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cousinvini
01/06/25 7:34:19 PM
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/06/climate-crisis-wreaking-havoc-on-earths-water-cycle-report-finds?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

The climate crisis is wreaking havoc on the planets water cycle, with ferocious floods and crippling droughts affecting billions of people, a report has found.

Water is peoples most vital natural resource but global heating is changing the way water moves around the Earth. The analysis of water disasters in 2024, which was the hottest year on record, found they had killed at least 8,700 people, driven 40 million from their homes and caused economic damage of more than $550bn (445bn).

Rising temperatures, caused by continued burning of fossil fuels, disrupt the water cycle in multiple ways. Warmer air can hold more water vapour, leading to more intense downpours. Warmer seas provide more energy to hurricanes and typhoons, supercharging their destructive power. Global heating can also increase drought by causing more evaporation from soil, as well as shifting rainfall patterns.

You may think 2023 and 2024 were bad being the warmest years on record, but it is gonna get worse!

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Tyranthraxus
01/06/25 7:37:42 PM
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Ryangrad
01/06/25 7:37:52 PM
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It can almost always get worse. In so many situations, people refuse to acknowledge that things can easily get much worse.

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Darker_Cheshire
01/06/25 7:38:19 PM
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Human extinction is but a small price to pay for marginal growth in profits!

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Heineken14
01/06/25 8:31:36 PM
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It tickles me in a schadenfreude sort of way that the people who are most concerned about immigration are also the ones least worried about climate change. Just the complete lack of critical and long term thinking from these dumb dumbs.

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RchHomieQuanChi
01/06/25 8:34:21 PM
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I can only hope that once this version of Earth is discontinued, we do a better job of winning at Earth-2

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RchHomieQuanChi
01/06/25 8:35:34 PM
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Heineken14 posted...
It tickles me in a schadenfreude sort of way that the people who are most concerned about immigration are also the ones least worried about climate change. Just the complete lack of critical and long term thinking from these dumb dumbs.

They haven't thought about the problem deeper than the fact that brown people who speak "weird" languages make them uncomfortable

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thronedfire2
01/06/25 8:36:33 PM
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Heineken14 posted...
It tickles me in a schadenfreude sort of way that the people who are most concerned about immigration are also the ones least worried about climate change. Just the complete lack of critical and long term thinking from these dumb dumbs.

they'll start to care once all the refugees who are fleeing nations because they don't have access to clean drinking water are flooding their borders

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2001mark
01/06/25 8:38:44 PM
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Florida coastal hotels are sinking, reported last week.
Snow bombs here Ontario cuz Great Lakes are warmer; less ice also more water for snow fuel - or rains.
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R_Jackal
01/06/25 8:40:41 PM
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The complete incapability of people to accept reality will never not be amusing to me, even while we're all boiling to death.
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Baron_Ox
01/06/25 8:43:43 PM
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I know that some countries are attempting to "decarbonize", but with Trump coming back into office, I could see this getting even worse.

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Metal_Gear_Raxis
01/06/25 8:48:38 PM
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Hey, look on the bright side, guys.

Musk is only 53, Bezos is 60, and Zuckerberg is a sprightly 40 years old. My greatest fear with the inexorable climate collapse was that all the rich fucks who got us there wouldn't live to see it :)

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02fran
01/08/25 1:40:45 PM
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Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
Hey, look on the bright side, guys.

Musk is only 53, Bezos is 60, and Zuckerberg is a sprightly 40 years old. My greatest fear with the inexorable climate collapse was that all the rich fucks who got us there wouldn't live to see it :)
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EndOfDiscOne
01/08/25 2:25:02 PM
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Darker_Cheshire posted...
Human extinction is but a small price to pay for marginal growth in profits!
That's easy to say, but the truth is we've all enjoyed the increase in quality of life brought on by fossil fuels

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Snip-N-Snails
01/10/25 12:21:24 AM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
That's easy to say, but the truth is we've all enjoyed the increase in quality of life brought on by fossil fuels

The problem is the rich don't want to look for other alternatives.

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SMT_Masochist
01/10/25 12:38:47 AM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
That's easy to say, but the truth is we've all enjoyed the increase in quality of life brought on by fossil fuels

This is the truth. For all the negative posters...do you guys have electric cars or stoves? Probably not.

The excuse for cars i see is: charging infrastructure and range anxiety. It will always be uncomfortable to change the way we have been living and most people will avoid discomfort even if the entire world burns around them.

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M1Astray
01/10/25 1:00:15 AM
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Snip-N-Snails posted...
The problem is the rich don't want to look for other alternatives.

Oh no, at this point it's in no small part because there is no longer a viable solution to climate change.

There are so many issues that I suspect unless a person has gone down the rabbit-holes I went down over Christmas they have no idea how bad things actually are.

The world doesn't have the ability to electrify international shipping. Nor industrial emissions for a great many building blocks of society. The world possibly doesn't even have enough resources to actually electrify everything either.

Then there's the issue that the climate is at the point where the emissions from electrifying everything alone will push us over "GG get fucking rekt human civilization" levels (we're past 1.5C of warming and headed towards cementing 1.6 this year. If we're lucky that's all that'll happen, if we're unlucky we're hitting 1.7C+ by the end of the year). Even if the willpower was there.

Oh but I'm not even done with the doom we're facing as a species! Meat. I'm not a saint nor helping, I still eat meat for my nutritional benefit (if cutting it out entirely would make a difference it'd be gone already, as that's not the case I'm choosing to emulate the diets we humans had before we created all out synthetic bullshit to maximise my health instead), but I'm not blind to the greater issues.

The AG industry for meat production is another area that will push us over the edge. That needs to literally be eliminated entirely and right now. But good luck getting anyone to agree to that, especially when those of us who actually agree with that are aware that that one change on its own won't prevent what's coming in the next two decades (it might buy us another decade or two if we simply ceased meat production globally tomorrow and returned all the land used for it to nature with robust plantation schemes but that's all it'd do on its own).

There's one final dark reality. We might have already tipped every single "doomsday" feedback loop making absolutely nothing we do from this point on matter beyond buying a few extra years.

There's a lot of very noisy oligarchs running around (your Musks, Zuchs, ect) who live in delusional reality thinking they can weather what's coming (and that what's coming is still 40+ years away meaning they only have to "weather" a decade or two in their lavish bunkers at most).

But there's a lot of incredibly smart billionaires around as well. The reason they aren't pushing the necessary levers to start moving Earth away from collapse is simple. Collapse is now locked in regardless and they know it. There are only two ways to avert the climate apocalypse (which is very likely to begin within fifteen years and conclude with our extinction within twenty years): either all of humanity goes back to agrarian living and gives up absolutely all modernity right this instance, or humanity has a die-off leaving less than 10% of the total population alive.

Those are now the only two viable solutions, needless to say for a myriad of reasons including greed and delusion nobody is going to explore them.

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Necronmon
01/10/25 1:14:07 AM
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There are only two ways to avert the climate apocalypse (which is very likely to begin within fifteen years and conclude with our extinction within twenty years): either all of humanity goes back to agrarian living and gives up absolutely all modernity right this instance, or humanity has a die-off leaving less than 10% of the total population alive.

Some might attempt a " option three" and wipe out a chunk of humanity so they can't pollute anymore and say its the lesser evil.
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M1Astray
01/10/25 1:17:37 AM
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Necronmon posted...
Some might attempt a " option three" and wipe out a chunk of humanity so they can't pollute anymore and say its the lesser evil.

The nations they'd consider doing that to (India and China) have nukes so yeah, not happening.

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WingsOfGood
01/10/25 1:18:54 AM
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Darker_Cheshire posted...
Human extinction is but a small price to pay for marginal growth in profits!

The Economy!
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Snip-N-Snails
01/10/25 6:19:31 AM
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M1Astray posted...
Oh no, at this point it's in no small part because there is no longer a viable solution to climate change.

There are so many issues that I suspect unless a person has gone down the rabbit-holes I went down over Christmas they have no idea how bad things actually are.

The world doesn't have the ability to electrify international shipping. Nor industrial emissions for a great many building blocks of society. The world possibly doesn't even have enough resources to actually electrify everything either.

Then there's the issue that the climate is at the point where the emissions from electrifying everything alone will push us over "GG get fucking rekt human civilization" levels (we're past 1.5C of warming and headed towards cementing 1.6 this year. If we're lucky that's all that'll happen, if we're unlucky we're hitting 1.7C+ by the end of the year). Even if the willpower was there.

Oh but I'm not even done with the doom we're facing as a species! Meat. I'm not a saint nor helping, I still eat meat for my nutritional benefit (if cutting it out entirely would make a difference it'd be gone already, as that's not the case I'm choosing to emulate the diets we humans had before we created all out synthetic bullshit to maximise my health instead), but I'm not blind to the greater issues.

The AG industry for meat production is another area that will push us over the edge. That needs to literally be eliminated entirely and right now. But good luck getting anyone to agree to that, especially when those of us who actually agree with that are aware that that one change on its own won't prevent what's coming in the next two decades (it might buy us another decade or two if we simply ceased meat production globally tomorrow and returned all the land used for it to nature with robust plantation schemes but that's all it'd do on its own).

There's one final dark reality. We might have already tipped every single "doomsday" feedback loop making absolutely nothing we do from this point on matter beyond buying a few extra years.

There's a lot of very noisy oligarchs running around (your Musks, Zuchs, ect) who live in delusional reality thinking they can weather what's coming (and that what's coming is still 40+ years away meaning they only have to "weather" a decade or two in their lavish bunkers at most).

But there's a lot of incredibly smart billionaires around as well. The reason they aren't pushing the necessary levers to start moving Earth away from collapse is simple. Collapse is now locked in regardless and they know it. There are only two ways to avert the climate apocalypse (which is very likely to begin within fifteen years and conclude with our extinction within twenty years): either all of humanity goes back to agrarian living and gives up absolutely all modernity right this instance, or humanity has a die-off leaving less than 10% of the total population alive.

Those are now the only two viable solutions, needless to say for a myriad of reasons including greed and delusion nobody is going to explore them.

Those are still solutions and I don't want to be a doomer or accelerationist.

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orangefire25
01/10/25 7:06:53 AM
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If we had doubled or tripled down on nuclear globally decades ago we'd probably be aight

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reincarnator07
01/10/25 7:24:42 AM
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SMT_Masochist posted...
This is the truth. For all the negative posters...do you guys have electric cars or stoves? Probably not.

The excuse for cars i see is: charging infrastructure and range anxiety. It will always be uncomfortable to change the way we have been living and most people will avoid discomfort even if the entire world burns around them.
By stoves, do you mean mains heating?

I have something even better than an electric car: No car. There's a shit ton of people that would 100% take alternate forms of transportation if they 1) existed and 2) were as convenient as driving. Much of America is perfect for trains and trams, it would just take redirecting some of the money used to subsidise car dependency and taking a look at zoning laws. Would also have the benefit of actually being sustainable for cities and reducing traffic for those that still choose or need to drive.

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uwnim
01/10/25 7:26:57 AM
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Darker_Cheshire posted...
Human extinction is but a small price to pay for marginal growth in profits!
Human extinction results in growth trending negative which is bad for stock prices.

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Rika_Furude
01/10/25 7:35:35 AM
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uwnim posted...
Human extinction results in growth trending negative which is bad for stock prices.
Thats a problem for next quarter. We need to maximise profits this quarter in time for our shareholder review
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rexcrk
01/10/25 7:37:59 AM
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Yeah, climate change sucks, but did you even take a second to think of how preventing might negatively affect the billionaires??


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Nukazie
01/10/25 7:41:24 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
The Economy!


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kirbymuncher
01/10/25 8:15:16 AM
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SMT_Masochist posted...
This is the truth. For all the negative posters...do you guys have electric cars or stoves? Probably not.
electric stove, no car. on the contrary, do people actually still have non-electric stoves anymore? that's like bad ancient technology lol

that said depending on where you live a lot of your electricity might come from fossil fuels anyway

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Monopoman
01/10/25 8:16:18 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E0a_60PMR8

This is how fucking stupid the climate deniers are, apparently if in winter snow can still fall it means that climate change is not happening.

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Tom_Joad
01/10/25 8:24:21 AM
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M1Astray posted...
Oh no, at this point it's in no small part because there is no longer a viable solution to climate change.

There are so many issues that I suspect unless a person has gone down the rabbit-holes I went down over Christmas they have no idea how bad things actually are.

The world doesn't have the ability to electrify international shipping. Nor industrial emissions for a great many building blocks of society. The world possibly doesn't even have enough resources to actually electrify everything either.

Then there's the issue that the climate is at the point where the emissions from electrifying everything alone will push us over "GG get fucking rekt human civilization" levels (we're past 1.5C of warming and headed towards cementing 1.6 this year. If we're lucky that's all that'll happen, if we're unlucky we're hitting 1.7C+ by the end of the year). Even if the willpower was there.

Oh but I'm not even done with the doom we're facing as a species! Meat. I'm not a saint nor helping, I still eat meat for my nutritional benefit (if cutting it out entirely would make a difference it'd be gone already, as that's not the case I'm choosing to emulate the diets we humans had before we created all out synthetic bullshit to maximise my health instead), but I'm not blind to the greater issues.

The AG industry for meat production is another area that will push us over the edge. That needs to literally be eliminated entirely and right now. But good luck getting anyone to agree to that, especially when those of us who actually agree with that are aware that that one change on its own won't prevent what's coming in the next two decades (it might buy us another decade or two if we simply ceased meat production globally tomorrow and returned all the land used for it to nature with robust plantation schemes but that's all it'd do on its own).

There's one final dark reality. We might have already tipped every single "doomsday" feedback loop making absolutely nothing we do from this point on matter beyond buying a few extra years.

There's a lot of very noisy oligarchs running around (your Musks, Zuchs, ect) who live in delusional reality thinking they can weather what's coming (and that what's coming is still 40+ years away meaning they only have to "weather" a decade or two in their lavish bunkers at most).

But there's a lot of incredibly smart billionaires around as well. The reason they aren't pushing the necessary levers to start moving Earth away from collapse is simple. Collapse is now locked in regardless and they know it. There are only two ways to avert the climate apocalypse (which is very likely to begin within fifteen years and conclude with our extinction within twenty years): either all of humanity goes back to agrarian living and gives up absolutely all modernity right this instance, or humanity has a die-off leaving less than 10% of the total population alive.

Those are now the only two viable solutions, needless to say for a myriad of reasons including greed and delusion nobody is going to explore them.

You've succinctly summed up why humanity has to get off earth.

Build giant O'Neill cylinders in the Lagrange points from materials mined from the moon, Mars, and the Asteroid belt. Spread out over the Solar System.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Neill_cylinder

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MisterPengy
01/10/25 10:37:22 AM
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Tom_Joad posted...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Neill_cylinder

Cool concept, but how do you get enough oxygen in there? Even filling it up with water and dirt (for plant life) would be a massive ordeal.

Plus, haven't recent studies shown living in space is severely harmful to our bodies?

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Tom_Joad
01/10/25 12:23:35 PM
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MisterPengy posted...
Cool concept, but how do you get enough oxygen in there? Even filling it up with water and dirt (for plant life) would be a massive ordeal.

Plus, haven't recent studies shown living in space is severely harmful to our bodies?

The volume of air in the cylinder is supposed to be sufficient to deal with even cosmic rays. And the effects of space are due to the lack of gravity and radiation. Both of which are addressed in the cylinder.

As for filling it, just use a carbonaceous asteriod for the water and oxygen. Nitrogen, if not from earth, can be easily "vacuumed" up from the atmosphere of Venus, or from nitrates in the soil of Mars.

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archizzy
01/10/25 12:59:18 PM
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kirbymuncher posted...
electric stove, no car. on the contrary, do people actually still have non-electric stoves anymore? that's like bad ancient technology lol

that said depending on where you live a lot of your electricity might come from fossil fuels anyway

Gas stoves are still very common and often preferred. Gas heats up faster. Can control heat easier with a steady flame vs burners that cycle. Also easy to visually see the flame and adjust heat. Once you shut a gas stove off it is immediately off and not still cooking your food.

The heavy duty grates can accommodate heavier stuff vs an electric that say has sealed burners/glass cooktop. In a power outage depending on the kind you have if you can light the burner manually you can still cook. There are a myriad of reasons why people prefer gas stoves. They are still perfectly viable for a kitchen and in no way is it outdated bad technology.

Your other point is spot on though. Doesnt really matter if your house is all electric if the utility is using fossil fuels to supply that electricity. As someone who works at a power plant making electricity (and steam for heating/cooling) it is surprising the amount of people who dont even think of this.


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02fran
01/11/25 8:19:36 PM
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Awareness bump
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