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SeabassDebeste
02/05/25 11:39:47 AM
#51:


super exciting teaser there, can't wait - adding it to our calendar!

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wallmasterz
02/05/25 8:21:12 PM
#52:


Just over 24 hours to go and Im engrossed in a subreddit theory about pineapples

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Forceful_Dragon
02/05/25 8:39:24 PM
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Please try to enjoy each fact equally, and not show preference for any over the others.



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MartinFF7
02/05/25 11:10:48 PM
#54:


Forceful_Dragon posted...

That's 10 points off, you have 90 points remaining.
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SeabassDebeste
02/06/25 11:24:10 PM
#55:


definitely didn't expect a bottle episode

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WazzupGenius00
02/06/25 11:36:31 PM
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I swear every episode I have at least one moment where I'm yelling "kill Milchick right now" at the TV

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MartinFF7
02/06/25 11:55:28 PM
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I've said before that watching Severance is like being in a constant state of panic. And I stand by that.

Everytime you post this they increase the panic quotient by 10%

Episode 4 spoilers I'm sure I would've liked this more if it was episode 5, or if this and episode 3 were flipped or something, but man. I am never a fan when tv shows leave you on a massive cliffhanger like reintegration and then don't follow it up or address it whatsoever!!

and because it went unaddressed/Mark seemed like usual Mark S., and the innie images they were seeing, I kept thinking it was like some elaborate virtual reality setting like, the innies (and outtie Helly) being awoken in a virtual construct over the weekend (hence 2 day retreat), even though that runs counter to pretty much everything we've seen from Lumon so far (really no fantastical technology other than the severance tech itself), not to mention unsevered Milchick being there. And man. did this really just happen? is that the end of innie Irving? now agonizing another 6 days and 20 something hours to resolve both this episode and the previous!!
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wallmasterz
02/07/25 7:51:20 AM
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*mix of marked and unmarked spoilers for S2 episodes 3 and 4*

I totally agree with you Martin.

I strongly disliked the decision to ignore last weeks cliffhanger. In fact, the ending of episode 3 felt a bit rushed and abrupt in the first place, with Reghabi conveniently showing up right as Mark was trying his message passing idea, seemingly with no prior communication between the two(?). And if it had actually been five months on the outside, why now for Reghabi to find Mark?

The order of events also made the timing of Mark sleeping with Helena feel weird. It was weird for Mark to finally get confirmation his wife is alive then he initiates sex with Helly. It makes sense since Mark will gradually reintegrate I suppose

Cant find the exact quote but Alfred Hitchcock spoke of getting some details such as where a film was set out of the way early so the audience isnt distracted wondering. Its a bit extreme but Psycho literally opens with the city, date and even time as on-screen text despite those things having minimal bearing on the story. For me it wouldve been better storytelling to acknowledge the major ending last week, and at least allude to innie Mark seemingly being mostly unchanged for the time being

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MartinFF7
02/07/25 3:01:50 PM
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And if it had actually been five months on the outside, why now for Reghabi to find Mark?

I feel like episode 2 showed the "five months" thing was a lie? I know gauging the passage of time is a little iffy but I'm still assuming it's only been like, a week from the S1 finale through episode 3. Timeline would be S1 finale was a Friday, Mark decides to stay at Lumon following the weekend and is with the new team Monday-Tuesday (I think it was just two full days?), gets booted Wednesday, whole team reassembled Thursday, episode 3 Friday. Episode 4 over next weekend I guess. Though I might be taking what we saw a bit too literally, yeah...

It is a little convenient that Reghabi was there in that moment and I don't like that wasn't explained. I guess the implication is she was keeping tabs on him somehow, if she has a tracker on his car and saw he was parked in middle of nowhere she could've turned up. We still don't know if she's running solo or is part of like, some broader group? that could do stuff like surveillance?

Anyhow, unrelated to the above but (more ep 4 spoilers) still trying to make sense of what happened in ep 4 (assuming it wasn't reality) and it reminded me of something and I went back to 1x07 to check and sure enough, these are the settings under Admin Mode in the control room that we saw:

Freeze Frame
Glasgow
Goldfish
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Overtime

so the mystery of "Glasgow" is resolved now, as being the setting to prevent the severance switch-over from occurring. I always assumed Freeze Frame, Goldfish and Lullaby to be taken literally (pause, forget, sleep), but then Open House would be a question mark on what that could represent. And of course there could be admin settings before Freeze or after Overtime and one of those settings could have helped bring about... whatever the hell happened in episode 4 if it wasn't in reality. Except it all seemed pretty real. Damn it all!!!

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WazzupGenius00
02/07/25 3:19:52 PM
#60:


Episode 2 definitely proved that everything the innies were told in episode 1 about what happened was a lie

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Leonhart4
02/07/25 3:22:11 PM
#61:


I'd guess Reghabi has been keeping tabs on Mark and was waiting for an opportunity to speak with him again without the potential of Lumon catching them together

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Chaeix
02/07/25 3:33:52 PM
#62:


started watching yesterday and am now fully caught up because I have nothing else to do

interesting show, definitely overhyped a bit. I have lots of questions but the show just keeps demanding more and more questions be asked so Im not confident itll be able to close all of the loose ends its created

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wallmasterz
02/07/25 3:53:38 PM
#63:


Chaeix posted...
interesting show, definitely overhyped a bit. I have lots of questions but the show just keeps demanding more and more questions be asked so Im not confident itll be able to close all of the loose ends its created

I agree with these. With that said Im still slightly obsessed due to the premise, lore and mystery of it all scratching a very specific itch for me.

Good time to pick up the show. The wait between seasons 1 and 2 felt eternal

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Chaeix
02/07/25 4:02:57 PM
#64:


wallmasterz posted...
I agree with these. With that said Im still slightly obsessed due to the premise, lore and mystery of it all scratching a very specific itch for me.

Good time to pick up the show. The wait between seasons 1 and 2 felt eternal
if you havent seen it yet, Id highly recommend Yellowjackets. Very different show but the what the actual fuck is happening parts have a similar mysterious vibe. S3 comes out next week I think?

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LightningStrikes
02/07/25 4:31:38 PM
#65:


I knew this would be a major episode when the previously on started showing nearly every single mystery.

The elevator ding played when they removed the block from Helly.

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FFDragon
02/07/25 7:09:41 PM
#66:


RIP to a legend

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Chaeix
02/07/25 7:18:36 PM
#67:


*speculation, so if you don't want to discuss foreshadowing, don't look* I doubt that this is the last we see of Irving. Even though we haven't seen him yet this season really, Christopher Walken is still listed in the opening credits. Burt G gonna come in somewhere be a G

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Leonhart4
02/07/25 7:31:27 PM
#68:


Yeah, I'd be surprised if Irving is out for good at this point. There are a lot of unresolved mysteries about who his outie is, so at the very least, that version will probably stick around and the innie will return at some point if so.

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MartinFF7
02/07/25 8:07:57 PM
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agree on speculation comment: keeping in mind we still have the cryptic "my innie got the message" voicemail he left for someone (from a payphone, not his own personal landline or cell phone), AND Burt rolling up in his car watching him leave that message; we still don't know what happened with Irving and Burt after the overtime was switched off; and Irving seeming to be tracking current & former Lumon employees per last year's finale? not to mention his outie's knowledge (subconscious or otherwise) of the "exports hall". Outie Irving would be the prime contact for Reintegrated Mark.
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wallmasterz
02/07/25 8:20:05 PM
#70:


100% agree that Irving will be around in outie form

I read that John Turturro hated the fluorescent lights on set in Lumon and they gave him headaches

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FFDragon
02/07/25 8:42:00 PM
#71:


Oh yeah definitely going to get some ReMark + OIrving team ups, going to slap

I'm also super happy that they didn't try to do some double swerve nonsense with Helena. Even knowing it was coming, it was a great sequence.

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HanOfTheNekos
02/08/25 1:28:26 AM
#72:


Chaeix posted...
if you havent seen it yet, Id highly recommend Yellowjackets. Very different show but the what the actual fuck is happening parts have a similar mysterious vibe. S3 comes out next week I think?

I will anti-recommend Yellowjackets. S1 was very good, but the drop in quality from S1 to S2 is so gargantuan that it's frankly not worth the investment.

S1 was one of my favorite shows of the year when I watched it.
S2 killed all interest in watching S3.

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HanOfTheNekos
02/08/25 1:31:39 AM
#73:


Also, these are mostly Scar's predictions, but I feel like sharing:

Cold Harbor, I think Cobal said Mark was getting close to? I was saying Cold Harbor seems like the endgame of an innie - which Scar was saying seems to be the Innie taking over entirely. Milchick and Cobal both act and speak like Innies - an Innie who takes over permanently is a permanent worker.

might be that Irv's outie discovered that Burt was, actually, his Innie. At the least, Burt is clearly still clued in.

Gah this show is good

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FFDragon
02/08/25 2:22:18 AM
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This is all my pure speculation but I was thinking Cold Harbor was trying to stuff Gemma's personality back into her body. That flash at the end of Ep1 looked strangely like brain waves and we know that the numbers are intuited based on how they make you feel and placed into emotion boxes.

What if Gemma was pulled from the crash brain dead, but severing her into Ms Casey allowed her to have an innie life? And that's why she seemed strangely devoid of emotions and so scared to go down the elevator and be "turned off" back to her vegetative state? And that's why Mark is so important, because who would be more in tune with her personality than her husband, even if he isn't conscious about it?

Then of course you could ask questions about why Lumon would want this technology and what Eagan they want to revive but I digress...

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FFDragon
02/08/25 2:26:30 AM
#75:


Also I'm still hyped for Yellowjackets to come back. S2 was definitely a dip, but it still has some moments mixed in with some baffling choices. If S3 doesn't hook me in the first few eps I'll change my tune though. S1 is a masterclass though.

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wallmasterz
02/08/25 6:00:45 AM
#76:


my series speculation

Gemma looked ominous in the final shot of the season 2 premiere. I think it was that episode at least,

I wonder if Cold Harbor will involve putting someone elses consciousness in a more suitable body or perhaps recreating them to Kiers ideal (with the four tempers tamed)

Im guessing the end goal will involve reviving Kier

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WazzupGenius00
02/08/25 7:45:55 AM
#77:


It seems most likely to be some method of bringing people back from the dead. Cobel had that medical bracelet and breathing apparatus for a Charlotte Cobel (presumably her mother since the birthdate on the bracelet says 1944) in her shrine to Keir so I assume thats someone she wanted to bring back

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wallmasterz
02/08/25 9:16:20 AM
#78:


WazzupGenius00 posted...
It seems most likely to be some method of bringing people back from the dead. Cobel had that medical bracelet and breathing apparatus for a Charlotte Cobel (presumably her mother since the birthdate on the bracelet says 1944) in her shrine to Keir so I assume thats someone she wanted to bring back

Yeah you may be onto something there

And with Lumon being a biotech company, I cant imagine a grander ambition related to health care other than bringing back people from the dead (other than preventing it entirely)

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Chaeix
02/08/25 1:20:48 PM
#79:


wallmasterz posted...
Yeah you may be onto something there

And with Lumon being a biotech company, I cant imagine a grander ambition related to health care other than bringing back people from the dead (other than preventing it entirely)
I think it definitely has something to do with that but also possibly cloning as a piece of it. I went back and doublechecked this - when Helly and Mark are showing their bellies to Gwendolyn Christie's goat herder, it doesn't look like Helly has a belly button? They make a point to show Mark's, but it doesn't even look like there might be one tucked under Helly's waistband.

edit: whoops tried to spoiler tag like in disc

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Chaeix
02/08/25 1:24:19 PM
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timestamp for that is s2ep3 @ ~31:49 btw

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HanOfTheNekos
02/08/25 7:41:07 PM
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That was a throwback to the jokes that there were rumors about MDR having pouches, I thought.

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Chaeix
02/08/25 7:46:32 PM
#82:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
That was a throwback to the jokes that there were rumors about MDR having pouches, I thought.
It was, but also Helly had no visible belly button.

I could easily (EASILY) be wrong and her waistband is just high enough to cover it, but idk it really stood out to me

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Chaeix
02/08/25 7:47:20 PM
#83:


I am unsure why my spoiler tag broke itself up into so many segments. Thanks gfaqs

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Leonhart4
02/08/25 7:51:54 PM
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If you use italics, it breaks up the spoiler tag, for whatever the reason

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HanOfTheNekos
02/08/25 7:52:37 PM
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I think it was just a high waistband

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Chaeix
02/08/25 8:38:33 PM
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I am probably wrong but I will be happy if I turn out to be right!

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FFDragon
02/08/25 8:45:30 PM
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I'm also coming down on the side of them still being on the severed floor the whole episode somehow. I don't know exactly how, but it's the only thing that makes sense.

Forgetting the logistics of getting outies to agree to it, Milkshake told them to remove the Glasgow Block from Helena, not to turn on the Overtime Protocol, if they were truly outside.

Plus a giant part of Petey's map from s1 was a "team building" section.

And they didn't really seem to be affected by the cold. And the TV appearing from nowhere and working without being plugged in. And Irv being in the middle of the lake with no footprint trail out there.

I'm fairly certain it's some sort of trick or vr or simulation or something.

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Leonhart4
02/08/25 8:49:16 PM
#88:


FFDragon posted...
I'm also coming down on the side of them still being on the severed floor the whole episode somehow. I don't know exactly how, but it's the only thing that makes sense.

Well, they've got an entire area for raising livestock, so who knows what else they've got down there.

And they didn't really seem to be affected by the cold. And the TV appearing from nowhere and working without being plugged in. And Irv being in the middle of the lake with no footprint trail out there.

I'm fairly certain it's some sort of trick or vr or simulation or something.

Yeah, my wife was confused about the TV thing, too. Also Irv slept outside all night and was totally fine despite saying he nearly froze to death, which struck me as odd, so you might be onto something.

Although the episode seemingly ends with his innie being "turned off," but I guess we'll have to wait until the next episode(s) to see how that plays out.

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MartinFF7
02/08/25 9:24:41 PM
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I've been assuming the endgoal of Lumon is consciousness transference via severance tech and thereby being able to live forever by taking over bodies though that's almost solely based on the conversation Helly had with her (outie's) father in the bathroom when he used the word "revolving". Also assuming they're still working on this/possibly related to Cold Harbor and the urgency being Helly's father seems pretty old...

FFDragon posted...
Forgetting the logistics of getting outies to agree to it, Milkshake told them to remove the Glasgow Block from Helena, not to turn on the Overtime Protocol, if they were truly outside.

Oh shit, good catch. Yeah way too much shit going on for me to believe it was real!!! and while I had started off assuming it was an Irving-only experience, there's no way to deny it was a shared group experience.

Maybe it was the "Lullaby" setting? somehow a shared dream experience or something... though Irving also had a dream without a dream then, lol...
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WazzupGenius00
02/08/25 10:35:53 PM
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I don't think it was mental/virtual. If that park or preserve or whatever is owned by Lumon then they can probably set up Severance technology there too. That does still leave the question of the TV and Irv not dying out there, though, don't really have good answers for that.

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Chaeix
02/08/25 10:45:12 PM
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FFDragon posted...
I'm also coming down on the side of them still being on the severed floor the whole episode somehow. I don't know exactly how, but it's the only thing that makes sense.

Forgetting the logistics of getting outies to agree to it, Milkshake told them to remove the Glasgow Block from Helena, not to turn on the Overtime Protocol, if they were truly outside.

Plus a giant part of Petey's map from s1 was a "team building" section.

And they didn't really seem to be affected by the cold. And the TV appearing from nowhere and working without being plugged in. And Irv being in the middle of the lake with no footprint trail out there.

I'm fairly certain it's some sort of trick or vr or simulation or something.
don't forget the 'literally can't be real' janky versions of each of them that pointed in various directions


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WazzupGenius00
02/08/25 10:56:49 PM
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Oh thats also true. But if it wasnt real, then why would Helena and Milchick even care about her getting drowned

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LeonhartFour
02/08/25 11:00:41 PM
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It could be one of those situations where if you die in here, you die for real because your brain thinks you're dead or something

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MartinFF7
02/09/25 12:30:49 AM
#95:


FFD selling was what made me watch the show so we can be teleskimovision brothers

It is really very good, though I'm not sure if it'd fit with what you like, but I also introduced it to my parents and they were hooked too (and their usual t.v. fare is reality tv and network cop/detective procedurals). The first season just felt so different from anything else, really just such a unique experience which the second season is really continuing.

But yeah depending how many more seasons this runs you're looking at many years before it finishes. Almost 3 year break between seasons which they can blame on the writer's strike but that's still way too long. So depending how many more seasons they run it for & what the waits between seasons it'll be a while before it's all done...
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SeabassDebeste
02/09/25 12:31:45 AM
#96:


if it's not real at all then i'd expect milchick to be able to teleport tho

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Forceful_Dragon
02/09/25 12:50:42 AM
#97:


MartinFF7 posted...
But yeah depending how many more seasons this runs you're looking at many years before it finishes. Almost 3 year break between seasons which they can blame on the writer's strike but that's still way too long. So depending how many more seasons they run it for & what the waits between seasons it'll be a while before it's all done...

It sounds like the writers are already working on season 3, so it will probably not take a long.

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wallmasterz
02/09/25 2:38:12 AM
#98:


UltimaterializerX posted...
FFDs biggest selling point during our date tonight was telling me to watch this show. Is it really that good?

I dont want to do another Game of Thrones and invest in something before it finishes, for obvious reasons. So like, how good are we talking here.

Its really good but not as fantastic as the first four seasons of GoT imo. But the creator of Severance has the whole story mapped out so we should not be looking at a GoT, Beinoff/Weiss situation =)

It is not everyones speed but if you like it youll probably love it. For that reason its worth checking out.

The benefit of taking the plunge and investing before it finishes is getting to discuss the show with others, which is a lot of fun

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YoBlazer
02/09/25 1:28:42 PM
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I've been texting thoughts and theories with a friend, and she said there are whirling reddit debates (Episode 4) as to whether what Helena did to Mark S constitutes rape.

I mean, of course there WOULD be reddit debates about such a thing, but I'd like to know what you guys think. It's obviously a fucked up thing to do, but I wouldn't go so far as to use that word.

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FFDragon
02/09/25 1:31:49 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_deception

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