?