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Forceful_Dragon
03/05/25 1:31:46 PM
#201:


Yeah, I am able to enjoy the glacial pacing myself because I'm naturally inclined to prefer "slow burn" shows, but it is also true that S2 is much more scattered. That is at least partially just a consequence of what has happened so far. "Progressing the plot" in season 1 by it's definition meant keeping the focus on the 4 innies in MDR much more than anything else, and really only focusing on Mark's outtie and occasionally Cobel. Now we have one of the main 4 who can only be seen as an outtie, and enough information has been revealed about everyone else that it just isn't possible to touch on everything we want in a single episode.

It's not to the extent of a show like Lost where there are so many plates spinning and things in the air that it becomes actually impossible to provide satisfying resolutions, but there are enough loose threads that I'm really itching to see some significant progress towards tying at least a few of them up before we're given too many more.

I would say I currently have a lot of trust in the way the show is being ran though and will be along for the ride regardless.

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wallmasterz
03/06/25 7:24:22 AM
#202:


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Mercifully, it is Thursday.


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Forceful_Dragon
03/06/25 10:09:38 AM
#203:


Thank Kier

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FFDragon
03/06/25 10:15:16 AM
#204:


Every time you find yourself here, its because you chose to come back

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skullbone
03/06/25 10:21:24 PM
#205:


I'm not one who thinks this season has been too slow... but that episode was a stinker. Maybe the first miss of this entire show for me.

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wallmasterz
03/06/25 10:26:35 PM
#206:


Yeah I didnt dislike the episode but I think this shouldve been condensed to 10-15 minutes worth of content we got in the episodes without Cobel. Maybe she last appeared in episode 3? Then four was Woes Hollow? Yeah, idk maybe setting this up in episodes 5-6 and then giving us the bombshell info to start what will be next weeks episode, leading into the conversation with Devon and Mark

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Denji
03/06/25 10:29:45 PM
#207:


It was probably a necessary episode for selling the Cobel face turn, but yeah we already knew Lumon is an evil cult, so not much new there.

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SeabassDebeste
03/06/25 10:35:11 PM
#208:


i hate the way cobel talks.

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wallmasterz
03/06/25 10:39:45 PM
#209:


SeabassDebeste posted...
i hate the way cobel talks.

I definitely heard this in cobels voice while reading it

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Shattered
03/06/25 10:41:11 PM
#210:


Probably my least favorite of the show. I get why it was necessary but just disappointing after last week.
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Denji
03/06/25 11:09:09 PM
#211:


We did get enough to piece together what's up with Miss Huang. She's part of the child labor pipeline and is probably on the same fellowship.

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Leonhart4
03/06/25 11:16:50 PM
#212:


What a weird episode

But honestly as long as they keep feeding us new bits of the mystery I'm fine

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Johnbobb
03/07/25 12:13:37 AM
#213:


SeabassDebeste posted...
i hate the way cobel talks.
I mentioned this while watching it but I really don't get what Patricia Arquette was going for here

like she's a great actress but her performance here is just all over the place, and I don't know how much of it is on her and how much is in the writing and directing

possibly the weakest episode of the series

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skullbone
03/07/25 12:17:49 AM
#214:


Ehh on her performance I think all of the Lumon people talk like socially awkward weirdos so I think it's intentional. I mean she was raised in a weird cult her whole life so it feels natural she acts like an alien.

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Leonhart4
03/07/25 12:21:31 AM
#215:


Yeah, I think it's meant to signify her social repression and the fact that she secretly hates Lumon even though she works for them.

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MartinFF7
03/07/25 1:11:22 AM
#216:


Good thing we had the discussion about long boring meandering scenes this season before this week's episode, eh

I'm thinking about how I got my parents hooked on the show with season 1, and I'm going to be bringing season 2 with me when I next visit them and like... whether I temper their expectations or something before we watch it. I fear they're really going to struggle with this season.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/07/25 1:29:10 AM
#217:


MartinFF7 posted...
Good thing we had the discussion about long boring meandering scenes this season before this week's episode, eh


Right? Lol

Fwiw, regarding pacing - season 1 was really focused and narrow because the Innies were always so focused and narrow.
Season 2 is bouncing all over the place because Mark is reintegrating, and that has his mind bouncing all over the place.

And yeah, this new episode was boring as heck. I thought last week's episode was fantastic.

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Forceful_Dragon
03/07/25 2:04:55 AM
#218:


Twice now they have ended an episode seeming to indicate reintegration content would be coming soon, and but times they followed it with a completely unrelated episode. At least the first time we got a mysterious but exciting ORTBO episode where it felt like a lot of things were going on. This episode could have just been a few minutes to explain that Cobel not only operated as a manager, but also literally invented the severance procedure and therefore had a reason to hold a grudge against Lumon. But that doesn't explain her loyalty to Lumon in the s1 finale after they fired her. If she has this great reason to flip on them, why didn't it happen then?

But I would guess that the show runners feel like they need to "earn" a Cobel face turn? I feel like they could have just cut to Salt's neck a few times over a few episodes and achieved the same effect without devoting an entire week to it.

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Leonhart4
03/07/25 3:14:32 AM
#219:


"Tell the story quickly, skip the backstory and character development please."

You dedicate this kind of time to a character to get the audience to invest in what happens to them or what they do. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

But yeah, Season 1 could be "sharper" because it was telling the story from within a tight knit circle. The end of Season 1 rapidly expanded that circle, so it would be hard for Season 2 to maintain that same sharpness.

Like perhaps they could've been telling this story in bits and pieces over the course of the season instead of devoting a full episode to it, but it covers a relatively short span of time.

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SeabassDebeste
03/07/25 6:23:23 AM
#220:


yeah cobel is strange af but she also lacks the amusing weird charisma of milkshake and huang. like shems always talking way too loud or way too quietly. but obviously she's being directed this way; severance's acting is almost uniformly excellent so it's clearly what the showrunners are going for

i thought the episode was boring for 3/4 of it, but the final scene where she and her old coworker sat and hung out was really good. i'm not fully convinced the show "earned" that but it was a genuinely good scene.

i have full faith the final episodes will be excellent and move the plot along. LOST expanded its scope in S2 and meandered a ton, resulting in one of its worst seasons, but when it came time to the finale, it came up with arguably its best episode hands down.

as everyone's pointing out, the big problem with this episode is not the scenes themselves, but that they were strung together this way. i continue to feel that if we had chopped up and reordered all the scenes of the season that we could've had a more cohesive story. the finale will pick the right stories to tell, and even if it doesn't tie everything together, it should satisfyingly blow them up

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HanOfTheNekos
03/07/25 7:50:13 AM
#221:


I disagree. I think every single scene in this episode wasn't good.

I recognize that there were some things they wanted to show and express. I would soon defend this season by saying that mood and tone is a big part of what they seek to convey week to week - but this episode failed the basic premise of making television.

I kind of wish I didn't watch it and the previous episode back to back! I was on my highest high this season then sank to my lowest low for the whole show, all in one night. Still hyped for next week, though.

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wallmasterz
03/07/25 7:59:49 AM
#222:


SeabassDebeste posted...
as everyone's pointing out, the big problem with this episode is not the scenes themselves, but that they were strung together this way. i continue to feel that if we had chopped up and reordered all the scenes of the season that we could've had a more cohesive story.

Forceful_Dragon posted...
Twice now they have ended an episode seeming to indicate reintegration content would be coming soon, and but times they followed it with a completely unrelated episode.

Yes. I am a huge fan of Severance, genuinely adore this show. But if I had any criticism for season 2, its this. Individual scenes and episodes are brilliantly edited. But I think many of us miss the feeling of continuity between episodes in this serialized show. A sense of continuity and storytelling momentum carrying over between episodes. I appreciate the bigger scope this season but things have often felt disjointed as a result.

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FFDragon
03/07/25 9:23:04 AM
#223:


Haven't watched yet not looking but I need to post the connections for today

https://www.nytimes.com/games/connections

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Forceful_Dragon
03/07/25 9:29:56 AM
#224:


Leonhart4 posted...
Like perhaps they could've been telling this story in bits and pieces over the course of the season instead of devoting a full episode to it, but it covers a relatively short span of time.


And who is in control of that? The show runners!

I don't think the information we learned would have been cheapened by being spread out over 3~ episodes and it would have required relatively small adjustments to bring it into alignment with the other plots.

Instead of "meet me at the factory" it could simply be "meet me at the factory tomorrow night, I have things to prepare" or however they wanted to handle it.

I don't really want to consider the amount of time involved as a legitimate excuse since that's something they were in control of.

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Leonhart4
03/07/25 9:33:58 AM
#225:


Yeah, they were in control of it and this is obviously the way they wanted to tell the story. It didn't land, and that's all right. They can't all be awesome, and it's not stopping any of us from watching the last two episodes.

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wallmasterz
03/07/25 9:47:26 AM
#226:


FFDragon posted...
Haven't watched yet not looking but I need to post the connections for today

https://www.nytimes.com/games/connections

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/62308da0.png

I have never played connections. But I imagine some of these pairings may fill you with woe, malice, frolic and dread. Good luck refiner.


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SeabassDebeste
03/07/25 9:59:04 AM
#227:


FFDragon posted...
Haven't watched yet not looking but I need to post the connections for today

https://www.nytimes.com/games/connections

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peepin lumon on the upper right too!

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Dels
03/07/25 10:20:27 AM
#228:


i actually knew this was coming since the severance subreddit doesn't have any sort of future-spoilers policy (much less any social etiquette to not discuss them) and they knew ep 8 would be this weeks ago from some reviews or interviews or something. i mean my feelings on season 2 would be the same but i also had in the back of my mind that we were about to get a second "unique" episode in a row.

so i figured it was just gonna be an expansion of episode 3's cobel driving around alone in beautiful snowy places but for 37 minutes, and it basically was! knowing that going in i was able to just appreciate the vibes lol

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Sunroof
03/07/25 11:14:53 AM
#229:


I loved season 1. Season 2 has been pretty lame, in my opinion. The episodes are so slow and filled with scenes where we dont know whats happening, wasteful scenic shots, and slow conversations.
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Shattered
03/07/25 12:16:57 PM
#230:


At least there is a valid reason for the creation of a severance chip. I too would want to be severed if I was being child labored into working the ether vat for 10 hours a day
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Forceful_Dragon
03/07/25 1:13:42 PM
#231:


Shattered posted...
At least there is a valid reason for the creation of a severance chip. I too would want to be severed if I was being child labored into working the ether vat for 10 hours a day

Right that's along the lines of a comment that Stiller has made since the episode dropped. It certainly explains WHY she invented the severance process even if it doesn't really clarify the HOW. She hasn't exactly struck me as an inventive technical genius thus far.

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FFDragon
03/07/25 10:46:29 PM
#232:


Okay now I've watched. And damn was that glacial. Longest 36 minutes ever. That being said it completely recontextualizes S1 from Cobel just being a huge fucking weirdo with Mark to being a scientist excruciatingly analyzing her life's work.

And for that I'll allow it, but I'm ready to stop spinning in place and go all gas no brakes now. The setup is all done. Just go.

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YoBlazer
03/08/25 1:56:45 AM
#233:


I really don't get all the praised heaped on Patricia Arquette for this role. Her character is so one-note, always the same scowl and intimidating try hard line delivery. The Lumon zealots are natural scene stealers because of their uncomfortable oscillation from awkward-friendly, to awkward-threatening, to awkward-psychotic, but Arquette just can't seem to play it like the others. Milchik, for example, does more with a single expression than Cobel does with several lines of dialogue. Hell, Nathalie does.

Edit: and yeah, I get that this might be by design (especially in light of this episode), but I still think Cobel is just not a captivating character and honestly not played very well.

Not a surprise that this would be my least favorite episode of the series by far. Thankfully, it was over quick.

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YoBlazer
03/13/25 11:26:23 AM
#234:


TFW you're not sure if it was that boring-ass episode that killed all discussion for a week, or your post.

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Leonhart4
03/13/25 11:32:52 AM
#235:


I'd say it was the episode itself. Wasn't an episode that lended itself to prolonged discussion.

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MartinFF7
03/13/25 11:34:54 AM
#236:


Yeah, the former. Future rewatch is gonna have this be like, a 95% fast-forward episode. But tbh I also never liked Cobel/Patricia Arquette in that role, and was glad it appeared she was off the show save for what, 3 scenes over the first 3 episodes? but now I guess she's coming back, great...

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Sunroof
03/13/25 2:07:10 PM
#237:


Yeah, her acting is atrocious. The way she speaks is incredibly forced and disingenuous.
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FFDragon
03/13/25 2:16:21 PM
#238:


Every indoctrinated Lumon employee speaks incredibly forced and disingenuous.

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Sunroof
03/13/25 3:59:03 PM
#239:


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FFDragon
03/13/25 4:03:04 PM
#240:


milkshake's whole performance review revolved around how forced his speech is!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/1a86be7d.jpg

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Forceful_Dragon
03/13/25 4:11:53 PM
#241:


GROW
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MartinFF7
03/13/25 4:23:15 PM
#242:


FFDragon posted...
milkshake's whole performance review revolved around how forced his speech is!

well to be fair, "big words" and "forced speech" are two different thi-

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WazzupGenius00
03/13/25 4:54:51 PM
#243:


FFDragon posted...
milkshake's whole performance review revolved around how forced his speech is!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/1a86be7d.jpg
Yeah, thats part of the racial bias they have against him. Everyone else is free to talk that way but not him

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MartinFF7
03/13/25 11:05:03 PM
#244:


Gonna need the finale to deliver because this is currently trending for the biggest season 1-to-2 drop for any show I've watched since fucking "Heroes" and I'm really not happy with that comparison. But man, maybe I got my hopes up for the penultimate ep more than I should have given the previous penultimate-finale duo.
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Leonhart4
03/13/25 11:30:49 PM
#245:


I liked the episode. They're doing a lot of setup, but I guess I can see where people would lose interest because speculating about the mystery is sometimes more fun than solving the mystery if the answers aren't what you're looking for.

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Sorozone
03/14/25 12:13:21 AM
#246:


MartinFF7 posted...
this is currently trending for the biggest season 1-to-2 drop for any show I've watched since fucking "Heroes" and I'm really not happy with that comparison.

That's pretty harsh.

This season definitely hasn't been as strong as season 1, even if the finale ends up being the best episode so far, but it hasn't been that big of a dropoff.

I definitely have complaints about the story structure and some character arcs this season but it has still been very enjoyable.

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Forceful_Dragon
03/14/25 1:42:28 AM
#247:


Leonhart4 posted...
I liked the episode. They're doing a lot of setup, but I guess I can see where people would lose interest because speculating about the mystery is sometimes more fun than solving the mystery if the answers aren't what you're looking for.

This seems like a reasonable explanation for me. I thought tonight's episode was pretty solid, especially compared to last week's, but some plot directions seems like a confusing use of screen time and/or exposition.

Specifically everything between Burt and Irving and everything with Dylan. Was that really a face turn from Outtie Burt? And do we have any justification beyond some hints towards regrets he had about his non severed Lumon work?

And is milkshake on the verge of a face turn as well? I understand that the whole Lumon thing is very culty, but if that's the case then where are there actual devotees? Cobel, Milkshake, Burt and even Miss Huang are all going to become disillusioned with their CorpoCult overlords? Are there going to be any proper villains?

But next week is 75 minutes long so that's a ton of time for shit to go down.

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Leonhart4
03/14/25 8:36:43 AM
#248:


I don't think we're getting a Milchick face turn. He's just growing a spine. Heck, I'm skeptical we're getting a Cobel face turn. If Cold Harbor is bringing a dead person back to life, then we know she wants to bring her mom back. She may not be a diehard sycophant, but she still has a motive to work for them.

I'm also curious what Irving's role with the show will be going forward.

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Chaeix
03/14/25 3:00:27 PM
#249:


MartinFF7 posted...
Gonna need the finale to deliver because this is currently trending for the biggest season 1-to-2 drop for any show I've watched since fucking "Heroes" and I'm really not happy with that comparison. But man, maybe I got my hopes up for the penultimate ep more than I should have given the previous penultimate-finale duo.
I think s2 has been significantly more interesting than s1

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FFDragon
03/14/25 7:57:32 PM
#250:


Eat. Shit.

Also that end shot was fucking beautiful

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