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I get that maybe, at some point, there were fat activists who just wanted to make sure overweight people werent discriminated against at work or treated badly. Thats fair nobody should be dehumanized over their size. But now? It feels like the movement has turned into people complaining about the wrong things.

Take this woman, Jaybae, for example shes mad that she doesnt get a free extra seat on a plane and that restaurant chairs are too small. Then theres that rapper whos suing because they couldnt fit into a car. Like come on. That is really what made me make this topic. I saw some people defending her.

Some also refuse to be weighed at the doctors office because they say medical staff ignore everything else and just focus on their weight. And you know what, doctors only looking at someone's weight is something that really does happen and is not good. However two things. First that is when they ONLY look at weight and nothing else these people complain when they bring it up at all. And the doctor still has eyes. They can still see you even if you are not weighting in .

Then theres the whole thing about stores not carrying their size in person but having it online. When I was bigger, that happened to me too. It sucks, but its not some huge scandalits just how retail works.

And dont even get me started on Health at Every Size. Thats just setting people up for failure. They act like weight has nothing to do with diet or lifestyle, which is just not true. That kind of mindset is dangerous. That literally kills people. I am not one of these people who lost weight and not hate bigger people. In fact, I am the opposite I love my big brothers and sisters. And I hate seeing people fall for these grifters .

I dunno, as a fat man, being active would help me lose weight

Anime_Killer17 posted...

I dunno, as a fat man, being active would help me lose weight

I guessing this is a joke. But being active is just icing on the cake . Cutting down on your intake is where the magic happens.

cjsdowg posted...

I guessing this is a joke. But being active is just icing on the cake . Cutting down on your intake is where the magic happens.

Not to mention exclusively drinking water, and alot of it.

Fat activist being to lazy and weak willed to loose weight is why they did what they did. Now with ozempic a thing its all but died now.

As a fat person I think making sure fat people are treated like people is reasonable.

However if you let yourself get extremely obese you also need to take responsibility for your life choices. The world doesn't have to acommodate you because you chose to be a 500 lbs chonkster

McmadnessV3 posted...

As a fat person I think making sure fat people are treated like people is reasonable.

However if you let yourself get extremely obese you also need to take responsibility for your life choices. The world doesn't have to acommodate you because you chose to be a 500 lbs chonkster

The world doesn't have to accommodate them, but in a lot of situations everyone would be happier if they did. Take the person so big they cover 1.1 airplane seats. They could squeeze into 1 seat, but it's not just them not being accommodated but also the person next to them. Everybody would have a better flight if the bigger person was given a second seat. And cramming the two of you together is what leads to overweight people not being treated fairly. The person crammed next to the overweight person often doesn't blame the airline but blames the overweight person so now they have that added grudge from going through the unpleasant experience of being crammed in there by the airline.

McmadnessV3 posted...

The world doesn't have to acommodate you because you chose to be a 500 lbs chonkster

Except in Michigan, the only state where being fat is a protected class.

bfslick50 posted...

he world doesn't have to accommodate them, but in a lot of situations everyone would be happier if they did. Take the person so big they cover 1.1 airplane seats...

This bigger person can just get 2 seats. SouthWest gives bigger people two seats and this get smaller people upset because the big person got a free seat.

bfslick50 posted...

The world doesn't have to accommodate them, but in a lot of situations everyone would be happier if they did. Take the person so big they cover 1.1 airplane seats. They could squeeze into 1 seat, but it's not just them not being accommodated but also the person next to them. Everybody would have a better flight if the bigger person was given a second seat. And cramming the two of you together is what leads to overweight people not being treated fairly. The person crammed next to the overweight person often doesn't blame the airline but blames the overweight person so now they have that added grudge from going through the unpleasant experience of being crammed in there by the airline.

Let's be honest here; everyone needs bigger airline seats. Ride in one of those older smaller planes and compare it to a big new one; it's like "wow, I used to be able to move my legs while sitting".

Companies crammed more and more seats in for $$. Fixing airline seating in general would help larger people.

As someone who used to be 415 pounds and is now 315 and has stayed around that weight for a solid year+ now after YEARS of work to develop better habits and whatnot, I have things to say about this topic for sure. I'll come back in a bit.

It's a tug of war. Dehumanizing people is terrible in all contexts, but there are clear limitations on certain things you can do if it's bad enough.

The way our society is formed produces obese people, so we need to fix these societal flaws with healthy options for food, and better education and incentives around exercise.

cjsdowg posted...

I get that maybe, at some point, there were fat activists who just wanted to make sure overweight people werent discriminated against at work or treated badly. Thats fair nobody should be dehumanized over their size. But now? It feels like the movement has turned into people complaining about the wrong things.

Take this woman, Jaybae, for example shes mad that she doesnt get a free extra seat on a plane and that restaurant chairs are too small. Then theres that rapper whos suing because they couldnt fit into a car. Like come on. That is really what made me make this topic. I saw some people defending her.

Some also refuse to be weighed at the doctors office because they say medical staff ignore everything else and just focus on their weight. And you know what, doctors only looking at someone's weight is something that really does happen and is not good. However two things. First that is when they ONLY look at weight and nothing else these people complain when they bring it up at all. And the doctor still has eyes. They can still see you even if you are not weighting in .

Then theres the whole thing about stores not carrying their size in person but having it online. When I was bigger, that happened to me too. It sucks, but its not some huge scandalits just how retail works.

And dont even get me started on Health at Every Size. Thats just setting people up for failure. They act like weight has nothing to do with diet or lifestyle, which is just not true. That kind of mindset is dangerous. That literally kills people. I am not one of these people who lost weight and not hate bigger people. In fact, I am the opposite I love my big brothers and sisters. And I hate seeing people fall for these grifters .

I have that issue a fair bit and its nothing to do with being fat. Its my height, which is something that I obviously cant control.

There is a DISTINCT difference between "Fat Activism" and being supportive of people despite their size and health.

As odd as this may sound, I do think that 99% of all people who are "fat" or extremely obese or whatever words you want to choose ultimately are that way due to the fact that their relationship with food is based on emotion. This is due to any number of factors, but almost all of it likely has to do with some form of trauma where food became the unhealthy coping strategy to handle whatever trauma happened.

I don't mean necessarily that it is some major horrific life event or something absolutely devastating, but trauma none-the-less. Maybe they went through a phase in their life where they were food deprived and it fundamentally changed their relationship with food. Maybe their parents used food as the ultimate means of comfort and thus it is one of their only coping strategies to handle stress and anxiety. You become 350+ pounds for literally only three reasons.

1 - You are an athlete/are of an exceptional size and 350 pounds is healthy for the sport/height/size that you are.

2 - You have some type of health condition which makes it exceedingly difficult for your body to handle food in general.

3 - Food has become an emotional element in your life.

"Fat activism" has nothing to do with simply sitting back and praising someone for being unhealthy. That is not helpful. But at the same point, it is not helpful to tell overweight people what they already know; "You're fat, it's a problem, what the hell is the matter with you?" and stuff like that. When I was 415 pounds I knew damn well I had a problem. It didn't help me one bit when someone tried to shame me about it. That actually fueled more self-loathing, which made me MORE emotional, and it led to more emotional eating.

Ultimately I made the decision I needed to be healthier for myself, my now late wife, and my family. It took me literally 18-24 months of consistent, well thought out, meaningful slow changes that I could manage to change my relationship with food and develop other coping strategies.

You legitimately want to help someone who is dangerously overweight? Someone you love and care about? Sit down with them and ask them about their relationship with food. Ask them what food means to them, see if they can have an "A-Ha" moment about what it is about their emotions and food and help them to connect those things together. The individual needs to make that connection first before any meaningful change will happen. They need to be in a place where they want to do the work, because at this point food is both a physical addiction and an emotional coping strategy and it is going to take some hard work on both points to really move past it.

I happened to not need any sort of therapy to get to a much healthier place with my relationship to food, but honestly I think a lot of people who are dangerously overweight probably need to connect with counselling and therapy to get to the roots of it so they can make the change.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

I happened to not need any sort of therapy to get to a much healthier place with my relationship to food, but honestly I think a lot of people who are dangerously overweight probably need to connect with counselling and therapy to get to the roots of it so they can make the change....

Thanks for your input on the topic.

cjsdowg posted...

Then theres the whole thing about stores not carrying their size in person but having it online. When I was bigger, that happened to me too. It sucks, but its not some huge scandalits just how retail works.

This bothers me because the available sizes keep getting smaller. I've bought pants with a 42 waist for as long as I remember and never had a problem, where seeing anything 48+ was a gamble. Only over the past few years have I had an issue buying pants due to 38-40 seeming to become the new cutoff point.

loafy013 posted...

This bothers me because the available sizes keep getting smaller. I've bought pants with a 42 waist for as long as I remember and never had a problem, where seeing anything 48+ was a gamble. Only over the past few years have I had an issue buying pants due to 38-40 seeming to become the new cutoff point.

They are migrating over to Big and Tall type stores. Despite the weight loss I've had and the fact I could likely buy pants from traditional retailers, I still have to buy my shirts at Big and Tall because I am 6 feet but I have WAY more torso than I do legs... so I need to buy tall shirts which almost are NEVER available in traditional retailers.

Does it cost a bit more to go that route? Sometimes. I've also found at least my local Big and Tall has sales pretty often and they also tailor for a very reasonable rate. It's worth it for the service they provide and help me look really nice despite my apparent "odd proportions"

cjsdowg posted...

I guessing this is a joke. But being active is just icing on the cake . Cutting down on your intake is where the magic happens.

Being active is way more important. There's usually a correlation between exercise and wanting to eat healthier; the more you exercise the more your body starts craving nutrients to energize your body rather than the processed junk food of fried chicken and pizza and cookies. Cutting down comes naturally; eliminating sugar, focusing on lean meats and vegetables, whole grains, all of that good stuff.

after a point it's less "oh it can't be helped, don't be rude" and more "bro/sis you have *actively refused* help and have A Problem"

Fat shaming is definitely wrong, but those people that are like "You're healthy at any weight. There's no reason to lose weight and anyone telling you to do so are assholes" are way more toxic >_>

As a long time fat guy, any "fat activism" always bothered me. Of course bigger folks shouldn't be treated like complete crap, but a lot of us are fat because of our own faults and we should accept that not every opportunity is open to us.

And at this risk of coming off as one of those types, all that stuff was mostly one sided anyway. It's too focused on women. That "beauty at any size" stuff never applies to men.

I still stand by the belief that "Fat activism" is a reaction to the world being unnecessarily dickish towards fat people.

Fatness is a punchline, it's considered morally okay to mock people for being overweight. Why?

"Because they did it to themselves!" Okay. So how often do you see people make anorexic jokes? How often is someone being dangerously underweight considered inherently funny?

Oh that's different? Why? Eating disorders can hit both sides of the spectrum. People under eat and people over eat.

Like someone said above, mocking fat people rarely encourages them to make healthier habits. So why does society decide to do it?

Umbreon posted...

So why does society decide to do it?

The same reason Fandom got rid of harmless hornyposting. Some people just do it to put others down and make themselves feel better

NeonPhoenix posted...

The same reason Fandom got rid of harmless hornyposting. Some people just do it to put others down and make themselves feel better

It's bullying culture. Some people can't distinguish between being unnecessarily cruel and being realistic. Being overweight is unhealthy, that's a fact. Being sedentary leads to obesity, that's a fact. We can deliver facts without resorting to dehumanizing people.

I've also noticed that people who were once overweight or obese and then lost the weight tend to be the most cruel to others struggling with losing weight.

I think part of the problem is certain groups of fat activists are going out of their way to tell people to just let them be fat. Like,

People: *Minding their own fucking business*

Some fatso: DON'T TELL ME BEING FAT IS UNHEALTHY

People ?? But it literally is?

Fatso: NO, You can't say that! You're disrespecting me!

People: ...But it's literally unhealthy?

Fatso: STOP! Let fat people live their lives!

People: ...We were fucking trying to.

Miquella posted...

I've also noticed that people who were once overweight or obese and then lost the weight tend to be the most cruel to others struggling with losing weight.

I bet it's cuz they had to work hard to lose the weight, and seeing people be fat activists or just not care about being fat seems disrespectful to their hard work to them

NeonPhoenix posted...

I bet it's cuz they had to work hard to lose the weight, and seeing people be fat activists or just not care about being fat seems disrespectful to their hard work to them

As someone who has lost over 100 pounds and kept it off, I've actually found it is far more important for me to share my story as a means to teach and to like, provide an avenue towards change.

I used to minimize it a lot because even being 315 now I still have some ways to go to be truly healthy (I'm on some meds now that have impacted my activity levels a lot the past 8 months and I've maintained my weight rather than losing), but that mentality and not celebrating what I've done really made other people who have struggled to lose 10 pounds feel so much worse.

People need to be supported to make lifestyle changes. Losing weight isn't about dieting, or even as simple as, "put down the fork". People who are severely overweight have to make substantial lifestyle changes that can be maintained literally for the rest of their lives. Don't minimize that, but don't lie about it either.

I tell people all the time that it took an entire change of everything I did to lose weight. When I ate, what I ate, my activity level, my coping strategies, my anxiety and stress, all of it. It is hard and it is why so many people struggle to do it.

Don't be the one who is holding someone back by belittling them and making them feel like shit. Engage with them in a positive way and talk about lifestyle changes they could implement for themselves.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

There is a DISTINCT difference between "Fat Activism" and being supportive of people despite their size and health.

As odd as this may sound, I do think that 99% of all people who are "fat" or extremely obese or whatever words you want to choose ultimately are that way due to the fact that their relationship with food is based on emotion. This is due to any number of factors, but almost all of it likely has to do with some form of trauma where food became the unhealthy coping strategy to handle whatever trauma happened.

I don't mean necessarily that it is some major horrific life event or something absolutely devastating, but trauma none-the-less. Maybe they went through a phase in their life where they were food deprived and it fundamentally changed their relationship with food. Maybe their parents used food as the ultimate means of comfort and thus it is one of their only coping strategies to handle stress and anxiety. You become 350+ pounds for literally only three reasons.

1 - You are an athlete/are of an exceptional size and 350 pounds is healthy for the sport/height/size that you are.

2 - You have some type of health condition which makes it exceedingly difficult for your body to handle food in general.

3 - Food has become an emotional element in your life.

"Fat activism" has nothing to do with simply sitting back and praising someone for being unhealthy. That is not helpful. But at the same point, it is not helpful to tell overweight people what they already know; "You're fat, it's a problem, what the hell is the matter with you?" and stuff like that. When I was 415 pounds I knew damn well I had a problem. It didn't help me one bit when someone tried to shame me about it. That actually fueled more self-loathing, which made me MORE emotional, and it led to more emotional eating.

Ultimately I made the decision I needed to be healthier for myself, my now late wife, and my family. It took me literally 18-24 months of consistent, well thought out, meaningful slow changes that I could manage to change my relationship with food and develop other coping strategies.

You legitimately want to help someone who is dangerously overweight? Someone you love and care about? Sit down with them and ask them about their relationship with food. Ask them what food means to them, see if they can have an "A-Ha" moment about what it is about their emotions and food and help them to connect those things together. The individual needs to make that connection first before any meaningful change will happen. They need to be in a place where they want to do the work, because at this point food is both a physical addiction and an emotional coping strategy and it is going to take some hard work on both points to really move past it.

I happened to not need any sort of therapy to get to a much healthier place with my relationship to food, but honestly I think a lot of people who are dangerously overweight probably need to connect with counselling and therapy to get to the roots of it so they can make the change.

Yeah I'm not a fan of the whole tough love thing either. I'm sure it works for some, but more often than not people will do the opposite out of spite especially when feeling like they're being accused or singled out.

Emotional eating is a problem, and also I think that the whole poverty-obesity link exists in some way. Healthy food being gentrified and expensive to have in western world supermarkets is bizarre when people in asia and africa are growing their own veggies and have their own chickens and get lentils for cheap. Meanwhile a lot of people are uneducated about health and simply eat at mcdonalds.

It takes a lot of dedication and discipline to lose weight for morbidly obese people especially. Then you have people with body problems that contributed to weight gain and those are not easily fixed even for people money and/or time.

Don't care about any nonsensical movements though.

HAAS philosophy is like encouraging people to take up smoking.

NeonPhoenix posted...

I bet it's cuz they had to work hard to lose the weight, and seeing people be fat activists or just not care about being fat seems disrespectful to their hard work to them

Fat people tend to face the most discrimination... from other fat people.

There are drugs that are incredibly effective at combating obesity now. If anyone besides your doctor tells you not to use those options because it's "not losing the right way", then tell them to fuck off while you enjoy living ten years longer with a better quality of life at the end.

Or if you're fine being obese and all that comes with it, that's okay too. You're not a bad person. You just have poor eating habits.

"Fat activism" basically does not exist in any meaningful scope, but you can guarantee that whenever a big person complains about some problem or inconvenience related to their weight, that there will be a huge backlash online about the entitlement of fat people.

If people were meaningfully concerned about the health of fat people for the sake of fat people, you'd expect them to spend their energy directed at the high subsidization of corn they gets made into high fructose corn syrup; the lack of regulation on extra unhealthy and calorie dense food; public health education, etc.

But no, the "conversations" always happen because some fat person complains about a taxi refusing them or something and that goes viral online. It goes viral because our culture views fatness as a moral failing and even an indicator of a spiritual nastiness, and so the person deserves to be dunked on for their gall and audacity the same way a person might be dunked on for wanting to smoke at a daycare.

NeonPhoenix posted...

I bet it's cuz they had to work hard to lose the weight, and seeing people be fat activists or just not care about being fat seems disrespectful to their hard work to them

Miquella posted...

It's bullying culture. Some people can't distinguish between being unnecessarily cruel and being realistic. Being overweight is unhealthy, that's a fact. Being sedentary leads to obesity, that's a fact. We can deliver facts without resorting to dehumanizing people.

I've also noticed that people who were once overweight or obese and then lost the weight tend to be the most cruel to others struggling with losing weight.

It is because it can feel exciting and gratifying for a person who has lived their life at the receiving end of social othering and belittlement to have the opportunity to now enforce that social order from the top. When the person was fat, especially if the person grew up fat, the world around them is very loud about the fact they are fat, that it is shameful, disgusting, a mark of their character, etc. They are made aware they are part of a social out-group. Escaping that out-group, or rather reaching the in-group of skinny people, may have been a major motivation for their weight loss.

It's hard to separate the desire to push back against the generally useless, often harmful fat-shaming, and the assholes who get off on dehumanizing fat people, from the risks of being even simply overweight.

For a lot of the people in the FA/HAES community, including many of the figureheads, fatness is seen as socially liberating and revolutionary in a way that distorts or obscures how personally detrimental and restrictive it is. That shades perceptions of societal shortcomings that impact everyone, from things like dodgy healthcare to inadequate public infrastructure to harmful beauty standards, problems that are compounded by being overweight and now also look like a specific attack on fat people and fatness.

That creates further incentive to double down on fatness as a radical statement against the status quo, establishment, oppressors, etc., but in reality primarily continues to harm the fat person.

Being morbidly obese from the age of 10 to my early 30s, I experienced all the various mistreatment for being obese and it was terrible, to be sure, but none of it compared to the ill health I experienced as a direct result of being fat for so long. I wasn't even 30 and was staring down the strong likelihood of being bed-bound and if that had happened, I know I would have been dead not long after. I was barely able to come back from the point I was at; anything beyond that would have been impossible.

I don't want people to be mistreated simply for being fat but I also don't want anyone to experience the harrowing rock bottom I felt when my health suddenly and dramatically declined. Modern fat activist rhetoric puts those two objectives at odds with each other though, and that's why I tend to go against it.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

"Fat activism" has nothing to do with simply sitting back and praising someone for being unhealthy.

At one time, perhaps, and in theory, maybe, but in practice right now it is exactly that, and worse. It's been hi-jacked by grifters peddling pseudoscience and defeatist claptrap. They do very much promote unhealthy behaviors and praise people for doing things that are bad for their health while demonizing healthful behaviors.

They also seek to punish and silence anyone who goes against their tenets or leaves the flock. My twitter was preemptively blocked by a lot of fat acceptance figures and I had like ten post and three followers. Same for my instagram, though I was a little more successful on that. People I had never even interacted with autoblocked me based on tags for very benign posts about weight loss and exercising.

But at the same point, it is not helpful to tell overweight people what they already know; "You're fat, it's a problem, what the hell is the matter with you?" and stuff like that.

I don't think that's necessarily true. My family and friends played a big part in normalizing my obesity, to the point that I almost had reverse body dysmorphia or something. For the longest time, I truly did not see myself as "that big" and almost everyone in my life reinforced that.

I remember being in fourth grade, right after I first started gaining weight, and seeing my reflection next to a kid who had been fat longer than me. I honestly think I experienced some kind of dissociative episode, a serious departure from reality, because from that point on, every time I saw us together he was fatter and I wasn't fat at all. I found our class picture about 10 years ago and I was a fair bit bigger than him, so that was almost like some Shallow Hal shit. And it was years, and around 200lbs of weight gain, before I was able to truly reckon with the fact that I was fat, even though doctors had been telling me and my mom that for a very long time. And it wasn't until I got down to 250 and was able to far more comfortably navigate the world that it really set in.

Now, was the solution some jackhole yelling fatass as he drove by me walking home from school, or a teacher joking that I needed my own bus on a field trip, or anything like that? No, of course not, but my point is that there are some of us who just don't/didn't see it and there's probably not anything a person can do or say to get through to us. It personally took me a lot of internal suffering to break out of it. I look back on those times now and am thankful for that delusion because I don't think my mind could have handled that reality. I would have had to check all the way out.

Miquella posted...

I've also noticed that people who were once overweight or obese and then lost the weight tend to be the most cruel to others struggling with losing weight.

That's genuinely interesting to me because I've been in weight loss spaces for well over ten years now and have known hundreds of people who've lost substantial amounts of weight. I've never known any of them to be anywhere near as cruel as lifelong thin people with an anti-fat bias. Not saying your observation is wrong or implausible, because I've definitely met some ex-fats who enjoyed having anything to lord over another person and fatness was a way to do that, but anti-fat thins are just so ubiquitous and honestly glorified in a lot of spaces that it stands out to me that someone would position cruel ex-fats over them.

saspa posted...

Fat people tend to face the most discrimination... from other fat people.

Same thing to this. That's just totally incongruent with everything I've experienced personally and observed from others.

Jiek_Fafn posted...

There are drugs that are incredibly effective at combating obesity now. If anyone besides your doctor tells you not to use those options because it's "not losing the right way", then tell them to fuck off while you enjoy living ten years longer with a better quality of life at the end.

Or if you're fine being obese and all that comes with it, that's okay too. You're not a bad person. You just have poor eating habits.

It sucks those drugs aren't universally affordable or accessible though, or without side effects.

Doe posted...

"Fat activism" basically does not exist in any meaningful scope,

There's been a substantial creep into the mainstream though. Every major publication in America has had some kind of fat acceptance or defeatism over the years, including just straight up pseudoscience. I think it was NYT that had a big spread with all the greatest FA hits, though it just ended up being an ad for Wegovy or something lol. And all the pushback tends to be from fat-shaming assholes, unfortunately.

There's been a substantial creep into the mainstream though. Every major publication in America has had some kind of fat acceptance or defeatism over the years

...Are you referring to plus size swimsuit models as "fat defeatism"? I'm gonna need specific examples of what you're decrying.

Doe posted...

...Are you referring to plus size swimsuit models as "fat defeatism"? I'm gonna need specific examples of what you're decrying.

No. I'm talking about promoting the idea that there's little or nothing to do be done about fatness on an individual level because of broader societal obstacles or trends. There's a coordinated effort to perpetually place weight loss out of reach, or outright mystify it, that is communicated as "it's really difficult or maybe even impossible" and results in people throwing up their hands and wondering why they should even bother.

TheLiarParadox hit the nail on the head. I think a lot of people dont understand what me and others are actually talking about when we bring up these so-called "fat activists." Were not going after people who simply believe in fair treatment for everyone. Thats a given. What were calling out are the ones pushing dangerous misinformation and refusing to take accountability for the very real health issues tied to obesity.

Some of these activists go as far as claiming that losing weight is harmful to people with diabetes. Take FatDoctorUK, for example. She outright tells people that theres no way to lose weight and insists that being overweight doesnt impact your joints or blood pressure. Thats not just wrong its reckless. Imagine someone struggling with their health, looking for answers, and being told that theyre helpless and that their weight has no impact on their body. Thats setting people up for failure.

MisterPengy posted...

Fatso

Charming. Were you raised in a barn?

i just wish more people would realize binge eating disorder is a thing too

read thru the replies and Im glad to see its being acknowledged!

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There's enough straw there to build a house.

Umbreon posted...

There's enough straw there to build a house.

ohhhh

it's a straw

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house

it's kinda faulty

the fuck is he even on about

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